| slimjimflim | help!! jackd broke my sound!! | 01:04 |
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| slimjimflim | i can't open qjackctl now because of it | 01:05 |
| slimjimflim | i actually didn't install ubuntu-studio, but i'm hoping someone in here knows what they're talking about | 01:05 |
| slimjimflim | as opposed to #ubuntu | 01:05 |
| ScottL | slimjimflim, what did you install that broke your sound? | 02:40 |
| slimjimflim | ScottL: jackd | 03:14 |
| ScottL | slimjimflim, you installed jackd? | 03:25 |
| ScottL | and you could open qjackctl before? | 03:25 |
| slimjimflim | yes | 03:26 |
| slimjimflim | i've narrowd it down to this: | 03:26 |
| slimjimflim | Be aware though automatically starting JACK can cause the daemon (jackd) and/or the GUI (qjackctl) to crash/freeze if device settings change between two sessions (for example, a USB soundcard can get different device numbers across sessions). If so, set the appropriate entry (autolaunch) to 0 in the ~/.jackdrc file, qjackctl should work again. | 03:26 |
| slimjimflim | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration | 03:27 |
| ScottL | if you were opening (and presumably using) qjackctl then i would be surprised if you didn't have jackd already installed before | 03:30 |
| ScottL | but nonetheless, if you try to open qjackctl from the menu what happens? | 03:30 |
| slimjimflim | i've been opening it from cli | 03:31 |
| slimjimflim | $ qjackctlBus error | 03:31 |
| slimjimflim | Suspending PulseAudio | 03:31 |
| slimjimflim | Bus error | 03:31 |
| slimjimflim | idk what menu you're talking about | 03:31 |
| slimjimflim | the window doesn't open of course | 03:32 |
| ScottL | do you have menus at the top of your screen: Applications, Places, System ? | 03:32 |
| slimjimflim | yes | 03:32 |
| slimjimflim | xubuntu | 03:32 |
| slimjimflim | 10.04 | 03:32 |
| ScottL | under Applications can you find Sound&Video ? | 03:32 |
| slimjimflim | no | 03:33 |
| slimjimflim | there's no applications | 03:33 |
| slimjimflim | i have jack control under multimedia | 03:33 |
| slimjimflim | it doesn't open anything | 03:33 |
| ScottL | hmmm | 03:34 |
| ScottL | what command were you using before to start jack from the cli? | 03:34 |
| slimjimflim | qjackctl | 03:34 |
| slimjimflim | same as above | 03:35 |
| slimjimflim | the jackd man page is no help either | 03:36 |
| slimjimflim | afaik | 03:36 |
| ScottL | i'm not sure i have an answer but i have some information that might be helpful to someone else to help you | 03:36 |
| slimjimflim | shhot | 03:36 |
| slimjimflim | shoot | 03:36 |
| ScottL | and i'll explain a bit so you really understand (and sorry if I treat you as if you were daft) but I do want you to understand | 03:37 |
| slimjimflim | it's ok i'm daft | 03:37 |
| ScottL | ubuntu uses pulse audio for normal audio routing, regular desktop stop | 03:37 |
| ScottL | stuff not stop | 03:37 |
| slimjimflim | right | 03:37 |
| ScottL | jack is intended for low latency audio, recording and such | 03:38 |
| slimjimflim | right | 03:38 |
| ScottL | intrinsically and historically they haven't been designed to work together | 03:38 |
| ScottL | back in ubuntu hardy, the ubuntu studio devs set up qjackctl to help this | 03:39 |
| slimjimflim | ok | 03:39 |
| ScottL | when you call up 'qjackctl' it should actually start a wrapper script instead of the qjackctl.bin | 03:39 |
| ScottL | the script runs 'pasuspender' (which suspends pulse audio) and then calls the actuall qjackctl.bin | 03:40 |
| slimjimflim | is there anyway to disassociate jack and pulse? | 03:40 |
| ScottL | qjackctl.bin = qjackctl binary file (the real applicaiton) | 03:40 |
| slimjimflim | hmmm that might be useful info | 03:41 |
| slimjimflim | you mean pauspender? | 03:41 |
| ScottL | disassociate jack and pulse? not terribly easily | 03:41 |
| ScottL | but that is for a gnome desktop | 03:42 |
| ScottL | i'm not sure about an xfce desktop | 03:42 |
| slimjimflim | don't worry about that | 03:42 |
| slimjimflim | i can run anything gnome can | 03:42 |
| ScottL | well, it's not about running applications, rather it's that the gnome project has dictated that pulse audio is THE sound system for gnome desktops | 03:43 |
| slimjimflim | as it is for my xfce | 03:43 |
| ScottL | that's one of the fundamental reasons that ubuntu uses pulse audio | 03:43 |
| ScottL | since kde uses phonon for sound, pulse isn't really a problem for them :) | 03:44 |
| slimjimflim | yea, xfce uses pulse just like gnome | 03:44 |
| ScottL | kxstudio is a respin of ubuntu studio that uses kde and is based purely on jack | 03:44 |
| ScottL | cutting edge stuff, that | 03:44 |
| slimjimflim | i'm mortally afraid of jack now | 03:44 |
| slimjimflim | i want nothing to do with it | 03:44 |
| ScottL | you might also try the ubuntu forums under ubuntu studio for answers also, there are some really knowledgeable people there | 03:45 |
| slimjimflim | k | 03:45 |
| ScottL | particurlaly mulan (or something like that, perhaps mulin) and autostatic | 03:45 |
| ScottL | google search is also your friend (even if they steal your wifi) | 03:45 |
| slimjimflim | lol | 03:45 |
| slimjimflim | steal my wifi? | 03:45 |
| ScottL | even if they steal your wifi = bad joke | 03:45 |
| slimjimflim | how do they do that? | 03:46 |
| ScottL | use google to search google + wifi and you will see the news about it | 03:46 |
| ScottL | but i would start with the forums and i seem to remember bus errors before | 03:46 |
| slimjimflim | k, thanks | 03:47 |
| slimjimflim | you're about the only person who had a clue i've talked to about this yet | 03:47 |
| slimjimflim | in the last ~6 hrs | 03:47 |
| slimjimflim | i think pasuspender might just be my ticket | 03:48 |
| ScottL | well, there are some truly brilliant people around, but usually they are rather busy doing other stuff and sometimes hard to catch | 03:48 |
| ScottL | you might also check at #opensourcemusicians, some really experienced people there also | 03:49 |
| slimjimflim | oh i forgot about that one | 03:49 |
| ScottL | especially holstein (who frequents here pretty regularly helping peole) | 03:49 |
| slimjimflim | oh i'm good friends w/ him | 03:49 |
| ScottL | metric tonnes of helpful knowledge there | 03:49 |
| slimjimflim | btw, check out #music-theory some time | 03:49 |
| slimjimflim | that's my channel | 03:49 |
| slimjimflim | holstein and i are always in there teaching theory | 03:50 |
| ScottL | yeah, that makes sense, i've seen him talking about it :) | 03:50 |
| slimjimflim | jazz ftw | 03:50 |
| ScottL | i keep seeing people typing 'ftw' but i don't think others think what i think it means, what do you think it means? | 03:50 |
| slimjimflim | for the win? | 03:51 |
| slimjimflim | what do you think it means? | 03:51 |
| ScottL | ahhh, fek the world | 03:51 |
| slimjimflim | lol | 03:51 |
| slimjimflim | no | 03:51 |
| ScottL | but fek is not really the right word :) | 03:51 |
| slimjimflim | what, not allowed to cuss in here? | 03:52 |
| ScottL | i prefer not to even if it is allowed | 03:52 |
| slimjimflim | fekin censorship | 03:52 |
| ScottL | lol | 03:52 |
| slimjimflim | my channel is completely uncensored | 03:52 |
| ScottL | but your definition certainly fits the context better when i have seen it used | 03:52 |
| slimjimflim | yes | 03:52 |
| ScottL | oh, i believe this channel is uncensored but again, i choose not to | 03:53 |
| slimjimflim | k | 03:53 |
| ScottL | oh, do you have dbus installed ? this may be the reason for your problem | 03:54 |
| slimjimflim | no | 03:54 |
| * slimjimflim installs | 03:54 | |
| slimjimflim | oh | 03:55 |
| slimjimflim | i have qdbuss | 03:56 |
| ScottL | just a minute, looking something up | 03:58 |
| ScottL | you should look for this file: /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 03:58 |
| ScottL | make sure it has the following lines (or something similar): | 03:59 |
| ScottL | @audio - rtprio 99 | 03:59 |
| ScottL | @audio - memlock unlimited | 03:59 |
| slimjimflim | ya i did that already | 03:59 |
| ScottL | is this in the audio.conf file or the limits.conf file? | 04:00 |
| slimjimflim | audio.conf | 04:01 |
| ScottL | and you probably should log out afterwards to make sure it takes effect | 04:01 |
| slimjimflim | i did | 04:01 |
| ScottL | hmmm, i'm running out of suggestions then | 04:01 |
| slimjimflim | it's all good | 04:01 |
| ScottL | although i did find a bug that says it's something to do with how pulse audio handles memory (but only effects select people) | 04:01 |
| ScottL | you are using a USB audio card right? | 04:02 |
| slimjimflim | i'm gonna play with pasuspender | 04:02 |
| slimjimflim | no | 04:02 |
| ScottL | on board audio or is it a pci card? | 04:02 |
| slimjimflim | onboard | 04:02 |
| ScottL | which version of qjackctl were you using ? if you know | 04:03 |
| ScottL | i have two more suggestions for you: | 04:03 |
| ScottL | 1) reinstall jackd and qjackctl, sometimes this fixes some problems | 04:04 |
| slimjimflim | it won't tell me | 04:04 |
| slimjimflim | gives me that same error | 04:04 |
| slimjimflim | 0.x | 04:04 |
| ScottL | you could use synaptic to see the version number | 04:04 |
| slimjimflim | oh right | 04:04 |
| ScottL | 2) upgrade qjackctl via someones ppa | 04:04 |
| slimjimflim | ppa? | 04:05 |
| ScottL | i have the qjackctl (0.3.6 i think) built in my ppa : https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid | 04:05 |
| ScottL | ppa = personal packaging archives | 04:05 |
| ScottL | mini, personal archives (like the ubuntu ones) but you have to add them to your sources.list file to use them | 04:05 |
| slimjimflim | oic | 04:06 |
| ScottL | BUT, but very, very careful about which ones you use, you never know what what kind of crap they might have and it might bork your system | 04:06 |
| slimjimflim | 0.3.4 | 04:06 |
| slimjimflim | yea | 04:06 |
| ScottL | right, i would suggest reinstallation at the least | 04:06 |
| slimjimflim | i don't think that necessarily reinstalled when i reinstalled jack | 04:07 |
| slimjimflim | not sure | 04:07 |
| slimjimflim | no dice | 04:07 |
| ScottL | then perhaps upgrading to 0.3.6 because it has "full dbussification" : see http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/192?page=1 | 04:07 |
| ScottL | the quotes are taken from that link and it's their silly word :P | 04:08 |
| slimjimflim | heh | 04:08 |
| slimjimflim | should i just install from source? | 04:08 |
| ScottL | you certainly can if you feel apt at packaging (heh, sorry for the pun) | 04:09 |
| ScottL | some prefer to do that | 04:09 |
| ScottL | others don't bother and use ppa's | 04:09 |
| ScottL | i would suggest either mine at the moment | 04:09 |
| ScottL | i would suggest someone's named falktx but i think he built his against jack2 | 04:09 |
| ScottL | which is not available in the official archives yet | 04:10 |
| ScottL | it might be in the development one for maverick, but even then not sure | 04:10 |
| slimjimflim | can you link me to the repo? | 04:10 |
| ScottL | well, i guess packaging is not the right word, but if you are comfortable building from source then certainly | 04:11 |
| ScottL | https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid | 04:11 |
| slimjimflim | i'd rather use a package | 04:11 |
| ScottL | there is a section named 'Adding this PPA to your system' that will be helpful enabling the ppa | 04:12 |
| ScottL | on that page | 04:12 |
| slimjimflim | so just add ppa:slavender/lucid ? | 04:12 |
| ScottL | only when you are using synaptic or software sources from the menu | 04:12 |
| ScottL | don't add the directly to your sources.list ;) | 04:12 |
| slimjimflim | ok brb, gonna reboot | 04:13 |
| ScottL | okay | 04:13 |
| slimjimflim | ScottL: it works | 04:18 |
| ScottL | yay! | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | ty | 04:19 |
| ScottL | i'm very glad to help | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | now that i think about it, nothing you said probably affected it's working | 04:19 |
| ScottL | by the way, if you upgraded to 0.3.6 this will fix two bugs | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | lol | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | i'm dumb | 04:19 |
| ScottL | oh, lol | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | i should have rebooted like 2 hours ago | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | but now i'm a jack expert | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | lol | 04:19 |
| slimjimflim | almost | 04:19 |
| ScottL | hah! that happens ;) | 04:20 |
| ScottL | did you reinstall? upgrade? | 04:20 |
| slimjimflim | no | 04:20 |
| slimjimflim | well i reinstalled | 04:20 |
| slimjimflim | but i think it did that before when i reinstalled jack | 04:20 |
| slimjimflim | whew | 04:20 |
| ScottL | then i will tell you about one particular bug in qjackctl-0.3.4 that you may notice (most do) | 04:21 |
| slimjimflim | resolved | 04:21 |
| slimjimflim | that frekin sucked though | 04:21 |
| slimjimflim | heeyyyy and jack works now too | 04:21 |
| slimjimflim | sweet | 04:21 |
| ScottL | if you are using ardour and create a track and then rename the track you will not be able to use qjackctl to connect to the renamed track | 04:21 |
| slimjimflim | now i can run ardour!! | 04:21 |
| ScottL | for qjackctl-0.3.4 it does not handle renamed ports | 04:22 |
| slimjimflim | hmm lemme try | 04:22 |
| slimjimflim | how do you name/rename a track? | 04:25 |
| ScottL | left click on the name in ardour i believe and it will highlight | 04:25 |
| ScottL | just type then | 04:25 |
| ScottL | you may not be able to rename the master track however | 04:25 |
| ScottL | you can always right click below the master track to create a new one (it will be named 'audio1') | 04:26 |
| slimjimflim | i renamed it | 04:26 |
| slimjimflim | is the bug that it doesn't play? | 04:26 |
| slimjimflim | i didn't connect the mic yet | 04:26 |
| ScottL | the bug is if you try to connect to the renamed track in qjackctl | 04:27 |
| ScottL | qjackctl probably will not connect to it | 04:27 |
| slimjimflim | isn't it already conencted? | 04:27 |
| ScottL | look at the 'connection' windows (click the connection button on qjackctl) and under +Ardour you probably will not see the renamed port, rather you probably will see the original track name | 04:28 |
| ScottL | window, not windows | 04:28 |
| ScottL | it is possibly connected already if you had Ardour to automatically connect new tracks | 04:29 |
| slimjimflim | oh yea it's not there | 04:29 |
| ScottL | right | 04:29 |
| ScottL | several ways around this bug: | 04:29 |
| slimjimflim | i renamed master aaa | 04:29 |
| slimjimflim | now i have master/out 1 and master/out 2 | 04:29 |
| slimjimflim | had it before i guess too | 04:30 |
| ScottL | 1) save ardour project, close qjackctl, restart qjackctl and then reload the project...all renamed tracks will be recognized | 04:30 |
| ScottL | at least until they are renamed again | 04:30 |
| ScottL | 2) use patchage to make connections | 04:30 |
| ScottL | 3) upgrade qjackctl to 0.3.6 | 04:30 |
| slimjimflim | meh | 04:30 |
| slimjimflim | this isn't gonna affect me i don't think | 04:31 |
| slimjimflim | but i'll keep it in the back of my mind | 04:31 |
| slimjimflim | i've had about enough jack hacking for one day | 04:31 |
| ScottL | i used patchage for a while until i could research the problem and figure out that the newer version of qjackctl would fix it :) | 04:31 |
| ScottL | i understand ;) | 04:31 |
| slimjimflim | i'm gonna go watch a movie or something | 04:31 |
| slimjimflim | oh | 04:31 |
| slimjimflim | i was gonna ask you | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | do you play an instrument? | 04:32 |
| ScottL | if you need more help ping me directly, especially if you want to move forward on fixing this bug | 04:32 |
| ScottL | yes, i do | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | what? | 04:32 |
| ScottL | guitar, bass, crappy drums | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | heh cool | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | you should definitely idle in #music-theory | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | i can help you w/ that stuff | 04:32 |
| slimjimflim | i play guitar, drums, bass, keys | 04:33 |
| ScottL | http://wirblewind.rpmchallenge.com/ the latest i did (in february) all made with ubuntu studio | 04:33 |
| slimjimflim | i gig out...been in a bunch of bands | 04:33 |
| slimjimflim | now i do jazz | 04:33 |
| ScottL | yeah, i might start idling there to pick up some stuff :) | 04:33 |
| slimjimflim | cool | 04:33 |
| ScottL | oi, time to put the kids down for the night, good night and i wish you well | 04:34 |
| slimjimflim | you can hear me at http://ben-hopps.com | 04:34 |
| ScottL | if you have other problems let us know and well see if we can straighten things out | 04:34 |
| slimjimflim | k later | 04:34 |
| ScottL | i'll check that out tomorrow morning | 04:34 |
| slimjimflim | thanks 1,000,000 | 04:34 |
| ScottL | you are more than welcome, i'm just glad it was resolved | 04:34 |
| holstein | hehe | 04:36 |
| holstein | FEK THE WORLD | 04:36 |
| slimjimflim | hey holstein | 04:37 |
| holstein | hello | 04:37 |
| slimjimflim | i was just gonna go looking for you | 04:37 |
| holstein | SO you got jack auto-starting? | 04:37 |
| holstein | at login? | 04:37 |
| slimjimflim | how much do you think an average bar makes in a night | 04:37 |
| slimjimflim | yes, 10 hours later | 04:37 |
| holstein | slimjimflim: DUDE | 04:37 |
| holstein | dont stat doing that | 04:37 |
| holstein | you'll quit | 04:37 |
| holstein | ;) | 04:38 |
| slimjimflim | doing what? | 04:38 |
| holstein | you get a small percentage | 04:38 |
| holstein | i guarantee | 04:38 |
| slimjimflim | yea | 04:38 |
| holstein | i counted heads a couple shows | 04:38 |
| holstein | i was playing for the door | 04:38 |
| slimjimflim | and they'll probably lie about how much they make | 04:38 |
| holstein | and we got some of the money the door guy was stealing | 04:38 |
| holstein | BUT | 04:38 |
| holstein | i just dont even go there anymore | 04:39 |
| holstein | yup | 04:39 |
| slimjimflim | i just got an offer in an email to do a gig like that | 04:39 |
| holstein | a bar owner is not going to be home doing the books | 04:39 |
| holstein | and say... | 04:39 |
| slimjimflim | lol | 04:39 |
| holstein | hey, those musicians could use some of this | 04:39 |
| slimjimflim | i know i know | 04:39 |
| slimjimflim | rofl | 04:39 |
| slimjimflim | yea, i'm gonna email him back a price | 04:39 |
| holstein | i just try to get a strong guarantee up front | 04:40 |
| holstein | otherwise | 04:40 |
| slimjimflim | we're probably getting off topic | 04:40 |
| holstein | OH yeah | 04:40 |
| tucemiux | not really | 04:40 |
| holstein | anyhow | 04:40 |
| slimjimflim | k cool | 04:40 |
| tucemiux | nobody mines | 04:40 |
| holstein | i had a hard time with JACK starting at login | 04:40 |
| slimjimflim | yay for non-censorship | 04:40 |
| holstein | hey tucemiux :) | 04:40 |
| tucemiux | plus jussi's getting married so not like he has time to actually come and see whats going on over here | 04:40 |
| slimjimflim | jack is a bitch | 04:40 |
| holstein | can be | 04:41 |
| tucemiux | holstein, what up, how youre doing | 04:41 |
| slimjimflim | i know i've had issues w/ it before | 04:41 |
| holstein | i was looking at falktx's release | 04:41 |
| holstein | kxstudio | 04:41 |
| holstein | and i never got it to 'jive' with my firepod | 04:41 |
| tucemiux | slimjimflim, you need to install the real time kernel, i just reinstalled using an ISO, installed the real time kernel and all's well so far | 04:41 |
| holstein | tucemiux: cool | 04:41 |
| slimjimflim | i don't need to do nothin | 04:41 |
| slimjimflim | it's working | 04:41 |
| slimjimflim | nu-thin | 04:42 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:42 |
| holstein | if you dont need the RT kernel | 04:42 |
| holstein | i wouldnt mess with it | 04:42 |
| tucemiux | whatever's clever matey | 04:42 |
| holstein | i really like it though | 04:42 |
| slimjimflim | what's so great about it? | 04:42 |
| holstein | the RT kernel? | 04:42 |
| holstein | i just get lower latency | 04:42 |
| holstein | its handy with the softsynths | 04:42 |
| slimjimflim | i don't need lower latency | 04:43 |
| slimjimflim | i don't use synths | 04:43 |
| holstein | the sound happens when the key is pressed | 04:43 |
| holstein | instead of later | 04:43 |
| tucemiux | holstein, this is really weird, have you installed lucid using an ISO? I had to install the ubuntu software center manually | 04:43 |
| slimjimflim | w/e | 04:43 |
| holstein | tucemiux: i dont think ubuntustudio come with it | 04:43 |
| holstein | the software center | 04:43 |
| holstein | id have to look | 04:43 |
| holstein | slimjimflim: also, using rakarrack or some other live effects | 04:44 |
| holstein | realtime | 04:44 |
| tucemiux | holstein, the weird thing is i upgraded from karmic to lucid and my "add/remove" applet disappeared and was replaced by that software applet | 04:44 |
| holstein | the RT kernel makes that happen | 04:44 |
| holstein | when i installed lucid from the live CD | 04:45 |
| tucemiux | he doesnt need the real time kernel so it's all good, he's a happy camper and whatever he has suits his needs, he should be fine | 04:45 |
| holstein | i got the software ecnter | 04:45 |
| holstein | center* | 04:45 |
| holstein | and i did the netbook remix the other day | 04:45 |
| holstein | and it had it | 04:45 |
| tucemiux | so continue your story, you were both saying something about a door | 04:45 |
| holstein | OH a cover | 04:46 |
| holstein | door vs flat fee | 04:46 |
| tucemiux | yeah ubuntustudio replaced the "add/remove" with the software center in lucid | 04:46 |
| tucemiux | i can foresee a lot of pumping action in the posterior if you choose option one | 04:46 |
| holstein | i think the clubs tend to slack off too | 04:47 |
| holstein | if they are giving you a percentage | 04:47 |
| holstein | they got no invested interest in the show going well | 04:47 |
| holstein | say, your a big act | 04:48 |
| holstein | and you charge a couple grand | 04:48 |
| holstein | if the club has to come up with that money | 04:48 |
| holstein | they'll usually do something | 04:49 |
| holstein | avertising | 04:49 |
| holstein | whatever | 04:49 |
| holstein | to protect the return on there investment | 04:49 |
| tucemiux | even if they make all the money, i seriously doubt youll get your cut, theyll come up with an excuse not to | 04:50 |
| holstein | but thats a breach of contract | 04:51 |
| holstein | at least you have a little bit of power | 04:51 |
| tucemiux | ahhh so you actually have a contract? | 04:51 |
| holstein | well, technically | 04:51 |
| holstein | you always have a verbal contract | 04:52 |
| tucemiux | LoL | 04:52 |
| holstein | but, sometimes i do paper contracts | 04:52 |
| holstein | if its a private party | 04:52 |
| holstein | but the clubs usually wont sign anything | 04:52 |
| holstein | contract-wise | 04:52 |
| holstein | i did recently say the term 'verbal contract' to a club owner | 04:53 |
| holstein | and he knew i was right | 04:53 |
| holstein | he was talking about changing the time and the money around | 04:53 |
| holstein | right before we wer about to go on | 04:53 |
| holstein | and the band leader wasnt saying anything | 04:54 |
| holstein | when i said 'verbal contract' | 04:54 |
| holstein | he went back inside | 04:54 |
| holstein | and we did what we were contracted to do | 04:54 |
| tucemiux | its kind of hard to enforce a verbal contract though | 04:55 |
| holstein | its hard to enforce a written one too though | 04:55 |
| holstein | it costs money | 04:55 |
| holstein | BUT its good to have something in writing | 04:56 |
| tucemiux | true but then you have evidence | 04:56 |
| tucemiux | so you had witnesses to your verbal contract then | 04:56 |
| holstein | sure | 04:56 |
| holstein | we all were 'there' | 04:57 |
| holstein | the band | 04:57 |
| tucemiux | can we continue your story in osm chat room? this is getting way off topic | 04:57 |
| holstein | and some of his employees were envolved too | 04:57 |
| holstein | tucemiux: YEAH | 04:57 |
| holstein | or #music-theory | 04:57 |
| holstein | i like to see people in this channel though :) | 04:58 |
| Kentrel | Anyone find that timidity just takes up half your CPU when its running in the background? | 10:17 |
| Kentrel | Everytime I notice my CPU at close to 100% I bet its timidity and i'm nearly always right | 10:17 |
| bluenode_alpha | hi, have someone seen this message during ubuntu 10.04 installation? | 11:21 |
| bluenode_alpha | the installer has encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run | 11:22 |
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| vlt | Hello. Can I install ubuntustudio via debootstrap? | 14:15 |
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