[00:39] grrr Debian have just made jack stuff a whole lot more difficult. :S [00:48] TheMuso: in what way? [00:49] rlameiro: They are moving jack2 into a new source package called jack2, and jack-audio-connectino-kit is being reverted back to jack1. [00:49] connection [00:49] 2 parallel jack? [00:50] so, if we sync, we would have jack1 only [00:50] and need to ask a new propositionf for jack2 into main? [00:51] TheMuso: that is not so good news [00:51] rlameiro: No its not, and you hit it on the head. [00:51] I would have been ok if they took this path initially. [00:51] TheMuso: after all the work, we need to do it again?? [00:51] But to go one way, and then change around and do it another a month or so down the track is a pain. [00:52] rlameiro: Yep. [00:52] :S [00:52] TheMuso: So, when does debian freeze? [00:52] i tought they already frozen it... [00:52] rlameiro: I don't know. [00:53] TheMuso: well, i think we need to lower expectations for maverick then [00:53] rlameiro: We still have time to make it all happen, its just a pain in the backside [00:55] TheMuso: well, if i can help in something, please tell me [00:56] rlameiro: thanks [00:56] rlameiro: We need jack2 to be in universe first, that will probably be a week or so. Only once we have jack2, will I update jack-audio-connectino-kit from Debian. [00:57] TheMuso: well, i will need to test it, so i can implement the configurations into ubuntustudio controls [00:58] TheMuso: will it be on maverick daily builds? [00:58] rlameiro: Not for a while [00:58] ok [01:16] debian import freeze is on june 24th [01:17] TheMuso, just as rlameiro said, if there is anything i can do to help please let me know [01:17] TheMuso, did debian say why they decided to do this? [01:31] ScottL: They are transitioning jack packages such that people can choose which jack implementation they use. [01:34] ScottL: We can still request syncs after DIF. [01:37] TheMuso, is there a good reason to allow choosing which jack version? [01:38] should we be doing it too? do we have developer support to do so? [01:40] ScottL: We will get the packaging for it from Debian with no extra work on our part, however we should stick with shipping jack2 by default. [01:40] i.e jack2 in main, tied to pulse/firewire. [01:43] that sounds like a very good idea...i hope it is TheMuso ;) [01:45] but i do have a consideration: i presume then that jack1 will be available to install if one prefers it over jack2 [01:45] i wonder how installation and calling the application will work [01:47] will the user be required to call 'jack1' and 'jack2' respectively to execute jack1 and jack2 [01:47] or will it be a drop in replacement [01:48] which then gets into dependencies (hard vs soft) as i recall trying to remove ardour also removed jack, et al [01:48] will one be able to remove jack2 to install jack1 without having to remove all audio apps and settings [01:54] but i don't think many people (or at least a *very* select subset) will want jack1 since it will effectively break compatibility with pulse [01:54] unless performance with jack2 is horrid [02:20] ScottL: it will be a drop-in replacement, so you switch what jackd- package you install, and the other one will be removed [04:29] TheMuso, has qjackctl been moderated yet to remove the wrapper script that executes pasuspender? [04:30] * ScottL has tried to test maverick but installations have failed so far, here's hoping for tomorrow and a new build :) [04:39] in good news, quadrispro helped fix the bitmeter uninstallable binary situation and abogani fixed up the -preempt kernel uninstallable binary problem [04:40] hopefully this means no email from colin watson on the morrow and a officially released testing ISO from the qa tracker [05:06] ScottL: Not as far as I know of. [05:07] And I haven't seen anything for it in maverick-changes. [12:45] abogani2: the -preempt kernel was fixed, thanks! [12:45] no email from colin watson this morning :) [12:47] TheMuso: i found the web page that persia had linked to me about all files in an ISO, it wasn't the .manifest file rather it was the .files file [12:47] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20100614/maverick-alternate-i386.list [12:47] errr .list file (not .file file) [12:48] ah ok [14:01] scott-work: :-)