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[03:18]  * [gnubie] waves
[03:18] <[gnubie]> i have a problem and it looks like a bug. anyone cares to check http://is.gd/cQmoF for more information.. thanks..
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[06:55] <drew212> ddecator: hey mang you around?
[06:55] <ddecator> drew212: yes i am
[06:56] <drew212> did you see who your mentee's were?
[06:58] <ddecator> drew212: you and trinikrono, yes?
[06:59] <drew212> yep =)
[07:00] <ddecator> is that alright? :p
[07:00] <drew212> of course!
[07:00] <ddecator> haha, ok
[07:01] <drew212> ddecator: so what exactly do we do? =P
[07:03] <ddecator> drew212: haha, well it depends. i'm here to answer questions you have and to give you tips. if you want to walk through a bug, we can do that. if you want me to just watch your work and give feedback, i can do that as well. it mainly depends on what is most helpful for the student :)
[07:04] <drew212> ddecator: probably a combination of both =P
[07:04] <ddecator> drew212: works for me!
[07:06] <drew212> ddecator: when you hit F11, is firefox supposed to creep all the way up so you cant see the address bar anymore?
[07:06] <ddecator> drew212: yes, it's full-screen, it should show up if you put the cursor up at the top of the screen
[07:07] <drew212> ddecator: yep, i just realized that =P
[07:09] <ddecator> except fullscreen puts the buttons on the right, which i haven't gotten around to figuring out if that can be made to change with the theme so it matches
[07:10] <drew212> i have my buttons on the right...
[07:10] <ddecator> i got used to mine on the left :)
[07:12] <ddecator> drew212: speaking of tips, do you know about the lp improvements firefox addon? i can't remember if i told you about that yet or not
[07:12] <drew212> ddecator: you have not
[07:14] <ddecator> drew212: it makes some nice changes to lp, including stock responses where you just click the link and it can automatically enter the text, subscribe you, and change the status if appropriate, and you can add your own responses :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[07:14] <drew212> O_o
[07:16] <ddecator> it's not a required tool, but it's definitely helpful :)
[07:16] <drew212> ddecator: i'm reading how to install it now =P brian murray's launchpad hacks
[07:17] <ddecator> drew212: just add the ppa, then update and it will show up in synatpic as firefox-lp-improvements
[07:17] <ddecator> synaptic*
[07:27] <drew212> im not noticing anything new... do i need to restart FF?
[07:28] <ddecator> yes
[07:28] <ddecator> it's like any other add-on :)
[07:28] <drew212> =X
[07:43] <vish> ddecator: hey , ok. I'm de-activating austin and will ask him to re-apply later
[07:43] <ddecator> vish: danke
[07:45] <ddecator> drew212: did the add-on work?
[07:46] <drew212> yes
[07:47] <drew212> ddecator: how do i find kernel bugs in LP?
[07:48] <ddecator> drew212: they're filed against 'linux'
[07:48] <ddecator> drew212: did you get JFo's email mentioning the kernel summit?
[07:48] <drew212> yes yes =)
[07:49] <drew212> i sent him an email and he forwarded me to the kernel/bug triage wiki to learn more before the summit
[07:49] <ddecator> perfect! i couldn't remember what ML he sent it out to, haha
[07:49] <drew212> the kernel team lists... i subscribed to it just a little while ago
[07:50] <ddecator> ah, there was another list to, i think the QA list. i was going to forward it to you if you didn't get it :)
[07:50] <drew212> idk if i want to triage kernel bugs yet, but i know i want to know more...
[07:51] <drew212> i'm planning on applying to work for canonical once i get my BCS degree
[07:52] <ddecator> well, they need a lot of help, and it'd be good practice. i don't know much about kernel triage yet, but i plan to learn more at the summit so i can help out if you do want to try a hand at triaging for them
[07:53] <drew212> they have less bugs than FF does =P
[07:54] <ddecator> heh...yah...
[07:55] <ddecator> once i get this songbird issue figured out, i'll have more time to FINALLY get back to triaging firefox bugs
[07:56] <drew212> well im off to bed, i need to work tomorrow morning =X
[07:57] <ddecator> alright, night drew212
[07:57] <drew212> ddecator: thanks
[08:39] <elMariachi> hi
[08:40] <elMariachi> what do i need to do to draw the right peoples attention on a certain bug? (bug 592575 ;) )
[08:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592575 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-appearance-properties doesn't save visual effects settings over reboot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592575
[08:42] <seb128> it's a duplicate
[08:42] <elMariachi> d'oh
[08:43] <elMariachi> i was looking for something like that, but didn't find anything
[08:43] <ddecator> i think the problem is in compiz if i remember right..
[08:43] <elMariachi> which one is the right bug report?
[08:44] <seb128> if you list report by the most recent ones the second on the list is the same issue
[08:44] <seb128> bug #390001
[08:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 390001 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Gnome visual effects not retained after reboot (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 64)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390001
[08:45] <seb128> as well
[08:45] <elMariachi> ah thank you
[08:45] <elMariachi> i'm gonna delete my report then
[08:46] <seb128> use the duplicate thing rather
[08:47] <elMariachi> yep, done that
[08:47] <seb128> do you have a stored session?
[08:47] <seb128> ie .gnome2/session
[08:47] <elMariachi> no
[08:47] <seb128> ok, so dunno what your issue is
[08:48] <seb128> would need debugging by somebody having the bug, ie you
[08:48] <seb128> it works for other users out of the session issue
[08:49] <elMariachi> okay, i'm gonna have a look into it when i'm at home
[08:49] <elMariachi> .oO(i hope..)
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[11:25] <dpm> hey bugsquadders. We sometimes get bugs filed mistakenly against the ubuntu-translations project, and often I'm not sure to which project they should be filed against. Could someone look at bug 592649 and tell me what would be the best project or source package to change it to? thanks!
[11:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592649 in ubuntu-translations "General error mounting file systems ubuntu lucid lynx (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592649
[11:29] <arand> dpm: Well, as a first I guess you could simply reassign to "ubuntu", I don't know about that one, maybe "mountall" would be a guess.
[11:30] <dpm> thanks arand, I'll reassign to "ubuntu" and let someone more knowledgeable on filesystems than me to assign it to the right package
[11:35] <arand> I'm not actually sure if that is the right approach, but I though it seemed reasonable, since it is obviously more correct than -translations. (Anyone else knows of a better procedure?)
[11:50] <thekorn> dpm, I think a save guess is that your bug is a duplicate of bug 516684
[11:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516684 in mountall (Ubuntu) "After upgrade from Karmic boot fails, mountall and udevd fail (affects: 6) (heat: 49)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516684
[11:54] <thekorn> safe, btw
[11:57] <dpm> thekorn, thanks, I've just done that
[12:11] <xelister> OpenPGP used via kgpg is broken
[12:13] <jpds> xelister: Did you file about it?
[12:22] <jpds> a bug about*
[12:31] <xelister> jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/595055
[12:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595055 in kdeutils (Ubuntu) "[lucid][lucid-proposed] kgpg generates invalid openpgp key - signing only key (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <xelister> jpds: both lucid and lucid-proposed.  if  you can confirm this, then imho this is priority medium
[12:44] <xelister> I found 2 more bugs making kmail+openpgp quite useless
[12:45] <xelister> would it be possible to create a QA team dedicated to make it possible to use any good email program (so, kmail) on ubuntu?
[12:45] <xelister> because its 2010 and still no good&stable email client at all
[12:45] <xelister> I would volounteer to report/reproduce bugs and test fixes
[13:28] <hggdh> xelister: it is possible, and you are elected.
[13:32] <xelister> hggdh: quickly, to the bugmobile! shooosh
[13:33] <xelister> hggdh: fir bug is above, could someone verify it and set priority?
[13:36] <hggdh> xelister: I cannot confirm it, I do not run KDE. But I can set IMportance
[13:39] <hggdh> xelister: do you know what happened on the previous KDE version?
[13:40] <xelister> hggdh: it worked ok on 9.10
[13:40] <xelister> hggdh: I do not really run kde de either, I just installed that one app
[14:11] <dgtombs> hi all. can i get a Triaged on bug 406515?
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 406515 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[Karmic & Lucid Beta 1] Brightness fn keys lost functionality (Lenovo laptops) (affects: 38) (dups: 1) (heat: 218)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406515
[14:18] <xelister> hggdh: please set priority then. Medium I think
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> dgtombs: looks like its been taken care of already
[14:32] <dgtombs> bcurtiswx: yes, thanks
[14:38] <thekorn> pedro_, congrats to your team, great win. first step to kick spain out in the 1st round ;)
[14:39]  * thekorn hides
[14:39] <pedro_> thekorn, oh well the result doesn't reflect the game, we could win 14-0 ;-)
[14:40] <pedro_> thekorn, Germany is doing great btw, my fav team to win the cup ;-)
[14:41] <thekorn> pedro_, yeah, maybe if the goals were twice the size
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> im not a soccer buff/huge fan by any means.. but people tell me the US tie with England was "like a win" and i'm wondering why
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> soccer/football (whichever you call it)
[14:42] <thekorn> haha, let's see how well the play against other teams
[14:43] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, because soccer in the usa is like basketball in the uk
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> LOL i.e. we suck at it?? :P
[14:43] <thekorn> well.....
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> statistical terms
[14:44] <hggdh> er. anybody heard of Brazil? Yes, I know, they sucked yesterday, but...
[14:45] <pedro_> hggdh, yeah not a good game it was expecting more 'Jogo bonito' but with Dunga erm...
[14:46] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: US s getting better. Soon they may be something to worry about. Right now, a draw with UK is Very Good
[14:46] <hggdh> pedro_: +1
[14:47] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, and US has one of the leading teams in women soccer
[14:47] <thekorn> after germany of course ;)
[14:47] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: yeah, im glad about womens.  My hometown (Rochester, NY) has one of the best... now if i wasn't shitty with named i'd say it
[14:48] <bcurtiswx> i think...
[14:48] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, abby wombach
[14:48] <bcurtiswx> yes.. thanks
[14:49] <hggdh> but, still, it is weird to live in a country (US) where life does not stop when the country team plays on the world cup
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: I do for Hockey...
[14:49] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: what is hockey ;-)
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> this sport, ya know.. where they uh.. play.. with this rubber thing 'eh
[14:50] <hggdh> oooohhhh
[14:50] <hggdh> I thought this was something done in private
[14:50] <pedro_> hahahaha
[14:50] <hggdh> LOL
[14:50] <bcurtiswx> it can be... broken teeth ;-)
[14:51] <pedro_> so is it Hockey more popular than Baseball or Basketball  in the US?
[14:51] <hggdh> sorry, bcurtiswx, it was too good an opportunity :-)
[14:51] <bcurtiswx> nah, humor is welcome at anytime.... that was humor.. right :P
[14:52] <hggdh> pedro_: no, not really. It's {Baseball, Basketball, american footbal}, then, a bit farther away, hockey
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> No, I grew up in Rochester, NY which is just across lake ontario from Canada.. where hockey becomes life
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> so thats why i <3 hockey
[14:52] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: yes, it was humor
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> US it depends on which half you're on.. the upper is Football
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> lower it's NASCAR
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> and then football
[14:53] <thekorn> hockey == ice hockey and not field hocky, right?
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: lol, yuppers
[14:53] <hggdh> thekorn: yes, mostly
[14:53] <thekorn> okidoki
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> now a fun sport (or activity) is "broomball"
[14:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: indeed. I tend to forget about NASCAR
[14:54] <pedro_> in baseball they play something called World Series but they only play against North American teams?
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> Baseball would be close to futbol americano
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> or should I say beisbol
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> sp?
[14:54] <hggdh> pedro_: yes. It really sounds weird, but it si true
[14:54] <pedro_> that's so weird, yes
[14:55] <bcurtiswx> broomball http://is.gd/cRulN
[14:55] <pedro_> it's like the World Cup being played only with South Americans teams
[14:55] <bcurtiswx> pedro_: I completely agree
[14:55] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: ah, I saw it once, thanks for the link
[14:55] <thekorn> european teams!!!!1111!
[14:55] <hggdh> pedro_: and just a few countries from SA
[14:55] <pedro_> oh spain is playing now
[14:56] <hggdh> oops
[14:56] <hggdh> that's important, they seem to be good
[14:57] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: in summary, the best teams are usually UK, Germany, Italy, Brazil, France, Netherlands
[14:57] <hggdh> in any order
[14:57] <hggdh> and now Spain seems to be good also
[14:57] <bcurtiswx> which fanbase would be most hurt with a world cup loss?
[14:58] <hggdh> any of the above
[14:58] <hggdh> :-)
[14:58] <hggdh> picture baseball, football, basketball all rolled in one for fan base
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> i think we got that for the olympics..
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> and the loss was devastating
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> losses*
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> were*
[14:59]  * bcurtiswx typing fail
[14:59] <jpds> losses were*
[14:59]  * jpds runs.
[14:59] <hggdh> heh
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> haha, i got the corrections in before i got jpds's
[15:00] <bcurtiswx> <--- safe :P
[15:01]  * bcurtiswx looks around the room for anyone with bug questions (just in case)
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone?... bueller?.....bueller?
[15:05] <psusi> If a bug affects Lucid and Karmic and needs SRU'd, should it be nominated for those releases?
[15:06] <hggdh> psusi: yes; but it would normally be required to be first fixed on the current development release (Maverick)
[15:07] <dgtombs> anybody here know much about g-p-m/upower interaction?
[15:07] <psusi> Maverick doesn't have the problem... it's specific to Karmic and Lucid because they pulled a broken patch from upstream 2.6.32
[15:08] <psusi> what is the difference between targeting a milestone and nominating for a release?  which should I use?  It seems it will only let me target one milestone, but it needs SRU'd for both lucid and karmic
[15:11] <hggdh> psusi: weird, I would expect you to be able to nominate for releases (unless some new LP control was introduced recently)
[15:11] <hggdh> psusi: what is the bug #?
[15:12] <psusi> yea, I just did... but I first tried targeting to a milestone instead of nominating for a release... apparently you can only have one milestone... it's bug #593086
[15:12] <ubot2> psusi: Bug 593086 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/593086 is private
[15:12] <psusi> no it isn't...
[15:13] <psusi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/593086
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593086 in linux (Ubuntu) "Silent wraparound on > 2 TB LVM snapshots (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged]
[15:13] <psusi> says "this report is public"
[15:15]  * psusi smacks ubot2
[15:21] <psusi> hggdh: so does that look about right to you?
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> is there a git for ubuntu  packages like gnome has (i figured i'd get in a n00b question early today)
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> i.e. git clone git://git.gnome.org/PackageName
[15:34] <arand> bcurtiswx: I don't think so, since we've got bzr instead, but some have like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> so if i wanted to patch adium-theme-ubuntu i need to use the .dsc file ?
[15:38] <hggdh> psusi: seems correct
[15:46] <arand> bcurtiswx: You could apt-get source/dget *.dsc and do it that way, or use bzr: bzr branch lp:adium-theme-ubuntu
[16:15] <drew212> ddecator: how do i mark a bug when the user doesn't experience the bug anymore, invalid?
[16:19] <brunogirin> drew212: yes, and include the standard response for "bugs resolved after update or config change" as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[16:19] <drew212> brunogirin: thanks =)
[16:29] <vish> jcastro: brunogirin is here ;)
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[17:15] <ddecator> drew212: the desktop team marks those as fix released i believe, but marking invalid is the standard thing to do if you don't have a specific entry in the changelog to point to that says it was fixed
[17:26] <brunogirin> vish: yes but jcastro is not ;-)
[17:26] <jcastro> I got your mail brunogirin!
[17:27] <jcastro> it has all the info I need
[17:27] <vish> yay , it worked!  jcastro had mailed brunogirin to contact you :)
[17:28] <vish> err , jcastro , i* had
[17:28] <jcastro> brunogirin: is there a picture of you I can use for a blog post?
[17:29] <brunogirin> jcastro: one with a straight face?
[17:29] <jcastro> or a funny one!
[17:33] <brunogirin> jcastro: the one on my linkedin profile is the only one that's readily available I think: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/brunogirin
[17:59] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm new here. I think Bug #275134 should be set as triaged
[17:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 275134 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "button to select .iso should have another title (heat: 4)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275134
[18:39] <hggdh> DrKenobi: is this still present on Lucid?
[18:39] <DrKenobi> hggdh: yes
[18:42] <hggdh> DrKenobi: thank you, marking
[18:42] <DrKenobi> hggdh: thank you!
[18:43] <hggdh> DrKenobi: can you please update the description with the last version tested? Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[18:44] <DrKenobi> hggdh: ok, i'll do it right now
[18:53] <hggdh> DrKenobi: thank you
[18:54] <hggdh> bdmurray: I changed the subscription for BugSquad. Please monitor & tell me if it looks correct
[18:58] <bdmurray> hggdh: will do thanks
[19:37] <vish> bcurtiswx: you've got mail!
[19:37] <bcurtiswx> vish: OK will check shortly
[19:40] <bcurtiswx> vish: OK i will try to take care of that soon.  :)
[19:41] <vish> :)
[19:42] <DrKenobi> Hi! The Bug #269783 has been solved in Ubuntu 9.10. Should I set the status to 'Fix Released'? I'm new here, I just want to be sure!
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 269783 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "If running from a live system, should not ask for Source disk image (.iso) or CD (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269783
[20:03] <micahg> nigelb: I'm sorry I haven't been on around 13:00 UTC in the last few days, can patch review wait till Sunday?
[20:05] <mrand> DrKenobi: yes!
[20:06] <mrand> It would be nice if you include a note saying when it was fixed (i.e. 9.10)
[20:06] <DrKenobi> mrand: ok! thanks!
[20:06] <mrand> thank you for helping :-)
[20:35] <dgtombs> is there any guideline for the wiki on using headings? some pages use = Heading = as level 1 and others == Heading == as level 1, reserving single-equals for the page title like wikipedia
[22:50] <DrKenobi> Hi! Need help, as usual. I don't know if Bug #521115 affects 'usb-creator' or 'nautilus'. Not sure, help?
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 521115 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "USB Disk Creator doesn't show up in "Open With" submenu (affects: 1) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521115
[22:51] <micahg> DrKenobi: usb-creator, I think, it should probably register which MIME type it supports
[22:51] <micahg> DrKenobi: s/MIME type/extensions :)
[22:53] <DrKenobi> micahg: what? I don't understand
[22:53] <micahg> DrKenobi: packages register with the system what extensions/MIME types they support
[22:54] <micahg> DrKenobi: I could be wrong :)
[22:54]  * micahg forgot about shared-mime-info
[22:55] <DrKenobi> micahg ok
[22:56] <micahg> DrKenobi: actually answer, wait for someone else :)
[22:56] <micahg> hggdh: you around to help with a GNOME issue?
[22:56] <hggdh> pedro_: micahg I am here
[22:57] <micahg> DrKenobi: please reask
[22:57]  * micahg loves making up words :)
[22:57] <hggdh> heh. So do I, so do I...
[22:58] <hggdh> yes, it should be a mime set in usb-creator, IIRC
[22:58]  * micahg will reask for DrKenobi
[22:58] <micahg> (04:50:44 PM) DrKenobi: Hi! Need help, as usual. I don't know if Bug #521115 affects 'usb-creator' or 'nautilus'. Not sure, help?
[22:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 521115 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "USB Disk Creator doesn't show up in "Open With" submenu (affects: 1) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521115
[22:58] <hggdh> needs a .desktop file
[22:59]  * micahg was right \o/
[22:59] <hggdh> s/file/definition/
[22:59] <hggdh> :-) micahg, you are right most of the times
[22:59] <micahg> hggdh: I had the right idea, just not the specifics :)
[23:01] <DrKenobi> hggdh: so it could be set to Triaged and Wishlist?
[23:01] <hggdh> !info usb-creator
[23:01] <ubot2> hggdh: usb-creator (source: usb-creator): Ubuntu startup disk creator transitional meta-package for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.22 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 44 kB
[23:02] <hggdh> DrKenobi: yes, you can
[23:02] <DrKenobi> hggdh, can u do it for me, i am not bug control! :)
[23:02] <hggdh> oh
[23:02] <hggdh> just a sec
[23:03] <hggdh> DrKenobi: of course, one Q: did you try it on Lucid? Is it still an issue there?
[23:03] <DrKenobi> hggdh, yes i try it a few seconds ago
[23:04] <DrKenobi> hggdh: i will update the description too
[23:04] <hggdh> DrKenobi: GREAT! you preempted me :-)
[23:05] <DrKenobi> hggdh: haha :)
[23:05] <hggdh> DrKenobi: you probably want to refresh the page, I just marked it
[23:06] <DrKenobi> hggdg: great! thank you!
[23:29] <DrKenobi> This Bug #304259, should maybe be set as Triaged, maybe... I don't know if it's possible. Developers could tell us!
[23:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 304259 in usb-creator (Baltix) (and 1 other project) "allow creation of LiveUSB from currently running LiveUSB (affects: 1) (dups: 2) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304259
[23:34] <hggdh> oh, DrKenobi left. We need to tell him/her that we only deal with Ubuntu (not Baltix, etc)
[23:37] <micahg> hggdh: there's an ubuntu task
[23:37] <hggdh> micahg: should have opened it :-(
[23:38] <micahg> hggdh: yeah, ubot2 just pulls the top task
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> anyone know what spell check openoffice uses?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> aspell?
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> does ooo have a channel here?
[23:48] <jpds> Wasn't it hunspell?
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> well openoffice is installed on my machine, but openoffice.org-hunspell isn't