[02:13] <akgraner> woo hoo back home from SELF
[02:14] <akgraner> and if all goes well - I'll have my shoulder fixed on Thursday :-)
[02:35] <nigelb> akgraner: yay :)
[02:36] <akgraner> nigelb, :-)
[02:36] <nigelb> akgraner: how was SELF? I take it you had a great time  :)
[02:37] <akgraner> I did but I got really sicl
[02:37] <akgraner> sick
[02:37] <nigelb> oh, aw
[02:38] <akgraner> I think exhaustion got the better of me  :-/  until I saw jono's tweet about food poisoning now I wonder
[02:39] <nigelb> oh, ouch, food poisoning isn't fun :/
[02:41] <akgraner> nigelb, just sent you an email
[02:43]  * nigelb cheks
[02:44] <nigelb> akgraner: thank you!
[02:44] <nigelb> haha, the crown looks pretty :)
[02:44] <akgraner> :-)
[02:45] <akgraner> yeah  - for Jono's Keynote  - the SELF President - said and. "and now her Majesty, Amber Graner will introduce our Keynote Speaker"
[02:45] <nigelb> hahaha
[02:45] <akgraner> it was hilarious - I introduced Jono and JFo stood up too
[02:45] <nigelb> LOL
[02:46] <akgraner> JFO was wearing a shirt that had bacon on it with a name tag that said "hello my name is Kevin"
[02:46] <akgraner> and he crossed out Kevin and wrote Jono
[02:46] <akgraner> it was pretty funny
[02:46] <nigelb> I now get a hang of how awsome JFO is :)
[08:01] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:06] <nigelbabu> dpm: morning :)
[08:06] <nigelbabu> dpm: there is a bug I want your help with
[08:07] <dpm> hey nigelbabu :)
[08:07] <dpm> sure, shoot
[08:07] <nigelbabu> dpm: remember that ekiga desktop entries bug? since ekiga is no longer in main (at least for lucid that I know of), closing the bug as invalid is fine right?
[08:10] <jussi> !info ekiga
[08:10] <ubot2> jussi: ekiga (source: ekiga): H.323 and SIP compatible VoIP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.6-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 1828 kB, installed size 16240 kB
[08:10]  * nigelbabu hugs jussi :)
[08:10] <nigelbabu> thank you :)
[08:10] <jussi> :)
[08:13] <dpm> nigelbabu, yeah, I think it should be fine. I cannot really remember the bug, though, what was it exactly?. Ekiga is a GNOME app, so the .desktop files should be translatable along with the application's translations
[08:13] <nigelbabu> dpm: but launchpad translations is only for main applications right?
[08:14] <nigelbabu> anyway, lemme get you the bug number
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <dpm> nigelbabu, yeah, yeah, that's right.
[08:14] <dpm> heya dholbach!
[08:14] <dholbach> hiya dpm
[08:14] <nigelbabu> morning dholbach :)
[08:15] <nigelbabu> dpm: bug 415055
[08:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 415055 in scim (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Translations should be stripped from the .desktop file (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415055
[08:15] <dholbach> niya nigelbabu
[08:16] <dpm> nigelbabu, ah, yeah, that one. Yes, I think it can be closed as Invalid for Ekiga as we've said
[08:16] <nigelbabu> dpm: awesome, thanks.  I was pretty sure it could, but I wanted to check with the translations overload :D
[08:16] <nigelbabu> *Overlord
[08:18] <dpm> hahaha :)
[08:18] <dpm> did you watch the match last night dholbach?
[08:18] <dholbach> dpm: of course I did
[08:18] <dholbach> dpm: afraid?
[08:19] <dholbach> :-)
[08:19] <dpm> hahaha
[08:19]  * jussi cries a little...
[08:27] <nigelbabu> haha, I <3 the match
[08:27] <nigelbabu> nice to see aussies getting kicked :)
[08:27]  * nigelbabu runs from jussi
[08:30] <jussi> /abrn nigelbabu NEVER UNBAN!
[08:30] <jussi> :P
[08:30] <nigelbabu> lol
[09:08] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:16] <nigelbabu> morning czajkowski :)
[09:17] <czajkowski> nigelbabu: good weekend ?
[09:17] <nigelbabu> czajkowski: oh yes :) caught up some lost sleep and some pending reading :)
[09:18] <nigelbabu> And, amber managed to woo me into writing for uwn :)
[09:19] <czajkowski> hahah she has mystical magical ways
[09:20] <czajkowski> dholbach: how did your talks go ?
[10:36] <dholbach> hey czajkowski - good, thanks :)
[10:36] <dholbach> was still a bit hectic
[10:36] <dholbach> how was your WE?
[11:51] <randa_> hi dholbach como estas
[11:52] <dholbach> hola randa_! muy bien - gracias :-)
[11:52] <dholbach> randa_: how 'bout you?
[11:53] <randa_> dholbach: good good, thanks
[11:54] <dholbach> great :)
[12:11] <doctormo> There are 4 main identifiable design problems with empathy for irc, I should start a company to fix them.
[12:11] <doctormo> Morning everyone
[12:22] <jussi> doctormo: LOL
[12:22] <jussi> and good morning
[12:30] <nigelbabu> doctormo: haha, good morning!
[12:31] <doctormo> What are you up to nigelbabu the mighty?
[12:32] <nigelbabu> doctormo: oh not much, world conquest, mind control and other stuff :D
[12:32] <doctormo> Spare some time for my own personal ventures please.
[12:33] <nigelbabu> hehe :)
[12:41] <doctormo> nigelbabu and jussi: could you two please review this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2rrvxf
[12:42] <nigelbabu> doctormo: <3 the cartoon :)
[12:42] <nigelbabu> doctormo: Its *beautiful*
[12:42] <nigelbabu> reminds me of the japanese cartoons like pokemon :)
[12:43] <doctormo> nigelbabu: Risa Judge © Arturo Silva, 2009, CC-BY-SA
[12:43] <nigelbabu> Also, get rid of the font you wrote the text in please? Its too formal to go with the playful poster
[12:43] <nigelbabu> ahhh!
[12:43] <doctormo> nigelbabu: It was my idea, but it's not my drawing :-)
[12:43] <nigelbabu> haha, It looks awesome except for the font in which you wrote the text
[12:44] <popey> doctormo: like your avatar there
[12:44] <doctormo> Do you think a Sans would be better?
[12:49] <nigelbabu> I *think* sans might be better
[12:49] <nigelbabu> but you're the artist here :)
[12:53] <doctormo> popey: It's animated... or it would be if I got round to it http://doctormo.deviantart.com/favourites/#/d2pnfny
[12:56] <doctormo> I wonder if I could put the animated version as my headochi on planet ubuntu, or if that would just annoy people to have animations.
[12:59] <popey> hah
[13:00] <jussi> doctormo: it would anooy people... I guarantee you
[13:00] <jussi> :P
[13:01] <doctormo> jussi: Sounds like a prediction waiting for an experiment.
[13:02] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu nothing there about it :)
[13:02] <nigelbabu> what, annoy people? this isn't debian :D
[13:09] <doctormo> OK, animated head pushed, I'll give it a week to see if there are complaints.
[13:10] <doctormo> If there are, I'll just point it back.
[13:12]  * popey files a complaint
[13:30] <AlanBell> doctormo: s/celibrated/celebrated/
[13:31] <doctormo> AlanBell: Thanks, what did I want to talk to you about... hang on
[13:32]  * AlanBell hides
[13:35] <doctormo> AlanBell: Ah right, were you involved with any recent Canonical announcements?
[13:37] <doctormo> AlanBell: Where is 'celibrated'? I looked in a few things I've written and I couldn't find it.
[13:40] <AlanBell> rules and permissions
[13:40] <AlanBell> attribution
[13:41] <AlanBell> I am involved in http://ubuntuinbusiness.eventbright.com
[13:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:06] <doctormo> popey: You might be interested in the three lions svg I posted at the weekend.
[14:07] <popey> I would be willing to bet I wouldn't be interested :)
[14:07] <popey> (assuming it's football related)
[14:08] <doctormo> popey: Not even for defacement, god your no fun.
[14:08] <doctormo> nigelbabu: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Free-Culture-Poster-167583075
[14:08] <popey> I hate football :)
[14:08] <doctormo> I made it all Sans and updated the FOSS icons to mono shapes.
[14:08] <nigelbabu> doctormo: still looks too formal :/
[14:08] <nigelbabu> but probably thats just me, popey what do you think re: ^?
[14:09] <doctormo> nigelbabu: And the icons?
[14:09] <nigelbabu> icons look okay :)
[14:10] <nigelbabu> but if you want, you can put that thing around it which usually denotes explosions to give it a bit of highlight
[14:10] <popey> full stop missing after OpenStreetMaps
[14:13] <doctormo> nigelbabu: You mean jagged lines that denote explosions?
[14:13] <nigelbabu> doctormo: yep
[14:13] <doctormo> I'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more spelling errors, It's usual that there are about 30 per 1,000 words.
[14:14] <nigelbabu> I *think* it might look good, but again, it might look really bad
[14:14] <doctormo> nigelbabu: Best way to check, send it to your social networks and see how they respond :-)
[14:14] <nigelbabu> put it up, I'll ask my design colleague how it looks
[14:16] <AlanBell> maybe it should be in comic sans :-o
[14:18] <doctormo> AlanBell: That's a specific kind of comment, either serious or sarcastic. Both worth discussing.
[14:19] <czajkowski> doctormo: did you get email off me last week ?
[14:19] <AlanBell> well I was responding to the "too formal" comments, which I kind of agree with. Not sure that Comic Sans is the solution, but maybe a funkier font of some sort.
[14:29] <qense> Lol, the whole country stopped working for the World Cup match that just ended. Almost no traffic at times. :P
[14:29] <qense> The morning rush hour traffic jams where 75% shorter than regular.
[14:32] <qense> Dozens of the people I'm following on Twitter are talking about it, even company accounts.
[14:34] <qense> This was our school 45 minutes before I left: <http://twitpic.com/1wpvy0>. T
[14:56] <nigelbabu> qense: wow
[14:57] <qense> nigelbabu: During matches I think it is almost possible to deduce the stance by opening your window and listen. :)
[14:57] <nigelbabu> haha
[14:58] <qense> nigelbabu: Is India actually participating, or do you just play cricket and rugby?
[14:58] <nigelbabu> qense: india is just hockey and cricket I suppose
[14:59] <qense> Ah, hockey. The Netherlands seems to be more successful with hockey than with football, but no one really notices. If I remember the news messages correctly then India always is one of the tougher opponents, right?
[15:19] <nigelbabu> qense: used to be, no longer now :/
[15:19] <qense> aww
[15:19] <nigelbabu> aussies are better at it
[15:19]  * nigelbabu scowls at jussi
[15:35] <dpm> thanks for forwarding my e-mail on Frisian translations, qense!
[15:35] <qense> dpm: You're most welcome. :)
[15:36] <qense> dpm: You should know that the guy is quite young, so I'm looking after him a bit.
[15:37] <dpm> oh, right, no worries. I haven't been much in touch with the Frisian team, let me know if you guys need any help
[15:37] <qense> dpm: We foremost need translators, but that's hard with a language community of about 1 million people and a lack of attention for the written language.
[15:37] <qense> dpm: But thank you for offering your help.
[15:38] <dpm> qense, do you use Frisian on your computer? Is it usable as it currently is?
[15:38] <dpm> (in terms of translation coverage, I mean)
[15:39] <qense> dpm: I don't use Frisian as I'm not a Frisian, just an inhabitant of the province that has learned a bit of the language from the people at school. I wouldn't call it really usable right now. Some major desktop elements are translated, some other major stuff is not. We are very happy with the fallback support. :)
[15:40] <qense> dpm: KDE is better translated. Mozilla has got an active Frisian team, but their work (naerly full translation, iirc) doesn't seem to be available in Ubuntu.
[15:41] <qense> dpm: There should be a small group working on Openoffice (dictionaries) as well, but I don't hear much fromt hem and there is nothing in the repositories either.
[15:44] <dpm> qense, oh, that's weird about Mozilla. Perhaps they've not achieved official status there and that's why their translations don't make it to Ubuntu. So you're using Dutch instead on your computer, or English?
[15:45] <dpm> thanks for the detailed explanation as well, these info about teams is always really useful
[15:45] <qense> dpm: Dutch, in order to not lose all contact with it. Plus, it makes writing stuff for school easier and sets all localisation correctly.
[15:45] <qense> dpm: Thank you for listening.
[15:46] <dpm> :)
[15:46] <qense> dpm: Again, I'm not a Frisian, I'm mostly import, like they say here.
[15:46] <dpm> :)
[15:49] <jcastro> man we are sucking on our work items!
[15:50] <jcastro> qense: when is that gnome open desktop day again?
[15:51] <qense> jcastro: Monday July 26th
[15:51] <jcastro> bah, I won't be there
[15:52] <jcastro> but jono will
[15:52] <qense> jcastro: We nearly got Neelie Kroes to speak, but she was busy already.
[15:52] <jcastro> let's ask him when he's around
[15:52] <jcastro> I don't get there until tuesday night
[15:52] <qense> Neelie Kroes also almost got to be the next prime-minister of the Netherlands, but she refused, saying she wasn't done in Brussels yet.
[15:52] <qense> jcastro: Alright, then ask Jono once he awakens.
[15:52] <jcastro> oh no wait, I don't think jono is going to guadec
[15:53] <qense> then who will be representing Canonical/Ubuntu to an increasingly eager government? A stammering teenager (me)?
[15:53] <qense> make that governments
[15:53] <jcastro> I don't know
[15:53] <qense> including national, provincial, municipal
[15:53] <jcastro> the thing is is that guadec started in the middle of the week
[15:54] <jcastro> so a bunch of people won't be getting there until tuesday
[15:54] <jcastro> oh no wait
[15:54] <qense> The planning could have been better indeed.
[15:54] <jcastro> jono told me on the phone he was coming
[15:54] <qense> Good news!
[15:54] <jcastro> but he's only coming for the first part, including monday
[15:54]  * czajkowski wishes she was going to GUADEC
[15:54] <jcastro> ok, let's ambush him
[15:55] <qense> jcastro: OK. When he enters we both jump on him and don't let go until he answers all our questions!
[15:55] <qense> czajkowski: I wish you could come.
[15:55] <jcastro> yeah!
[15:55] <jcastro> I also with czajkowski could come!
[15:55] <qense> Her experience with the LoCos would probably be very valuable there.
[15:56] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you and I need to find a sugar daddy to send us to GUADEC ;-)
[15:57] <czajkowski> I'd actually planned on going till my old company cocked up my plans
[15:57] <qense> jcastro: I also gave Charline information about how to submit lightning talks because she said she was interested in telling something about usability testing. Do you know whether she is going to tell something?
[15:57] <jcastro> I don't know if she is or not
[15:57] <jcastro> I think mpt is going to submit another one though
[15:57] <jcastro> and his are really good
[15:58] <qense> Maybe we should coordinate all this, so everyone knows who else is coming. :)
[15:58] <qense> Could you check with the two of them?
[15:58] <qense> by the way, I'm adding the Canonical and OpenSuSE logos to the GUADEC frontpage just now.
[15:58] <qense> I hope I won't offend anyone with the ordering.
[15:59] <qense> :)
[16:00] <qense> and jono is online on twitter!
[16:15] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:15] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:16] <qense> Good morning jono.
[16:16] <jono> hey qense :)
[16:17] <qense> jono: As soon as you're done with rubbing the sleep from your eyes and reading your mail I think we and jcastro should have a talk about GUADEC. There are some things that we should discuss.
[16:17] <qense> Most important: the GNOME Open Desktop Day.
[16:17] <jono> qense, just coordinate with jcastro - I am a bit busy today
[16:17] <jono> he can feedback to me any requirements
[16:17] <qense> jono: He said we should talk with you.
[16:18] <qense> jono: But we can do it later this week, I suppose.
[16:18] <jcastro> qense: I'll just bring it up during the call, no worries
[16:18] <qense> ok
[16:19] <qense> That'll do it, probably.
[16:19] <qense> That'll probably do it.*
[16:19] <jcastro> qense: can you send me some prelim info now?
[16:19] <jcastro> like, time, place, etc?
[16:20] <qense> jcastro: Sure. By mail?
[16:20] <jcastro> sure
[16:21] <qense> will do!
[16:44] <dholbach> "The always awesome Nigel Baby" hahaha :)
[16:44]  * dholbach hugs nigelb
[16:46] <qense> dholbach: There is a discussion going on about the 11.10 UDS dates. They are currently overlapping with the Linux Tag, but some people say that it doesn't matter much. Do you agree? If not, maybe you should make yourselves heard. :)
[16:47] <dholbach> qense: I personally don't know how much it will change things
[16:47] <qense> there seem to be three overlapping days
[16:48] <dholbach> qense: I don't think I can add much to the discussion
[16:48] <qense> ok
[16:48] <dholbach> qense: I expect that only a few of us will be hard-core involved in making sure the images are all on the right mirrors, etc
[16:49] <qense> I just thought I should notify you since you seem to be very active at both conferences.
[16:51] <cjohnston> mornin
[16:52] <Pendulum> hiya cjohnston
[16:52] <qense> good morning to you, cjohnston
[16:52] <cjohnston> :-)
[17:01] <dholbach> jono: mumble mumble?
[17:01] <jono> dholbach, give me two mins, wrapping a convo with sark
[17:01] <dholbach> super
[17:02] <jono> dholbach, ok, just wrapped, just gonna grab my headphones - lets see how long I can go for without puking :)
[17:02]  * dholbach hugs jono
[17:02]  * jono hugs dholbach
[17:02] <popey> not too tightly!
[17:03] <jono> dholbach, damn, one sec, being pinged
[17:03]  * dholbach hugs popey too
[17:03] <czajkowski> jono: have the tea and toast and feel better
[17:04] <dholbach> isn't it coke and salt/pretzel sticks?
[17:04] <qense> I'd go for the tea and toast!
[17:04] <qense> Bananas are said to be good as well. :)
[17:05]  * dholbach might've confused the house remedies :)
[17:06] <czajkowski> tea toast smothered in peanutbutter
[17:06] <czajkowski> food of the doctor and nurses gods
[17:07] <dholbach> jono: just call whenever
[17:07] <dholbach> jono: I'll try not to run away
[17:10] <jono> dholbach, thanks, nearly done
[17:10] <jono> its all go this morning
[17:16] <jono_> dholbach, can you hear me?
[17:16] <dholbach> hello?
[17:16] <dholbach> HELLO? :)
[17:16] <dholbach> I can hear you typing
[17:17] <dholbach> hang on
[17:17] <jono_> :)
[17:44] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:44] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: busy on the old bugs :)
[17:53] <jcastro> :D
[18:04] <cjohnston> Pendulum: ping
[18:05] <Pendulum> cjohnston: what's up?
[18:05] <cjohnston> Have you gotten a chance to do any work on the template yet?
[18:06] <Pendulum> honestly, I was going to and then I got confused on whether I was supposed to talk to newz first or not?
[18:07] <cjohnston> nope...
[18:07] <Pendulum> okay, i'll get some stuff done on it today and tomorrow, then :)
[18:08] <cjohnston> Sweet.. thanks
[18:12] <cjohnston> jono_: for 'Testers' are you wanting ISO testers or something else.. CommunityContributePage
[18:13] <jono_> cjohnston, ISO testers mainly
[18:13] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks
[18:30] <jono> greg-g, hey dude, is the CC Severed Fifth thing on track for today?
[18:30] <jono> greg-g, also, did you see my Severed Fifth Fair Pay thing? http://www.severedfifth.com/pay/
[18:46] <jcastro> jono: we on in 15?
[18:48] <jono> jcastro, yep
[19:00] <jono> jcastro, mumble?
[19:01] <jcastro> yessir!
[19:01] <jcastro> I am ready
[19:01] <jcastro> jono: ^
[19:34] <jcastro> things that keep me up at night: http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/doctormo.gif
[19:35] <greg-g> :)
[19:53] <jcastro> highvoltage: around?
[20:15] <qense> I'm off, good bye everyone!
[20:42] <highvoltage> jcastro: yep
[20:42]  * highvoltage feels in trouble
[20:44] <jcastro> highvoltage: yeah, those horns you guys use.
[20:44] <jcastro> drove me insane
[20:44] <jcastro> that is all.
[20:44] <czajkowski> make them stop!!
[20:44] <czajkowski> all day on twitter!
[20:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: highvoltage evening :)
[20:44] <jcastro> heh
[20:46] <highvoltage> jcastro: heh, yeah the vuvuzelas are causing lots of trouble
[20:47] <jcastro> next UDS we should play them during the lightning talks
[20:47] <highvoltage> I'll bring mine along :)
[20:47] <czajkowski> or in any session to wake someone up
[20:49] <highvoltage> they're quite loud, might up ending waking people up in other sessions too :)
[20:53] <jussi> vuvuzelas are cool! :D
[22:33] <jono> Pendulum, highvoltage so whats the dealio on merging in the art of community into BuildingCommunity - did you folks make progress on Friday?
[22:39] <Pendulum> jono: how do you want the new pages named?
[22:39] <jono> Pendulum, I think you can just name them with a sensible title such as HandlingConflict or MeasuringCommunity or BuildingStrategy
[22:39] <jono> etc
[22:40] <Pendulum> okay, and stuck in the articles, blog entries, and multimedia section?
[22:41] <jono> Pendulum, I think each article should be linked in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/KnowledgeBase
[22:41] <jono> see how the others are named and listed there?
[22:41] <jono> most will be in the 'Guides / HOWTOs' section
[22:41] <Pendulum> okay, that's where I wasn't sure. Since technically we're pulling from a pre-existing book
[22:43] <jono> no worries
[22:43] <jono> just merge them into the rest
[22:44] <jono> just make sure every page which has content from the book has attribution at the top
[22:44] <jono> want to do one first and then have me review it Pendulum?
[22:45] <Pendulum> sure. i won't get it done tonight, but tomorrow, probably?
[22:49] <jono> Pendulum, sure