[00:39] <TheMuso> grrr Debian have just made jack stuff a whole lot more difficult. :S
[00:48] <rlameiro> TheMuso: in what way?
[00:49] <TheMuso> rlameiro: They are moving jack2 into a new source package called jack2, and jack-audio-connectino-kit is being reverted back to jack1.
[00:49] <TheMuso> connection 
[00:49] <rlameiro> 2 parallel jack?
[00:50] <rlameiro> so, if we sync, we would have jack1 only
[00:50] <rlameiro> and need to ask a new propositionf for jack2 into main?
[00:51] <rlameiro> TheMuso: that is not so good news
[00:51] <TheMuso> rlameiro: No its not, and you hit it on the head.
[00:51] <TheMuso> I would have been ok if they took this path initially.
[00:51] <rlameiro> TheMuso: after all the work, we need to do it again??
[00:51] <TheMuso> But to go one way, and then change around and do it another a month or so down the track is a pain.
[00:52] <TheMuso> rlameiro: Yep.
[00:52] <TheMuso> :S
[00:52] <rlameiro> TheMuso: So, when does debian freeze?
[00:52] <rlameiro> i tought they already frozen it...
[00:52] <TheMuso> rlameiro: I don't know.
[00:53] <rlameiro> TheMuso: well, i think we need to lower expectations for maverick then
[00:53] <TheMuso> rlameiro: We still have time to make it all happen, its just a pain in the backside
[00:55] <rlameiro> TheMuso: well, if i can help in something, please tell me
[00:56] <TheMuso> rlameiro: thanks
[00:56] <TheMuso> rlameiro: We need jack2 to be in universe first, that will probably be a week or so. Only once we have jack2, will I update jack-audio-connectino-kit from Debian.
[00:57] <rlameiro> TheMuso: well, i will need to test it, so i can implement the configurations into ubuntustudio controls
[00:58] <rlameiro> TheMuso: will it be on maverick daily builds?
[00:58] <TheMuso> rlameiro: Not for a while
[00:58] <rlameiro> ok
[01:16] <ScottL> debian import freeze is on june 24th
[01:17] <ScottL> TheMuso, just as rlameiro said, if there is anything i can do to help please let me know
[01:17] <ScottL> TheMuso, did debian say why they decided to do this?
[01:31] <TheMuso> ScottL: They are transitioning jack packages such that people can choose which jack implementation they use.
[01:34] <TheMuso> ScottL: We can still request syncs after DIF.
[01:37] <ScottL> TheMuso, is there a good reason to allow choosing which jack version? 
[01:38] <ScottL> should we be doing it too? do we have developer support to do so?
[01:40] <TheMuso> ScottL: We will get the packaging for it from Debian with no extra work on our part, however we should stick with shipping jack2 by default.
[01:40] <TheMuso> i.e jack2 in main, tied to pulse/firewire.
[01:43] <ScottL> that sounds like a very good idea...i hope it is TheMuso ;)
[01:45] <ScottL> but i do have a consideration:  i presume then that jack1 will be available to install if one prefers it over jack2
[01:45] <ScottL> i wonder how installation and calling the application will work
[01:47] <ScottL> will the user be required to call 'jack1' and 'jack2' respectively to execute jack1 and jack2
[01:47] <ScottL> or will it be a drop in replacement
[01:48] <ScottL> which then gets into dependencies (hard vs soft) as i recall trying to remove ardour also removed jack, et al
[01:48] <ScottL> will one be able to remove jack2 to install jack1 without having to remove all audio apps and settings
[01:54] <ScottL> but i don't think many people (or at least a *very* select subset) will want jack1 since it will effectively break compatibility with pulse
[01:54] <ScottL> unless performance with jack2 is horrid
[02:20] <TheMuso> ScottL: it will be a drop-in replacement, so you switch what jackd- package you install, and the other one will be removed
[04:29] <ScottL> TheMuso, has qjackctl been moderated yet to remove the wrapper script that executes pasuspender?
[04:30]  * ScottL has tried to test maverick but installations have failed so far, here's hoping for tomorrow and a new build :)
[04:39] <ScottL> in good news, quadrispro helped fix the bitmeter uninstallable binary situation and abogani fixed up the -preempt kernel uninstallable binary problem
[04:40] <ScottL> hopefully this means no email from colin watson on the morrow and a officially released testing ISO from the qa tracker
[05:06] <TheMuso> ScottL: Not as far as I know of.
[05:07] <TheMuso> And I haven't seen anything for it in maverick-changes.
[12:45] <scott-work> abogani2: the -preempt kernel was fixed, thanks!
[12:45] <scott-work> no email from colin watson this morning :)
[12:47] <scott-work> TheMuso: i found the web page that persia had linked to me about all files in an ISO, it wasn't the .manifest file rather it was the .files file
[12:47] <scott-work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20100614/maverick-alternate-i386.list
[12:47] <scott-work> errr .list file (not .file file)
[12:48] <TheMuso> ah ok
[14:01] <abogani2> scott-work: :-)