[00:00] <crimsun_> nixternal: got time for a query?
[00:03] <nixternal> crimsun_: always have time
[00:40] <bdrung> can someone confirm the statements in bug #589898? is the doc in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> yes
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> debian used to put in kde4/HTML, but now they've switched to kde/ like us
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> bdrung: ^
[00:58] <bdrung_> JontheEchidna: and the symlinks stuff?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> bdrung_: all accurate
[00:59] <bdrung_> JontheEchidna: thanks. the sync request is fine then
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> bdrung_: yup, I thought I had ack'd that one, too. Must have not gone through or something.
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> thanks for taking care of it
[01:01] <bdrung_> np
[01:22] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: is there a workaround for bug #586497
[01:22] <claydoh> trying to help on the mailing list
[01:23] <ScottK> claydoh: The only one I know of is uninstall kpackagekit.
[01:25] <claydoh> ScottK: so it fixed this for you I assume?
[01:26] <ScottK> claydoh: As far as I know.
[01:26] <ScottK> That also, of course, also removed the thing that told me they were being installed.
[01:28] <ScottK> claydoh: It looks like it does.  I have uninstalled security updates.
[01:28]  * ScottK fixes that.
[01:31] <claydoh> kool, quassel tray icon flashes a kmail icon overlayed on it, funky 
[01:31] <claydoh> thanks ScottK
[01:32] <ScottK> claydoh: Then if you click on it, it will take to you the channel you were highlighted from.
[01:33] <claydoh> yeah, never noticed the kmail icon tho before :)
[01:34] <ScottK> That's new in Lucid.
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Programming or Computer Security?
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> trying to figure out my major at ITT Tech
[01:42] <claydoh> both :)
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> Navy will only pay for me to take one of them.
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> and seeing that it will cost me no $$....
[02:56] <ScottK> Lucid SRU? http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4250/diff/#index_header
[05:57] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, if anyone is listening... WebKit HATES WordPress backend. Will not post to WP.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> Well, more spisificly Rekonq
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> specifically  
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> Ouch, I need sleep
[06:56] <Quintasan|Szel> urgh
[06:56] <Quintasan|Szel> few days left
[06:57] <Quintasan|Szel> CAE exam tomorrow and on 19th and I
[06:57] <Quintasan|Szel> I' free*
[07:23] <jussi> hrm, anyone know if scanlite has an irc channel?
[08:45] <apachelogger> good morning kubuntu o/
[08:48] <jussi> morning apachelogger
[09:12] <Riddell> good morning harald and kubuntu
[09:13] <jussi> o/ Riddell
[09:16] <Riddell> jussi: am I ok to come to yours on july 1st?
[09:16] <jussi> Riddell: Absolutely!
[09:17] <Riddell> how do I get there from Tampere airport?
[09:17] <jussi> Riddell: you are aware its about a 5hour trip?
[09:18] <jussi> but bus to the trainstation (ryanair bus) and then train to Oulu
[09:18] <Riddell> 5 hours?  I'll need a sauna after that
[09:18] <jussi> no problems!
[09:18] <jussi> we have an awesome sauna, wood fired. :)
[09:19] <Riddell> doesn't it get smokey?
[09:19] <jussi> no. it has a chimney...
[09:19] <jussi> :D
[09:24] <jussi> ours is a little different, but along the lines of this: http://www.cedarbarrelsaunas.com/images/facts/1164688105vcvc.jpg
[09:25] <jussi> Riddell: in anycase, you are more than welcome :)
[09:25]  * jussi goes to grab luch
[09:25] <jussi> lunch even
[09:57] <ghostcube> o/
[10:04] <Riddell> yay, kde4libs building on armel
[10:07] <jussi> \o/
[10:08] <jussi> hrm, it would be very cool to have the quick access plasmoid functionality integrated into lancelot... :D
[10:17] <jussi> I had an idea. I dont know how it would be implemented, but it would be cool if we could somehow have a "packages related to" part in kpackagekit. so if you looked at gwenview, it would give you kipi-plugins etc. 
[10:18]  * jussi wonders what fluffymaster thinks
[10:18] <Riddell> "people who installed gwenview also installed kipi-plugins"
[10:19] <agateau> isn't that what "Recommends" is for?
[10:19] <jussi> yeah, perhaps... 
[10:19]  * fluffymaster notes that people will not care what people do :P
[10:19] <jussi> agateau: the normal user doesnt know about recommends
[10:19] <fluffymaster> "Matt installed gwenview and also installed kipi-plugins."
[10:20] <fluffymaster> that is of course in case I know matt and matt knows me and we are friends and stuff
[10:20] <jussi> agateau: putting recommends somewhere obvious might be helpful
[10:20] <fluffymaster> recommends are installed automagically
[10:20] <jussi> fluffymaster: it could just use popcon
[10:20] <fluffymaster> Suggests are not :)
[10:20] <jussi> err, yeah, suggests is what I was talking about
[10:20] <jussi> ;D
[10:20] <fluffymaster> jussi: -*- fluffymaster notes that people will not care what people do :P
[10:21] <fluffymaster> also popcorn is but a limited fraction of users
[10:21] <jussi> fluffymaster: aactually people care...
[10:21] <fluffymaster> and whats worse, it is those users that actually found the setting to turn popcorn on
[10:21] <fluffymaster> so it also got limited importance IMHO
[10:21] <jussi> the fact is half the time there is cool functionality that can be added to a program and people often dont find it
[10:21] <jussi> like kipi plugins...
[10:22] <fluffymaster> jussi: and having usage data from a bunch of geeks will help with that :P
[10:22] <agateau> jussi: I recommend trying kapti :)
[10:22] <agateau> which shows recommend as clickable links
[10:22] <jussi> fluffymaster: it likely will, because the geeks use the cool stuff
[10:22] <fluffymaster> hm
[10:22] <jussi> agateau: kapti?
[10:23] <fluffymaster> jussi: look at the stats and say that again :P
[10:23] <fluffymaster> anyhow
[10:23] <jussi> haha
[10:23] <fluffymaster> a) our gwenview package is bonkers
[10:23] <fluffymaster> it does neither suggest nor recommend kipi-plugins
[10:23] <jussi> o.O
[10:23] <fluffymaster> b) kpk indeed needs to present suggests a bit better
[10:23] <agateau> jussi: http://gitorious.org/kapti/pages/Home
[10:23] <jussi> in anycase, making it easier for people to find cool extra stuff is a plus!
[10:23] <fluffymaster> b.a) b) raises the issue of how to do this with packages like kile which got a billion billion recommends, suggests, depends, breaks...
[10:25] <agateau> jussi: would love to get your feedback on kapti btw :)
[10:26] <jussi> agateau: sure. /me turns on newbie mode
[10:26] <jussi> agateau: needs to hide several bits of information maybe use little +'s
[10:27] <jussi> and hide recomends and depends by default
[10:27] <jussi> agateau: as Im sure you know, some prettifying would go a long way
[10:27] <agateau> good point
[10:28] <agateau> sure :)
[10:28] <agateau> I was mostly interested in the interaction here
[10:28] <agateau> I find it quite nice to click a recommend, read about it, maybe install it, and click "Back" to return to the original package
[10:28] <jussi> and the first page it would be nice to have categories - maybe using the "section"
[10:29] <jussi> so you can "browse"
[10:29] <agateau> yes
[10:29] <agateau> it only does search for now :/
[10:30] <jussi> also, have some way to toggle between "all packages" and "programs" (eliminating libs etc)
[10:30] <agateau> good idea
[10:31] <agateau> maybe list programs first, then lists, with a separators
[10:31] <agateau> *separator
[10:31] <agateau> so that there is no need to toggle anything
[10:31] <jussi> maybe - but you need to keep the interface clean, or new people's heads will explode...
[10:32] <agateau> that's why I want to avoid too many toggles and options
[10:32] <vish> hi  , I'm not sure of the workflow in kubuntu , Bug 506945 might be closed i supposed
[10:33] <jussi> agateau: Id suggest the "programs only" mode by default and just have an "advanced mode". roll a few things into one.
[10:34] <agateau> jussi: I don't plan to work a lot on this though, I initially did this as an experiment, hoping to sparkle some ideas for KPK
[10:34] <jussi> but this is nice because its !fast!
[10:34] <jussi> agateau: sure - Im just giving feadback as to ways that would help me explain to my fiancee for example. 
[10:34] <agateau> jussi: I see we have similar target users :)
[10:35] <jussi> thats how I think about it with new people - can I explain this to my fiancee :D
[10:35] <agateau> :)
[10:36] <jussi> agateau: Ill offer more feedback as we go along
[10:36] <agateau> jussi: thanks
[10:43] <fluffymaster> agateau: could you or conor or both of you get back on aseigo's suggestions regarding soundindicator?
[10:44] <agateau> fluffymaster: where did he made such suggestions?
[10:44] <fluffymaster> agateau: in the thread I started some weeks ago
[10:44] <fluffymaster> agateau: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-May/004413.html
[10:44] <fluffymaster> should also have been CCd to ayatana IIRC
[10:45] <agateau> oh this one
[10:45] <agateau> it's a bit late to answer I think
[10:46] <fluffymaster> *shrug*
[10:46] <agateau> ronoc is busy setting up a shared place for devs to discuss
[10:46] <agateau> and will be inviting kde devs to join this new list when it's ready
[10:46] <agateau> should be more appropriate than kubuntu-devel
[10:52] <fluffymaster> agateau: isnt that what the xdg list is for?
[10:52] <agateau> fluffymaster: it's hard to get something productive out of xdg
[10:53] <agateau> fluffymaster: I think a list more focused on the subject is better
[10:53]  * jussi sighs
[10:53] <fluffymaster> hm
[10:53] <jussi> why can I find a program that does simple stuff easily... like crop to a circle shape :/
[10:53] <fluffymaster> that is not simple :P
[10:54] <fluffymaster> agateau: the subject being the soundmenu?
[10:54] <agateau> yes, and maybe mpris?
[10:55] <fluffymaster> well, is there that much too discuss, because creating a list for every new thingy seems a bit over the top *shrug*
[10:56] <agateau> it's also about reducing noise
[10:56] <agateau> I must confess I stopped reading xdg long ago
[10:57] <agateau> If I were a music app developer, I would rather read a list about soundmenu and mpris I think
[10:57] <fluffymaster> mailig lists are a bit of an undynamic media :)
[10:57] <fluffymaster> agateau: then again you can get easily fragmented and people will have to subscribe to a billion lists
[11:00] <agateau> yes, mailing lists suck a bit, but that's the best we have :/
[11:00] <agateau> what's better a billion lists, or one list with a billion topics?
[11:01] <fluffymaster> none IMHO, unfortunately we are short on options :/
[11:01] <agateau> indeed :/
[11:01] <fluffymaster> anyhow, back to programming a nethack clone ^^
[11:02] <agateau> a pink one, I presume
[11:03] <fluffymaster> hm, I didnt think of that ... it is for a university assignment ... pink certainly could get me bonus points I suppose :D
[11:06] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: could you add a test case to bug 529562 , then I can test and get it approved
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: how's that linphone MIR coming?
[11:40] <Trouble> Something about the desktop effects in 4.5 beta 4 really make my desktop crawl :-/
[11:41] <ScottK> Trouble: That's a bit odd since we're on beta 2.
[11:43] <jussi> Trouble: I have that in beta 2...
[11:44] <Trouble> lol beta 4, oops
[11:45] <Trouble> I've hurt my finger doing DIY and it's going all over the place
[11:45] <jussi> haha
[11:45] <Trouble> jussi: good to know. No flashy effects until beta 3 :-p
[11:45] <jussi> Trouble: do you use lancelot?
[11:45] <Trouble> No 'fraid not
[11:46] <jussi> Trouble: would you mind installing it for a min to test something for me?
[11:47] <jussi> basically, on my machine, the highlight lags behind where the mouse is - want to see if thats across most machines
[11:48] <Trouble> Sure!
[11:48] <Trouble> Give me a min
[11:48] <jussi> no probs!
[11:49] <Trouble> Yea, extremely laggy!
[11:49] <Trouble> Even with desktop effects off (which improved the performance generally in KDE)
[11:50] <jussi> right, so its not just me then...
[11:50] <Trouble> How frustrating
[11:53] <Trouble> Actually disabling desktop effects only makes the generally performance better, everything is still laggy
[11:53] <Trouble> But Lancelot was particularily laggy
[11:55] <Trouble> Ahh now I've had a chance to check my processes Xorg is eating up all my CPU
[11:56] <Trouble> Tho' curiously my CPU graph in the task bar doesn't show thois
[11:57] <Trouble> re-re-boot...
[12:00] <Trouble> Right, let's test Lancelot again
[12:01] <Trouble> jussi: Lancelot is actually fine now
[12:01] <jussi> Trouble: what did you do?
[12:02] <Trouble> But it was particularily laggy (more laggy than the rest of KDE) when Xorg was eating up all available CPU ;-)
[12:02] <Trouble> I rebooted
[12:02] <jussi> laggy all the time for me
[12:02] <Trouble> I've had some wa
[12:02] <Trouble> Stupid hurting finger
[12:03] <Trouble> I've had some warning about compositing being temporaily disabled since installing beta 2, so earlier I disabled desktop effects completely, but just noticed Xorg was using all CPU
[12:04] <Trouble> Compositing and graphical performance was working fine in 4.4
[12:04] <Trouble> jussi: You got desktop effects on?
[12:04] <jussi> no
[12:05] <jussi> not on this machine, but its same at home with them on
[12:06] <Trouble> :-(
[12:33]  * fregl wonders where to start investigating when acpi and hal both report no current battery charge state
[12:47] <Riddell> fregl: linux
[12:48] <fregl> Riddell: yeah... I'm currently browsing linux-acpi mailing lists and may file a kernel bug... bah
[12:48]  * fregl hugs Riddell :)
[12:51] <Riddell> mm, now I feel all loved
[12:59] <fregl> dude, you should ;)
[13:02] <Riddell> Sime_: chap on kde-devel mailing list with a Python query
[13:15]  * Riddell notes the xscreensaver packaging has been rejigged again and kscreensaver will need tofollow
[13:19] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: havent gotten to it yet,will do it now :)
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> agateau: plingy
[13:26] <fluffymaster> o/
[13:26] <fluffymaster> I am back
[13:30] <fluffymaster> and there I go again ^^
[13:33] <agateau> JontheEchidna: plongy
[13:33] <agateau> JontheEchidna: just saw your mail about kapti c++!
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> agateau: :D
[13:33] <agateau> JontheEchidna: haven't had the time to try it yet
[13:33] <agateau> :/
[13:34] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I guess I will need to build libqapt at some point
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> Please poke around with it if you do, and see if the library is usable
[13:35] <agateau> JontheEchidna: is libqapt packaged somewhere already?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> it can't get a list of depends or recommends yet, only reverse-depends. Still on the todo
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> agateau: On my ppa, but I need to update it
[13:35] <agateau> ah ok, yes depends and recommends are important
[13:36] <agateau> that's part of what makes Kapti interesting to me: browsing recommends
[13:36] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I guess the code is on LP otherwise
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> ...but it can show reverse-depends :P
[13:36] <agateau> JontheEchidna: yes... I guess it's useful for you :)
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> eh, not really. I've not had a need for reverse-depends yet. I just haven't found time/motivation to code the other ones yet
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> but maybe kapti will be that motivation
[13:39] <agateau> :)
[13:40] <agateau> JontheEchidna: are you interested in continuing to work on Kapti?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if it'd be a good idea for me to take on yet another project... Maybe a few contributions here and there
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> As it is, I'm maintaining QuickAccess (which I'm failing at), the Plasma Weather Wallpaper, kubuntu-notification-helper, and now libqapt and family
[13:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I see what you mean :)
[13:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: too bad, at least I tried :)
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[13:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I didn't know you are the author of the QuickAccess applet, I love it!
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> agateau: not the author, just the maintainer after the old author disappeared
[13:44] <agateau> ok
[13:44] <agateau> I still love it anyway :)
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> I ported it through the days of the changing Plasma API in 4.1 times
[13:44] <agateau> it's one of the few to remain after I am done fiddling with the default desktop config
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> It needs some love for 4.5 though: bug 592760
[13:44] <agateau> oh
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Seems to be crashing in the ::paint event :(
[13:45] <agateau> that says a lot about how much I have run 4.5 :/
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> and I can't figure out how to fix it
[13:45] <agateau> I didn't encounter it
[13:45]  * agateau clicks the link
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> hmm, thought that one had a backtrace
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> well, in 4.5 it's not too hard to reproduce it at all :)
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> I did figure out that the indexes handed to us by the KDirModel are invalid a lot of the time for some reason, and that checking for validity solves the crash, but displays nothing (though the items still work, even though they are invisible)
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> anybody who can fix the crash + get the delegates painting will be my hero
[13:49] <shadeslayer> oh only if i knew coding plasma-widgets :(
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/Gwd0dVve <-fixes the crash, but gives file delegates ninja p0warz
[13:49]  * agateau clicks
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> basically, if we check for isValid() it returns false and we get invisible items
[13:50] <agateau> uh
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> current bzr branch, if anyone's interested: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/quickaccess/0.8.x
[13:51] <agateau> could it be a model index vs proxy index issue?
[13:51] <agateau> have you tried disabling the proxy model?
[13:53] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ^
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> I've not tried that
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> doesn't seem to work at all without the proxy model
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, one other thing. If I enter a directory, things aren't invisible
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> only things in the starting directory are invisible
[13:58] <shadeslayer> whee... my Ubuntu tshirt arrived :D
[13:59] <shadeslayer> You are invited to open a free Google Voice account. To accept this invitation and create your account, ..... <clicks on link> ..... Google Voice is not available in your country. :P
[14:00] <shadeslayer> rosetta spammed me again ....
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> It tends to do that
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> agateau: once libqapt svn1138233 is built in my ppa, you should be able to build kapti
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/+packages
[14:15] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok thanks
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> Some shinies: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopk27792-jpg.jpg , http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopo27792-jpg.jpg , http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopo27792-jpg.jpg
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> the data used for the details page needs a bit of htmlizing work...
[14:17] <agateau> can't tell, it's not on the shots :)
[14:17] <agateau> 2nd and 3rd are the same url
[14:18] <agateau> it would be nice to use grantlee for the html
[14:18] <agateau> JontheEchidna: you added a "search" button, that's a good idea, it makes it more explicit that it's not an incremental search
[14:19] <agateau> JontheEchidna: my wife expected the output to fill as she typed the first time she tried kapti
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopk27792-jpg-0.jpg
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> that could be accomplished
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> as the user starts typing, set a qtimer for about a second
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> well, after the user stops typing
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> then as long as it's greater than 1 character, when that timer times out, do the search
[14:20] <agateau> would be nice, if the search is not blocking
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it might be. I'm not sure
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> search is pretty fast, as long as you don't search for a single character, but I'm not sure if it blocks or not
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopa27792-jpg.jpg
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> homepage appears if present, that package didn't have a homepage
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> but as you can see, there are no linebreaks in the long description
[14:22] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I see
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> needs s/\n\<br>
[14:23] <agateau> yup
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we need to do something like this to enhance our rockstart status: http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> the whole kubuntu team's rockstart status, that is ;)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: around?
[14:28] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer 
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok um can you help me with updating qtcreator?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> from beta 1 to rc 1 in archives?
[14:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: first thing to check is has debian already done this for us?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we have bug 592786 in macerick
[14:29] <shadeslayer> p.d.o is down :(
[14:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I am a little jelous of that blog it's quite interesting
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hmm.. now its working :P
[14:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: trouble is I do enough reporting as it is and I don't know if I'd keep up something like that
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dont think so
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/sid/qtcreator
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok, so it's up to us
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you have the new tar?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :)
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[14:31] <Riddell> and the current beta1 packaging?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in fact i tried to debuild yesterday :)
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it complains the MOC has changed too much
[14:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does your /etc/alternatives/qmake point to?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and the patch you introduced was applied upstream
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what do i to see that?
[14:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I only care about mine :P
[14:33]  * JontheEchidna was afraid of that
[14:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ls -l /etc/alternatives/qmake
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 
[14:33] <shadeslayer> /usr/bin/qmake-qt3
[14:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: The problem is that such thins require someone to actually collect information and then write them up in nicely manner :/
[14:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's your problem
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ah.. we need qt4 there
[14:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: adding  QMAKE = /usr/bin/qmake-qt4  in debian/rules  would be one way around it
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok.. whats the other way?
[14:35] <apachelogger> update-alternatives :)
[14:35] <Riddell> you can also run  update-alternatives --set qmake /usr/bin/qmake-qt4
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rm debian/patches/* is fine, nothing in there needs to be kept
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok one more thing,since i do that in my machine,but the build machine doesn know that...
[14:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the build machine runs in a clean environment without qt3 installed
[14:36] <Riddell> so no danger of it happening there
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ok building again :)
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will upload to my ppa to test build and will ask to sponsor :)
[14:39] <Trouble> Gah, Xorg is using eating up my CPU again :-s
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Trouble: maverick?
[14:39] <Trouble> shadeslayer: No lol
[14:39] <Trouble> Lucid with 4.5 beta 2 ;-)
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Trouble: ah ok.. the xorg updates are just coming through now ( xorg 1.8 )
[14:40] <Trouble> Oooo, didn't know there was any
[14:40] <Trouble> I haven't checked for existing bugs, been trying to concentrate on work :-p
[14:40] <Trouble> Good stuff, thanks shadeslayer
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Trouble: np
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Trouble: checkout http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/
[14:41] <Trouble> Though does seem to have happened when I installed beta 2 ;-)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Trouble: im getting 200 MB of Xorg here 
[14:42] <shadeslayer> dunno if that is good or bad :P
[14:42] <Trouble> You'll find out at the end :-p
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/YCJ2fRmT build errors :)
[14:47] <CIA-91> [grantlee] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615134727-o88dkt2kfa49cd9z * debian/ (changelog control copyright) * Add BZR branch information * Update debian/copyright a bit and mention my copyright on debian/*
[14:49] <CIA-91> [grantlee] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615134903-lbqq3limv9s2in9g * (.bzr-builddeb .bzr-builddeb/default.conf) Add builddeb settings for packaging-only
[14:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have a copyright on debian ? \o/
[14:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yum, build system failures, my favourite
[14:50] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:51]  * shadeslayer is running low on CPU cycles,
[14:51] <shadeslayer> on one hand we have apt unpacking the new xorg and rebuilding all drivers ( nvidia ones ) and on one hand i have qtcreator compiling
[14:52] <shadeslayer> CPU @ 70oC :o
[14:54] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i think the build system wasnt clean... i ran dh_clean and built again and its building
[14:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 594608 pretty please
[15:00] <CIA-91> [grantlee] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615140005-z211hv33zb0ij2sr * debian/changelog releasing version 0.1.1-0ubuntu2
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still fails with new error : http://pastebin.com/Tcs38ivf
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did you work around the first one?
[15:02] <Riddell> ah, dh_clean
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :)
[15:04] <Riddell> dh_clean may well not be enough, qmake has horrible clean failures
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd try it with a freshly unpacked tar 
[15:04] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ok
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw any idea where the Show Desktop plasmoid disappeared in maverick?
[15:05] <Riddell> nope
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and can i rename the original tarball and the extracted folder?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> in qtcreator
[15:06] <Riddell> rename to what?
[15:06] <Riddell> extracted folder doesn't matter one way or the other
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from qt-creator-2.0.0-rc1-src to qt-creator-2.0.0~rc1
[15:07] <Riddell> tar needs to be qtcreator_2.0.0~rc1.orig.tar.gz
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:07] <shadeslayer> s/-/
[15:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think we should move bug 573977 out of kubuntu-meta, it just does not belong there.
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we could make the seed change
[15:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: to?
[15:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not seed plymouth?
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> not seed plymouth-x11
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> which slangasek says is optional
[15:11] <apachelogger> Why do we have it then? ^^
[15:11] <apachelogger> And what is it ^^
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> !info plymouth-x11
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache show plymouth-x11 is a bit more informative
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> I think it's the thing that allows you to run plymouth inside your session to test your themes, and the like
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> but we're only using it for before X is started, and after it is shut down
[15:12] <ScottK-droid> JontheEchidna: What we need is -x11 split to have a gtk and an unwritten Qt front end.
[15:13] <apachelogger> hm
[15:14] <apachelogger> so it is only there for testing themes anyway? 
[15:14] <apachelogger> Should be dropped I suppose :)
[15:16] <ScottK-droid> On a different note, what about using update-alternatives for the JavaScript config stuff instead of patching the upstream stuff?
[15:17] <apachelogger> patching?
[15:17] <apachelogger> why patching?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> next bug hug day announced :)
[15:17] <apachelogger> what patching?
[15:17] <Trouble> I just changed my desktop theme from Air to Oxygen and Xorg is suddenly behaving normally again :-D
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: can I get ack on bug 594608 ^^
[15:19]  * Trouble celebrates with a cup of tea and a digestive
[15:19] <Trouble> Help yourselves btw
[15:19] <Trouble> Digestives for everybody!
[15:19] <Trouble> I think I got some Bourbons too
[15:22] <ScottK-droid> apachelogger: Done.
[15:22] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: thanks, now there is also bug 594623 :)
[15:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 594608 please
[15:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: busy reviewing 233 imports from debina currently
[15:23] <Riddell> this is an exeedingly tedious task
[15:24] <apachelogger> awww
[15:24]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[15:24] <apachelogger> valorie: qtgain should arrive in lucid-backports once an archive admin finds time :)
[15:25] <ScottK-droid> apachelogger: Commented. 
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: recommented
[15:29] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order cookies for Riddell apachelogger ScottK-droid
[15:29]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Riddell apachelogger ScottK-droid.
[15:30] <ScottK-droid> apachelogger: Done. 
[15:30]  * apachelogger munches cookies
[15:30] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: thanks
[15:31] <apachelogger> steveire: grantlee is now avaiable in maverick and should be arriving in the lucid-backports repo soonish
[15:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does the new kinfocenter report CPU speeds in your install?
[15:32] <steveire> apachelogger: Awesome. Thanks.
[15:32] <steveire> Which version? 0.1.1?
[15:32] <apachelogger> yes
[15:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in my installation I do not even have that stuff listed ...
[15:33] <steveire> Cool. It doesn't matter to kjots, but it does to kmail in the soc branch
[15:33] <apachelogger> fancy :D
[15:33] <ScottK-droid> apachelogger: Talk to JontheEchidna about patching for JavaScript config stuff. 
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pink
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> or Riddell :P
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> neither of us has committed to do it \o/
[15:34] <apachelogger> well
[15:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: you do not need to patch anything :P
[15:34] <ScottK-droid> Think about update alternatives instead. 
[15:34] <apachelogger> not even that
[15:39] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i think my middle button on the external mouse just broke....
[15:39] <shadeslayer> or this kernel doesnt support it anymore 0.o
[15:40] <CIA-91> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615143555-vddky5cd2ljp8210 * share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js Rename init script to override KDE's, no patching no nothing :P
[15:41] <CIA-91> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615144104-884du0nhv42ow1o0 * debian/changelog Rename plasma init script to override upstream's when KDS is installed.
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: :P
[15:41] <apachelogger> that is btw the very way fluffy overrides both KDE and Kubuntu :P
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whee... fails after building this time.. i can fix this on my own :)
[15:50] <shadeslayer> hmm... weird error : http://pastebin.com/76QQCxG0
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does that renamework?
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does that rename work?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/76QQCxG0
[15:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: KDE uses 00-defaultLayout.js - I renamed our script to 00-defaultLayout.js, now ours will override theirs because plasma will search in KDEDIRS in order of appearance
[15:52] <apachelogger> i.e. first kds and then the standard search paths
[15:52] <apachelogger> since kds provides 00-defaultLayout.js already plasma will not run the one from the standard search path anymore
[15:53] <apachelogger> in consequence fluffy just adds a 3rd 00-defaultLayout.js that will then override the one in kds and the standard search path for sessions where fluffy is listed as first KDEDIR
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also i did rm debian/qtcreator//usr/share/qtcreator/gdbmacros/LICENSE.LGPL and we have http://pastebin.com/d0a1y3Sg
[15:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am wondering what to do with bug 367495
[15:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: genius
[15:55] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where did you do the rm ?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/xYSx6CUg
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and it it working now?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[15:57] <Riddell> sorted
[15:57] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:59] <CIA-91> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615145901-rzx6rjetikpcnx52 * (debian/changelog src/daemon/installevent/installevent.cpp) Install libavcodec-extra-52 instead of a transitional package (LP: #571139)
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dunno
[16:00] <apachelogger> kdepim got 203 open bugs :/
[16:04] <CIA-91> [akonadi-desktopcouch] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615150422-roxrrqrqx37uqwnx * desktop-couch-resource.cpp debugging++ working++ // "fixed" itemAdded()
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qtcreator doesnt seem to pick up qt4-demos 
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: qtcreator building in https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages 
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: _but_ i installed locally and it doesnt seem to pick up qt4-demons
[16:21] <shadeslayer> *demos
[16:21] <shadeslayer> brb in just a sec ( reboot )
[16:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I am not sure it should pickup demos at all
[16:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: um when you start qtcreator theres the examples 
[16:31] <apachelogger> examples != demos
[16:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do those examples reside in other packages?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: um : qt4-demos - Qt 4 examples and demos
[16:32] <apachelogger> just saying :P
[16:32] <shadeslayer> says the same thing in description :)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> clearly the short description already proofs my point of examples != demos :P
[16:33] <maco> oh oh oh hey hey hey
[16:33] <maco> ppa-dashboard is something kubuntu should have
[16:33] <maco> looky! http://sarvatt.com/xorg-edgers/
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok how do i get those examples in qtcreator then?
[16:33]  * shadeslayer looks at maco and his link
[16:34] <maco> his?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> s/his/her
[16:34] <maco> there ya go
[16:36] <shadeslayer> maco: or like : http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[16:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I wouldnt know
[16:36] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:36] <nixternal> maco: that link isn't working for me
[16:36] <maco> shadeslayer: yep yep
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nixternal: try mine :)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[16:37] <apachelogger> we should buy fta and own the ppa-dashboard
[16:37] <nixternal> oh...dont' even know why I didn't catch that...yeah ppa-dashboard is pretty cool
[16:37] <shadeslayer> maco: the table is a bit complex to comprehend in the first look :)
[16:38] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot. I love Akonadi and Google syncing
[16:38] <apachelogger> [/usr/bin/akonadi_desktop-couch_resource] DesktopCouchResource::itemRemoved
[16:38] <apachelogger> [/usr/bin/akonadi_desktop-couch_resource] addressee was emtpy :(
[16:38] <maco> shadeslayer: but when people ask which ppa has which packages i'd be able to answer by looking at that ;-)
[16:38] <apachelogger> what sor tof madness is that -.-
[16:38] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> maco: you can answer that by looking at the ubuntu source package page :P
[16:38] <maco> apachelogger: it tells you ppa versions too?
[16:38] <apachelogger> aye
[16:39] <apachelogger> underneath the info table there is a "show other sources" or something
[16:39] <apachelogger> that lists published versions of the same source package in ppas
[16:39] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[16:39] <apachelogger> not to mention that you actually can search for it :P
[16:40] <shadeslayer> maco: like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator
[16:40] <shadeslayer> maco: click on " Other versions of ' qtcreator ' ... "
[16:41] <maco> i see
[16:41] <maco> hmm now i just have to know which package to look at when i want to answer "what version of kde..."
[16:41] <maco> kdelibs5?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[16:42] <shadeslayer> so go to : launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs5
[16:43] <shadeslayer> um.. wrong link :P
[16:43] <apachelogger> kde4libs
[16:44] <apachelogger> actually
[16:44] <apachelogger> krunner -> usrc:kde4libs
[16:44] <apachelogger> of course not in beta2 because it refuses to do that there :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> at least for me
[16:47] <shadeslayer> btw any people around with universe upload rights?
[16:48] <Riddell> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings/20100610  "Nepomuk off by default "
[16:49] <Riddell> "Microblogging will break on 30th of June due to Twitter auth mechanism changes, Choqok and Plasma teams work on solutions, we'll backport and online update "
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Awww.....
[16:50] <shadeslayer> not choqok .....
[16:53] <nixternal> maco: hrmm, I tried using ppa-dashboard and it crashes out on me...need to figure this one out...doesn't look fun :)
[16:54] <maco> shadeslayer: its just twitter...proprietary web service... we all use identi.ca, right?
[16:54] <maco> shadeslayer: i have universe upload rights...
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: yep :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: awesome,will trouble you in a bit :)
[16:55] <maco> goody :P
[16:55] <maco> you need a sponsor?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: im waiting for this to build : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+builds?build_state=building
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: yep :)
[16:55] <maco> oh good you test your builds :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> of course... locally and in a PPA
[16:56] <maco> nigelb asked me to sponsor something the other day and i told him i dont have a pbuilder on this machine and had poor wifi at the con so i couldnt make a pbuilder so please confirm that it does build for him. ...he hadnt tested -_-
[17:00] <shadeslayer> maco: ok build is good to go,just add closes lp 592786 to the changelog ( i forgot to add that :P )
[17:01] <maco> heh ok
[17:01] <shadeslayer> and remove the ~ppa1 of course ;)
[17:02] <maco> of course
[17:02] <shadeslayer> maco: thanks a ton :)
[17:03] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I know what the problem with rekonq is
[17:03] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: ok... what is it?
[17:03] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: flash needs to be an other version
[17:03] <bulldog98> flash crashes it
[17:04] <shadeslayer> bah... its always flash isnt it :P
[17:04] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: need to do an downgrade
[17:05] <shadeslayer> :o
[17:05] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: !downgrade :P
[17:05]  * bulldog98 switches to gnash, but I don’t know how to manage
[17:06] <nixternal> fyi bulldog98, you can't watch pr0n with gnash :p
[17:06] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: there was something else too... some open source flash project,lightspark or something?
[17:06] <nixternal> at least that is what apachelogger told me
[17:06] <shadeslayer> !find lightspark maverick
[17:06] <apachelogger> aight
[17:06] <apachelogger> you cant
[17:06] <bulldog98> nixternal: don’t need that
[17:06] <apachelogger> simply doesnt work
[17:06] <apachelogger> dunno why :(
[17:07] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[17:07] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how do I swich to gnash?
[17:07] <bulldog98> weblink…
[17:09] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:09] <Quintasan> hiho
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: o/
[17:09] <apachelogger> for obvious reasons I do not use gnash
[17:10] <maco> shadeslayer: sfdec?
[17:10] <maco> shadeslayer: swfdec?
[17:10]  * maco scowls at keyboard
[17:10] <shadeslayer> maco: uh what?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> :P
 bulldog98: there was something else too... some open source flash project,lightspark or something?   <-- swfdec was the gnash alternative
[17:10] <shadeslayer> maco: nah.. hold on ill search omgubuntu.co.uk for it :)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> maco: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/lightspark-open-source-flash-player.html
[17:12] <maco> oh  very very ne
[17:12] <maco> *new
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:13] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "A Dustland Fairytale" by The Killers [Day & Age, 2008] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6fy13gbhaaUopyvwrfQtmi] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:16] <shadeslayer> maco: lookie http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/make-grub-themes-beautiful-look-nicer.html
[17:21] <shadeslayer> maco: have you uploaded the package?
[17:22] <maco> shadeslayer: no i just dropped off the net
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <maco> shadeslayer: i downloaded the source package then my net dropped
[17:22] <shadeslayer> maco: oh no problem :)
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i was looking at the open bugs against qtcreator to be sure we cant close any with this package
[17:23] <shadeslayer> s/any/any more
[17:24] <maco> yeah when i did the amarok merge for lucid i went through and closed all the ones thatd been fixed in karmic and then added about 20 bugs to the changelog in lucid
[17:28] <shadeslayer> maco: most of the bugs are reported against 9.10
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ( Ubuntu version )
[17:28] <maco> yeah i got the context there ;-)
[17:43] <maco> shadeslayer: lintian gave a warning that i dont undersand
[17:43] <maco> W: qtcreator source: obsolete-relation-form-in-source in qtcreator depends: libqtcore4 (< 4:4.7.0)
[17:44] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:44] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[17:44] <shadeslayer> maco: thats there from the previous package
[17:44] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:44] <maco> wait is it that Depends is lowercase?
[17:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Oo
[17:44]  * shadeslayer thinks apachelogger must have found a pony
[17:44] <apachelogger> brrrrrrr
[17:44]  * apachelogger can break couchdb 3 ways now \\o/
[17:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no, it's just that he is listening to Justin Bieber
[17:45] <Quintasan> :O
[17:45] <shadeslayer> rofl
[17:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: \o
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> o/    qDebug() << upgradeablePackages << "comin' at ya!";
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> erm
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> that was weird
[17:46] <Quintasan> oh man, I'd better do some grammar exercises instead of sitting on IRC
[17:46]  * Quintasan is too lazy today
[17:47] <maco> Quintasan: how many kilos can your verbs bench now?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> maco: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/obsolete-relation-form-in-source.html
[17:47] <Quintasan> maco: at least 9000 :P
[17:47] <CIA-91> [couchdb-qt] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615164727-71jl7rzvj27r0auf * lib/ (couchdb-qt.cpp couchdb-qt.h) impelment document deletion
[17:47] <shadeslayer> maco: i would leave it at that because debian has the same thing i think....
[17:47] <maco> oh
[17:47] <shadeslayer> i.e same control file...
[17:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: who what or when is justin bieber?
[17:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You won't beat apachelogger's GSOC application sitting in KTorrent's code
[17:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: <3 that debug ine
[17:48] <Quintasan> :P
[17:48]  * apachelogger has done worse though :P
[17:48] <apachelogger> good thig no one remembers
[17:48] <maco> shadeslayer: ok then ill ignore it
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: :)
[17:49]  * apachelogger was not always perfect one must know :P
[17:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i thought you still arent perfect :P
[17:49] <Quintasan> erem
[17:49] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: +1
[17:49] <CIA-91> [akonadi-desktopcouch] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615164915-xeuj5b0n3l591pwp * (desktop-couch-resource.cpp desktop-couch-resource.h) Item deleting++
[17:49]  * shadeslayer high fives Quintasan
[17:50] <apachelogger> see, those that only know imperfection only see imperfection as they do not know what perfection looks like
[17:50] <maco> shadeslayer: ok uploading
[17:50] <Quintasan> hmm, let me get something sweet and I'm ready to go for that CAE crap tomorrow
[17:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, make up excuses all you want :P
[17:50]  * apachelogger is wondering how it still is that shadeslayer_ gets lost
[17:51] <shadeslayer> bah... all the input devices shut down.... 
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did you do to my kernel
[17:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:51] <shadeslayer> now in stuck on #kubuntu-devel with no way to get to #ubuntu-packaging :P
[17:51] <apachelogger> talk bad about the apachelogger and see your kernel suffer
[17:51] <Quintasan> modprobe some_invisible_pink_unicorns
[17:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[17:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:52] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "In My Place" by Coldplay [A Rush Of Blood To The Head, 2006] [http://open.spotify.com/track/2nvC4i2aMo4CzRjRflysah] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:52] <apachelogger> that song is sort of horrible
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no such module on 2.6.35 kernel :P
[17:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ask apachelogger for the module code
[17:52] <Quintasan> I bet he wrote something like this
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: probably hidden in his ubuntuone-kde bzr branch :D
[17:53]  * Quintasan grabs apachelogger's very hidden thumb drive
[17:53] <Quintasan> let's see what we have here
[17:53] <Quintasan> ;3
[17:53] <apachelogger> I do have a hidden one too? :O
[17:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, now you don't
[17:54] <Quintasan> :P
[17:54] <shadeslayer> ok brb after reboot :)
[17:54] <apachelogger> not much loss then
[17:54] <apachelogger> possibly only pictures of apachelogger nakkid
[17:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:56] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "The Chase" by Ben Foster & Murray Gold -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:56] <apachelogger> that entirely reminds me that I need to rewatch torchwood ^^
[18:00] <CIA-91> [couchdb-qt] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615170010-vhb9r91ucc7k3204 * lib/couchdb-qt.h copyright++
[18:01] <maco> shadeslayer: ok it was accepted
[18:01] <shadeslayer> maco: awesome :D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order cookies for maco
[18:01]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to maco.
[18:04] <maco> mmm cookies
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what was the dpkg-genchanges command you used to compare versions?
[18:09] <apachelogger> dpkg --compare-versions 1 lt 2; echo $?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: found a bug in dpkg man page : http://pastebin.com/6aRqYRex :P
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[18:16] <shadeslayer> stupid me
[18:16] <apachelogger> right :P
[18:16] <lex79> lol
[18:17] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: using U1 as an addressbook is working pretty well already :)
[18:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[18:20] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Kingdom & Glory" by Mando Diao 8 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/0sS4WjQThjIjlhaFoW30UL] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[18:20] <apachelogger> now that song is really not 8 minutes long :/
[18:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: wow
[18:54] <ScottK-droid> Would someone please look at the armel qtcreator build log and see why it died. It just crashed the browser on my phone. 
[18:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll also meet with krake next week or so and work out a plan for the bookmark syncing ... which is a bit more difficult than anticipated since akonadi is really just playing central sync master between local bookmarks file and the bookmarks in couchdb. From what we have talked to so far its gonna be a master piece of akonadi awesomeness though ^^
[18:55] <Riddell> ScottK-droid: "Start in 1 hour "
[18:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: tomorrow I'll take a look and try it for myself
[18:56] <ScottK-droid> Crumbs. I wish whoever retried it hadn't done that so fast.
[18:57] <apachelogger> kcool
[18:57] <Riddell> ScottK-droid: it only got uploaded 50 minutes ago
[18:58] <ScottK-droid> Oh. I retried the previous one and it FTBFS. 
[18:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep ninja talk from you?
[18:58] <ScottK-droid> Might be worth checking to see why.
[18:59]  * ScottK-droid didn't know about the new one.
[19:16] <apachelogger> steveire: do you want to do an IRC talk about grantlee or assorted matters of interest for upcoming ubuntu developer week https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[19:17] <apachelogger> would be between 12 and 16 jul
[19:17] <steveire> That's after Akademy, right?
[19:17] <steveire> Yeah I can probably do that.
[19:18] <steveire> That's the last one. " Jan 25th 2010 to Jan 29th 2010!"
[19:18] <steveire> Makes sense.
[19:18]  * steveire is a bit tired right now
[19:19] <apachelogger> steveire: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep loads of slots to pick from :)
[19:40] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yeah :) 
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> Qt's model/view stuff is nice until you need to start putting widgets into delegates :(
[19:40]  * shadeslayer_ checks calendar
[19:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: btw, I doubt you will find a motu that is better at mentoring that all of kubuntu ;)
[19:42] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i want motu status as well after membership :)
[19:48] <shadeslayer> then kubuntu dev status :P
[19:49] <shadeslayer> which probably will take a *long* time :)
[19:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw can you point me to the patch that helps mount drives without passing sudo passwords to dolphin? we might need to apply the same to the auto mount plasmoid ( or the  Device notifier plasmoid as its called )
[19:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: every kubuntu-dev currently also happens to be motu... so... :P
[19:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I do not know of such a patch TBH
[19:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe... kubuntu dev will probably take alot of time :P
[19:55]  * apachelogger is wondering why we need a patch for that
[19:56] <shadeslayer> hmm.. im sure i heard of a patch to correct that,when you mount external partitions with dolphin,it asks for a password
[20:04] <apachelogger> oh
[20:04] <apachelogger> that thing 
[20:04]  * apachelogger notes that this patch is buggy anyway
[20:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: it is in kde4libs most likely
[20:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thanks ill look in bzr
[20:13] <lex79> apachelogger: I don't think it's buggy, I fixed at the end of lucid cycle and rgreening fixed in the beta1
[20:14] <shadeslayer> lex79: can you point me to the patch? no kde4libs in bzr
[20:14] <lex79> no kde4libs in bzr but kdelibs :)
[20:15] <lex79> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff
[20:17] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah ok :)
[20:18] <shadeslayer> lex79: can we apply the same patch to the device mounter plasmoid? ( like something along the same lines ? )
[20:18] <shadeslayer> not the same patch obviously :P
[20:19] <lex79> if it works yes :)
[20:24] <apachelogger> ehm
[20:24] <apachelogger> the device notifier plasmoid _should_ use the patch
[20:24] <lex79> :)
[20:24] <apachelogger> since the patch affects solid, and the notifier should mount only via solid
[20:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it doesnt,i still have to enter my password to mount the device
[20:24] <shadeslayer> so i guess the patch is a partial success :PO
[20:24] <apachelogger> that is what the patch does
[20:25] <lex79> lol
[20:26]  * lex79 thinks apachelogger is MOTM -> master of the minions
[20:38] <apachelogger> claydoh: it is interesting how kubuntuforums uses odd times
[20:41] <apachelogger> brrr http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112458.0
[20:41] <apachelogger> lex79: amongst other things
[20:41]  * apachelogger is also fluffymaster!
[20:42] <lex79> I know you're better than just a master of the minions ;)
[20:46] <lex79> for what I understood seems he wants build kubuntu from source, uhmmm
[20:54] <apachelogger> lex79: most importantly he did not understand what he was reading, or he did not read careful enough -> bad thing
[20:54] <apachelogger> As an example, I'll use a program called gentoo, an X GTK+ file manager.[4]
[20:54] <apachelogger> if it is not clear from that that the example is not about gentoo the linux distro then I really do not know what could be
[20:56] <lex79> eh right :)
[20:58]  * shadeslayer compares https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+related-software and https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+related-software
[20:59] <shadeslayer> kubotu: googlefight shadeslayer apachlogger 
[20:59] <kubotu> apachlogger (0) vs. shadeslayer (0) -- no winner here!
[20:59] <shadeslayer> :o
[20:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: youve rigged the bot !
[20:59] <Sime_> Riddell: are there packages for the marble pythong bindings?
[20:59] <bulldog98> kubotu: googlefight shadeslayer Riddell
[20:59] <kubotu> Riddell (0) vs. shadeslayer (0) -- no winner here!
[21:00] <shadeslayer> :o
[21:00] <shadeslayer> how weird :)
[21:00] <shadeslayer> kubotu: googlefight bulldog98 shadeslayer
[21:00] <kubotu> shadeslayer (0) vs. bulldog98 (0) -- no winner here!
[21:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[21:00] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm
[21:01] <bulldog98> shouldn’t be the result
[21:01] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: my dad took for berlin about a hour ago :D
[21:03] <shadeslayer> maco: youre around some more right?
[21:04] <shadeslayer> will be upgrading https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libforms1
[21:04] <maco> shadeslayer: yeah
[21:04] <maco> now?
[21:04] <shadeslayer> maco: no.. its building as of now :)
[21:04] <maco> ok
[21:07] <apachelogger> well
[21:07] <apachelogger> google changed around their search results
[21:07] <apachelogger> I suppose rbot did not update the parser yet
[21:07] <apachelogger> gotta love html parsing
[21:12]  * apachelogger pokes Xand3r
[21:12] <Xand3r> autsch
[21:13] <apachelogger> oi!
[21:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you need distraction I hear?
[21:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you certainly could distract yourself by doing things to my groupies page :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: also what are you distracting from?
[21:14] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i stoped smoking this morning at 11am
[21:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: did you start again? :P
[21:15] <Xand3r> not yet
[21:15]  * apachelogger did not even know that Xand3r was a smoker
[21:16]  * apachelogger knows that he made Sput one though
[21:16] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:17] <Sput> yeah :(
[21:17] <Sput> evil apachelogger
[21:17] <apachelogger> :(
[21:17] <Sput> you and markey!
[21:17]  * apachelogger blames it all on markey
[21:17]  * Sput blames about 73% on markey
[21:18]  * apachelogger hugs markey though while he is at it
[21:18] <apachelogger> anyhow
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you go make me a nice branding :)
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: also I am quite confident that you will not start again
[21:27]  * apachelogger feels all darth vader this evening
[21:28] <apachelogger> anyone up for uno?
[21:28] <apachelogger> uno anyone?
[21:30] <Xand3r> uno?
[21:30] <Xand3r> the game uno?
[21:30] <apachelogger> uno!
[21:30] <apachelogger> yes
[21:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but you go brand my groupies' page :P
[21:30] <Xand3r> how to play uno vie the net?
[21:30] <apachelogger> no uno for you, mister!
[21:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: via tha b0t
[21:31] <neversfelde> uno
[21:31] <neversfelde> I win
[21:31] <Xand3r> no
[21:31] <Xand3r> uno uno
[21:31] <Xand3r> i won
[21:31] <apachelogger> you know
[21:35] <Xand3r> i go now to bed
[21:35] <Xand3r> good night girls
[21:36] <shadeslayer> maco: can you do a sync?
[21:36] <shadeslayer> http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/libforms << libforms 
[21:36] <shadeslayer> hmm.. wait.. i need to check it first
[21:37] <apachelogger> did Xand3r just call us girls?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah :(
[21:37]  * apachelogger giggles in girly manner and leaves for some tea
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :o
[21:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep what time slot do you want?
[21:54] <shadeslayer> oh sorry i have that opened in my browser and still didnt edit :P
[21:55] <shadeslayer> doing now
[21:55] <ari-tczew> on fresh up-to-dated maverick my konversation IRC client missed notifications in tray :-(
[21:55] <ari-tczew> only indicator-applet is useful
[21:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what site do we use to fix date and time?
[21:56] <apachelogger> shpardon?
[21:57] <apachelogger> -sh ^^
[21:57] <shadeslayer> there was this site we use to display xx.xx UTC in various time zones
[21:58] <apachelogger> oh
[21:58] <apachelogger> !time
[21:58] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:58] <apachelogger> !schedule
[21:58] <apachelogger> !meeting
[21:58] <apachelogger> ah
[21:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ shoudld be linked there
[21:59] <apachelogger> of course not if someone removed it ^^
[21:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=16&min=0&sec=0
[21:59] <apachelogger> ah magic
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: done :)
[22:01] <apachelogger> maybe another title
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Packaging with the ninjas?
[22:02] <apachelogger> aye
[22:02] <apachelogger> *changing*
[22:02] <apachelogger> oh
[22:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: packaging like a ninja?
[22:02] <shadeslayer> hmm... you decide :)
[22:03] <apachelogger> makes it more about the possible attendee
[22:03] <apachelogger> which is a good thing I suppose
[22:03] <shadeslayer> well if you say so :)
[22:03] <shadeslayer> damn you beat me to it :)
[22:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you can change it later still
[22:03] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[22:04]  * shadeslayer is all mangled up with libraries
[22:05] <apachelogger> "Library design in World without sudo" <- JontheEchidna 
[22:05] <apachelogger> this would be one scary talk
[22:06] <shadeslayer> i wonder what kde release would we be packaging at the time of talks.....
[22:06] <shadeslayer> none afaik....
[22:07]  * apachelogger broke his akonadi calendar so does not know
[22:08]  * shadeslayer gives some duct tape to apachelogger 
[22:08] <shadeslayer> s/to/too
[22:08]  * apachelogger is afraid akonadi might fall apart if he touches it ^^
[22:09] <apachelogger> though I had great fun with my ubuntuone resouce earlier
[22:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde releases RC2 on 7th July :P
[22:09] <shadeslayer> and final release on 28th xD
[22:10] <shadeslayer> well.. final release is tagged on 28th
[22:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, one nice fact about the resource .... I plan to have a branding switch, so either one gets a desktop file calling it U1 or DesktopCouch
[22:13] <shadeslayer> heh... if i start removing stuff from *.install files in a debian package i get empty binaries :P
[22:14] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: haha... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-drop2ftp builds on 32 bit but fails on 64 bit :D
[22:40] <claydoh> apachelogger: watch ya mean by 'odd times' on kfn?
[22:42] <apachelogger> claydoh: I mena something usish :P
[22:42] <apachelogger> while I set my location to something outside usish
[22:55] <claydoh> dunno, I think that is set server-side so smfforfree probably controls that on their servers
[22:56] <claydoh> ahh nope found a setting in my personsl smf test site
[22:59] <claydoh> fluffymaster: is there a timezone selector? if not I will tell the owner to add one
[23:02] <claydoh> there is an autodetect function in the look and layout area of the user profile
[23:12] <shadeslayer> fluffymaster: around?
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: MIR against linphone is going to be dirty....
[23:19] <shadeslayer> we have 2 build deps in universe
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/XzfLiHmr
[23:20] <shadeslayer> libosip2-dev and libexosip2-dev ..... 
[23:20] <shadeslayer> fluffymaster: ^^
[23:28] <fluffymaster> claydoh: well, I set my location, supposedly it should just follow that I suppose
[23:29] <fluffymaster> shadeslayer: are they from different source packages?
[23:29] <claydoh> fluffymaster: I did find a mod that adds an actual selector, which would be easier
[23:30] <fluffymaster> the thing is, I would just expect it to work :P
[23:31]  * claydoh is beginning to think smf 1.x is a bit clunky and not modern
[23:32] <claydoh> you have to set the offset from the *server* location, which is stupid, else click the autodetect link next to the offset setting
[23:32] <claydoh> *my* time is correct :)
[23:32] <claydoh> but my offset is +1, which would logically place me somewhere in europe
[23:36] <claydoh> arggg the new online training software "requires ie" :(
[23:36] <claydoh> plus it is a stupid, more stoopid than forum software
[23:38] <shadeslayer> fluffymaster: yes
[23:38] <shadeslayer> fluffymaster: uh wait..
[23:39] <shadeslayer> fluffymaster: yes confirmed...
[23:39] <shadeslayer> Source: libexosip2 and Source: libosip2