[01:04] <slimjimflim> help!! jackd broke my sound!!
[01:05] <slimjimflim> i can't open qjackctl now because of it
[01:05] <slimjimflim> i actually didn't install ubuntu-studio, but i'm hoping someone in here knows what they're talking about
[01:05] <slimjimflim> as opposed to #ubuntu
[02:40] <ScottL> slimjimflim, what did you install that broke your sound?
[03:14] <slimjimflim> ScottL: jackd
[03:25] <ScottL> slimjimflim, you installed jackd?
[03:25] <ScottL> and you could open qjackctl before?
[03:26] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:26] <slimjimflim> i've narrowd it down to this:
[03:26] <slimjimflim> Be aware though automatically starting JACK can cause the daemon (jackd) and/or the GUI (qjackctl) to crash/freeze if device settings change between two sessions (for example, a USB soundcard can get different device numbers across sessions). If so, set the appropriate entry (autolaunch) to 0 in the ~/.jackdrc file, qjackctl should work again.
[03:27] <slimjimflim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration
[03:30] <ScottL> if you were opening (and presumably using) qjackctl then i would be surprised if you didn't have jackd already installed before
[03:30] <ScottL> but nonetheless, if you try to open qjackctl from the menu what happens?
[03:31] <slimjimflim> i've been opening it from cli
[03:31] <slimjimflim> $ qjackctlBus error
[03:31] <slimjimflim> Suspending PulseAudio
[03:31] <slimjimflim> Bus error
[03:31] <slimjimflim> idk what menu you're talking about
[03:32] <slimjimflim> the window doesn't open of course
[03:32] <ScottL> do you have menus at the top of your screen: Applications, Places, System ?
[03:32] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:32] <slimjimflim> xubuntu
[03:32] <slimjimflim> 10.04
[03:32] <ScottL> under Applications can you find Sound&Video ?
[03:33] <slimjimflim> no
[03:33] <slimjimflim> there's no applications
[03:33] <slimjimflim> i have jack control under multimedia
[03:33] <slimjimflim> it doesn't open anything
[03:34] <ScottL> hmmm
[03:34] <ScottL> what command were you using before to start jack from the cli?
[03:34] <slimjimflim> qjackctl
[03:35] <slimjimflim> same as above
[03:36] <slimjimflim> the jackd man page is no help either
[03:36] <slimjimflim> afaik
[03:36] <ScottL> i'm not sure i have an answer but i have some information that might be helpful to someone else to help you
[03:36] <slimjimflim> shhot
[03:36] <slimjimflim> shoot
[03:37] <ScottL> and i'll explain a bit so you really understand (and sorry if I treat you as if you were daft) but I do want you to understand
[03:37] <slimjimflim> it's ok i'm daft
[03:37] <ScottL> ubuntu uses pulse audio for normal audio routing, regular desktop stop
[03:37] <ScottL> stuff     not stop
[03:37] <slimjimflim> right
[03:38] <ScottL> jack is intended for low latency audio, recording and such
[03:38] <slimjimflim> right
[03:38] <ScottL> intrinsically and historically they haven't been designed to work together
[03:39] <ScottL> back in ubuntu hardy, the ubuntu studio devs set up qjackctl to help this
[03:39] <slimjimflim> ok
[03:39] <ScottL> when you call up 'qjackctl' it should actually start a wrapper script instead of the qjackctl.bin
[03:40] <ScottL> the script runs 'pasuspender' (which suspends pulse audio) and then calls the actuall qjackctl.bin
[03:40] <slimjimflim> is there anyway to disassociate jack and pulse?
[03:40] <ScottL> qjackctl.bin = qjackctl binary file (the real applicaiton)
[03:41] <slimjimflim> hmmm that might be useful info
[03:41] <slimjimflim> you mean pauspender?
[03:41] <ScottL> disassociate jack and pulse?  not terribly easily
[03:42] <ScottL> but that is for a gnome desktop
[03:42] <ScottL> i'm not sure about an xfce desktop
[03:42] <slimjimflim> don't worry about that
[03:42] <slimjimflim> i can run anything gnome can
[03:43] <ScottL> well, it's not about running applications, rather it's that the gnome project has dictated that pulse audio is THE sound system for gnome desktops
[03:43] <slimjimflim> as it is for my xfce
[03:43] <ScottL> that's one of the fundamental reasons that ubuntu uses pulse audio
[03:44] <ScottL> since kde uses phonon for sound, pulse isn't really a problem for them :)
[03:44] <slimjimflim> yea, xfce uses pulse just like gnome
[03:44] <ScottL> kxstudio is a respin of ubuntu studio that uses kde and is based purely on jack
[03:44] <ScottL> cutting edge stuff, that
[03:44] <slimjimflim> i'm mortally afraid of jack now
[03:44] <slimjimflim> i want nothing to do with it
[03:45] <ScottL> you might also try the ubuntu forums under ubuntu studio for answers also, there are some really knowledgeable people there
[03:45] <slimjimflim> k
[03:45] <ScottL> particurlaly mulan (or something like that, perhaps mulin) and autostatic
[03:45] <ScottL> google search is also your friend (even if they steal your wifi)
[03:45] <slimjimflim> lol
[03:45] <slimjimflim> steal my wifi?
[03:45] <ScottL> even if they steal your wifi = bad joke
[03:46] <slimjimflim> how do they do that?
[03:46] <ScottL> use google to search google + wifi and you will see the news about it
[03:46] <ScottL> but i would start with the forums and i seem to remember bus errors before
[03:47] <slimjimflim> k, thanks
[03:47] <slimjimflim> you're about the only person who had a clue i've talked to about this yet
[03:47] <slimjimflim> in the last ~6 hrs
[03:48] <slimjimflim> i think pasuspender might just be my ticket
[03:48] <ScottL> well, there are some truly brilliant people around, but usually they are rather busy doing other stuff and sometimes hard to catch
[03:49] <ScottL> you might also check at #opensourcemusicians, some really experienced people there also
[03:49] <slimjimflim> oh i forgot about that one
[03:49] <ScottL> especially holstein (who frequents here pretty regularly helping peole)
[03:49] <slimjimflim> oh i'm good friends w/ him
[03:49] <ScottL> metric tonnes of helpful knowledge there
[03:49] <slimjimflim> btw, check out #music-theory some time
[03:49] <slimjimflim> that's my channel
[03:50] <slimjimflim> holstein and i are always in there teaching theory
[03:50] <ScottL> yeah, that makes sense, i've seen him talking about it :)
[03:50] <slimjimflim> jazz ftw
[03:50] <ScottL> i keep seeing people typing 'ftw' but i don't think others think what i think it means, what do you think it means?
[03:51] <slimjimflim> for the win?
[03:51] <slimjimflim> what do you think it means?
[03:51] <ScottL> ahhh,  fek the world
[03:51] <slimjimflim> lol
[03:51] <slimjimflim> no
[03:51] <ScottL> but fek is not really the right word :)
[03:52] <slimjimflim> what, not allowed to cuss in here?
[03:52] <ScottL> i prefer not to even if it is allowed
[03:52] <slimjimflim> fekin censorship
[03:52] <ScottL> lol
[03:52] <slimjimflim> my channel is completely uncensored
[03:52] <ScottL> but your definition certainly fits the context better when i have seen it used
[03:52] <slimjimflim> yes
[03:53] <ScottL> oh, i believe this channel is uncensored but again, i choose not to
[03:53] <slimjimflim> k
[03:54] <ScottL> oh, do you have dbus installed ?   this may be the reason for your problem
[03:54] <slimjimflim> no
[03:54]  * slimjimflim installs
[03:55] <slimjimflim> oh
[03:56] <slimjimflim> i have qdbuss
[03:58] <ScottL> just a minute, looking something up
[03:58] <ScottL> you should look for this file:  /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[03:59] <ScottL> make sure it has the following lines (or something similar):
[03:59] <ScottL> @audio - rtprio 99
[03:59] <ScottL> @audio - memlock unlimited
[03:59] <slimjimflim> ya i did that already
[04:00] <ScottL> is this in the audio.conf file or the limits.conf file?
[04:01] <slimjimflim> audio.conf
[04:01] <ScottL> and you probably should log out afterwards to make sure it takes effect
[04:01] <slimjimflim> i did
[04:01] <ScottL> hmmm, i'm running out of suggestions then
[04:01] <slimjimflim> it's all good
[04:01] <ScottL> although i did find a bug that says it's something to do with how pulse audio handles memory (but only effects select people)
[04:02] <ScottL> you are using a USB audio card right?
[04:02] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna play with pasuspender
[04:02] <slimjimflim> no
[04:02] <ScottL> on board audio or is it a pci card?
[04:02] <slimjimflim> onboard
[04:03] <ScottL> which version of qjackctl were you using ?    if you know
[04:03] <ScottL> i have two more suggestions for you:
[04:04] <ScottL> 1) reinstall jackd and qjackctl, sometimes this fixes some problems
[04:04] <slimjimflim> it won't tell me
[04:04] <slimjimflim> gives me that same error
[04:04] <slimjimflim> 0.x
[04:04] <ScottL> you could use synaptic to see the version number
[04:04] <slimjimflim> oh right
[04:04] <ScottL> 2) upgrade qjackctl via someones ppa
[04:05] <slimjimflim> ppa?
[04:05] <ScottL> i have the qjackctl (0.3.6 i think) built in my ppa :  https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid
[04:05] <ScottL> ppa = personal packaging archives
[04:05] <ScottL> mini, personal archives (like the ubuntu ones) but you have to add them to your sources.list file to use them
[04:06] <slimjimflim> oic
[04:06] <ScottL> BUT, but very, very careful about which ones you use, you never know what what kind of crap they might have and it might bork your system
[04:06] <slimjimflim> 0.3.4
[04:06] <slimjimflim> yea
[04:06] <ScottL> right, i would suggest reinstallation at the least
[04:07] <slimjimflim> i don't think that necessarily reinstalled when i reinstalled jack
[04:07] <slimjimflim> not sure
[04:07] <slimjimflim> no dice
[04:07] <ScottL> then perhaps upgrading to 0.3.6 because it has "full dbussification" : see http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/192?page=1
[04:08] <ScottL> the quotes are taken from that link and it's their silly word :P
[04:08] <slimjimflim> heh
[04:08] <slimjimflim> should i just install from source?
[04:09] <ScottL> you certainly can if you feel apt at packaging (heh, sorry for the pun)
[04:09] <ScottL> some prefer to do that
[04:09] <ScottL> others don't bother and use ppa's
[04:09] <ScottL> i would suggest either mine at the moment
[04:09] <ScottL> i would suggest someone's named falktx but i think he built his against jack2
[04:10] <ScottL> which is not available in the official archives yet
[04:10] <ScottL> it might be in the development one for maverick, but even then not sure
[04:10] <slimjimflim> can you link me to the repo?
[04:11] <ScottL> well, i guess packaging is not the right word, but if you are comfortable building from source then certainly
[04:11] <ScottL> https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid
[04:11] <slimjimflim> i'd rather use a package
[04:12] <ScottL> there is a section named 'Adding this PPA to your system' that will be helpful enabling the ppa
[04:12] <ScottL> on that page
[04:12] <slimjimflim> so just add ppa:slavender/lucid ?
[04:12] <ScottL> only when you are using synaptic or software sources from the menu
[04:12] <ScottL> don't add the directly to your sources.list ;)
[04:13] <slimjimflim> ok brb, gonna reboot
[04:13] <ScottL> okay
[04:18] <slimjimflim> ScottL: it works
[04:19] <ScottL> yay!
[04:19] <slimjimflim> ty
[04:19] <ScottL> i'm very glad to help
[04:19] <slimjimflim> now that i think about it, nothing you said probably affected it's working
[04:19] <ScottL> by the way, if you upgraded to 0.3.6 this will fix two bugs
[04:19] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> i'm dumb
[04:19] <ScottL> oh, lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> i should have rebooted like 2 hours ago
[04:19] <slimjimflim> but now i'm a jack expert
[04:19] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:19] <slimjimflim> almost
[04:20] <ScottL> hah!  that happens ;)
[04:20] <ScottL> did you reinstall?  upgrade?
[04:20] <slimjimflim> no
[04:20] <slimjimflim> well i reinstalled
[04:20] <slimjimflim> but i think it did that before when i reinstalled jack
[04:20] <slimjimflim> whew
[04:21] <ScottL> then i will tell you about one particular bug in qjackctl-0.3.4 that you may notice (most do)
[04:21] <slimjimflim> resolved
[04:21] <slimjimflim> that frekin sucked though
[04:21] <slimjimflim> heeyyyy and jack works now too
[04:21] <slimjimflim> sweet
[04:21] <ScottL> if you are using ardour and create a track and then rename the track you will not be able to use qjackctl to connect to the renamed track
[04:21] <slimjimflim> now i can run ardour!!
[04:22] <ScottL> for qjackctl-0.3.4 it does not handle renamed ports
[04:22] <slimjimflim> hmm lemme try
[04:25] <slimjimflim> how do you name/rename a track?
[04:25] <ScottL> left click on the name in ardour i believe and it will highlight
[04:25] <ScottL> just type then
[04:25] <ScottL> you may not be able to rename the master track however
[04:26] <ScottL> you can always right click below the master track to create a new one (it will be named 'audio1')
[04:26] <slimjimflim> i renamed it
[04:26] <slimjimflim> is the bug that it doesn't play?
[04:26] <slimjimflim> i didn't connect the mic yet
[04:27] <ScottL> the bug is if you try to connect to the renamed track in qjackctl
[04:27] <ScottL> qjackctl probably will not connect to it
[04:27] <slimjimflim> isn't it already conencted?
[04:28] <ScottL> look at the 'connection' windows (click the connection button on qjackctl) and under +Ardour you probably will not see the renamed port, rather you probably will see the original track name
[04:28] <ScottL> window, not windows
[04:29] <ScottL> it is possibly connected already if you had Ardour to automatically connect new tracks
[04:29] <slimjimflim> oh yea it's not there
[04:29] <ScottL> right
[04:29] <ScottL> several ways around this bug:
[04:29] <slimjimflim> i renamed master aaa
[04:29] <slimjimflim> now i have master/out 1 and master/out 2
[04:30] <slimjimflim> had it before i guess too
[04:30] <ScottL> 1) save ardour project, close qjackctl, restart qjackctl and then reload the project...all renamed tracks will be recognized
[04:30] <ScottL> at least until they are renamed again
[04:30] <ScottL> 2) use patchage to make connections
[04:30] <ScottL> 3) upgrade qjackctl to 0.3.6
[04:30] <slimjimflim> meh
[04:31] <slimjimflim> this isn't gonna affect me i don't think
[04:31] <slimjimflim> but i'll keep it in the back of my mind
[04:31] <slimjimflim> i've had about enough jack hacking for one day
[04:31] <ScottL> i used patchage for a while until i could research the problem and figure out that the newer version of qjackctl would fix it :)
[04:31] <ScottL> i understand ;)
[04:31] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna go watch a movie or something
[04:31] <slimjimflim> oh
[04:32] <slimjimflim> i was gonna ask you
[04:32] <slimjimflim> do you play an instrument?
[04:32] <ScottL> if you need more help ping me directly, especially if you want to move forward on fixing this bug
[04:32] <ScottL> yes, i do
[04:32] <slimjimflim> what?
[04:32] <ScottL> guitar, bass, crappy drums
[04:32] <slimjimflim> heh cool
[04:32] <slimjimflim> you should definitely idle in #music-theory
[04:32] <slimjimflim> i can help you w/ that stuff
[04:33] <slimjimflim> i play guitar, drums, bass, keys
[04:33] <ScottL> http://wirblewind.rpmchallenge.com/   the latest i did (in february) all made with ubuntu studio
[04:33] <slimjimflim> i gig out...been in a bunch of bands
[04:33] <slimjimflim> now i do jazz
[04:33] <ScottL> yeah, i might start idling there to pick up some stuff :)
[04:33] <slimjimflim> cool
[04:34] <ScottL> oi, time to put the kids down for the night, good night and i wish you well
[04:34] <slimjimflim> you can hear me at http://ben-hopps.com
[04:34] <ScottL> if you have other problems let us know and well see if we can straighten things out
[04:34] <slimjimflim> k later
[04:34] <ScottL> i'll check that out tomorrow morning
[04:34] <slimjimflim> thanks 1,000,000
[04:34] <ScottL> you are more than welcome, i'm just glad it was resolved
[04:36] <holstein> hehe
[04:36] <holstein> FEK THE WORLD
[04:37] <slimjimflim> hey holstein
[04:37] <holstein> hello
[04:37] <slimjimflim> i was just gonna go looking for you
[04:37] <holstein> SO you got jack auto-starting?
[04:37] <holstein> at login?
[04:37] <slimjimflim> how much do you think an average bar makes in a night
[04:37] <slimjimflim> yes, 10 hours later
[04:37] <holstein> slimjimflim: DUDE
[04:37] <holstein> dont stat doing that
[04:37] <holstein> you'll quit
[04:38] <holstein> ;)
[04:38] <slimjimflim> doing what?
[04:38] <holstein> you get a small percentage
[04:38] <holstein> i guarantee
[04:38] <slimjimflim> yea
[04:38] <holstein> i counted heads a couple shows
[04:38] <holstein> i was playing for the door
[04:38] <slimjimflim> and they'll probably lie about how much they make
[04:38] <holstein> and we got some of the money the door guy was stealing
[04:38] <holstein> BUT
[04:39] <holstein> i just dont even go there anymore
[04:39] <holstein> yup
[04:39] <slimjimflim> i just got an offer in an email to do a gig like that
[04:39] <holstein> a bar owner is not going to be home doing the books
[04:39] <holstein> and say...
[04:39] <slimjimflim> lol
[04:39] <holstein> hey, those musicians could use some of this
[04:39] <slimjimflim> i know i know
[04:39] <slimjimflim> rofl
[04:39] <slimjimflim> yea, i'm gonna email him back a price
[04:40] <holstein> i just try to get a strong guarantee up front
[04:40] <holstein> otherwise
[04:40] <slimjimflim> we're probably getting off topic
[04:40] <holstein> OH yeah
[04:40] <tucemiux> not really
[04:40] <holstein> anyhow
[04:40] <slimjimflim> k cool
[04:40] <tucemiux> nobody mines
[04:40] <holstein> i had a hard time with JACK starting at login
[04:40] <slimjimflim> yay for non-censorship
[04:40] <holstein> hey tucemiux :)
[04:40] <tucemiux> plus jussi's getting married so not like he has time to actually come and see whats going on over here
[04:40] <slimjimflim> jack is a bitch
[04:41] <holstein> can be
[04:41] <tucemiux> holstein, what up, how youre doing
[04:41] <slimjimflim> i know i've had issues w/ it before
[04:41] <holstein> i was looking at falktx's release
[04:41] <holstein> kxstudio
[04:41] <holstein> and i never got it to 'jive' with my firepod
[04:41] <tucemiux> slimjimflim, you need to install the real time kernel, i just reinstalled using an ISO, installed the real time kernel and all's well so far
[04:41] <holstein> tucemiux: cool
[04:41] <slimjimflim> i don't need to do nothin
[04:41] <slimjimflim> it's working
[04:42] <slimjimflim> nu-thin
[04:42] <holstein> yeah
[04:42] <holstein> if you dont need the RT kernel
[04:42] <holstein> i wouldnt mess with it
[04:42] <tucemiux> whatever's clever matey
[04:42] <holstein> i really like it though
[04:42] <slimjimflim> what's so great about it?
[04:42] <holstein> the RT kernel?
[04:42] <holstein> i just get lower latency
[04:42] <holstein> its handy with the softsynths
[04:43] <slimjimflim> i don't need lower latency
[04:43] <slimjimflim> i don't use synths
[04:43] <holstein> the sound happens when the key is pressed
[04:43] <holstein> instead of later
[04:43] <tucemiux> holstein, this is really weird, have you installed lucid using an ISO?  I had to install the ubuntu software center manually
[04:43] <slimjimflim> w/e
[04:43] <holstein> tucemiux: i dont think ubuntustudio come with it
[04:43] <holstein> the software center
[04:43] <holstein> id have to look
[04:44] <holstein> slimjimflim: also, using rakarrack or some other live effects
[04:44] <holstein> realtime
[04:44] <tucemiux> holstein, the weird thing is i upgraded from karmic to lucid and my "add/remove" applet disappeared and was replaced by that software applet
[04:44] <holstein> the RT kernel makes that happen
[04:45] <holstein> when i installed lucid from the live CD
[04:45] <tucemiux> he doesnt need the real time kernel so it's all good, he's a happy camper and whatever he has suits his needs, he should be fine
[04:45] <holstein> i got the software ecnter
[04:45] <holstein> center*
[04:45] <holstein> and i did the netbook remix the other day
[04:45] <holstein> and it had it
[04:45] <tucemiux> so continue your story, you were both saying something about a door
[04:46] <holstein> OH a cover
[04:46] <holstein> door vs flat fee
[04:46] <tucemiux> yeah ubuntustudio replaced the "add/remove" with the software center in lucid
[04:46] <tucemiux> i can foresee a lot of pumping action in the posterior if you choose option one
[04:47] <holstein> i think the clubs tend to slack off too
[04:47] <holstein> if they are giving you a percentage
[04:47] <holstein> they got no invested interest in the show going well
[04:48] <holstein> say, your a big act
[04:48] <holstein> and you charge a couple grand
[04:48] <holstein> if the club has to come up with that money
[04:49] <holstein> they'll usually do something
[04:49] <holstein> avertising
[04:49] <holstein> whatever
[04:49] <holstein> to protect the return on there investment
[04:50] <tucemiux> even if they make all the money, i seriously doubt youll get your cut, theyll come up with an excuse not to
[04:51] <holstein> but thats a breach of contract
[04:51] <holstein> at least you have a little bit of power
[04:51] <tucemiux> ahhh so you actually have a contract?
[04:51] <holstein> well, technically
[04:52] <holstein> you always have a verbal contract
[04:52] <tucemiux> LoL
[04:52] <holstein> but, sometimes i do paper contracts
[04:52] <holstein> if its a private party
[04:52] <holstein> but the clubs usually wont sign anything
[04:52] <holstein> contract-wise
[04:53] <holstein> i did recently say the term 'verbal contract' to a club owner
[04:53] <holstein> and he knew i was right
[04:53] <holstein> he was talking about changing the time and the money around
[04:53] <holstein> right before we wer about to go on
[04:54] <holstein> and the band leader wasnt saying anything
[04:54] <holstein> when i said 'verbal contract'
[04:54] <holstein> he went back inside
[04:54] <holstein> and we did what we were contracted to do
[04:55] <tucemiux> its kind of hard to enforce a verbal contract though
[04:55] <holstein> its hard to enforce a written one too though
[04:55] <holstein> it costs money
[04:56] <holstein> BUT its good to have something in writing
[04:56] <tucemiux> true but then you have evidence
[04:56] <tucemiux> so you had witnesses to your verbal contract then
[04:56] <holstein> sure
[04:57] <holstein> we all were 'there'
[04:57] <holstein> the band
[04:57] <tucemiux> can we continue your story in osm chat room? this is getting way off topic
[04:57] <holstein> and some of his employees were envolved too
[04:57] <holstein> tucemiux: YEAH
[04:57] <holstein> or #music-theory
[04:58] <holstein> i like to see people in this channel though :)
[10:17] <Kentrel> Anyone find that timidity just takes up half your CPU when its running in the background?
[10:17] <Kentrel> Everytime I notice my CPU at close to 100% I bet its timidity and i'm nearly always right
[11:21] <bluenode_alpha> hi, have someone seen this message during ubuntu 10.04 installation?
[11:22] <bluenode_alpha> the installer has encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run
[14:15] <vlt> Hello. Can I install ubuntustudio via debootstrap?