[01:01] <td123> I know it's in the topic, but is xorg *still* broken?
[01:02] <Sarvatt> only if you have proprietary drivers installed
[01:03] <Sarvatt> also - nouveau has 3D support in maverick now in libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[01:05]  * ajmitch will enjoy the magic smoke tonight then
[01:20] <psusi> anyone else have suspend broken using the current maverick kernels?  display just doesn't power back on after resume... works when I switch to the daily mainline kernel build
[01:29] <psusi> damn it takes forever to build the kernel these days...
[02:01] <IdleOne> HTT-Bird: since you plan on installing the current kernel in maverick this would be a better place for support
[02:01] <HTT-Bird> right. :)
[02:01] <IdleOne> ask and be patient :)
[02:02] <HTT-Bird> will give it a shot.
[02:02] <IdleOne> oh take not that xorg in maverick is broken (works for me)
[02:25] <HTT-Bird> alright: I have what basically amounts to a modified Ubuntu 9.04 system right now.  I need to install a >=2.6.34 kernel as an alternate kernel in order to be able to take readings from my hwmon chip.  I was figuring that the easiest way to go would be to use Maverick's kernel image; however, would installing a kernel that new alongside an older userland cause trouble?
[02:28] <bjsnider> your graphics driver may run into a problem with mismatched api/abi with your xorg/mesa system, or may not even build
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: I am using the nVidia blob, so would that still be an issue?
[02:29] <bjsnider> certainly
[02:29] <bjsnider> i doubt it would build at all
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> so I'd have to pull a newer version of the nvidia stuff I take it?
[02:29] <bjsnider> no
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> ...or I could just limp along on nv lol
[02:30] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: so...what should I do about the issue of gfx being a problem?
[02:30] <bjsnider> why don't you compile the driver you need into your current kernel instead?
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: because it is NOT AVAILABLE for a 2.6.28 kernel
[02:31] <bjsnider> i mean for lmsensors
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> I'd have to backport the blasted thing 6 kernel releases
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> so I'd take it that you'd rather I backported the driver? :p
[02:31] <bjsnider> wel, you can waste time complaining about it or you can get started...
[02:31] <funkyHat> I'm hobbling along on vesa at the moment ⢁( I just had a look at downgrading to lucid's version of xorg but that doesn't appear to be doable
[02:32] <bjsnider> you have no other option really
[02:35] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: alright, I have the commit for that driver up on git.kernel.org
[02:38] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: does kernel-package automatically take care of Ubuntu-ifying the kernel it's building?
[02:40] <bjsnider> just install the kernel-headers from the archive
[02:41] <bjsnider> you could use dkms to install the driver
[02:42] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: hrm.  how do I get from "git diff of kernel sources" to "something dkms can swallow"?
[02:44] <bjsnider> take a look at how your nvidia driver is handled
[02:45] <bjsnider> have a look at /usr/src
[02:45] <bjsnider> it should become clear
[02:45] <bjsnider> you'll have to research the dkms commands though
[02:45] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: I can see that dkms can swallow an ordinary patch....I assume it can swallow git diff's too?
[02:46] <bjsnider> you mean you want to create the driver from a patch?
[02:46] <bjsnider> i dunno
[02:47] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: yeah.  I have the driver in the form of a patch to the kernel source tree.
[02:47] <bjsnider> is it that small?
[02:48] <HTT-Bird> 1 new file in Documentation/, 1 file for the driver, 2 build-harness patches, and a patch to MAINTAINERS
[02:48] <HTT-Bird> so yeah, it is kinda that small :)
[02:49] <HTT-Bird> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=patch;h=d58de038728221f780e11d50b32aa40d420c1150 <-- maybe this'd help? :)
[03:02]  * HTT-Bird pings bjsnider 
[03:04] <bjsnider> well, i don't know if a patch would work with dkms or if it needs the raw files. give it a try
[03:29] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: it seems to want the raw files
[03:29] <HTT-Bird> but that's not too hard to accomodate. :)
[03:30] <bjsnider> you can, apparently install the newer kernel outright if you want. the blob should build with it
[03:33] <HTT-Bird> true, I doubt backporting the driver will be horribly hard though.
[06:36] <DrHalan> what is the title supposed to mean? shouldn't i upgrade even if dependencies are okay nowß
[07:27] <DrHalan> mh not really sure if i shut reastart now ..
[07:27] <DrHalan> xorg upgrade went fine..
[08:53] <sylon> whats the best way to downgrade a pkg when some update to it is broken?
[09:15] <Ian_corne> will maverick be sporting x 1.9?
[09:21] <Ian_corne> found out, yes :)
[14:41] <dORSY> mv /work/dorsy/home/dorsy
[14:57] <bjsnider> !find /usr/bin/ffprobe lucid
[15:38] <DrHalan> is xorg still broken for anyone?
[15:38] <DrHalan> i suggest we change the topic
[15:38] <psusi> xorg was workign for me last night... up until my maverick installation got hosed when I tried to make an lvm snapshot and it hung
[15:39] <DrHalan> mh
[15:40] <gnomefreak> it is still held back so yes it is broken
[15:44] <DrHalan> what is held back?
[15:47] <Ian_corne> gnomefreak: not for me
[15:47] <Ian_corne> what is causing the conflict?
[15:48] <gnomefreak> Ian_corne: off hand i dont recall but i will look as soon as i finish what im working on
[15:49] <gnomefreak> ahh
[15:51] <gnomefreak> better
[15:51] <Ian_corne> hehe :p
[15:51] <gnomefreak> now lets see if it really is fixed
[15:52] <Ian_corne> well it is for me
[15:52]  * gnomefreak away for a bit
[15:52] <gnomefreak> thanks for the heads up
[17:15] <funkyHat> Anyone know how I can downgrade all of my X packages? ⢁D
[17:17] <yofel> make sure you get the older versions from somewhere and use dpkg / aptitude / synaptic?
[17:17] <yofel> funkyHat: then again, why do you want to downgrade them?
[17:18] <funkyHat> yofel: because the current ones are broken ⢁)
[17:18] <yofel> hm, haven't updated today yet, but right now it works fine here
[17:18] <funkyHat> The "get older ones from somewhere" part is what I'm struggling with, they don't appear to be in the archive anymore
[17:18] <funkyHat> yofel: my card is an ati r800
[17:18] <yofel> no, either you have them in /var/cache/apt/archives or you need to fetch the lucid packages
[17:19] <yofel> oh
[17:19] <yofel> heh
[17:19] <yofel> vesa?
[17:19] <funkyHat> yes vesa works fine, if 1280x1024 is fine...
[17:19] <funkyHat> And only single headed
[17:21] <funkyHat> mm, I tried adding lucid's repos so they'd appear in aptitude, but it didn't seem to work, I guess I'll grab the packages and install them manually
[17:22] <yofel> they should appear after refreshing the package cache
[17:22] <yofel> you have to select the older version by hand of course
[17:22] <funkyHat> by pressing u (or aptitude update) you mean? I have done that a few times ⢁)
[17:23] <yofel> yeah, then go to the package you want, press enter, go to the bottom, select the version you want and press +
[17:23] <yofel> resolve the conflicts by downgrading all other packages and install them
[17:24] <funkyHat> Yeah, I'm only seeing 1:7.5+6ubuntu1 and the same with ~xorgedgers3
[17:25] <yofel> hm, I have lucid enabled here and I can see all versions fine
[17:25] <funkyHat> Maybe I got my sources.list wrong...
[17:26] <yofel> hm, aptitude shows this here (the middle one comes from debian)
[17:26] <yofel> p    1:7.5+5ubuntu1
[17:26] <yofel> p    1:7.5+6
[17:26] <yofel> i    1:7.5+6ubuntu1
[17:26] <funkyHat> Yeah, that's the problem, I only added lucid-security -_-
[17:33] <funkyHat> aha!
[18:03] <h00k> Oh, the /topic has changed, does this mean xorg upgrades are safe?
[18:52] <yofel> anyone else got a failing kernel upgrade?
[18:52] <yofel> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-3-generic
[18:52] <yofel> Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub.
[18:52] <yofel> Invalid parameter, 2.6.35-3-generic
[18:53] <yofel> User postinst hook script [/usr/sbin/update-grub] exited with value 1
[19:08] <NoelJB> Maverick won't boot after this AM's updates.  wait-for-root not found in /init.  Anyone else seeing this?
[19:09] <NoelJB> Looks like bug 360378
[20:19] <coz_> hey guys.. I dont have maverick installed on a dual monitor system... is the wallpaper issues solved ?
[20:20] <coz_> ie... all options for wallpaper....scale   etc etc  simply mirror the image on both monitors and the "span"  option does nothing more than center the image "between"  each monitor
[20:22] <coz_> also the issue  I had on lucid with multiple partitioned external drive  not un mounting properly does not occur on kde o0
[21:59] <jpds> Good day.
[22:02] <jonathonf> does anyone know which version of initramfs-tools caused the problem?
[22:03] <jpds> jonathonf: 0.96.1ubuntu3.
[22:03] <jonathonf> ta, i'll check my installed version
[22:03] <jpds> Fix is en route as we speak.
[22:03] <jonathonf> great
[22:04] <h00k> xorg 'should' be okay with an nvidia, yes?
[22:05] <jonathonf> h00k: yes
[22:05] <jonathonf> should be ;)
[22:05]  * jonathonf is still playing with fglrx
[22:45] <wtf1> what is partial upgrade?
[22:56] <Sarvatt> h00k: only nvidia-current, the rest dont support xserver 1.8
[22:57] <h00k> Sarvatt: okay. I'm running the proprietary nvidia driver on my laptop
[22:57] <Sarvatt> it depends what driver you're using, theres 3 different versions
[22:58] <h00k> Right, whatever the latest one is these days, 19*.**
[23:01] <bjsnider> well, the very latest one in the 256.29 driver in the x-updates ppa
[23:01] <Sarvatt> yeah the latest works fine, its just 173.xx and 96.xx that dont work
[23:01] <h00k> oh, holy smokes. I didn't realize it was that high.
[23:01] <h00k> Last I remember it was 195, I think
[23:04] <h00k> !info nvidia-current maverick
[23:04] <h00k> yeah. that's me.
[23:30] <sidHart> can't boot as it's dropping to initramfs..how to recover?
[23:31] <Giles1> QCad is missing fonts since upgrade to lucid, (its think its a QT3 application)
[23:32] <Giles1> how can I fix it?
[23:34] <Giles1> ah, I think I need to install qcad-data
[23:34] <Giles1> yep that fixed it.
[23:58] <arcane> how do I read the channel topic?
[23:59] <arcane> !topic