[00:00] nixternal: got time for a query? [00:03] crimsun_: always have time [00:40] can someone confirm the statements in bug #589898? is the doc in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML? [00:40] Launchpad bug 589898 in tellico (Ubuntu) "Sync tellico 2.2-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589898 [00:54] yes [00:54] debian used to put in kde4/HTML, but now they've switched to kde/ like us [00:54] bdrung: ^ [00:58] JontheEchidna: and the symlinks stuff? [00:58] bdrung_: all accurate [00:59] JontheEchidna: thanks. the sync request is fine then [00:59] bdrung_: yup, I thought I had ack'd that one, too. Must have not gone through or something. [00:59] thanks for taking care of it [01:01] np [01:22] JontheEchidna: is there a workaround for bug #586497 [01:22] Launchpad bug 586497 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Lucid) "kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586497 [01:22] trying to help on the mailing list [01:23] claydoh: The only one I know of is uninstall kpackagekit. [01:25] ScottK: so it fixed this for you I assume? [01:26] claydoh: As far as I know. [01:26] That also, of course, also removed the thing that told me they were being installed. [01:28] claydoh: It looks like it does. I have uninstalled security updates. [01:28] * ScottK fixes that. [01:31] kool, quassel tray icon flashes a kmail icon overlayed on it, funky [01:31] thanks ScottK [01:32] claydoh: Then if you click on it, it will take to you the channel you were highlighted from. [01:33] yeah, never noticed the kmail icon tho before :) [01:34] That's new in Lucid. [01:39] Programming or Computer Security? [01:39] trying to figure out my major at ITT Tech [01:42] both :) [01:48] Navy will only pay for me to take one of them. [01:49] and seeing that it will cost me no $$.... [02:56] Lucid SRU? http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4250/diff/#index_header [05:57] Okay, if anyone is listening... WebKit HATES WordPress backend. Will not post to WP. [05:58] Well, more spisificly Rekonq [05:58] specifically [05:58] Ouch, I need sleep [06:56] urgh [06:56] few days left [06:57] CAE exam tomorrow and on 19th and I [06:57] I' free* [07:23] hrm, anyone know if scanlite has an irc channel? [08:45] good morning kubuntu o/ [08:48] morning apachelogger [09:12] good morning harald and kubuntu [09:13] o/ Riddell [09:16] jussi: am I ok to come to yours on july 1st? [09:16] Riddell: Absolutely! [09:17] how do I get there from Tampere airport? [09:17] Riddell: you are aware its about a 5hour trip? [09:18] but bus to the trainstation (ryanair bus) and then train to Oulu [09:18] 5 hours? I'll need a sauna after that [09:18] no problems! [09:18] we have an awesome sauna, wood fired. :) [09:19] doesn't it get smokey? [09:19] no. it has a chimney... [09:19] :D [09:24] ours is a little different, but along the lines of this: http://www.cedarbarrelsaunas.com/images/facts/1164688105vcvc.jpg [09:25] Riddell: in anycase, you are more than welcome :) [09:25] * jussi goes to grab luch [09:25] lunch even [09:57] o/ [10:04] yay, kde4libs building on armel [10:07] \o/ [10:08] hrm, it would be very cool to have the quick access plasmoid functionality integrated into lancelot... :D === apachelogger is now known as fluffymaster [10:17] I had an idea. I dont know how it would be implemented, but it would be cool if we could somehow have a "packages related to" part in kpackagekit. so if you looked at gwenview, it would give you kipi-plugins etc. [10:18] * jussi wonders what fluffymaster thinks [10:18] "people who installed gwenview also installed kipi-plugins" [10:19] isn't that what "Recommends" is for? [10:19] yeah, perhaps... [10:19] * fluffymaster notes that people will not care what people do :P [10:19] agateau: the normal user doesnt know about recommends [10:19] "Matt installed gwenview and also installed kipi-plugins." [10:20] that is of course in case I know matt and matt knows me and we are friends and stuff [10:20] agateau: putting recommends somewhere obvious might be helpful [10:20] recommends are installed automagically [10:20] fluffymaster: it could just use popcon [10:20] Suggests are not :) [10:20] err, yeah, suggests is what I was talking about [10:20] ;D [10:20] jussi: -*- fluffymaster notes that people will not care what people do :P [10:21] also popcorn is but a limited fraction of users [10:21] fluffymaster: aactually people care... [10:21] and whats worse, it is those users that actually found the setting to turn popcorn on [10:21] so it also got limited importance IMHO [10:21] the fact is half the time there is cool functionality that can be added to a program and people often dont find it [10:21] like kipi plugins... [10:22] jussi: and having usage data from a bunch of geeks will help with that :P [10:22] jussi: I recommend trying kapti :) [10:22] which shows recommend as clickable links [10:22] fluffymaster: it likely will, because the geeks use the cool stuff [10:22] hm [10:22] agateau: kapti? [10:23] jussi: look at the stats and say that again :P [10:23] anyhow [10:23] haha [10:23] a) our gwenview package is bonkers [10:23] it does neither suggest nor recommend kipi-plugins [10:23] o.O [10:23] b) kpk indeed needs to present suggests a bit better [10:23] jussi: http://gitorious.org/kapti/pages/Home [10:23] in anycase, making it easier for people to find cool extra stuff is a plus! [10:23] b.a) b) raises the issue of how to do this with packages like kile which got a billion billion recommends, suggests, depends, breaks... [10:25] jussi: would love to get your feedback on kapti btw :) [10:26] agateau: sure. /me turns on newbie mode [10:26] agateau: needs to hide several bits of information maybe use little +'s [10:27] and hide recomends and depends by default [10:27] agateau: as Im sure you know, some prettifying would go a long way [10:27] good point [10:28] sure :) [10:28] I was mostly interested in the interaction here [10:28] I find it quite nice to click a recommend, read about it, maybe install it, and click "Back" to return to the original package [10:28] and the first page it would be nice to have categories - maybe using the "section" [10:29] so you can "browse" [10:29] yes [10:29] it only does search for now :/ [10:30] also, have some way to toggle between "all packages" and "programs" (eliminating libs etc) [10:30] good idea [10:31] maybe list programs first, then lists, with a separators [10:31] *separator [10:31] so that there is no need to toggle anything [10:31] maybe - but you need to keep the interface clean, or new people's heads will explode... [10:32] that's why I want to avoid too many toggles and options [10:32] hi , I'm not sure of the workflow in kubuntu , Bug 506945 might be closed i supposed [10:32] Launchpad bug 506945 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "ksplashx default theme does not update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506945 [10:33] agateau: Id suggest the "programs only" mode by default and just have an "advanced mode". roll a few things into one. [10:34] jussi: I don't plan to work a lot on this though, I initially did this as an experiment, hoping to sparkle some ideas for KPK [10:34] but this is nice because its !fast! [10:34] agateau: sure - Im just giving feadback as to ways that would help me explain to my fiancee for example. [10:34] jussi: I see we have similar target users :) [10:35] thats how I think about it with new people - can I explain this to my fiancee :D [10:35] :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:36] agateau: Ill offer more feedback as we go along [10:36] jussi: thanks [10:43] agateau: could you or conor or both of you get back on aseigo's suggestions regarding soundindicator? [10:44] fluffymaster: where did he made such suggestions? [10:44] agateau: in the thread I started some weeks ago [10:44] agateau: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-May/004413.html [10:44] should also have been CCd to ayatana IIRC [10:45] oh this one [10:45] it's a bit late to answer I think [10:46] *shrug* [10:46] ronoc is busy setting up a shared place for devs to discuss [10:46] and will be inviting kde devs to join this new list when it's ready [10:46] should be more appropriate than kubuntu-devel [10:52] agateau: isnt that what the xdg list is for? [10:52] fluffymaster: it's hard to get something productive out of xdg [10:53] fluffymaster: I think a list more focused on the subject is better [10:53] * jussi sighs [10:53] hm [10:53] why can I find a program that does simple stuff easily... like crop to a circle shape :/ [10:53] that is not simple :P [10:54] agateau: the subject being the soundmenu? [10:54] yes, and maybe mpris? [10:55] well, is there that much too discuss, because creating a list for every new thingy seems a bit over the top *shrug* [10:56] it's also about reducing noise [10:56] I must confess I stopped reading xdg long ago [10:57] If I were a music app developer, I would rather read a list about soundmenu and mpris I think [10:57] mailig lists are a bit of an undynamic media :) [10:57] agateau: then again you can get easily fragmented and people will have to subscribe to a billion lists [11:00] yes, mailing lists suck a bit, but that's the best we have :/ [11:00] what's better a billion lists, or one list with a billion topics? [11:01] none IMHO, unfortunately we are short on options :/ [11:01] indeed :/ [11:01] anyhow, back to programming a nethack clone ^^ [11:02] a pink one, I presume [11:03] hm, I didnt think of that ... it is for a university assignment ... pink certainly could get me bonus points I suppose :D [11:06] JontheEchidna: could you add a test case to bug 529562 , then I can test and get it approved [11:06] Launchpad bug 529562 in virtuoso-opensource (Ubuntu Lucid) "package libvirtodbc0 6.1.0-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529562 [11:09] shadeslayer_: how's that linphone MIR coming? [11:40] Something about the desktop effects in 4.5 beta 4 really make my desktop crawl :-/ [11:41] Trouble: That's a bit odd since we're on beta 2. [11:43] Trouble: I have that in beta 2... [11:44] lol beta 4, oops [11:45] I've hurt my finger doing DIY and it's going all over the place [11:45] haha [11:45] jussi: good to know. No flashy effects until beta 3 :-p [11:45] Trouble: do you use lancelot? [11:45] No 'fraid not [11:46] Trouble: would you mind installing it for a min to test something for me? [11:47] basically, on my machine, the highlight lags behind where the mouse is - want to see if thats across most machines [11:48] Sure! [11:48] Give me a min [11:48] no probs! [11:49] Yea, extremely laggy! [11:49] Even with desktop effects off (which improved the performance generally in KDE) [11:50] right, so its not just me then... [11:50] How frustrating [11:53] Actually disabling desktop effects only makes the generally performance better, everything is still laggy [11:53] But Lancelot was particularily laggy [11:55] Ahh now I've had a chance to check my processes Xorg is eating up all my CPU [11:56] Tho' curiously my CPU graph in the task bar doesn't show thois [11:57] re-re-boot... [12:00] Right, let's test Lancelot again [12:01] jussi: Lancelot is actually fine now [12:01] Trouble: what did you do? [12:02] But it was particularily laggy (more laggy than the rest of KDE) when Xorg was eating up all available CPU ;-) [12:02] I rebooted [12:02] laggy all the time for me [12:02] I've had some wa [12:02] Stupid hurting finger [12:03] I've had some warning about compositing being temporaily disabled since installing beta 2, so earlier I disabled desktop effects completely, but just noticed Xorg was using all CPU [12:04] Compositing and graphical performance was working fine in 4.4 [12:04] jussi: You got desktop effects on? [12:04] no [12:05] not on this machine, but its same at home with them on [12:06] :-( [12:33] * fregl wonders where to start investigating when acpi and hal both report no current battery charge state [12:47] fregl: linux [12:48] Riddell: yeah... I'm currently browsing linux-acpi mailing lists and may file a kernel bug... bah [12:48] * fregl hugs Riddell :) [12:51] mm, now I feel all loved [12:59] dude, you should ;) [13:02] Sime_: chap on kde-devel mailing list with a Python query [13:15] * Riddell notes the xscreensaver packaging has been rejigged again and kscreensaver will need tofollow [13:19] Riddell: havent gotten to it yet,will do it now :) [13:22] agateau: plingy [13:26] o/ [13:26] I am back [13:30] and there I go again ^^ [13:33] JontheEchidna: plongy [13:33] JontheEchidna: just saw your mail about kapti c++! [13:33] agateau: :D [13:33] JontheEchidna: haven't had the time to try it yet [13:33] :/ [13:34] JontheEchidna: I guess I will need to build libqapt at some point [13:34] Please poke around with it if you do, and see if the library is usable [13:35] JontheEchidna: is libqapt packaged somewhere already? [13:35] it can't get a list of depends or recommends yet, only reverse-depends. Still on the todo [13:35] agateau: On my ppa, but I need to update it [13:35] ah ok, yes depends and recommends are important [13:36] that's part of what makes Kapti interesting to me: browsing recommends [13:36] JontheEchidna: I guess the code is on LP otherwise [13:36] ...but it can show reverse-depends :P [13:36] JontheEchidna: yes... I guess it's useful for you :) [13:37] eh, not really. I've not had a need for reverse-depends yet. I just haven't found time/motivation to code the other ones yet [13:37] but maybe kapti will be that motivation === fluffymaster is now known as apachelogger [13:39] :) [13:40] JontheEchidna: are you interested in continuing to work on Kapti? [13:41] I don't know if it'd be a good idea for me to take on yet another project... Maybe a few contributions here and there [13:42] As it is, I'm maintaining QuickAccess (which I'm failing at), the Plasma Weather Wallpaper, kubuntu-notification-helper, and now libqapt and family [13:43] JontheEchidna: I see what you mean :) [13:43] JontheEchidna: too bad, at least I tried :) [13:43] hehe [13:43] JontheEchidna: I didn't know you are the author of the QuickAccess applet, I love it! [13:43] agateau: not the author, just the maintainer after the old author disappeared [13:44] ok [13:44] I still love it anyway :) [13:44] :) [13:44] I ported it through the days of the changing Plasma API in 4.1 times [13:44] it's one of the few to remain after I am done fiddling with the default desktop config [13:44] It needs some love for 4.5 though: bug 592760 [13:44] Launchpad bug 592760 in QuickAccess "QuickAccess plasmoid crashes Plasma workspace every time its clicked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592760 [13:44] oh [13:44] Seems to be crashing in the ::paint event :( [13:45] that says a lot about how much I have run 4.5 :/ [13:45] and I can't figure out how to fix it [13:45] I didn't encounter it [13:45] * agateau clicks the link [13:45] hmm, thought that one had a backtrace [13:46] well, in 4.5 it's not too hard to reproduce it at all :) [13:47] I did figure out that the indexes handed to us by the KDirModel are invalid a lot of the time for some reason, and that checking for validity solves the crash, but displays nothing (though the items still work, even though they are invisible) [13:47] anybody who can fix the crash + get the delegates painting will be my hero [13:49] oh only if i knew coding plasma-widgets :( [13:49] http://pastebin.com/Gwd0dVve <-fixes the crash, but gives file delegates ninja p0warz [13:49] * agateau clicks [13:50] basically, if we check for isValid() it returns false and we get invisible items [13:50] uh [13:51] current bzr branch, if anyone's interested: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/quickaccess/0.8.x [13:51] could it be a model index vs proxy index issue? [13:51] have you tried disabling the proxy model? [13:53] JontheEchidna: ^ [13:53] I've not tried that [13:56] doesn't seem to work at all without the proxy model [13:57] oh, one other thing. If I enter a directory, things aren't invisible [13:57] only things in the starting directory are invisible [13:58] whee... my Ubuntu tshirt arrived :D [13:59] You are invited to open a free Google Voice account. To accept this invitation and create your account, ..... ..... Google Voice is not available in your country. :P [14:00] rosetta spammed me again .... [14:03] It tends to do that [14:10] agateau: once libqapt svn1138233 is built in my ppa, you should be able to build kapti [14:11] https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/+packages [14:15] JontheEchidna: ok thanks [14:16] Some shinies: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopk27792-jpg.jpg , http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopo27792-jpg.jpg , http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopo27792-jpg.jpg [14:16] the data used for the details page needs a bit of htmlizing work... [14:17] can't tell, it's not on the shots :) [14:17] 2nd and 3rd are the same url [14:18] it would be nice to use grantlee for the html [14:18] JontheEchidna: you added a "search" button, that's a good idea, it makes it more explicit that it's not an incremental search [14:19] JontheEchidna: my wife expected the output to fill as she typed the first time she tried kapti [14:19] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopk27792-jpg-0.jpg [14:19] that could be accomplished [14:19] as the user starts typing, set a qtimer for about a second [14:20] well, after the user stops typing [14:20] then as long as it's greater than 1 character, when that timer times out, do the search [14:20] would be nice, if the search is not blocking [14:20] hmm, it might be. I'm not sure [14:21] search is pretty fast, as long as you don't search for a single character, but I'm not sure if it blocks or not [14:22] agateau: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopa27792-jpg.jpg [14:22] homepage appears if present, that package didn't have a homepage [14:22] but as you can see, there are no linebreaks in the long description [14:22] JontheEchidna: I see [14:22] needs s/\n\
[14:23] yup [14:27] apachelogger: we need to do something like this to enhance our rockstart status: http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/ [14:28] the whole kubuntu team's rockstart status, that is ;) [14:28] Riddell: around? [14:28] hi shadeslayer [14:28] Riddell: ok um can you help me with updating qtcreator? [14:29] from beta 1 to rc 1 in archives? [14:29] shadeslayer: first thing to check is has debian already done this for us? [14:29] Riddell: we have bug 592786 in macerick [14:29] Launchpad bug 592786 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "qtcreator crashes on start in maverick" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592786 [14:29] p.d.o is down :( [14:30] JontheEchidna: I am a little jelous of that blog it's quite interesting [14:30] hmm.. now its working :P [14:30] JontheEchidna: trouble is I do enough reporting as it is and I don't know if I'd keep up something like that [14:30] Riddell: dont think so [14:31] Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/sid/qtcreator [14:31] shadeslayer: ok, so it's up to us [14:31] shadeslayer: you have the new tar? [14:31] Riddell: :) [14:31] Riddell: yes [14:31] and the current beta1 packaging? [14:32] Riddell: in fact i tried to debuild yesterday :) [14:32] Riddell: it complains the MOC has changed too much [14:32] shadeslayer: what does your /etc/alternatives/qmake point to? [14:32] Riddell: and the patch you introduced was applied upstream [14:33] Riddell: what do i to see that? [14:33] JontheEchidna: I only care about mine :P [14:33] * JontheEchidna was afraid of that [14:33] shadeslayer: ls -l /etc/alternatives/qmake [14:33] Riddell: [14:33] /usr/bin/qmake-qt3 [14:34] JontheEchidna: The problem is that such thins require someone to actually collect information and then write them up in nicely manner :/ [14:34] shadeslayer: there's your problem [14:34] ah.. we need qt4 there [14:34] shadeslayer: adding QMAKE = /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 in debian/rules would be one way around it [14:34] Riddell: ok.. whats the other way? [14:35] update-alternatives :) [14:35] you can also run update-alternatives --set qmake /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 [14:35] shadeslayer: rm debian/patches/* is fine, nothing in there needs to be kept [14:35] Riddell: ok one more thing,since i do that in my machine,but the build machine doesn know that... [14:36] shadeslayer: the build machine runs in a clean environment without qt3 installed [14:36] so no danger of it happening there [14:36] ah ok [14:36] ok building again :) [14:36] Riddell: will upload to my ppa to test build and will ask to sponsor :) [14:39] Gah, Xorg is using eating up my CPU again :-s [14:39] Trouble: maverick? [14:39] shadeslayer: No lol [14:39] Lucid with 4.5 beta 2 ;-) [14:40] Trouble: ah ok.. the xorg updates are just coming through now ( xorg 1.8 ) [14:40] Oooo, didn't know there was any [14:40] I haven't checked for existing bugs, been trying to concentrate on work :-p [14:40] Good stuff, thanks shadeslayer [14:40] Trouble: np [14:41] Trouble: checkout http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ [14:41] Though does seem to have happened when I installed beta 2 ;-) [14:42] Trouble: im getting 200 MB of Xorg here [14:42] dunno if that is good or bad :P [14:42] You'll find out at the end :-p [14:46] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/YCJ2fRmT build errors :) [14:47] [grantlee] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615134727-o88dkt2kfa49cd9z * debian/ (changelog control copyright) * Add BZR branch information * Update debian/copyright a bit and mention my copyright on debian/* [14:49] [grantlee] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615134903-lbqq3limv9s2in9g * (.bzr-builddeb .bzr-builddeb/default.conf) Add builddeb settings for packaging-only [14:49] apachelogger: you have a copyright on debian ? \o/ [14:50] shadeslayer: yum, build system failures, my favourite [14:50] :) [14:51] * shadeslayer is running low on CPU cycles, [14:51] on one hand we have apt unpacking the new xorg and rebuilding all drivers ( nvidia ones ) and on one hand i have qtcreator compiling [14:52] CPU @ 70oC :o [14:54] hmm.. i think the build system wasnt clean... i ran dh_clean and built again and its building [14:56] ScottK: bug 594608 pretty please [14:56] Launchpad bug 594608 in lucid-backports "Please backport qtgain from maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594608 [15:00] [grantlee] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100615140005-z211hv33zb0ij2sr * debian/changelog releasing version 0.1.1-0ubuntu2 [15:01] Riddell: still fails with new error : http://pastebin.com/Tcs38ivf [15:02] shadeslayer: how did you work around the first one? [15:02] ah, dh_clean [15:03] Riddell: :) [15:04] dh_clean may well not be enough, qmake has horrible clean failures [15:04] shadeslayer: I'd try it with a freshly unpacked tar [15:04] hmm.. ok [15:05] Riddell: btw any idea where the Show Desktop plasmoid disappeared in maverick? [15:05] nope [15:06] Riddell: oh and can i rename the original tarball and the extracted folder? [15:06] in qtcreator [15:06] rename to what? [15:06] extracted folder doesn't matter one way or the other [15:07] Riddell: from qt-creator-2.0.0-rc1-src to qt-creator-2.0.0~rc1 [15:07] tar needs to be qtcreator_2.0.0~rc1.orig.tar.gz [15:07] yep [15:07] s/-/ [15:08] JontheEchidna: I think we should move bug 573977 out of kubuntu-meta, it just does not belong there. [15:08] Launchpad bug 573977 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "plymouth-x11 should use Xlib instead of GTK+" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573977 [15:10] apachelogger: we could make the seed change [15:10] JontheEchidna: to? [15:10] JontheEchidna: not seed plymouth? [15:10] not seed plymouth-x11 [15:10] which slangasek says is optional [15:11] Why do we have it then? ^^ [15:11] And what is it ^^ [15:11] !info plymouth-x11 [15:11] plymouth-x11 (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - X11 interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 24 kB, installed size 92 kB [15:11] apt-cache show plymouth-x11 is a bit more informative [15:12] I think it's the thing that allows you to run plymouth inside your session to test your themes, and the like [15:12] but we're only using it for before X is started, and after it is shut down [15:12] JontheEchidna: What we need is -x11 split to have a gtk and an unwritten Qt front end. [15:13] hm [15:14]