[02:13] <akgraner> Hi all :-)
[02:25] <daker> hi akgraner !
[02:26] <akgraner> daker, hi
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[11:11] <pendulum_> Hiya
[11:11] <AlanBell> hi pendulum_
[11:12] <pendulum_> AlanBell: How goes?
[11:12] <AlanBell> busy playing with elgg today
[11:13] <pendulum_> Cool :)
[11:13] <AlanBell> nice empty house again after having lots of people round at the weekend
[11:13] <pendulum_> Heh
[11:15] <AlanBell> met my new niece
[11:16] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/caitlin.jpg
[11:16] <pendulum_> Aww :)
[11:42] <jussi> voi pienta!
[11:44] <AlanBell> can be detached?
[11:45] <AlanBell> ah, may be small
[11:46] <AlanBell> Voi pientä
[11:48] <jussi> AlanBell: its the kind of thing you say when you see a baby... similar to "aww, cute"
[11:58] <elky> AlanBell, jussi is still trying to pretend to be european, you see.
[11:58] <jussi> lol
[12:01] <pendulum_> Haha
[12:05]  * AlanBell thinks Australia needs to learn to let go
[12:07] <jussi> hehe
[12:07] <jussi> jjust let go, Im not worth it anyhow :P
[12:45] <elky> Oh, Finland can keep him, but we get to keep picking on him no matter what.
[12:46] <elky> 'tis the Aussie way.
[12:54] <jussi> elky: :(
[12:55]  * elky pats jussi on the head.
[12:55] <jussi> elky: oh come on... Im not 5 anymore...
[12:55]  * jussi guesses that he is of a similar age to elky...
[12:56] <elky> approaching 29?
[12:56] <jussi> yes
[12:56] <jussi> 82 born
[12:56] <elky> but if you were born just one day before me, you qualify as a young'n :P
[12:57] <jussi> elky: 4/4/82... am I a young'n?
[12:57] <elky> This is the wrong channel for this now anyway
[12:57] <elky> jussi, by 6mths.
[12:57] <jussi> hehe
[13:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:38] <czajkowski> akgraner: ping
[15:53] <czajkowski> Giving a talk next month on women in open source and Ubuntu women, wondering have folks been at similar presentations
[15:53] <czajkowski> the audience will have limited open source knowledge
[16:04] <hypatia> czajkowski: if you haven't seen skud's OSCON keynote from last year: http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon-keynote/
[16:05] <czajkowski> hypatia: Thanks, much appreciated.
[16:05] <hypatia> :)
[16:06] <czajkowski> my interview on podcast about after 6 mins http://www.pcliveradio.ie/ubuntu-and-more/
[16:06] <hypatia> czajkowski: some more here: http://delicious.com/hypatia.ca/unlockingtheclubhouse+opensource
[16:06] <hypatia> http://denise.dreamwidth.org/23600.html is freaking fantastic
[16:06] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:07] <czajkowski> this is all new to me
[16:08] <AlanBell> Sam Bail did one at oggcamp
[16:10] <czajkowski> so if you were sitting in a room
[16:10] <czajkowski> not heard of open source
[16:10] <czajkowski> and were being told about UW
[16:10] <czajkowski> what would you like to hear
[16:11] <AlanBell> who is in the room?
[16:11] <czajkowski> women in business
[16:12] <AlanBell> ah, that makes a huge difference!
[16:12] <czajkowski> A bit of background about the City Learning Centres.  City Learning Centres were established in what were named Education Action Zones, these are deprived inner city areas of England predominantly old industrial cities e.g. London, Manchester. Birmingham, Leeds, Newcastle etc.  A typical CLC will have an AV studio, advanced print facilities,  video conferencing etc.  We explore new technologies on all platforms Mac,
[16:13] <czajkowski> What I'd like is a what works well session to familiarise the audience with the Ubuntu Women project, why it was established,  its aims and its successes.  How the  community communicates and organises itself and how CLCs can work with the community and possibly extend its reach into secondary schools in England.
[16:13] <czajkowski> sorry for over paste
[16:18] <AlanBell> what do you want them to do as a result of hearing your talk?
[16:19] <czajkowski> well to have a better knowlege of Ubuntu and what the UW team is about
[16:21] <AlanBell> do you want them to get involved? Use Ubuntu?
[16:23] <czajkowski> well yes, to both
[16:23] <czajkowski> for them to know there is an alternative out there
[16:23] <czajkowski> know the resources that are available to them
[16:25] <AlanBell> don't focus on the information you want them to absorb because that will be like reading them a wikipedia page, focus on making them enthusiastic to do something
[16:26] <czajkowski> ok
[16:26] <AlanBell> and then you pursuade them that doing what you want them to do is easy and fun by giving all the information you want them to absorb
[16:27] <czajkowski> well also these are managers, you want to get them to see it's easy and here to help also
[16:27] <AlanBell> so like my votegeek presentation started out by wanting people to go out and vote. The presentation gave a lot of information that justified what I wanted them to do.
[16:28] <czajkowski> *nods*
[16:28] <czajkowski> ok
[16:29] <AlanBell> so you are talking to a bunch of women and you want them to go away afterwards and get involved in the Ubuntu Community
[16:30] <AlanBell> because it will be good strategically for their businesses
[16:30] <czajkowski> yes but there will be others bar women there
[16:30] <czajkowski> I think
[16:30] <czajkowski> going by the website
[16:30] <AlanBell> because the community is friendly and supportive
[16:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: cheers
[16:32] <AlanBell> mixed audience is fine, the point is you are not talking to an open source geek crowd in need of an attitude adjustment!
[16:32] <AlanBell> you are selling them the benefits of our wonderful community
[16:33] <AlanBell> and telling them to get their collective backsides down to london for the 13th :-) http://ubuntuinbusiness.eventbright.com
[16:35] <czajkowski> yes good point
[16:40] <AlanBell> czajkowski: the city learning centres are Becta funded and Becta is for the chop. They might have significant funding issues heading their way.
[16:43] <czajkowski> *nods*
[16:43] <czajkowski> well as of yesterday it;s still going ahead as I've to submit a bio and sort out flights
[16:44] <AlanBell> yes, didn't mean the conference might get cut. Just they might be looking for innovative ways to make significant savings. Most of their priorities are about technology http://localauthorities.becta.org.uk/index.php?section=ndi&catcode=la_clc_01
[16:58] <czajkowski> *nods*
[17:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: see pm
[21:08] <bekabug> can't get into ubuntu-women unless invited.  when did this start?
[21:10] <AlanBell> some weeks ago bekabug in response to a lot of trolls and wiki vandalism
[21:10] <bekabug> how annoying (of the trolls) :/  I guess I'll wait around for an invite
[21:11] <JanC> bekabug: do we know you from somewhere?
[21:12] <bekabug> probably not :)
[21:12] <bekabug> i'm bekabug on undernet
[21:13] <czajkowski> bekabug: I think JanC meant, in the project or in Ubuntu
[21:14] <bekabug> i understood and no. i'm a lurker in this channel and others
[21:15] <Pendulum> bekabug: you should delurk some here then so we can get to know you :)
[21:16] <bekabug> i've actually learned quite a bit just being quiet and watching. one day i'll have something to say that will be informed and intelligent haha
[21:17] <maco> mistakes are how you learn :)
[21:22] <Pendulum> I'm not sure I say stuff that's informed and intelligent often
[21:22] <Pendulum> speaking of which, is there anyone here who'd be willing to help me relearn C and learn Python this summer?
[21:22] <Pendulum> (or in the next few months, not limited to the summer)
[21:24] <AlanBell> I did some C 18 years ago. Still trying to forget it.
[21:25] <Pendulum> I actually liked C when I was trying to learn it at uni
[21:25] <Pendulum> my lack of learning it had to do with a crap instructor and the fact that I was writing my thesis at the same time so didn't have loads of energy to devote to my non-thesis classes
[21:25] <AlanBell> pointer arithmetic just shouldn't be allowed.
[21:25] <maco> Pendulum: i can maybe answer questions
[21:26] <maco> when i get stuck in C, i ask in #linuxchix
[21:26] <maco> there are some darned good programmers in there
[21:26] <Pendulum> most of my C related problem is not really knowing where to start. because we didn't use a textbook or anything in the class I took so I need to figure out something that will work for that
[21:27] <Pendulum> (python I at least have a couple tutorials to use)
[21:27] <AlanBell> Python is nice. I am just a beginner, but I think it kind of makes sense.
[21:31] <JanC> Pendulum: I can help answering questions about python
[21:44] <akgraner> Hi all - I added all the people who answered the email about hidden email addresses - but if you have not received your voter email and you were a member of the UW LP team before May - please email me
[21:46] <daker> JanC, i need help pls
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[22:51] <valorie> AlanBell: cute!
[22:51] <valorie> she seems to be fascinated by your ear
[22:54] <akgraner> elky,  thank you!
[22:54] <valorie> akgraner, I don't think I got the vote email
[22:54] <valorie> what address should I search for, that it was mailed from?
[22:55] <valorie> could be in my spam or something
[22:55] <akgraner> should have CIVS in the subject line
[22:55] <valorie> CIVS?
[22:55] <akgraner> mailed from my ubuntu.com address
[22:56] <valorie> k
[22:56] <valorie> thanks so much, there it is
[22:57] <akgraner> the subject line it sends me looks different from the ones it sends everyone else
[22:58] <akgraner> so I don't know the exact subject line
[22:59] <pleia2> "Poll: Ubuntu Women Project 2010-2011 Leadership Elections"
[22:59] <akgraner> ahh ok
[22:59] <akgraner> let me email the list to let them know what to look for - I am sure it might have wound up in SPAM for others as well
[22:59] <AlanBell> valorie: yup very cute
[22:59] <AlanBell> and the baby is nice too :-)
[23:02] <akgraner> why am I getting mails going to ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com - I don't remember signing up for the uk mailing list?
[23:02] <AlanBell> popey: ^^
[23:03] <akgraner> and it's about resetting my twitter password
[23:03] <AlanBell> that sounds spamish
[23:03] <akgraner> nods
[23:04] <JanC> that sounds like malware
[23:04] <AlanBell> there has been no twitter related discussion on -uk mailing list today
[23:04] <akgraner> I got one from Ubuntu-nl list too
[23:04] <akgraner> ahhhh
[23:04] <JanC> don't they come with an .exe attached?
[23:05] <akgraner> here is the header
[23:05] <akgraner> from	Twitter <twitter-resetpw-ubuntu-uk=lists.ubuntu.com@postmaster.twitter.com>
[23:05] <akgraner> reply-to	noreply@postmaster.twitter.com
[23:05] <akgraner> to	ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:05] <akgraner> date	Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:56 PM
[23:05] <akgraner> subject	Reset your Twitter password
[23:05] <JanC> yeah, that was malware IIRC
[23:05] <pleia2> yeah, I've been getting them all day
[23:06] <akgraner> ahh ok
[23:06] <JanC> I've been getting them for several days now
[23:06] <valorie> It didn't go in my spam, but not in my ubuntu folder, either
[23:06]  * valorie adds @ubuntu.com to filters to that folder
[23:11] <valorie> have we heard anything on the new logo?
[23:11] <czajkowski> anyone know where I'd find a link to the essays from the 1st competition online?
[23:11] <pleia2> czajkowski: it's linked on the front page of the wiki
[23:11] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/InternationalWomensDay/HowIDiscoveredUbuntu
[23:11] <pleia2> there ;)
[23:12] <czajkowski> my googling skills were failing me
[23:12] <czajkowski> cheers