[00:02] shadeslayer: you know I like it when you talk dirty [00:02] :P [00:03] Riddell: so do you think we should file 3 MIR's ( possibly more with libexosip2 and libosip2 ) ? [00:03] chances of getting through are pretty slim [00:03] Sime_: marble python binding packages are in our packaging in bzr but not yet uploaded because kdeedu is waiting on a main inclusion report for something else [00:04] shadeslayer: it might be easier just to split out the relevant parts into a separate source package [00:05] Riddell: wrt kopete source? [00:05] or the linphone source? [00:05] kopete [00:05] ok.. ill put in a mail to upstream about which files are needed [00:05] Riddell: then we can make a package in Universe... [00:05] oh this is such a pita sometimes..... [00:06] yes unfortunately it is [00:09] Riddell: how do i give you a package to merge? :P [00:10] debdiff? [00:11] shadeslayer: debdiff or bzr merge if it's in bzr [00:12] Riddell: hmm.. kptc... i dont think thats in bzr... [00:12] Riddell: how do i do a debdiff ? [00:13] apt-get souce kpts; cd kpts-; dch -i; ; debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff .dsc .dsc > foo.debdiff [00:14] ah ok... [00:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Creating a Debdiff [00:16] lex79: thanks.... [00:16] np [00:16] Riddell: mail it to you? [00:17] or pastebin? [00:17] pastebin, e-mail or file a bug roughly in that order of reliability [00:19] hmm.. i dont think this is right : http://paste.ubuntu.com/450347/ [00:20] i only changed the stuff in debian/control :P [00:21] hold on ill paste a new diff [00:22] "Remove pa3aba@debian.org from uploaders in debian/control [00:22] is that really the only change? [00:22] why do we want to do that? [00:27] Riddell: control file was changed by upstream [00:27] and MoM showed it as the only conflict [00:27] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/450351/ [00:28] upstream? debian or the application source developers? can't say I care about the app source developers for packaging bits [00:28] Riddell: debian [00:29] Riddell: see line 446 [00:29] I don't think we care about any of those changes [00:29] Riddell: so direct sync? [00:29] fluffymaster? great name apachlogger. ;) [00:30] DarkwingDuck: you only noticed it now? [00:30] :P [00:31] Riddell: well you now have the debdiff,feel free to do as you please :) [00:31] im going to sleep :) [00:31] good night all [02:34] Riddell, NCommander: Same failure on armel for kdebindings: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50404846/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebindings_4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [04:00] rdieter_work: If Fedora has kdesudo, that's another one with docbook issues. [04:01] (both the patches you pointed me at yesterday worked great, thanks again) [04:03] Ah. Looks like you don't. Nevermind. [04:14] NCommander: Another one of a less painful type: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50410233/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [07:01] good morning Riddell. so are we confirmed for Juy 1st? [07:01] july even [08:35] dead morning again I see... [08:35] * jussi zaps Riddell [08:37] claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting needs update, particularly the first part === fluffymaster is now known as apachelogger === EqS is now known as EgS [10:03] jussi: ah I thought I felt a bolt of energy an hour and a half ago [10:04] :D [10:05] Riddell: should I tell Sari you are coming or no? :D [10:05] jussi: yes I think you should [10:06] excellent :) [10:06] flight gets in at 11:15 in Tampere [10:06] so I guess early evening sometime at yours [10:06] * jussi guesses Riddell would want to look at this: http://www.vr.fi/eng/ [10:06] well, in so far as you have evenings if there's no darkness [10:06] hehe [10:06] yeah, Ill have the sauna warm for you! [10:09] hard to know what train since it depends on the bus from the airport I expect [10:13] Riddell: do you have time to do backports today? ^^ [10:13] bus timetable here: http://www.paunu.fi/aikataulut_lahiliik.html (finnish - click the little icon next to: Tampere - Pirkkala lentoasema for the PDF timetable) [10:14] apachelogger: time isn't the issue it's this mass-syncs script that doesn't work to work for me :( [10:14] oh :( [10:15] bad script [10:33] * apachelogger should do his C++ assignment but doesnt find the motiviation [10:37] * valorie sends thunderheads storming over apachelogger's head [10:37] did you hear what happened to the Jesus statue here in the US? [10:38] it turned into bread and wine? [10:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTBFPte-MY [10:38] get to work! [10:39] no, it was hit by lightning! [10:39] and the insurance won't pay, because it's an Act of God [10:39] ! [10:41] Oo [10:41] * apachelogger fires up vi and starts haxx0ring [10:41] :-) [10:59] valorie: LOL === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are amazing <3 | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Council vote now open | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [11:01] Kubuntu Council vote now open [11:01] you should receive an e-mail shortly [11:07] * apachelogger notes that there are too many candidates [11:08] free snogs to anyone who votes for me [11:10] \o/ [11:10] bribing ftw [11:10] jussi: so after irc overlord now you also want to become kubuntu overlord, that sounds dangerous, you might rename all of #ubuntu-foo to #kubuntu-foo [11:15] lex79: I did not know about the italian Ubuntu CD project Oo [11:15] make all sorts of sense [11:18] [I voted] [11:22] I'm kind of glad I didn't bring up my candidacy [11:24] enough of good candidates as it is (: [11:26] voted, now back to banging the hardware working -> [11:30] * Nightrose demands her free snog from Riddell [11:30] :D [11:35] that'll have to wait until akademy :) [11:43] apachelogger: yeah, I want to conquer the world... err oops... did I say that out loud? :D :P [11:44] Riddell: and if one is not attending akademy? :( [11:44] jussi: seems like a decent enough plan [11:45] jussi: you mean Konquer? [11:47] Tm_T: oh yeah, that one :P [11:48] 4219 sloc -.- [11:48] this assignment is so horribly boring - incredible [11:49] agateau: Kapti seems suspiciously simple [11:54] http://imagebin.ca/view/SrVvUqx.html what is wrong with this code? [11:55] JontheEchidna: we really should be doing that code talk ^^ [12:11] Riddell: is that wrong? [12:13] agateau: not at all [12:13] it's impressive [12:13] svg monster troll o.O [12:13] * agateau blushes [12:18] Riddell: you removed kptc from MoM ? [12:19] shadeslayer_: it didn't compile, it needed arts [12:19] arts ? [12:19] ghostcube: scary, huh? ;) [12:20] yeah it is [12:20] * shadeslayer_ checks ppa [12:20] * apachelogger should hit the shower and get ready for "how to brick your CPU" ^^ [12:20] Riddell: seems to have built fine in ppa [12:20] ghostcube: especially since one needs to be wondering what would make that thing so different from any other thing that it deserves an own class [12:20] quite frankly, I do not know why ^^ [12:21] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/playground/+packages [12:21] apachelogger: yeah seems a bit bloatet :D [12:21] ah [12:21] you have no idea [12:22] shadeslayer_: hum, let me check [12:22] Riddell: sure :) [12:22] ghostcube: suppose you have 3 character-like types, 2 monsters and a player, and you are programming in a language with polymorphism, what do you do to archive the 3 different types? [12:22] ghostcube: you obviously copy one base class and then remove all the junk you do not want ;) ;) ;) [12:22] sounds logical [12:23] yeah [12:23] just that you now have 3 equal move functions and 3 equal canIGoThere functions and 3 equal die functions and 3 equal attack functions and 3 times a billion billion properties of the objects [12:24] each of those character-like types got a certain strenght and a certain speed and a certain armor... [12:24] hmm seems like 2 that are too much [12:24] :D [12:24] simply put, it sort of defeats the purpose of polymorphism ^^ [12:25] and since the assigment is only for a course where one should be learning OOP with C++, why would one bother to use that particular feature... ;) [12:25] well [12:25] its theory ... [12:25] * apachelogger writes mail about polymorphism and why and how and when [12:26] but coding c++ must not make always any sense or :D [12:26] ghostcube: no no, the course is rather practical I'd guess one person needs to write about 4k lines of code [12:26] oh [12:26] Riddell: so youre saying we need --with-arts in rules ? [12:26] i thought only theoretical thingies [12:26] the theoretical lecture is just so that you can actually manage to write the 4k lines of code [12:26] ( no idea what arts it tho,picked up --without-arts in a package ) [12:27] apachelogger: heh [12:27] because you really need to make a lot of use of the important features of cpp or oop in general [12:27] if not you wouldnt need to learn c++ oop or? [12:28] well, then you can survive with C ;) [12:28] hehe [12:28] is this c++ with 0++ addons or like what it was called [12:28] the new standard? [12:29] nope [12:29] it is not a standard yet anyway [12:30] ok :) i havent looked at c++ for a long time [12:30] i wanted to tach myself c++ but i give up [12:30] *e [12:36] shadeslayer: still testing [12:36] Riddell: sure :) [12:37] asac: debian is already packaging qt mobility by the way, although I've not looked at it yet [12:41] Riddell: is packaging == package is available? [12:41] or on its way? [12:42] asac: packaging is being worked on in git, don't know any more than that [12:42] kk [12:42] thanks [12:43] Riddell: how do you usually work together with debian? i know you do considerable packaging work in ubuntu; are we upstream for debian kde? [12:43] asac: on the other hand debian is upstream for us :P [12:44] yes we take from debian much more than the opposite [12:44] right. want to understand if this is a mutual upstream relationship [12:44] or if debian doesnt take from us and we just take what we don do from them [12:44] they don't tend to take from us, if there are paticular patches or changes that would obviously help them we point those out to them [12:46] ok so the usual thing ;) [12:47] fabo is the Debian packager for Qt and Qt Mobility [12:48] o/ [12:49] and I'm idling here most of the time except when someone ping me ;) [12:49] fabo: hey :) [12:50] Riddell: can we specify which binary goes where in control file? ( will make my life much much easier with kopete ) [12:50] asac: package is ready but we still lack a tarball for mobility [12:50] shadeslayer: that's what .install files are for [12:51] Riddell: or do i make a completely new package which uses kopete source from main and builds with gcall support [12:51] Riddell: oh i meant which binary goes where in the repository... like main universe.... [12:51] asac: we want Qt Mobility 1.0.1 and we rely on Qt -no-multimedia [12:52] asac: Qt Mobility will provide Qt MultimediaKit (ex-multimedia) [12:53] asac: same story as Qt/QtWebKit (splitted) [12:55] fabo: when do you expect a first tarball to become availablre? [12:56] soon, it's in integration and code is mostly freezed internally [12:57] oh, and it's a mutual relationship :) [12:57] I tend to take patches from Ubuntu packages when usefull [12:57] and track your changes btw ... [12:58] shadeslayer: this is what you want in your changelog http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/dXq8VU3A [12:58] that's what was confusing me [12:58] everything else is fine [12:59] there's also patches that cannot fit in Debian ie armv7 stuff [12:59] Riddell: awesome : [12:59] fabo: do you have a launchpad account ;)? [12:59] whats your nick? [12:59] fabo ;) [12:59] shadeslayer_: I'll upload like that [13:00] Riddell: ah ok... [13:00] * apachelogger leaves for cpu bricking lecture ^^ [13:00] asac: fboudra on launchpad [13:19] Riddell: can you merge http://pastebin.com/YS1bfy6R ( kredentials ) [13:20] from line 8 .... [13:21] erk, that's a 5MB diff [13:22] Riddell: new upstream release :P [13:22] oh it's a complete diff from our old to our newly merged [13:22] I don't find that very helpful [13:23] shadeslayer: I'd rather just have a diff -urN between the debian packaging and what I should upload [13:23] so not a debdiff just diffing the debian/ directories [13:36] Riddell: oh ok.... [13:39] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/450569/ [13:41] hmm... i wonder why i get a diff of line 17 and 18 [13:41] Riddell: will bbl [13:53] this ubuntu one thing doesn't seem very reliable [13:53] only ever set it up on my netbook [13:54] and don't use it very often [13:54] I'm not convinced it works at all [13:54] heh [13:55] maybe I should just try ubuntuone-kde, I expect it's far more reliable [13:56] riddell: is that available for lucid? [14:03] yes, see kubuntu-devel [14:07] I've tried the one at ppa:apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde , but can't get that to work [14:09] what is the purpose of the kdm user? [14:12] txwikinger: to run kdm [14:13] hmm [14:13] is that since 4.5? [14:14] yes [14:16] makes sense [14:21] I think there are some permission problems around the kdm user [14:21] the home directory is wrong [14:23] for the kdm user? [14:29] txwikinger: yes [14:29] I thought so :D [14:29] ubuntuone-kde is better than the gnome stuff, it at least knows my name and e-mail [14:30] * txwikinger removed ubuntuone [14:30] long time ago.. it was just causing problems [14:30] can't work out how to sync a folder though [14:30] did touch .ubuntuone and opening the folder in dolphin it opens kwallet [14:30] otherwise nothing much happens [14:30] my ~/Ubuntu One folder seems to stay in sync though [14:31] Riddell: we may have some problems soon with glib2 [14:32] agateau: uh oh, what's that? [14:32] Riddell: one of the gio include file defines a variable named "signals" [14:33] which is a Qt #define [14:33] ah, this one [14:33] set to protected; [14:33] is it a known problem? [14:33] I think we've come across it before [14:33] I have heard people discussing about it [14:33] apachelogger atleast [14:34] it's in /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gdbusintrospection.h [14:34] I hacked around this by editing the file (bouh) [14:34] I guess the clean fix is to build with QT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE [14:34] here http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/31/%23kubuntu-devel.html [14:35] not convinced the ubuntu one status notifier is doing anything much [14:35] apachelogger: ^^ [14:36] agateau: you can either set QT_NO_KEYWORDS or do a hackish #undef signals [14:37] I always set QT_NO_KEYWORDS :) [14:37] debfx: ha thanks, I thought it was QT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE and was wondering why it would not build [14:40] shadeslayer_: kredentials uploaded thanks very much [15:04] apport-kde suggests to include the gdm logfile... sounds like a great idea on kubuntu... not [15:05] and then it crashes because there is no gdm log file [15:10] hey agateau [15:12] rbelem: hi [15:12] :-) [15:12] agateau, i made a draft of the ksambashare info [15:12] agateau, http://paste.ubuntu.com/450601/ [15:13] agateau, can you take a look and check if you agree? :-) [15:14] rbelem: mmm... my idea was to avoid those info() generic method [15:15] rbelem: I would have made the getter run the samba command and hide the stuff from KSambaShare [15:15] "the getter" = the KSambaShareInfo getters [15:16] fregl: for a bug in what? [15:16] agateau, so should we share the ksambashareprivate? [15:16] apachelogger: ooh the status notifier icon successfully showed I was offline [15:16] rbelem: why would you do that? [15:16] and the sambadata? [15:17] rbelem: can't you move the info code in KSSI? [15:18] agateau, yeah... that's right [15:18] :-) [15:24] hey agateau thanks for the enlightening :-) [15:24] :) [15:24] agateau, i will make the changes and will send to the review board again [15:24] :-) [15:37] apachelogger: what needs to change on the bug reporting wiki page? [15:44] Riddell: is something broken with kubuntu-desktop 1.174.1 package under lucid? I purged it and reinstalled it and got a recommends on freespacenotifier, which wasn't installed. Then I tried to install it and it wanted to remove kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop. Or maybe freespacenotifier is broken [15:50] this is with kde 4.4.85 from updates btw [15:50] actually beta.. [15:51] rgreening: freespacenotifier is gone [15:51] maybe we need a dummy package [15:52] Riddell: its still in the kubuntu-desktop as a recommends under lucid [15:52] apt-cache policy freespacenotifier [15:52] freespacenotifier: [15:52] Installed: (none) [15:52] Candidate: 0.0svn1061317-0ubuntu1 [15:52] Version table: [15:52] 0.0svn1061317-0ubuntu1 0 [15:52] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages [15:53] Riddell: hmm.... it seems that I had some stuff to autoremove.... once I autoremoved the old stuff, I can now install freespacenotifier. I guess from the old desktop package. [15:54] oh well [15:54] oh.. nope.. still same issue [15:54] dang [15:54] Riddell: w00t :) [15:54] sup? [15:54] * Quintasan|Szel is just after CAE [15:55] rgreening: on a similar note we need to work out what to do with packages that use libqt4-assistant [15:55] oh god [15:55] what did I just do [15:56] Riddell: what's up with that? or whats the issue? [15:56] rgreening: libqt4-assistant got removed in qt 4.7 but some packages we have use it [15:58] Riddell: was kptc uploaded as well? [15:59] Riddell: is it gone completely? or moved to another package? This was the help launcher right? [15:59] shadeslayer_: it was yes but it'll be in New queue now [15:59] rgreening: gone completely, it was deprecated in qt 4.6 [15:59] oh ok... because i dont see it maverick changes mail [15:59] oh.. yuk [15:59] rgreening: that was a library with help functions [15:59] so, no more help [15:59] ha [15:59] Riddell: ok now with kopete... [16:00] shadeslayer_: what's your plan with kopete? [16:00] Riddell: i was thinking of a brand new package in universe which builds with gcall support [16:00] Riddell: apachelogger sez that fedora packaged libqt4-assistant separately [16:00] I seem to have lost his link... [16:00] JontheEchidna: mm, that's interesting [16:01] Riddell: like kopete-gcall [16:01] that would be a meta package to bring in the new kopete with gcall support and new libkopete4.... [16:01] shadeslayer_: while you're at it, can you see where the libmsn folks are with support for video conferencing support again for MSN in Kopete. [16:01] rgreening: sure thing :) [16:02] rgreening: the problem is that we will have to file about 3-4 MIRs to get gcall support default in main packages [16:02] and those will probably not be accepted :P [16:03] awesome we closed bug 587464 with qtcreator rc1 :D [16:03] Launchpad bug 587464 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "Qt Creator is crashing when creating Qt QML application " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587464 [16:03] shadeslayer_: why do you think the MIRs won't be accepted [16:03] shadeslayer_: building two separate kopete's is pretty ugly, and I don't think you can split out google talk functionality, it's part of the jabber protocol [16:04] Riddell: its not so much so as filing the MIR's but simply the number of packages that will have to be included in main [16:05] shadeslayer_: we won't know unless we try [16:05] hmm... true.... [16:05] Riddell: ok ill file all the MIRs then.. merging will have to wait :P [16:06] Riddell: any backup plan if the MIR's fail? [16:07] Riddell: also the patch with solid in kdelibs is incomplete,it works for dolphin but not for the device mounter plasmoid [16:07] shadeslayer_: not really, looking at the code it's not like the google talk part is a simple plugin we can build separately [16:08] Riddell: yeah :( [16:10] Riddell: better chances of success if i mention in the description that we only want 2 of the binaries in main? [16:11] shadeslayer_: yes I hope so [16:11] okies ... [16:11] hey guys, i'm having some issues with cowbuilder http://paste.ubuntu.com/450607/ [16:11] set PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic" in the .pbuilderrc [16:12] rbelem: they removed aptitude from the repos i think// [16:12] yep :-( [16:12] rbelem: so set EXTRAPACKAGES="aptitude" as "" [16:12] and now i'm getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/450626/ [16:13] shadeslayer_, do you think PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD solves the problem? [16:13] no idea :( [16:14] :'( [16:15] rbelem: i use pbuilder.... [16:15] JontheEchidna: hmm, fedora packaged a whole second build of qt 4.6 just for assistant [16:20] * NCommander pokes his head in [16:21] hi NCommander [16:21] hey Riddell [16:21] NCommander, agateau: apparantly we get a 5 minute slot at Akademy because canonical is a sponsor [16:21] NCommander: \o [16:21] at the end of the talks [16:21] Riddell: haha.... [16:21] Riddell: oh [16:21] Riddell: WIN. [16:21] what should we do in 5 minutes? [16:22] Riddell: blow up the world? [16:22] tell KDE to fix breakages :P [16:22] I was thinking an acrobatics display would be fun, I'd hold you and agateau on my shoulders while you juggle [16:22] specially ABI ones ;) [16:22] Riddell: (I just finally got my trip booked to Akademy sadly, had issues with the travel agent) [16:22] Riddell: fine with me [16:22] Riddell: need to pick up juggling first though [16:23] Riddell: er, that would end with several broken bones, at least one of us in the hospital, and a general conscense that Kubuntu developers have not escaped from the cirrus [16:24] NCommander: rofl .... [16:24] (actually, that might not be a bda thing) [16:26] btw lucid and maverick testers for kopete+google talk call support needed [16:26] repo at : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages [16:27] nifty [16:27] Morning guys [16:27] and i might have found a bug,when you receive calls you dont get sound,but when you make the call from kopete it works fine 0_o [16:28] must be a bug with gtalk :P [16:46] JontheEchidna or anyone who cares: seems upstream promised to publish a separate qt assistant branch http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt4-preview-feedback/2010-April/001228.html [17:02] Riddell: the MIR's workout like this : http://pastebin.com/826NWTvN [17:02] -- > show build deps/source package [17:03] * shadeslayer passes some chocolate cake around [17:04] shadeslayer: so three MIRs? [17:04] thats effectively 3 mirs yes [17:18] Riddell: first MIR : 595162 [17:18] bug 595162 [17:18] Launchpad bug 595162 in libosip2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libosip2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595162 [17:21] JontheEchidna, Riddell: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/qt-assistant-adp/ [17:21] * apachelogger needs to reboot [17:22] apachelogger: saw it, I've e-mailed this person now about a separate release http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt4-preview-feedback/2010-April/001228.html [17:23] Riddell: second MIR in bug 595165 [17:23] Launchpad bug 595165 in libexosip2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libexosip2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595165 [17:23] because I really don't want a whole second copy of qt in the archives [17:23] 3 bugs filed in 30 secs :P [17:24] shadeslayer: where's the third? [17:24] Riddell: im doing linphone right now... [17:25] Riddell: i meant from 595162 to 595165 [17:25] ah yes launchpad is a busy beast :) [17:26] :) [17:29] shadeslayer, pbuilder works. the problem was the cowbuilder :-( [17:30] rbelem: :P [17:30]