[00:17] <goodtime> anyone here know why my cam freezes my os
[00:17] <goodtime> its a web cam
[00:30] <ekseniks> what program are you using to view it with?
[00:33] <goodtime> cheese
[00:33] <goodtime> ekseniks:  im useing cheese
[00:33] <ekseniks> hmm.. i'm also using cheese but it seems to work fine.. did you install the qc-usb-source drivers?
[00:33] <goodtime> is there a better one
[00:34] <goodtime> nope i didnt
[00:34] <goodtime> heh
[00:34] <goodtime> can i get the command
[00:34] <ekseniks> what flavour are you runing?
[00:34] <ekseniks> running*
[00:34] <goodtime> ubuntu 10.04
[00:34] <ekseniks> ok type
[00:35] <ekseniks> "sudo apt-get install qc-usb-source"
[00:35] <goodtime> ty:)
[00:36] <ekseniks> i did this package too but i'm not sure if its needed "sudo apt-get install qc-usb-utils"
[00:36] <goodtime> ok will see
[00:37] <goodtime> it semm to be doing alot
[00:37] <ekseniks> lol ye it freaked me out the first time too :P
[00:38] <goodtime> ok ill give it a try
[00:38] <goodtime> No device found
[00:38] <goodtime> hmm ill try the other one
[00:38] <goodtime> hey at least i didnt freeze up
[00:38] <goodtime> lol
[00:39] <ekseniks> if you look in \dev do you have a file called vidoe0 ?
[00:40] <goodtime> naw it ran its course but i might have to reboot i got the same result
[00:40] <ekseniks> http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ check if your web cam is supported
[00:41] <goodtime> brb
[00:41] <ekseniks> kk
[00:44] <goodtime> yeah its wacked now lol
[00:44] <goodtime> wont even start
[00:44] <goodtime> had to force quit
[00:44] <ekseniks> check and see if its supported
[00:44] <ekseniks> http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
[00:45] <goodtime> it ran befor with kubuntu idk
[00:46] <goodtime> so if it did it once it will work again i just need the right stuff for it
[00:46] <ekseniks> what web cam is it?
[00:46] <goodtime> gear head
[00:46] <goodtime> looks like a robot
[00:47] <goodtime> lool
[00:47] <ekseniks> lol
[00:47] <goodtime> lol*
[00:47] <ekseniks> have you tried to google drivers for it?
[00:47] <goodtime> nope
[00:47] <goodtime> I JUST THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE PAINLESS COMMING HERE
[00:47] <goodtime> OOP
[00:47] <goodtime> there
[00:48] <goodtime> caps
[00:48] <goodtime> ill try
[00:48] <ekseniks> thats how i found mine.. give it a try if you don't come right with drivers you'll at least find a bunch of people telling you it won't work :P
[00:49] <goodtime> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=gearhead+web+camera&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16172597942476334540&ei=9b8WTOziIMLflgeczLy3Cw&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ8gIwAw#
[00:49] <goodtime> thats what i have
[00:50] <ekseniks> hmmm
[00:53] <ekseniks> my internet is really messing me around but try this link and see what you can find
[00:53] <ekseniks> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2009/03/01/howto-gear-head-web-cam-093a2620-in-linux/
[00:54] <ekseniks> i can't load the page :/
[00:57] <goodtime> not supported by the current kernel 2.6.27
[00:57] <goodtime> oh well
[00:57] <goodtime> ill junk it
[00:57] <ekseniks> :/
[00:58] <goodtime> it 10$
[00:58] <goodtime> looks cool though
[00:58] <goodtime> ill hang it outside my door and no one will do anything wrong lol
[00:59] <ekseniks> lol thats a nice plan :P
[01:56] <goodtime> i might be able to do it
[01:57] <goodtime> that kernnel is from 8.10
[01:57] <goodtime> hmmm
[01:57] <goodtime> so there hope fro the stupid cheap thing
[01:58] <goodtime> for*
[03:17] <dragondon> can someone help me manage my logs.  They keep recording dropped/aborted/limited events despite havig removed them and something keeps adding those rules back in....getting very frustrating to troubleshoot real software issues with I have 80,000 lines of nothing but those 3 iptables rules....
[03:26] <stlsaint> dragondon: you have a log issue or iptables issue?
[03:27] <dragondon> iptables I guess really.  These rules seem to keep being re-added after I've deleted them.
[03:29] <stlsaint> dragondon: you flush them and start fresh? (since you only have 3 rules?)
[03:31] <dragondon> stlsaint: actually, there are more, it's just 3 that are filling up the logs.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/449916/
[03:33] <stlsaint> dragondon: are you using iptables via cli and trying to use UFW?
[03:34] <stlsaint> dragondon: are you having ufw log anything?
[03:34] <dragondon> that sounds like what I am doing.....iptables/cli-ufw
[03:34] <dragondon> don't know about ufw logging.....is it enabld by default?
[03:35] <stlsaint> dragondon: are you using these on a laptop or server?
[03:36] <dragondon> stlsaint: desktop
[03:36] <dragondon> stlsaint: old Dell Dimensoin 1100
[03:38] <stlsaint> dragondon: ok well i suggest you flush any rules you set via cli and just go with ufw since you have a gui
[03:38] <stlsaint> dragondon: you can save those rules if you feel inclined of course..
[03:39] <dragondon> stlsaint: they are already saved in a text file if I really need them.
[03:39] <stlsaint> kk
[03:39] <dragondon> stlsaint: actually, I've saved multiple versions as I've deleted rules....now as for flushing, and so I get it right, would this be done via gui or cli?
[03:41] <stlsaint> i would suggest a quick flush via cli
[03:42] <stlsaint> dragondon: iptables -F
[03:44] <dragondon> stlsaint: done
[03:44] <stlsaint> dragondon: no set your rules via ufw and dont bother entering any rules via cli
[03:46] <dragondon> stlsaint: ok, so I am using Guarddog for gui, but it sems that I still have to do sudo ufw enable to start tthe ufw....and on every reboot as well.
[03:48] <stlsaint> dragondon: i have never used guarddog so im not sure about that
[03:48] <dragondon> stlsaint: do you use a gui or cli for iptables management?
[03:48] <stlsaint> dragondon: i use either firestarter/ufw for workstations and iptables cli for servers
[03:49] <dragondon> stlsaint: ok....i liked Guarddog better than Firestarter when I briefly tried it awhile back.
[03:50] <dragondon> stlsaint: well, 5 mins and no more logging of stupid rules......let see how long this lasts, was at this point before a few times.....
[03:51] <stlsaint> dragondon: tail that log file so you can see what actions are starting the log....
[03:53] <stlsaint> dragondon: use the tail command
[03:53] <stlsaint> dragondon: tail -f /var/log/....
[03:55] <dragondon> stlsaint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449922/
[03:56] <stlsaint> dragondon: what log is that?
[03:57] <dragondon> messages....sorry....did you want to see some other one?
[03:57] <stlsaint> is that the log that keeps getting full on you?
[03:57] <dragondon> yeah
[03:59] <stlsaint> LOL...looks like someone is interested in you...unless you recognize those ip's! :D
[04:00] <dragondon> I think those are from my torrent client.....although I saw this in the syslog:  ntpd[18226]: sendto(211.115.194.21) (fd=21): Operation not permitted
[04:01] <dragondon> that's a Korean ip address.....I am actually trying to help my wife find a job ove there teaching English.....
[04:01] <stlsaint> ok, i can tell you now that you probably dont have the correct rules in place for you to be torrenting in/out
[04:01] <dragondon> well, even after the flush now with using a gui and allowing the client's port? 51413
[04:02] <stlsaint> what else is that log saying now?
[04:04] <dragondon> dazmmit....it's back again.....truly frustrating....filling up with aborted/dropped crap.....
[04:04] <stlsaint> dragondon: hrm, other sources are saying bad network card...
[04:05] <dragondon> doh...nevermind.....just loading up the log was slow.....ugh...
[04:05] <stlsaint> i thought something was fishy with those abortions/and not receiving ACK packets means they are being dropped....
[04:05] <dragondon> the log has no new messages in it for the last 10mins.
[04:06] <dragondon> so knowing that, would that be normal for a torrent client to see?
[04:07] <stlsaint> not sure...im not getting anything like that on my logs so i still point to network issue, try dropping all firewall rules and carrying on business as usual...keep torrenting or whatever and watch that log file
[04:08] <dragondon> this all started because a progam that was running just fine (Banshee) now won't open....trying to find the right log to see what might be recorded...
[04:10] <stlsaint> its going to be in your messages log
[04:15] <dragondon> never saw anything there....not important at the moment.....have a side question....anyidea what the hell this red line is in IRC? http://imagebin.org/101364
[04:16] <stlsaint> what client are you using?
[04:17] <stlsaint> dragondon: thats prolly just a client break point or something...but i must depart now
[04:17] <dragondon> thanks for all your help!
[04:17] <aveilleux> dragondon: It's to mark when you moused off the window
[04:17] <stlsaint> hopefully that log issue will stop with the iptables rules gone...
[04:17] <stlsaint> dragondon: no prob
[04:17] <dragondon> hopefully
[04:17] <stlsaint> aveilleux: yea something like that
[04:18] <dragondon> aveilleux: if that were the case, then there should be a ton given the fact that I've been doing all my looking up on a whoel different desktop
[04:18] <aveilleux> dragondon: It resets when the window gets focus
[04:20] <dragondon> aveilleux: not quite following what you mean.....if I am into another desktop/window and that causes the redline, then that red line should be pretty much a continual thing for when I do this troubleshooting....
[04:21] <aveilleux> dragondon: If you're using XChat or Pidgin, that's what it is. What client are you using?
[04:21] <dragondon> aveilleux: Quassel
[04:22] <aveilleux> dragondon: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/755
[04:23] <dragondon> aveilleux: thanks for the info......still don't get it's useage for me....at least I know what it kinda is....
[04:24] <aveilleux> dragondon: I guess it's buggy in Quassel.
[04:24] <dragondon> aveilleux: maybe....just a curiosity more than anything....
[12:18] <mongoosedog> heys guys, is anyone here fro australia? i got a new modom from testra bigpond is comes with a software disc i will admit i haven't tried it yet but will it work, it's designed for windows
[12:33] <duanedesign> hello mong...
[12:33] <mohi2911> duanedesign, fail :P
[12:33] <duanedesign> :P
[12:34] <mohi2911> duanedesign, saw my memo?
[13:09] <marcr> i installed ubuntu on my computer and delete windows except for the factory image, now i am trying to re  install windows by using the recovery, but i get a 0x400110020000100A error, i want to make the machine dual boot again any help? thanks in advance
[13:11] <duanedesign> marcr: it seems this problem is caused by the chipset still seeing a active partition on the hard drive
[13:11] <marcr> how do i fix this?
[13:13] <marcr> i don't even know what a chipset is lol
[13:17] <duanedesign> marcr: not sure...
[13:18] <marcr> i have been hammering google for an answer
[13:22] <duanedesign> marcr: is this Vista?
[13:23] <marcr> yes
[13:28] <duanedesign> might see comments 2 and 4 - http://www.pchelpforum.com/blue-screen-errors/77814-help-me-system-recovery-error.html
[13:32] <marcr> ty duane
[13:38] <ekseniks> hey guys
[13:39] <ekseniks> how do you mount iso's like you used to with daemon tools?
[13:40] <Puck`> hi ekseniks, see: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[13:40] <Silver_Fox_> gISOmount
[13:40] <ekseniks> thanks guys
[13:40] <Silver_Fox_> Nice Puck`
[13:40] <Puck`> hi Silver_Fox_ (:
[13:40] <Silver_Fox_> Didn't realise that nautilus supports that
[13:40] <Silver_Fox_> =]
[13:41] <Silver_Fox_> Go with Puck` s suggestion first ekseniks  :)
[13:41] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck`  :)
[13:41] <Silver_Fox_> How goes the radio ?
[13:41] <Puck`> ok ok, now we have the site on focus, kinda redo, or build up from scratch
[13:43] <Silver_Fox_> Cool
[13:43] <Puck`> are you still on your trip ? (:
[13:44] <Silver_Fox_> No,  I came back to the UK last friday
[13:44] <Silver_Fox_> Trip to USA was brillant
[13:44] <Silver_Fox_> brilliant
[13:44] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[13:49] <ekseniks> ah guys... unfortunatly the images aren't iso's?
[13:49] <ekseniks> the scritp doesn't show up
[13:51] <ekseniks> whats easier, converting the images or changing the script?
[13:53] <geirha> What are they then?  file the_image.iso, or right-click -> properies -> Type: says?
[13:53] <Silver_Fox_> Image file should be .iso
[13:53] <Silver_Fox_> What is right click properties tell you about file type ?
[13:54] <ekseniks> these ones are .cue and .bin
[13:54] <ekseniks> the old clone cd images
[13:55] <Puck`> ekseniks: convert the images, see: http://www.howtodothings.com/computers-internet/how-to-convert-cue-bin-nrg-img-mdf-files-to-iso-files-on-ubuntu-linux
[13:55] <geirha> Are they VCDs? If so, players like VLC and mplayer should be able to play them directly
[13:55] <ekseniks> thanks Puck` !
[13:55] <ekseniks> geirha, they are game images
[13:56] <Puck`> ekseniks: my pleasure as always (:
[13:56] <geirha> Ah, then you want to convert them to iso
[13:56] <Puck`> ekseniks: note that you only need bchunk and not the rest for the cue/bin
[13:57] <Puck`> so sudo apt-get install bchunk should be enough, and then the command: "bchunk filename.bin filename.cue filename.iso"
[13:57] <marcr> guys how can i get an install disk for my new modem to run on ubuntu?
[13:58] <ekseniks> is it bad to get them all? cause i figured somewhere along my travels i'll run into another format
[13:58] <Puck`> ekseniks: oh no, not at all, i just pointed that out, that it would be faster to finish, but if you think you'll run in to the all of the formats, it's good to have them, and then remember you have it (:
[13:58] <ekseniks> marcr, that cd is almost definitly for windows only
[13:59] <marcr> and i can't get my windows back either
[13:59] <ekseniks> just a side Q linux isn't like windows where if you just install all the apps in the world you pc will slow down to point of falling over and dying?
[13:59] <marcr> the recory program start but i get an error
[14:00] <erblover> hi, im a total newbie to linux ubuntu and this site, y little bro passed me a cd and said "try this". that was a couple of months ago windows hasn't been started since :). the only real prob i have is my webcam. its inbuilt into my laptop and wont start up.
[14:01] <Puck`> ekseniks: oh no, there are no dll's and processes that run in the background, linux keeps things a bit more cleaner, but you always have to know what you're running
[14:01] <Puck`> ekseniks: i mean there are background processes, it's just that there aren't as many, and usually you know about those (:
[14:01] <Puck`> erblover: how did you try your webcam?
[14:02] <ekseniks> thanks again Puck`
[14:02] <Puck`> ekseniks: *winks*
[14:03] <marcr> so frustrated with this friggin machine, i knew i should just left it alone
[14:05] <erblover> through various websites
[14:05] <Puck`> erblover: there is a webcam application, if I could only remember it, it's in the ubuntu netbook edition too by default .. Cheese webcam?
[14:06] <Puck`> i think it is Cheese, try to search for that through the appstore and give it a try, websites may have other problems, and also flash could come in the picture
[14:07] <erblover> i'll give it a try, thanks
[14:08] <Puck`> my pleasure (:
[14:24] <erblover> nice one Puck, webcam runs :)
[14:29]  * ekseniks thinks Puck` is the new god of n00bs :P
[14:34] <Puck`> LOL ekseniks ((:
[14:35] <ekseniks> i wonder... do you know how to setup an ftp without too much mission?
[14:35] <Puck`> ekseniks: sure, sudo apt-get install proftpd and it's up running and ok (:
[14:36] <Puck`> your login is your username and password you already have to login to the system
[14:37] <ekseniks> can you allow anon access?
[14:37] <Puck`> ekseniks: yes, proftpd does have that option, but you need to edit the configuration file
[14:37] <ekseniks> i want to share stuff with a friend but he's a 1000 miles away
[14:38] <ekseniks> is there a gui?
[14:38] <Puck`> ekseniks: unfortunately none i know off, i only setup this on servers. But you could use Ubuntu One or Dropbox
[14:39] <aveilleux> ekseniks: Yes, it's called gproftpd
[14:39] <Puck`> there you go
[14:39] <ekseniks> i'll give Proftp a try
[14:39] <aveilleux> ekseniks: or kproftpd on KDE
[14:39] <Puck`> ekseniks: it's proftpd *winks*
[14:39] <ekseniks> rad!
[14:39] <Puck`> notice the d there (:
[14:39] <aveilleux> ekseniks: The "d" means "daemon", meaning a UNIX system service
[14:40] <ekseniks> ta
[14:41] <Puck`> be right back, cigarette time (:
[14:41] <ekseniks> ah ok.. so how do i get the g version of it?
[14:41] <ekseniks> tried the sudo apt-get install gproftpd
[14:41] <ekseniks> but didn't work
[14:43] <aveilleux> ekseniks: gadmin-proftpd
[14:43] <ekseniks> awesome thanks :)
[14:43] <aveilleux> ekseniks: You're welcome :3
[14:53] <Puck`> back
[14:54] <Silver_Fox_> Welcome back Puck`
[14:54] <mohi2911> :'( you forgot to greet me :'(
[14:55] <Puck`> thank you Silver_Fox_ (:
[14:55] <Silver_Fox_> And mohi2911
[14:55] <Silver_Fox_> Pleasure Puck`
[14:56] <mohi2911> (:
[14:56] <geirha> Hm. P looks too similar to F in this font
[14:56] <geirha> I keep seeing bad words.
[14:57] <Puck`> now now geirha ((:
[14:58] <Puck`> my nick comes from Shakespeare's A Midsummer's Night Dream, the evil elf/nature spirit had this name. Just to clarify things *winks*
[14:59] <Silver_Fox_> I thought it was a reference.  You and hobgoblin would get on a ball Puck`  :)
[15:00] <Silver_Fox_> Puck` wasn't evil as such i thought,  just mischievous
[15:00] <Silver_Fox_> Unless you disagree
[15:00] <Silver_Fox_> =]
[15:01] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: well, he was nicely evil :P
[15:01] <Silver_Fox_> Like me ;)
[15:01] <Puck`> he was making sure things would go hectic on purpose
[15:01] <Silver_Fox_> Ya
[15:01] <Puck`> just put a bit of fun and colour in some earthligs lifes :P
[15:06] <Puck`> Portugal 0 - 0 Cote D'Azure, match just started, YAY
[15:12] <mohi2911> Puck`, still having autojoin on invite enabled?? :P
[15:12] <Puck`> mohi2911: don't even try that !
[15:12] <Puck`> ((:
[15:12] <mohi2911> aww lol
[16:31] <hobgoblin> Puck`: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?" ;)
[16:40]  * Puck` smiles wide
[16:40] <Puck`> so true :P
[16:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:42]  * hobgoblin reads logs when he gets home 
[18:31] <paultag> Hey beginners team, I need some help with Filesystems
[18:32] <paultag> How can I set up a filesystem merge: e.g.
[18:32] <paultag> mount Image1, make changes to Image1, pop modifications off, unmount Image1
[18:32] <paultag> _or_ mount image1, made modifications, unmount image1, and then have the changes alone
[18:32] <paultag> either will work
[18:34] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: poke
[18:34] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: I have a question that needs a guru :)
[18:35] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: let me know if you are free to help :)
[18:39] <paultag> 20 paultag points to the victor :)
[18:40] <zkriesse> paultag: what's up?
[18:40] <paultag> see backlock zkriesse
[18:42] <zkriesse> paultag: ok so what's going on?
[18:42] <paultag> see backlock zkriesse
[18:43] <paultag> 17:31:56 < paultag> Hey beginners team, I need some help with Filesystems
[18:43] <paultag> 17:32:04 < paultag> How can I set up a filesystem merge: e.g.
[18:43] <paultag> 17:32:27 < paultag> mount Image1, make changes to Image1, pop modifications off, unmount Image1
[18:43] <paultag> 17:32:46 < paultag> _or_ mount image1, made modifications, unmount image1, and then have the changes alone
[18:43] <paultag> 17:32:48 < paultag> either will work
[18:43] <zkriesse> hmm
[18:44] <paultag> hacks will recieve a negitive paultag point count
[18:44] <zkriesse> well since i don't hack i guess that won't happen
[18:45] <paultag> zkriesse: you don't hack? how did you install Ubuntu? If you tweek out your computer you are a hacker
[18:45] <paultag> zkriesse: you are not a _cracker_
[18:45] <zkriesse> oh....
[18:45] <paultag> zkriesse: don't confuse that under penelty of death
[18:45]  * aveilleux twitches
[18:45] <zkriesse> lol
[18:46] <aveilleux> "Tweek"..... *twitch*
[18:46] <paultag> aveilleux: I prey to christ you are on my side
[18:46] <aveilleux> I'm twitching at your spelling of the word "tweak"
[18:46] <paultag> ahhha
[18:46] <paultag> yes, rightly so
[18:46] <paultag> :)
[18:47] <aveilleux> I'm a member of an art website, so I constantly see "I just tweeked something from an older submission lol"
[18:47] <aveilleux> Once I learn how to slap people over TCP/IP....
[18:47] <paultag> aveilleux: you can tweek there spelling
[18:47] <aveilleux> FffFfF
[18:47] <aveilleux> FFFffFFFfffFfF
[18:48] <aveilleux> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
[18:48] <paultag> aveilleux: could care less
[18:48] <zkriesse> paultag: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r9.gima200/muufsds.htm
[18:48] <zkriesse> something while i continue my searcdh
[18:48] <paultag> aveilleux: >:D I have descoved you're weekness
[18:49]  * aveilleux convulses
[18:49] <paultag> zkriesse: that's z/OS
[18:49] <paultag> zkriesse: not GNU/Linux
[18:49] <zkriesse> well it was a start
[18:49] <paultag> zkriesse: and it's for HFS and zFS
[18:49] <zkriesse> gimme a minute
[18:49] <paultag> zkriesse: I'm looking for ext* / btrfs
[18:49] <zkriesse> ok
[18:50] <paultag> GODDAMNIT SMEAG0L
[18:50] <paultag> that command is so not right
[18:50] <paultag> it makes me hurt inside every time
[18:50] <paultag> GAWD
[18:51] <paultag> smeag0l: dude your part message makes me want to commit vehicular manslaughter
[18:51] <paultag> smeag0l: >:(
[18:51] <zkriesse> paultag: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Filesystems-HOWTO-2.html
[18:51] <zkriesse> maybe?
[18:51] <paultag> sec zkriesse
[18:51] <paultag> smeag0l: :)
[18:52] <paultag> naw zkriesse, that's just an overview of different partition types
[18:52] <zkriesse> damnit!
[18:52] <paultag> zkriesse: I want to make a partition look like another, but write to the first partition
[18:52] <aveilleux> !language |zkreisse
[18:52] <ubot2> zkreisse: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:52] <zkriesse> aveilleux: don't....not now
[18:52] <paultag> e.g. perfect copy, and do all writes to a diff
[18:53] <aveilleux> :P
[18:53] <paultag> !coc
[18:53] <ubot2> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .
[18:53] <zkriesse> paultag: ok copying the main but writing to the original
[18:53] <zkriesse> paultag: is that right?
[18:53] <paultag> zkriesse: no copying going on, it should do it as part of the function of the way it's done
[18:53] <zkriesse> hmm
[18:53] <paultag> zkriesse: so you mount a "table"
[18:54] <paultag> zkriesse: and you put a "glass" on top of the table
[18:54] <paultag> you can write to the glass, and take the glass off, and have a perfect table
[18:54] <paultag> then also have a glass you can swap in and out
[18:54] <zkriesse> hmm...wow
[18:54] <zkriesse> what the heck are you doing that for?
[18:54] <paultag> zkriesse: oh you know. Just have some ideas that I want to play with
[18:55] <zkriesse> paultag: you and your crazy idead
[18:55] <zkriesse> "ideas
[18:55] <paultag> zkriesse: more often then not they work out well
[18:55] <paultag> aveilleux: any ideas on this?
[18:55] <zkriesse> well unfortunately i have no idea where to start searching for this
[18:55] <paultag> zkriesse: that's what makes it a good question to test the UBT with
[18:56] <aveilleux> paultag: It sounds like you'd want to save the filesystem state, then perform the changes, then diff, then save the changed portions elsewhere
[18:56] <paultag> aveilleux: aye, but idealy writes would go to another fs
[18:56] <paultag> aveilleux: to make the first image ro would be perfect
[18:57] <aveilleux> paultag: ro... read-only?
[18:57] <paultag> aveilleux: yup
[18:57] <aveilleux> hm
[18:58] <paultag> aveilleux: so this would work with, say, a cdrom drive as the base image
[18:58] <aveilleux> paultag: Is there a particular application you have in mind, or just in general?
[18:58] <paultag> aveilleux: just had this as an idea and wanted to see if anyone on the UBT could track it down. Perhaps in the long run I'll do something with a automatic package builder
[18:59] <paultag> aveilleux: so that I can do a make install, and roll back the base image
[19:01] <paultag> BRB
[19:01] <paultag> meditate on it aveilleux, zkriesse
[19:01] <aveilleux> I'll think on it, paultag
[19:05] <paultag> aveilleux: let me know :)
[19:05] <paultag> Be forewarned, this is both a quality control check of the UBT and a question I want to know :)
[19:05] <paultag> and you will get super rare paultag points
[19:06] <aveilleux> Oh dear
[19:14] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: was afk, what's up ?
[19:14] <domex> hello
[19:14] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: read scrollback
[19:15] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: it's an interesting issue
[19:15] <domex> does anyone know of a internet caffe software for ubuntu
[19:15] <domex> ?
[19:15] <paultag> domex: what do you mean?
[19:16] <Silver_Fox_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6487660&postcount=8
[19:16] <Silver_Fox_> Anyway I need to go for a bit. Back soon
[19:16] <domex> well i have a internet caffe shop and i have small lan of computers with xp but i will like to install ubuntu on all of the but i need a way to control access and keep trak of the time per session
[19:17] <domex> thanks silver fox
[19:18] <bodhi_zazen> domex search google for kiosk + gnome or kiosk + KDE
[19:19] <ddecator> hm, i know internet cafes have used ubuntu on their computers before, but i don't know the people who have done it so i'm not sure how they set it up
[19:19] <bodhi_zazen> paultag: not sure what you are wanting in terms of a file system, of the top of my head diff ?
[19:19] <domex> thanks bodhi_zazen
[19:20] <bodhi_zazen> domex: you will find complete walk throughs for how to set up a kiosk, including billing and tracking (time), not sure how well or poor they work.
[19:21] <domex> Ah thats great thank you thats exactly what i need
[19:23] <domex> now im just trying get windows live messenger working with wine aswell as yahoo messenger
[19:23] <domex> i install xubuntu on one of the client machines for testing
[19:26] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: let's say you have a write only dd image
[19:26] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: you mount that to /mnt
[19:26] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: you mount an overlay ( let's say another dd image ) to /mnt, and echo "Foo" > /mnt/foo
[19:26] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: you unmount both filesystems. The first is flawless, and the second has "Foo" in it
[19:26] <paultag> bodhi_zazen: so that you can have a template in the first, and a diff in the second
[19:27] <domex> quit
[19:27] <domex> exit
[19:27] <paultag> domex: /quit
[19:27] <paultag> well, OK then
[19:31] <zkriesse> paultag: so...working on a cool blog
[19:31] <paultag> zkriesse: o'rly?
[19:31] <zkriesse> paultag: yup
[19:31] <paultag> what's it on
[19:31] <zkriesse> Wordpress
[19:32] <paultag> it's a Wordpress blog on Wordpress?
[19:32] <zkriesse> Yup
[19:32] <paultag> well shit
[19:33] <zkriesse> What
[19:33] <paultag> you should go for irony zkriesse
[19:33] <zkriesse> irony?
[19:33] <paultag> zkriesse: you should make it a drupel site about Wordpress
[19:33] <zkriesse> lol
[19:33] <zkriesse> drupal
[19:33] <paultag> that's the one
[19:34] <paultag> what about wordpress in particular zkriesse?
[19:34] <zkriesse> what are you taling about?
[19:34] <zkriesse> I'm confused
[19:34] <paultag> zkriesse: you said you have a blog about wordpress, what part of wordpress are you blogging about
[19:35] <zkriesse> I have a blog that is USING wordpress
[19:35] <zkriesse> it's not a blog about wordpress
[19:35] <zkriesse> i'm using wordpress for the blog
[19:35] <paultag> 18:32:01 < paultag> it's a Wordpress blog on Wordpress?
[19:35] <paultag> 18:32:07 <+zkriesse> Yup
[19:35] <paultag> 18:31:45 < paultag> what's it on
[19:35] <paultag> 18:31:52 <+zkriesse> Wordpress
[19:35] <zkriesse> The way you put it meant was wordpress hosting it
[19:35] <zkriesse> that's the way i took it
[19:35] <paultag> well I don't care about that
[19:35] <zkriesse> Ok NO Then
[19:35] <zkriesse> It's NOT
[19:35] <zkriesse> lol
[19:35] <paultag> rad
[19:36] <paultag> what's it on zkriesse
[19:36] <zkriesse> jesh paultag
[19:36] <zkriesse> Ubuntu
[19:36] <paultag> Ahha
[19:36] <paultag> what's it called
[19:36] <paultag> you need a clever name
[19:36] <zkriesse> Switch2Tux
[19:37] <paultag> don't you already have switch2nix or something?
[19:37] <zkriesse> that's on blogspot
[19:37] <paultag> zkriesse: well shit. Why not do something new?
[19:37] <zkriesse> which i'm gonna drop as it's not configurable enough
[19:37] <paultag> zkriesse: ahha
[19:37] <paultag> zkriesse: then forge ahead!
[19:37] <zkriesse> :D
[19:38] <zkriesse> like i need permission from you
[19:38] <paultag> fair enough
[19:38] <paultag> I'm just saying, I agree with what you are doing, and I think it's cool
[19:38] <paultag> but if you don't want my endorsement
[19:38] <paultag> then fine
[19:38] <paultag> it's dumb as hell
[19:38] <paultag> how does that feel?
[19:38] <paultag> yeah, stings, eh? >:D
[19:39] <zkriesse> lol
[19:39] <zkriesse> Ok paultag I'll take your endorsement
[19:39] <zkriesse> lol
[19:39] <paultag> well OK then
[19:39] <zkriesse> thanks for your AWESOME SUPPORT
[19:39] <paultag> Forge ahead then!
[19:39] <smeag0l> paultag, i'll change it :)
[19:39] <paultag> smeag0l: ;)
[19:39] <paultag> smeag0l: I was mostly kidding, because it just looks like it will cause SO many issues
[19:40] <paultag> smeag0l: you can't have an uppercase username
[19:40] <smeag0l> oh i see
[19:40] <paultag> smeag0l: you should not do a -R on a /dev/
[19:40] <paultag> smeag0l: the /dev should be owned by root
[19:40] <paultag> smeag0l: the /home/ dir of the user should be owned by user:user
[19:40] <paultag> smeag0l: :P
[19:40] <smeag0l> okay
[19:41] <paultag> smeag0l: :D
[19:41] <paultag> smeag0l: I've noticed that for a while now and lol'd but this morning someone did something just like that and I got scared
[19:42] <zkriesse> paultag: i need a good blog name
[19:42] <paultag> zkriesse: ohhhh yeah
[19:42] <zkriesse> the url is switch2tux
[19:42] <paultag> zkriesse: OK, let me think
[19:42] <zkriesse> I'm aiming this to be about basic ubuntu installations setup, getting started things like that
[19:42] <paultag> Oh easy!!!
[19:42] <paultag> zkriesse: n00buntu
[19:43] <zkriesse> No...you sure?
[19:43] <paultag> zkriesse: ubuntu for n00bs
[19:43] <paultag> n00buntu
[19:43] <zkriesse> That's not catchy
[19:43] <paultag> bullshit!
[19:43] <paultag> if you don't want it I'm so takin it
[19:43] <zkriesse> Lol
[19:43] <zkriesse> what's your blog?
[19:43] <zkriesse> I'll add you or somethin
[19:43] <paultag> zkriesse: http://blog.paultags.com/
[19:44] <zkriesse> lol
[19:45] <paultag> wut
[19:46] <zkriesse> Nothing
[19:46] <zkriesse> I didn't say anything!
[19:46] <paultag> well alright then
[19:47] <zkriesse> Ubuntu fo Beginners... is what i called it
[19:47] <paultag> BAH!
[19:47] <zkriesse> shutup
[19:47] <paultag> n00buntu is glorious
[19:47] <zkriesse> CHUTUP PAULTAG!!!
[19:48] <paultag> zkriesse: in two weeks when can remember "n00buntu" because it's like goddamn superglue on the brain don't come cy'en to me!
[19:48] <zkriesse> whatava
[19:49] <paultag> I'm sayin
[19:49] <paultag> it's a sweet name
[19:49] <paultag> and you are missing out like a camp
[19:49] <paultag> champ
[19:52] <aveilleux> I'll take that name then
[19:54]  * zkriesse takes the name
[19:54] <zkriesse> HAHA~
[19:54] <paultag> aveilleux: take it :)
[19:54] <paultag> n00buntu -- ubuntu for n00bs
[19:54] <paultag> it's perfect
[19:54] <paultag> and catchy
[19:54] <aveilleux> Registering the domain now, probably be about an hour before the DNS updates
[19:55] <paultag> :D
[19:55] <paultag> aveilleux wins!
[19:55] <aveilleux> I have full control over my domain names, and so http://n00buntu.sublevel21.com/ will exist in roughly an hour when the DNS updates
[19:55] <paultag> Awww
[19:55] <paultag> I thought you got n00buntu.com
[19:55] <aveilleux> Well I can do that too
[19:55] <paultag> I can see it aveilleux :)
[19:55] <aveilleux> I'd have to set up a new server though
[19:55] <paultag>   I took the name because Zach didn't like it. His loss!
[19:56] <paultag> aveilleux: not true :)
[19:56] <aveilleux> I'm getting a 404
[19:56] <paultag> aveilleux: set up a virtual host for it
[19:56] <paultag> aveilleux: I have 5 sites on one server right now
[19:56] <aveilleux> paultag: Yeah I know, but I plan on redoing my server soon so I'll do it then
[19:56] <paultag> aveilleux: blog.paultags, paultags, and whube.com, wiki.whube, etc is all on one
[19:56] <paultag> aveilleux: as well as other domains I won't share here :)
[20:33] <zkriesse> welcome sqaur
[20:33] <zkriesse> dang it ..... squaregoldfish hello
[20:35] <nuboon2age_> question: with the news that Meerkat won't support less than i686, how do I tell which i*86 my machine is?  reference http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-wont-run.html
[20:36] <squaregoldfish> Hello. Sorry, not paying attention!
[20:36] <zkriesse> squaregoldfish: it's ok
[20:36] <squaregoldfish> What's up?
[20:37] <zkriesse> nuboon2age_: AH...don't know off the top o' my head
[20:37] <squaregoldfish> nuboon2age_:What processor have you got?
[20:37] <zkriesse> squaregoldfish: managing my blog, forums, working in the 17 other channels i'm on
[20:38] <aveilleux> nuboon2age_: Unless the CPU was made before like... 1990, I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume it's i686. Maybe earlier, I don't know the generation specifics
[20:38] <squaregoldfish> I'm just hanging around in case I can help.
[20:39] <aveilleux> My bad... 1995, nuboon2age
[20:39] <nuboon2age_> squaregoldfish: from cat /proc/cpuinfo:  cpu family : 6, model : 13 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1.40GHz
[20:40] <aveilleux> nuboon2age: The Celeron M uses i686 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture)#P6_based_chips
[20:40] <aveilleux> ....
[20:40] <squaregoldfish> nuboon2age_: Youll be fine
[20:40] <aveilleux> nuboon2age_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29#P6_based_chips
[20:45] <nuboon2age_> aveilleux: squaregoldfish: whew, that link is very reassuring.  Thank you so much!
[20:48] <squaregoldfish> I think aveilleux did better than me!
[20:48] <aveilleux> squaregoldfish: I have a black belt in Google-fu
[20:51] <nuboon2age_> aveilleux: I'm good w/ Google-fu also, but sometimes someone else has the right terms to search for when i don't.  Like in this case p6 was a key term i didn't know about. I got lost in all the intel terminology a long time ago.  :) So thanks!
[20:52] <aveilleux> nuboon2age_: Wiki on i686 told me P6 was the official name ;P
[21:08] <zkriesse> hmm
[21:10] <squaregoldfish> zkriesse: ?
[21:10] <zkriesse> squaregoldfish: Oh I don't know
[21:10] <squaregoldfish> This is a bit abstract for me!
[21:38] <tpjmiami> hi paultag
[21:38] <paultag> hey tpjmiami
[21:40] <tpjmiami> wondering if u had any thoughts on whether i should update alsa, to solve this mic problem
[21:41] <paultag> tpjmiami: one sec, I'm in a meeting
[21:41] <paultag> tpjmiami: i'm on the loco council and it's our monthy meeting
[21:43] <tpjmiami> ok, let me know when free?
[21:43] <paultag> tpjmiami: it will be a while, try poking a few other people who delt with the issue :)
[21:47] <tpjmiami> none online now, so will just hang here for a few hours
[21:47] <tpjmiami> but do let me know if u get free later
[21:50] <AJH101> Hello I am running Lucid on a dual boot Lenovo laptop but my touchpad has stopped working. Any ideas?
[21:50] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: or anyone, do the linux av programs check for linux viruses or just windows viruses?  It sounds like a silly question, but over on #Ubuntu someone said they only check for Windows viruses.
[21:55] <zkriesse> nuboon2age_: Most "Viruses" on a Linux system will be false positives UNLESS you are doing something WAY bad
[21:55] <zkriesse> AJH101: Ah one sec
[22:00] <nuboon2age_> zkriesse: or anyone: related question: would clamav have caught that unrealircd problem?
[22:01] <zkriesse> nuboon2age_: I'm not sure...
[22:04] <AJH101> zkriesse: Any ideas? I am running an N500. Thanks
[22:04] <zkriesse> !touchpad
[22:04] <ubot2> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[22:04] <zkriesse> AJH^^
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: they check for all known viruses, both linux and windows
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> "known" to the people who maintain them of course
[22:05] <AJH101> zkriesse: Found it! Thanks anyway :-)
[22:05] <zkriesse> cool
[22:06] <zkriesse> nuboon2age_: but unless you're doing something WAY off there isn't much you can catch
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok?virus=linux&search-type=contains&case-sensitivity=No&database=daily&database=main&display=database&display=virus&.submit=Submit+Query&.cgifields=database&.cgifields=search-type&.cgifields=case-sensitivity&.cgifields=display
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: I do not think any antivirus would detect the unrealircd problem as it is not a virus, lol
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> I have read the article, and IMO the author does not have any idea what he is talking about and not all malware is a virus
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> Thus antivirus is not a panacea
[22:10] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: which article?
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.fewt.com/2010/06/linux-infected.htmlhttp://www.fewt.com/2010/06/linux-infected.html
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> OOps, this one : http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-infection-proves-windows-malware-monopoly-is-over-gentoo-ships-backdoor-updated
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-infection-proves-windows-malware-monopoly-is-over-gentoo-ships-backdoor-updated/2206
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> The article states "A similarly infected Windows file in the wild would be detected within days if not hours after a routine virus scan"
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> which is not true as the back door is not a virus, lol
[22:13] <zkriesse> bodhi_zazen: agreed
[22:13] <zkriesse> back door is very much different from a virus
[22:14] <zkriesse> back door ALLOWS the virus to enter
[22:15] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: zkriesse: okay that makes sense.  What about my first question: do linux AV scan for linux virii or just for Windoze virii?
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: I think it is a grave mistake to get your security information from fanbois
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> Neither the Linux , windows, osx, nor BSD fanbois are reliable in any way
[22:16] <zkriesse> nuboon2age_: and most Viruses that you would get a "positive" for are in fact false positives
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> the article I linked is a windows fanboi who clearly has no insight into either Linux or Security, with a bunch of Linux fanboi comments
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok?virus=linux&search-type=contains&case-sensitivity=No&database=daily&database=main&display=database&display=virus&.submit=Submit+Query&.cgifields=database&.cgifields=search-type&.cgifields=case-sensitivity&.cgifields=display
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> both
[22:18] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: please explain what that page shows..
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> LMAO nuboon2age_
[22:18] <zkriesse> totall windows fanboy who doesn't have a freakin clue what he's taling about
[22:19] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: I mean the long link you posted
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> Are you serious nuboon2age_ ?
[22:19] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: yes.  Sorry for the newbie question.
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> Open the link, it is self explanitory - it is a search of the Clamav data base and it shows the linux viruses known to clamav
[22:21] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: okay, i see.
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> Is that sufficient proof that linux antivirus searches for known linux viruses ?
[22:23] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: yes, that is the kind of info I was wanting to find.
[22:23] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[22:23] <acerimmer_> zkriesse: wow.  129 hits for linux.  Anyone wanna place bets on the number on the Windows hit list?
[22:24] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: some said that there were no true linux viruses, so I was confused.
[22:24] <bodhi_zazen> Well, I suppose it depends on which fanboi you ask and how you define a "true" virus
[22:24] <acerimmer_> nuboon2age_: NO system is totally secure and EVERY system has vulnerabilties
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> There are linux viruses, but in general the fix is that the code is patched
[22:25] <acerimmer_> it's just that windows has EXPONENTIALLY more than any other OS
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> Unlike Windows where the code is unpatched for decades , thus in Windows there is more a need for antivirus
[22:25] <bodhi_zazen> In general, you system was patched for known linux viruses long ago
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> There may be an exception to that, but I have not seen such an exception
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> So the question is not as much if there are viruses, but rather how are they managed
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> In general, in Linux, the code is patched -> problem solved
[22:27] <bodhi_zazen> In general, in Windows, the code remains unpatched, an thus people need to rely on 3rd party apps, which is of course a big industry ...
[22:29] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: zkriesse thank you for some malware enlightenment.
[22:29] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/284124-myth-busting-is-linux-immune-to-viruses
[22:30] <collinp> In the literal sense, no operating system can be completely impervious to viruses or otherwise malware.
[22:30] <bodhi_zazen> collinp: try running selinux
[22:31] <collinp> Linux is better protected in terms of not having holes that viruses can exploit to gain entrance by themselves, but if some dumbass runs a executable as the root superuser and it's a virus, that's their problem.
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> collinp: http://www.engardelinux.org/modules/index/about_engarde.cgi
[22:32] <bodhi_zazen> I seriously doubt any virus would run on engarde
[22:32] <bodhi_zazen> With that said, engarde is so tight it is almost unusable
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> You need to use the web interface to configure the system, even logging in a root is restricted
[22:33] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: have you messed w/ ebox and is it fairly safe?
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> Try it out =)
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> Have not tried ebox
[22:34] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: I ask all this because I'm trying to persuade a friend to come to Linux from XP and he's a security-focused kind of person so he always asks these kind of questions
[22:35] <bodhi_zazen> collinp: tools such as apparmor and selinux limit even the almighty root
[22:35] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: which I'm not to up on.  I was thinking of recommending ebox to him for running server stuff.  It does have clamav as one of its options.
[22:36] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: you can lead a horse to water, but you can not make them drink
[22:37] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: Antivirus on linux is a waste of cpu cycles for the vast majority of people, IMO
[22:37] <bodhi_zazen> You can not protect Windows users with it
[22:38] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: sure, but I need to know whether its a reasonable pool to lead the horse to. :-)
[22:40] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: depends on who you ask, lots of opinions from lots of fanbois
[22:40] <bodhi_zazen> Security is still security , regardless of OS
[22:41] <bodhi_zazen> Security requires an understanding of how the OS works (under the hood), networking principles, and monitoring, monitoring, monitoring
[22:41] <acerimmer_> nuboon2age_: maybe have him install virtual box on his windows and run ubuntu as a virtual machine??
[22:42] <nuboon2age_> bodhi_zazen: he's huge on monitoring. See he's thinking that his site is being attacked pretty frequently.
[22:43] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: well in pwn2own, only Ubuntu was un cracked
[22:43] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/29/ubuntu_left_standing/
[22:44] <nuboon2age_> That's a useful article bodhi_zazen , thanks.
[22:44] <Bodsda> Funny how mac can take a system with security as a design feature, and still manage to f*ck it up
[22:44] <bodhi_zazen> The mac and windows fanbois clam the results are skewed because noboby wanted Ubuntu
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> nuboon2age_: remember, never argue with the fanbois , lol
[23:08] <Vantrax> anyone familiar with WUBI
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> I know a bit about wubi, zup Vantrax
[23:09] <Vantrax> set it up on a machine and when you boot into the entry (on first boot) it sits there doing nothing
[23:09] <Vantrax> should be setting up/config
[23:09] <Vantrax> but it just sits there with a blinking cursor, even on verbose mode
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> Ah, well you are screwed then =)
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> Do you have a Windows recovery disk ?
[23:10] <Vantrax> I can boot windows fine
[23:10] <Vantrax> just when you go to the linux entry nothin happens
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, on teh Ubuntu side, the only other time I saw this the md5sum was off on the iso
[23:38] <zkriesse> hello iceflatline
[23:39] <iceflatline> howdy zkriesse