| === MenZa is now known as baconsnacks | ||
| === baconsnacks is now known as lhavelund | ||
| baptistemm | oops | 07:39 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:59 |
| didrocks | RAOF: hey, I still can't upgrade my xserver because of nvidia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449524/ any idea? | 08:01 |
| baptistemm | heya didrocks | 08:01 |
| didrocks | salut baptistemm, ça va ? | 08:03 |
| baptistemm | ouep | 08:03 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 08:14 |
| pitti | slomo: I tried vala-gen-introspect, but I didn't even get that to work; produces 0-byte output and crashes | 08:15 |
| pitti | vish: perhaps try poking cjwatson/slangasek? | 08:15 |
| pitti | vish: I'll try to have a look, but I can only spend very limited hours on SRUs this cycle | 08:15 |
| didrocks | good morning pitti | 08:17 |
| baptistemm | I packaged bluez 4.66 and obexd 0.27 for who concerned, but I guess I need james_w has to merge the code first | 08:18 |
| baptistemm | s/who/whom/ | 08:18 |
| james_w | hi baptistemm | 08:19 |
| james_w | any developer can do it, it doesn't have to be me | 08:19 |
| baptistemm | hi james_w, ah Okay, I thought you were managing that as the merge recipient is you | 08:20 |
| vish | pitti: oh , ok. they seemed a bit busy .. and you had already seen the branch when you approved the lucid task, so thought it might be easier for you.. i'll wait then :) | 08:21 |
| baptistemm | so anyone willing to, you can merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/obexd/main and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/bluez/main :) | 08:21 |
| seb128 | hey there | 09:07 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 09:11 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 09:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: tu as le bonjour de kinouchou et YoBoY :) | 09:12 |
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| seb128 | didrocks, ;-) | 09:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, c'était bien votre réunion ? | 09:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: boarf, comme d'hab, beaucoup de plan sur la comète… :) | 09:13 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: et sinon, toi bon week-end? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | oui, nickel | 09:16 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey | 09:19 |
| pitti | oh, mvo is on holiday all week | 09:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, right | 09:27 |
| huats | morning | 09:29 |
| didrocks | hum, last version of libappindicator0.0-cil broke banshee indicator | 09:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right, they were discussing the 0 or 1 abi before weekend | 09:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, check with kenvandine or ted when they will be there | 09:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, I will, I have also another thing to discuss with ted about the python binding (some function not working). That will be his day :) | 09:36 |
| didrocks | do you think I should write a page for banshee evaluation for default in UNE or just discuss that in the meeting? (I have some TODO and WI list) | 09:37 |
| seb128 | would be nice to do a summary of what you noted | 09:40 |
| seb128 | could be worth sending to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list | 09:40 |
| seb128 | seems better than a wiki to discuss | 09:40 |
| seb128 | or start with the meeting tomorrow | 09:40 |
| didrocks | ok, starting with the meeting tomorrow and then, launch the discussion in the ubuntu-desktop mailing list | 09:41 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:42 |
| seb128 | milanbv, hi, thanks for not trolling on upstream lists | 10:17 |
| seb128 | milanbv, we already have enough discussion about what Ubuntu does or not without that | 10:17 |
| milanbv | seb128: sorry, but I don't think that's trolling :-) | 10:21 |
| === artnay_ is now known as artnay | ||
| seb128 | milanbv, so you think porting firefox and openoffice to gtk3 is trivial? | 10:21 |
| milanbv | why doesn't an Ubuntu dev clearly explain what's the problem with GTK+3 on desktop-devel? | 10:21 |
| seb128 | and chromium | 10:21 |
| seb128 | milanbv, I'm going to | 10:21 |
| milanbv | ah, here's a point - but I had never heard it before | 10:22 |
| milanbv | cool :-) | 10:22 |
| seb128 | this discussion started before weekend | 10:22 |
| seb128 | and I don't work on weekends | 10:22 |
| seb128 | I'm just starting my week | 10:22 |
| seb128 | milanbv, the issue in short is that we need to duplicate the stack | 10:22 |
| seb128 | ie every lib using gtk needs 2 build | 10:22 |
| seb128 | a gtk2 and a gtk3 one | 10:22 |
| milanbv | yeah, that I understand | 10:22 |
| seb128 | it's lot of work | 10:22 |
| seb128 | and we have no CD space for 2 stacks | 10:23 |
| seb128 | and we will not port firefox this cycle | 10:23 |
| seb128 | you can't change firefox without mozilla ack anyway | 10:23 |
| milanbv | but are you sure porting Firefox and OO.o is so much work? | 10:23 |
| milanbv | I've no idea about that, but usually it's not that hard | 10:23 |
| milanbv | even if their codebases are evil ;-) | 10:23 |
| seb128 | mozilla doesn't let firefox to be changed without them approving the change | 10:23 |
| seb128 | to start with | 10:23 |
| seb128 | and I doubt they will allow such changes in a distribution | 10:24 |
| milanbv | though I doubt they would refuses patches for that... | 10:24 |
| seb128 | I doubt they will want to switch to gtk3 | 10:24 |
| seb128 | they don't have 2 codecases | 10:24 |
| seb128 | and most of their users are on gtk2 systems | 10:24 |
| seb128 | what would they win? | 10:24 |
| milanbv | no idea, but that's definitely something to discuss with GNOME, because verybody is affected | 10:25 |
| milanbv | they wouldn't win much, but anyway they'll have to switch | 10:25 |
| seb128 | not so sure | 10:26 |
| seb128 | gtk2 will be around for a while | 10:26 |
| seb128 | ie years | 10:26 |
| seb128 | they have no hurry to switch | 10:26 |
| milanbv | yeah, but Linux distribs aren't going to use a GTK2 firefox for ages | 10:27 |
| seb128 | I'm pretty sure no distro will be able to do without gtk2 in the next year for their default installation | 10:27 |
| milanbv | else that means GNOME will stay 2.30 | 10:27 |
| seb128 | milanbv, what will they use? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | no | 10:27 |
| seb128 | it ship means you have to ship 2 versions of GTK | 10:27 |
| seb128 | which is not so much of an issue and most distros will do | 10:27 |
| seb128 | but it requires work and CD space | 10:27 |
| milanbv | I agree that's really not optimal | 10:27 |
| seb128 | and we don't have the manpower for the packaging work and port work in half a cycle | 10:28 |
| seb128 | we aim for GTK3 and GNOME3 next cycle | 10:28 |
| seb128 | our team is small and we can't get there this cycle | 10:28 |
| milanbv | but I fear all that patching work will be tedious too | 10:28 |
| seb128 | it will | 10:29 |
| seb128 | that's why we plan to do the platform this cycle | 10:29 |
| seb128 | ie we will have gtk3 and libraries built for it this cycle | 10:29 |
| seb128 | but not on the default installation | 10:30 |
| seb128 | so we can start working on getting things building with it | 10:30 |
| seb128 | but I've little doubt we will not be done by end of the cycle | 10:30 |
| milanbv | anyway, I really believe this kind of decision should be explained upstream ASAP | 10:30 |
| milanbv | you're helping rants against Ubuntu by not talking | 10:31 |
| seb128 | I talked to andre and vuntz about it | 10:33 |
| seb128 | we had fpeters at UDS | 10:33 |
| seb128 | and it has publically mentioned to several upstream | 10:34 |
| seb128 | ie empathy, tomboy | 10:34 |
| seb128 | I do plan to reply to those emails | 10:34 |
| seb128 | I didn't do an email upstream before because it's a distro choice | 10:34 |
| seb128 | and I don't see how what we do is revelant for upstream | 10:34 |
| seb128 | as you said on the list Ubuntu is only one distro | 10:34 |
| seb128 | why our choice should matter enough to be announced upstream | 10:35 |
| milanbv | that's not one distro - that's one of the main distros | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I will reply to this email | 10:36 |
| seb128 | the bottom line is that I think GNOME is right to go to GTK3 this cycle | 10:36 |
| milanbv | and that's relevant because e.g. Empathy devs are primarily concerned about getting 2.32 into Ubuntu | 10:36 |
| seb128 | but I don't trust GNOME3 to be ready on time | 10:36 |
| seb128 | well they are not the only ones and they are right as a project | 10:37 |
| seb128 | lot of upstream care about their code to run on the current lts | 10:37 |
| didrocks | milanbv: empathy guys are already aware of that, we discussed it over the week-end and I annonced the point seb128 just explained to you | 10:37 |
| seb128 | and will do for some years | 10:37 |
| didrocks | announced* | 10:37 |
| seb128 | or on the coming Debian stable | 10:37 |
| seb128 | or on RHEL6 | 10:37 |
| seb128 | or on the current opensuse | 10:37 |
| seb128 | the fact that GNOME3 is coming doesn't mean those distro will stop being used | 10:37 |
| seb128 | and upstream will keep carring about having their software new versions available for those users | 10:38 |
| seb128 | I doubt firefox we go with "we do builds for GTK3, if you use RHEL or Lucid LTS or Debian you loose" | 10:38 |
| seb128 | will go | 10:38 |
| seb128 | I think it's not realistic to ask softwares writers to go GTK3 only | 10:39 |
| milanbv | Firefox is another kettle of fish... | 10:39 |
| seb128 | well take pidgin if you like | 10:39 |
| seb128 | or chrome | 10:39 |
| seb128 | or openoffice | 10:39 |
| seb128 | or eclipse | 10:39 |
| seb128 | everything which matters out of GNOME itself | 10:39 |
| milanbv | ...and is on the CD | 10:40 |
| seb128 | that's orthogonal | 10:40 |
| milanbv | people using Eclipse can afford loading a second GTK+ version | 10:40 |
| seb128 | I'm explaining you why empathy and other will care about being gtk2 compatible still | 10:40 |
| seb128 | it doesn't mean they will not allow building with gtk3 | 10:40 |
| seb128 | but dropping gtk2 support doesn't seem something software writters should or will do | 10:41 |
| seb128 | well there is 2 topics there | 10:41 |
| seb128 | - default gtk version we can and will use | 10:41 |
| seb128 | - what upstream code will build with | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and saying upstream code should stop building with gtk2 is a no go | 10:41 |
| seb128 | it means upstream code will stop building on Lucid LTS | 10:41 |
| seb128 | or RHEL6 | 10:41 |
| seb128 | or Debian | 10:41 |
| seb128 | or opensuse | 10:42 |
| milanbv | that's true for standalone software | 10:42 |
| seb128 | those distros don't have gtk3 in their current stable | 10:42 |
| milanbv | but for GNOME core | 10:42 |
| seb128 | well, empathy is standalone software | 10:42 |
| Zdra | seb128, it's really unsure empathy will build with gtk2 | 10:42 |
| seb128 | or they can decide if they care about their software being shipped out of the new GNOME | 10:42 |
| milanbv | and I think gnome-settings-daemon depends on GTK+3 already | 10:43 |
| seb128 | Zdra, well it's a call your team should be doing but knowing you drop support for all those distro when you do it | 10:43 |
| Zdra | seb128, we are really in the middle of dilemma tbh | 10:43 |
| seb128 | milanbv, right, which is why we don't update to GNOME 2.31 | 10:43 |
| milanbv | yeah, but it's really not that nice... | 10:43 |
| seb128 | we don't have confidence on GNOME3 to be ready this cycle | 10:43 |
| milanbv | I see | 10:43 |
| seb128 | it's going to be like the new KDE | 10:43 |
| seb128 | buggy and crashy | 10:44 |
| milanbv | :D | 10:44 |
| seb128 | it's lot of changes for one cycle | 10:44 |
| seb128 | it's mixing gtk3 and dconf | 10:44 |
| milanbv | not as many as for KDE4 | 10:44 |
| Zdra | seb128, I think the big big mistake is to not provide GtkApplication in Gtk 2.22 | 10:44 |
| Zdra | luckily they are (it seems) still making libunique-3 | 10:45 |
| Zdra | so that could safe us all | 10:45 |
| seb128 | how does that makes any difference? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | that's libunique for gtk3 | 10:45 |
| seb128 | oh, you mean you can keep using that and not depends on gtk3 specific apis | 10:46 |
| seb128 | right... | 10:46 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, have you seen the 'Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90' in desktop-devel-list? | 10:46 |
| Zdra | seb128, exactly | 10:46 |
| milanbv | rodrigo_: sure he has ;-) | 10:46 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, they're talking about ubuntu not shipping gtk3, if you have something to say | 10:46 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok :) | 10:46 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, I see you've been discussing it :) | 10:47 |
| Zdra | seb128, in the unlikely hypotheses that all packages shipped with ubuntu liveCD can build with GTK3, would you accept to ship gtk3 with maverick? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | Zdra, if it's available on time and working yes | 10:48 |
| seb128 | I still have little confidence on the GNOME3 schedule | 10:49 |
| seb128 | Zdra, but I doubt firefox or openoffice will be gtk3 friendly this cycle | 10:49 |
| seb128 | knowing those it will take a year to get there | 10:49 |
| seb128 | I don't think openoffice will roll a new version this cycle | 10:50 |
| Zdra | seb128, yeah, it is unlikely... but to totally fair, I think you should communicate your position, give a list of packages that needs absolutely to build with gtk3, then we'll see... | 10:50 |
| seb128 | Zdra, I plan to reply to the mailing list with what I just said there | 10:50 |
| seb128 | I think it's not a good choice for software writters to drop gtk2 support | 10:50 |
| seb128 | it's not something any reasonable isv would do | 10:51 |
| seb128 | I don't ever see firefox telling all those RHEL or Debian or LTS use to stop using firefox | 10:51 |
| Zdra | in the first place I think it is a *really* bad idea from GTK dev to add features in GTK 3.0 | 10:51 |
| Zdra | the initial plan was to have gtk 3.0 == gtk2.22 - deprecated | 10:51 |
| milanbv | Firefox could be GTK2 and 3 friendly at the same time | 10:51 |
| milanbv | just removing deprecated symbols | 10:52 |
| milanbv | that's what most GNOME modules will do | 10:52 |
| milanbv | the problem is, will they want it in time... | 10:52 |
| seb128 | no, it's not what GNOME will do | 10:53 |
| seb128 | that's why we have this discussion | 10:53 |
| seb128 | empathy 2.32 for example might depends on gtk3 | 10:53 |
| seb128 | ie using gtkapplication | 10:53 |
| seb128 | which is a gtk3 feature only | 10:53 |
| seb128 | which means it will not be able to build it with gtk2 or on any gtk2 only distro | 10:53 |
| seb128 | well again those are 2 different issues | 10:54 |
| Zdra | seb128, tbh we didn't make any decision, and we understand it is important to support gtk2, and even more important to be shipped with ubuntu | 10:54 |
| seb128 | one being what default gtk we will use | 10:54 |
| seb128 | the other is what software writters will support | 10:54 |
| seb128 | I can't really speak for GNOME components | 10:54 |
| seb128 | ie empathy | 10:54 |
| Zdra | seb128, but if that becomes a GNOME goal to drop libunique and use GtkApplication... then that will become problematic | 10:54 |
| seb128 | but I can for sure say that things like pidgin or firefox or chrome will not let gtk2 users down by stopping building with it | 10:55 |
| seb128 | Zdra, you could have buildtime if code to use one or the other I guess | 10:55 |
| milanbv | using libunique for yet one cycle won't be considered a crime I guess | 10:55 |
| Zdra | seb128, I think the important thing now is the explain the ubuntu position, and ask GNOME release them to ensure that 2.32 still build with gtk2 as compatibility | 10:55 |
| seb128 | I plan to do that | 10:55 |
| Zdra | seb128, and also ask GTK dev WTF they are doing with 2.22 | 10:56 |
| Zdra | they should really backport gtkapplication, I see no reason for not doing it | 10:57 |
| rodrigo_ | someone mentioned having GtkApplication in2.22, iirc | 10:57 |
| rodrigo_ | with that, most stuff should work ok with both gtk2 and gtk3, I think | 10:57 |
| milanbv | Zdra: ask Colin Walters, I think he was OK to do it | 10:57 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| didrocks | seb128: did your rhythmbox snapshot work for you? | 12:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, I like to upload broken things | 12:45 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: I knew that! :-) | 12:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what issue do you have? | 12:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: more seriously, it's segfaulting each times it tries to play something (local mp3/ogg, radio, upnp shared music) | 12:46 |
| seb128 | stacktrace? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | let me try | 12:46 |
| didrocks | on the way, installing the -dbgsym now | 12:46 |
| seb128 | I'm still on lucid so I tested it on lucid | 12:46 |
| seb128 | I'm starting my mini which runs maverick now | 12:46 |
| didrocks | ok | 12:47 |
| didrocks | that's why I asked you first :-) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | can you try to play an ogg in totelm | 12:48 |
| seb128 | totem | 12:48 |
| didrocks | mp3 and ogg are working in totem | 12:49 |
| didrocks | so, doesn't seem to be gstreamer related | 12:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I can play the example-contents ogg fine on the mini | 12:51 |
| seb128 | let's wait for your stacktrace | 12:51 |
| didrocks | hum, it seems to fail in gstreamer :/ let me install the -dbgsym for it | 12:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, try changing the crossfading option | 12:51 |
| didrocks | oh, now I remember I activated this morning a plugin | 12:52 |
| didrocks | got it it's ReplayAgain | 12:53 |
| didrocks | ReplayGain | 12:53 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: this plugin is officiel, right? I can report in upstream bugtracker? | 12:53 |
| didrocks | official* | 12:54 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:54 |
| didrocks | ok, I will report that, thanks seb128! | 12:55 |
| seb128 | thanks didrocks! | 12:55 |
| rodrigo_ | what consumer does manage-credentials need to authenticate for lp-project-upload to work? | 12:58 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: from the code, it's 'ubuntu-dev-tools' | 13:05 |
| didrocks | (function get_launchpad() used by some scripts in ubuntu-dev-tools) | 13:05 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, ok, thanks | 13:06 |
| nessita | didrocks: hey there, I was asking rodrigo_ how to create credentials to upload releases to LP | 13:13 |
| nessita | and manage-credentials -c ubuntu-dev-tools is failing with "manage-credentials: error: Please define a sub-tool you would like to use | 13:14 |
| nessita | didrocks: any idea what am I missing? | 13:14 |
| didrocks | nessita: why do you use manage-credentials? you should just use lp-project-upload | 13:16 |
| didrocks | this one will create the crendential for you | 13:16 |
| nessita | didrocks: well, yes, but it says: | 13:16 |
| nessita | Could not connect to Launchpad: No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer. | 13:16 |
| didrocks | oh ok, it's been a while I've created my credential for it, let me check | 13:17 |
| didrocks | because manage-credentials -c foo works | 13:17 |
| nessita | didrocks: thanks :-) | 13:17 |
| didrocks | but yeah, not with ubuntu-dev-tools | 13:17 |
| rodrigo_ | I never had to use manage-credentials, not sure which tool created my credentials | 13:18 |
| nessita | rodrigo_: maybe because this is a new installation? though my home is the same, and I can push and pull from LP with no problem (to private projects as well) | 13:19 |
| rodrigo_ | nessita, the credentials for bzr branches are different, afaik | 13:19 |
| nessita | oh ok | 13:19 |
| didrocks | nessita: manage-credentials create -c 'ubuntu-dev-tools' | 13:20 |
| nessita | didrocks: no way! :-) | 13:20 |
| didrocks | nessita: you forgot the create tool | 13:20 |
| nessita | yes | 13:20 |
| nessita | didrocks: anyways, it failed with http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/EJQDzkWt | 13:21 |
| nessita | I'll try again | 13:21 |
| didrocks | nessita: did you accepted in your browser before pressing enter? | 13:22 |
| didrocks | lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized | 13:22 |
| didrocks | -> I guess no :) | 13:22 |
| nessita | didrocks: didn't see the browser tab, honestly | 13:23 |
| didrocks | nessita: is it there now? | 13:23 |
| nessita | didrocks: thank you! I'm uploading the project now | 13:23 |
| nessita | didrocks: yes, ti worked | 13:23 |
| nessita | it* | 13:23 |
| didrocks | nessita: sweet, you're welcomed :) | 13:23 |
| didrocks | going out for half an hour for some errands | 13:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you didn't add a stacktrace to the rb crash bug | 13:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: got a bugzilla timeout (just checking the tab) | 13:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:43 |
| didrocks | fixing this | 13:43 |
| seb128 | thank you | 13:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: done, thanks :) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you might want to change the type to a text one as well | 13:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you might want to change the type to a text one as well rather than a binary one | 13:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you might want to change the type to a text one as well rather than a binary one | 13:45 |
| seb128 | ups | 13:45 |
| seb128 | sorry | 13:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum? I don't know that feature, let me have a look | 13:45 |
| seb128 | well usually clicking on a stacktrace works | 13:45 |
| seb128 | there is wants to open it and it says it's a binary format to download | 13:46 |
| didrocks | hum, that's because it gave a bad MimeType | 13:46 |
| didrocks | (bugzilla is horribly slow there today) | 13:47 |
| seb128 | usually people just copy the stacktrace in a comment on bugzilla I think | 13:47 |
| pedro_ | didrocks, i've paste the stacktrace you attached in the bug report so it can be looked more easily | 13:47 |
| seb128 | bugzilla is clever about those and display only the start with a expender sign | 13:47 |
| seb128 | thanks pedro_ | 13:47 |
| pedro_ | that way it would work as seb128 said | 13:47 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey btw, how are you? | 13:47 |
| didrocks | pedro_: thanks a lot :) | 13:47 |
| pedro_ | with the stacktrace parser and all that | 13:47 |
| pedro_ | seb128, I'm good! how are you doing? | 13:48 |
| pedro_ | didrocks, you're welcome ;-) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 13:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I will do that way next time, just paste it | 13:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks too :-) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, see what it gives now that pedro copied it | 13:48 |
| didrocks | right, it's easily readable without cluttering the page | 13:49 |
| ravibn | Hi! I need help installing ubuntu 10.04 64 bit | 13:53 |
| seb128 | ravibn, hi, try #ubuntu | 13:53 |
| ravibn | seb128: been there and they said they do not know | 13:54 |
| seb128 | ravibn, well try again later then | 13:54 |
| ravibn | no one else wanna try here | 13:54 |
| ravibn | looks like people are watching football | 13:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, is oneconf in s-c or ubiquity still likely for a2 or should that be revisited? | 13:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can you give me a summary of where it stands? does it need design input? did people agree to get it in there? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | hello rickspencer3 | 13:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: mvo told me last week that the software-center plugin was available end of last week, which didn't happen. So, it will be delay by one more week now that he is in holidays | 13:57 |
| didrocks | mpt is working today on the design (we discussed together last Friday about that point) | 13:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, mvo is not the only one to work on s-c ;-) | 13:58 |
| didrocks | so, designed-view, it shold be ok | 13:58 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:58 |
| seb128 | so design agree to get it in s-c? | 13:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, but the plugin part was his task, apparently | 13:58 |
| didrocks | right | 13:58 |
| seb128 | I though there were some discussions about it and I though I read about ubiquity being an issue due to connectivity not always being there etc | 13:58 |
| didrocks | ubiquity, I think it won't do it this cycle to be honest | 13:58 |
| rickspencer3 | good morning seb128 | 13:58 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 13:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, I agree with that, can you change the workitem to delayed? | 13:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, DELAYED or POSTPONED? both are valid? | 13:59 |
| seb128 | ups, postponed | 13:59 |
| didrocks | ok :) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | sorry ;-) | 13:59 |
| didrocks | no worry :-) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | the appmenubar is in main btw now | 14:00 |
| didrocks | ok, will seed it today so | 14:00 |
| seb128 | so it should be easy to check that workitem this week if you want ;-) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | check with davidbarth first though | 14:00 |
| didrocks | sure | 14:00 |
| seb128 | I think he had some concern about quality on friday | 14:00 |
| didrocks | also, I will POSTPONE some Quickly tasks as gedit is changing his plugin system this cycle | 14:00 |
| seb128 | it might require to confirm if it's ready to go or not | 14:01 |
| didrocks | ok, will check with him | 14:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 14:01 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 14:01 |
| didrocks | you're welcome :) | 14:01 |
| seb128 | tremolux, hello | 14:01 |
| didrocks | hey tremolux | 14:02 |
| seb128 | tremolux, can you let me know when you have some time to talk about your workitems? | 14:03 |
| seb128 | tremolux, you are a bit behind on the alpha2 list, we are near of the mid-milestone mark and you got 5 items on 18 done | 14:03 |
| seb128 | tremolux, that's not an issue but need to look if those items are still realistics or if some need to be moved to a3 now | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it seems the tp-approver thing will not happen for a2 right? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can you move it to a3 if that's the case? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, hi | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, where do you stand with design for language-selectors mockups? can you ping them to get an update if you didn't have one recently? | 14:06 |
| seb128 | RAOF, you are probably sleeping or not working right now but for tomorrow, we need to discuss your workitems, we are mid a2 milestone and you got 2 items out of 21 crossed | 14:07 |
| seb128 | RAOF, I would like to check with you if you need help or if we shoul reschedule some of those for later | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah, will do | 14:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 14:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey btw, did you have a nice weekend? | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | seb128, not really... but i hope you did :) | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i started getting sick thurs and friday... and friday night i went to the doctor... turns out i have an infection caused by a tick bite | 14:26 |
| seb128 | urg | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | something similar to rocky mountain spotted fever, not sure if you ever heard of that | 14:27 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | but it's a pain... | 14:27 |
| seb128 | my weekend was quite nice thanks | 14:27 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no I didn't, checking on internet now ;-) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I hope you get better | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | anyway... i'll survive... but will have joint pain.. aches and pains and a fever for probably 2 full weeks :( | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, take some rest today if you need it | 14:28 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | it's a nasty infection... i was never too worried about ticks before... | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | anyway... i'll be ok :) | 14:28 |
| seb128 | they are known to be bad around there | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:29 |
| seb128 | we try to be careful with those | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | i was working on my fence two weeks ago... and got a bunch of bite | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | +s | 14:29 |
| seb128 | anyway at least you know what you have now | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | yeah... glad my wife made me go to the doctor... | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | she's the one that remembered i got the tick bites... and knew to make me go to the doctor asap | 14:30 |
| tremolux | seb128: hi Seb, we can talk about work items; last week was a bit of a backfill week but I plan to focus on work items this week exclusively | 15:28 |
| kenvandine | seb128, just talked to rickspencer3, we moved all my existing gwibber WIs to a3 | 15:28 |
| rickspencer3 | and add work items for fixing Twitter after Twitter breaks Gwibber | 15:29 |
| kenvandine | and i added a couple new ones to a2, to handle an important change to twitter that needs to get into lucid by the end of june | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 15:29 |
| seb128 | tremolux, hey | 15:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, basically twitter.com is turning off the auth mechanism that we use currently, and they just published the spec for how open source apps will need to auth | 15:29 |
| tremolux | seb128: particularly the New Apps and Buy something items are moving now | 15:29 |
| tremolux | seb128: hiya :) | 15:30 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, seems something to move priority on indeed | 15:30 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:30 |
| seb128 | tremolux, so do you think you are on track to get everything on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html done by end of the month or not? | 15:30 |
| seb128 | tremolux, ""Where is it" feature; investigate whether we need to enable accessibility by default (enables us to talk to the menu)" | 15:31 |
| seb128 | tremolux, did you take into consideration environments without menus, ie UNE, for this one? | 15:31 |
| tremolux | seb128: no, actually, I haven't dug into that one at all yet | 15:32 |
| tremolux | seb128: those items in the UI Enhancements lists test to be standalong features, they are good candidates for trading in and out as we see fit | 15:32 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:33 |
| seb128 | it seems to me this one should be move to alpha3 | 15:33 |
| seb128 | what do you think? | 15:33 |
| tremolux | seb128: yeah, I agree; the issue with accessibility was the gate for that | 15:34 |
| seb128 | ok, please move it then on the blueprint then, thanks | 15:34 |
| tremolux | seb128: will do | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, otherwise you have quite some items still but it seems doable if you focus on those this week | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, let's see how it goes | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tremolux, keep the good work, s-c looks great ;-) | 15:35 |
| tremolux | seb128: yes, that sounds good | 15:35 |
| seb128 | tremolux, btw let me know if you need sponsoring for an upload this week since mvo is on holidays | 15:35 |
| tremolux | seb128: thanks :) | 15:35 |
| tremolux | seb128: right, thanks, mvo mentioned that, I think later this week may be a good time to do one | 15:35 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:36 |
| seb128 | just let me know when you think we should do an update | 15:36 |
| tremolux | seb128: we did a release last week with a lot of new stuff and I've done some cleanup since | 15:36 |
| tremolux | seb128: thanks | 15:36 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128: will the testing PPA's be posted on the mailing lists. I can use my VM if it'll help out. (i.e. the new gnome panel) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, what testing ppa? | 15:39 |
| seb128 | oh, you mean specifically for gnome-panel | 15:39 |
| seb128 | I guess we will not do the update | 15:39 |
| seb128 | I should update the blueprint | 15:39 |
| seb128 | the gtk3 issue got added to the list since UDS | 15:39 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128: yeah, im reading ahead on some of the blueprints | 15:39 |
| * bcurtiswx shrugs as to why his wireless is bad today | 15:45 | |
| tremolux | kenvandine: hi Ken, mpt has some useful comments for Gwibber integration in Software Center here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/592619 | 15:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 592619 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software item screen has unspecified "Share via microblog" item (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 15:48 |
| * kenvandine looks | 15:49 | |
| tremolux | kenvandine: p.s. sorry to hear about your tick bite! | 15:49 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: not Lyme disease, is it? | 15:49 |
| * bcurtiswx agrees it sounds like Lyme disease | 15:50 | |
| kenvandine | no.. thankfully | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | ehrlichiosis | 15:51 |
| * kenvandine hates medical terms... do that have to be so hard to pronounce and spell? | 15:52 | |
| tremolux | kenvandine: ug, still sounds like no fun | 15:52 |
| kenvandine | it is pretty similar to rocky mounted spotted fever, but not as agressive | 15:52 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: it's great for parties tho, "oh, yes, I've got this nasty case of ehrlichiosis. please pass the onion dip" | 15:53 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | that's awesome | 15:54 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: anyway, feel better soon | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | thx man | 15:55 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: note on that bug, reviews are not currently in the plan for maverick | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | tremolux, indeed... my original branch didn't use the term microblog... i think it said something like Share with your social networks | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | or something like that | 15:58 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: ah, interesting! | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | i know we avoid the term microblog... but i am not sure there is a consensus on what should be used | 15:59 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: I can check, maybe mvo changed that? | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | mpt, "Broadcast" | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | mvo did change it... almost certain | 15:59 |
| tremolux | kenvandine: yeah | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | maybe mpt can give us some guidance on terminology | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | and he makes a good point for apturl | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | but... other gwibber users get something useful | 16:00 |
| mpt | kenvandine, I think first we should nail down what user stories we want to satisfy. "Check out {this thing}" doesn't seem obviously something we should make easy -- or at least, not easier than, say, e-mailing someone about this thing. | 16:02 |
| mpt | kenvandine, were there any other suggestions made during the UDS session? | 16:03 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, more questions :) | 16:15 |
| seb128 | ? | 16:15 |
| seb128 | I didn't get your previous question if you asked one | 16:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, we have a package split from u1-client that we want to upload to maverick and included in main | 16:15 |
| seb128 | so ask again ;-) | 16:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, just warning you that I have more questions :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 16:16 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so, should we go via REVU? | 16:16 |
| rodrigo_ | or just upload and file a MIR? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | source split or binaries split from what is built? | 16:16 |
| rodrigo_ | source split | 16:16 |
| seb128 | I doubt you will be able to upload the new source | 16:16 |
| seb128 | you need a new package, review, etc | 16:16 |
| nessita | seb128: we almost have the new package ready | 16:17 |
| seb128 | ok good | 16:17 |
| seb128 | so feel free to upload | 16:17 |
| seb128 | REVU is not an hard requirement | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | mpt, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-social-api | 16:17 |
| nessita | seb128: to upload to revu or to a branch? | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | the notes are on the bottom of the whiteboard | 16:17 |
| nessita | ah, right | 16:17 |
| mpt | kenvandine, our GSoC student intends to do the apturl part of that | 16:18 |
| seb128 | nessita, to upload to Ubuntu | 16:18 |
| seb128 | ie get somebody to sponsor it | 16:18 |
| seb128 | ie kenvandine | 16:18 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, and once it's uploaded? | 16:18 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok | 16:18 |
| nessita | perfect | 16:18 |
| rodrigo_ | hey kenvandine, feeling better? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I will review it in NEW once it's uploaded | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, the ibuprofin is helping a little... keep the fever a bit down | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | best i can hope for :) | 16:19 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, cool, I thought you were not working today because of that, so hope it gets better :) | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | mpt, cool... my branch had a urlhandler for software-center specific urls, so other ubuntu users would go straight into software-center | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | mpt, but mvo didn't take that part of my branch :) | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | getting it in apturl is much better | 16:20 |
| ArneGoetje | seb128: I did have a meeting on Friday with them. I'm in the process of updating the specs and creating the mockups now. | 16:30 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, thanks | 16:30 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, nah... i can't do anything terribly physical... but i can touch keys and move the mouse :) | 16:34 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, cool then :) | 16:39 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: around? | 16:52 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: sure | 16:52 |
| cjohnston | rickspencer3: are you around? | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | cjohnston, yeah, but otp | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | 5 - 10 mins | 16:54 |
| cjohnston | Could you let me know when you have a few minutes to talk about something real quick... I'm at work today, so if I'm not around I'm on a call | 16:55 |
| cjohnston | rickspencer3: bbiab | 16:58 |
| mpt | tremolux, I've specced that USC should remember {whether hidden items were shown} only inside the Back/Forward history. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=376&rev1=373> | 17:05 |
| tremolux | mpt: excellent, thanks | 17:05 |
| Riddell | what's the sound mixer applet in ubuntu these days? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | indicator-sound | 17:18 |
| Riddell | seb128: in lucid? | 17:18 |
| seb128 | yes | 17:18 |
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| LaserJock | didrocks: is there a new PPA for Unity or is it still at ppa:canonical-dx-team/une | 17:29 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: still the same | 17:36 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: just follow the instructions there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Unity | 17:36 |
| Riddell | what's the ubuntu desktop user config/new user tool these days? | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, I think that's called "the desktop" | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | just kidding | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | are you looking for the package name? | 18:07 |
| Riddell | yes | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, well, I guess it's users-admin | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | but it's in the gnome-desktop | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | so I don't know what package it would be in other than ubuntu-desktop | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | hth | 18:09 |
| seb128 | we are going to get a new one this cycle | 18:10 |
| seb128 | Riddell, what are you trying to do? | 18:10 |
| Riddell | seb128: look at the add new user tool for ubuntu desktop | 18:10 |
| Riddell | if there's two such tools even better :) | 18:10 |
| seb128 | we don't have it packaged yet | 18:10 |
| cjohnston | kenvandine: do you have any idea if Ryan has had a chance to look at bug 580067? | 18:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 580067 in gwibber "twitter fails to download messages, sometimes (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580067 | 18:10 |
| Riddell | seb128: what's the old one? | 18:10 |
| seb128 | Riddell, users-admin | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | urk | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, evo is crashing as soon as it is done loading messages for me | 18:13 |
| Riddell | ah, gnome-system-tools | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't see a bug assigned to our team on this | 18:13 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, maverick? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | or lucid | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yah | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | maverick | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now | 18:13 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, it's a bit early to start tracking bugs in maverick this way | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | but didn't see a new evo | 18:13 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, quickly click on an another email when it opens | 18:14 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, ack ... but I was looking for a bug report to see if there is a workaround, etc... | 18:14 |
| rickspencer3 | and make sure one has been logged | 18:14 |
| * rickspencer3 tries the quickly click trick | 18:14 | |
| seb128 | we got some similar bugs | 18:14 |
| seb128 | not easy to say if it's the same without a stacktrace | 18:14 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | so long as it's tracked | 18:15 |
| seb128 | you can also use apport to open a bug | 18:15 |
| seb128 | if you want to be sure | 18:15 |
| seb128 | but we do have similar crash bugs tracked | 18:15 |
| seb128 | if you don't want to bother wait a bit | 18:16 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: seb128: there are still some messages not working with the workaround | 18:16 |
| didrocks | didn't have the time to look at it recently | 18:16 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I like the "if you don't want to bother approach" ;) | 18:18 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | cjohnston, oh... i think he did | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | and i think he has a fix... he should really comment on those bugs | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | i'll bug him about it and see if we can get the patch in an SRU | 18:20 |
| seb128 | ok, time for sport, see you later | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | later seb128 | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | have fun | 18:21 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:21 |
| cjohnston | kenvandine: I'm running the daily... was it already put in there do you think? | 18:48 |
| kenvandine | no... it hasn't been committed | 19:07 |
| kenvandine | it is bumping the timeout for pycurl | 19:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: urgh, you got me :) | 19:08 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, what? | 19:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: I was reading http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/06/go-here-to-learn-to-program-from-mit.html in my feed reader thinking I was reading xkcd and saw him mentionned Quickly ! | 19:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: but it was your blog :) | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | cjohnston, he thinks it will fix a handful of things... i'll get it SRU'd and committed | 19:08 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:08 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 19:08 |
| * kenvandine goes to finish eating... bbiab | 19:08 | |
| rickspencer3 | sorry didrocks | 19:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: no pb. I was so happy for 4 seconds. It worthed it :p | 19:09 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | awesome | 19:23 |
| fta | slomo, here? | 19:46 |
| fta | slomo, wrt libvpx, do you track only releases? i see that mozilla is tracking a snapshot, and chromium is still with the initial git commit, while otoh, commits started to flow in upstream git | 19:50 |
| slomo | fta: libvpx 0.9.0-6 contains latest GIT version as of 8 days ago | 19:53 |
| slomo | fta: soon there will be a 0.9.1 release, i'll update to that then | 19:53 |
| slomo | fta: why? | 19:53 |
| fta | slomo, so 0.9.0-6 is 0.9.0+gitxxxx, not 0.9.0 proper, right? | 19:53 |
| slomo | yes | 19:54 |
| slomo | see the changelog | 19:54 |
| fta | slomo, the reason i ask is because i see some fixes and perf improvements in git. and using webm in chromium, 720p is using lots of cpu | 19:54 |
| fta | chromium is not yet using the GPU, so any perf improvement in the codec is good to have | 19:55 |
| slomo | the performance improvements are not *that* much, only a few percent | 19:55 |
| slomo | it's still using quite some cpu | 19:56 |
| fta | i know, but each % counts ;) | 19:56 |
| dobey | any sponsors around? | 20:00 |
| fta | slomo, i had to disable crossfading in rhythmbox, it was doing weird stuff since the upgrade to maverick, is there already a bug i can track? | 20:06 |
| slomo | fta: no idea | 20:10 |
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| nessita | seb128: ping | 21:07 |
| seb128 | nessita, hi | 21:08 |
| nessita | seb128: I'm trying to upload the package that rodrigo_ mentioned before, and I'm getting | 21:08 |
| nessita | nessita@dali:~$ bzr push lp:~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/first-release | 21:08 |
| nessita | bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/first-release": No such source package ubuntu-sso-client. | 21:08 |
| nessita | seb128: I'm new to packaging, but rodrigo_ said that would be correct, could you please point what's missing? | 21:09 |
| nessita | seb128: or do I need to upload using dput? | 21:10 |
| seb128 | is there a ubuntu-sso-client product on launchpad? | 21:10 |
| seb128 | urg, rather source package in ubuntu | 21:10 |
| nessita | seb128: yes to project, no to source package on ubuntu | 21:11 |
| nessita | seb128: this is meant to be that package :-) | 21:11 |
| seb128 | ok so you can't use the ubuntu maverick namespace | 21:11 |
| seb128 | well you need to push somewhere else until it's in ubuntu | 21:11 |
| seb128 | ie lp:~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/first-release | 21:11 |
| james_w | even a ppa would make that command work | 21:11 |
| nessita | james_w: you mean dputting to a PPA? | 21:12 |
| dobey | hey seb128 and james_w | 21:13 |
| seb128 | hey dobey | 21:13 |
| seb128 | nessita, I guess he does yes | 21:13 |
| nessita | seb128: what should I do after pushing to a branch of mine/putting into a PPA? | 21:14 |
| dobey | could i get one of you guys to poke at my mocker upload in REVU? :) | 21:14 |
| james_w | hi dobey | 21:15 |
| seb128 | dobey, try #ubuntu-motu? | 21:15 |
| dobey | ah ok | 21:15 |
| james_w | nessita: yes, just dputting to a ppa would allow you to push to that url | 21:15 |
| seb128 | I've no clue about REVU | 21:15 |
| dobey | i asked in -dev, but it seems pretty dead over there :) | 21:15 |
| nessita | james_w: yey! I could push indeed, thanks! | 21:21 |
| nessita | seb128: package is uploaded to lp:~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/first-release, I need a sponsor now, right? | 21:23 |
| seb128 | nessita, yes | 21:25 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, got those branches merged! | 21:30 |
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| RAOF | Mornin' all. | 23:40 |
| TheMuso | Morning RAOF. | 23:43 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: good morning ! | 23:45 |
| TheMuso | Hey ronoc_narruc. | 23:46 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: how's all in Sydney since you got back ? | 23:46 |
| TheMuso | ronoc_narruc: Not too bad thanks. Finally into winter, although our winter is nothing compared to what the northern hemisphere gets. | 23:47 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: took a holiday for two weeks recently - just what I needed | 23:47 |
| TheMuso | Nice | 23:47 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: So Ivanka wants to get this sound theme redesign underway. | 23:47 |
| TheMuso | ronoc_narruc: ok cool | 23:48 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: I told her we(Michael, you and I) would come up with a list of what sounds are to be redesigned.. | 23:49 |
| TheMuso | ok we need to look those over | 23:49 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso, I'm pretty flat out but will fire off an email in the next day or so with my thoughts | 23:50 |
| TheMuso | ok | 23:50 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: new speakers arrived today | 23:50 |
| TheMuso | nice | 23:51 |
| ronoc_narruc | TheMuso: dynaudio BM15a's | 23:51 |
| TheMuso | cool | 23:51 |
| ronoc_narruc | as nice as i remember them from a session i did about 5 years ago | 23:51 |
| TheMuso | heh | 23:51 |
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