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| flaccid | i'm researching ec2 kernels and mods - what to use for debian particularly | 04:04 |
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| flaccid | confused on what to use basically | 04:05 |
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| flaccid | ubuntu lucid i386 linux image 2 6 32 302 ec2 v 2 6 32 302 6 kernel i think will work ok with squeeze | 04:43 |
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| erichammond | flaccid: The supported Ubuntu kernel images (AKIs) would be the ones which are used by the active public Ubuntu AMIs. | 05:26 |
| erichammond | Anything else is potentially subject to removal, which could ruin your day. | 05:26 |
| flaccid | well in terms of debian however? | 05:27 |
| flaccid | squeeze seems to run well on the lucid aki but needs the linux modules (which i guess i could install from the lucid repos) | 05:28 |
| flaccid | erichammond what you think? | 05:32 |
| flaccid | http://thecloudmarket.com/image/ami-bb3a6bfe--debian-6-0-squeeze-server#/definition uses older fedora kernel/ramdisk images | 05:32 |
| erichammond | I abandoned support for Debian squeeze because of kernel incompatibilities. I would avoid any Alestic squeeze AMIs. | 05:33 |
| flaccid | well i'm finally getting around to the debian support thing | 05:34 |
| flaccid | did lenny play nicely enough with the amazon kernels? | 05:35 |
| erichammond | I'd recommend building your AMIs from scratch so that you can reliably reproduce the process as time goes on. | 05:35 |
| flaccid | erichammond: yep thats what i'm doing now | 05:35 |
| flaccid | i have created a servertemplate | 05:36 |
| flaccid | erichammond: i've updated http://support.rightscale.com/12-Guides/RightLink/04-Creating_RightScale-enabled_Images_with_RightLink/RightLink_Installer_for_Ubuntu to work with lucid | 05:37 |
| flaccid | you can add that to your vmbuilder process which will give the latest rightlink v5 package | 05:37 |
| flaccid | so now i'm going back to cover debian | 05:38 |
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| flaccid | wb | 05:45 |
| flaccid | i basically would like to know the link between the kernel and it loading kernel mods from /lib/modules on boot | 05:46 |
| flaccid | it appears to be a hardcoded relationship | 05:47 |
| flaccid | i'm trying to make the ami independent of the kernel used | 05:47 |
| erichammond1 | The kernel modules must match the kernel version exactly. | 05:49 |
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| erichammond | Whenever you run a different kernel, you must have those kernel modules available. | 05:49 |
| erichammond | Ubuntu was looking at downloading the kernel modules at run time or adding them to the ARI instead of the AMI. | 05:50 |
| erichammond | but I don't think that went anywhere. | 05:50 |
| flaccid | yeah its cool to have a switchable kernel but if the mods are not installed then no good | 05:50 |
| flaccid | so i guess the ami can only support 'a range of kernels' | 05:50 |
| erichammond | Yes, this is the general practice. | 05:53 |
| flaccid | so where would i get the kernel modules for http://thecloudmarket.com/image/aki-f70657b2.html?page=6 (aki-f70657b2) ? | 05:53 |
| flaccid | this is the default kernel to Debian Squeeze Alestic, root@ | 05:53 |
| erichammond | Most often it is a single recommended kernel and new AMIs are released when new kernels come out. | 05:53 |
| erichammond | flaccid: What region? | 05:53 |
| flaccid | us-west atm | 05:54 |
| flaccid | i just want to bundle vol with the same kernel and ramdisk as you are and see how it boots | 05:54 |
| erichammond | If you have an AMI that uses that kernel, then the kernel modules should be installed on that AMI. | 05:54 |
| flaccid | erichammond: thats what i am trying to do | 05:54 |
| erichammond | No, I'm saying you could copy the kernel modules from the Alestic AMI. | 05:56 |
| flaccid | erichammond: where did they come from originally? i'm debootstrapping | 05:57 |
| erichammond | The Alestic Debian AMIs were built with ec2ubuntu-build-ami which would have pointers to the downloadable kernel modules. | 05:57 |
| flaccid | must of missed it in http://ec2ubuntu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/bin/ec2ubuntu-build-ami | 05:58 |
| flaccid | http://alestic-downloads.s3.amazonaws.com/ec2-kernel-modules-2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen-ec2-x86_64-20090930.tar.gz | 05:58 |
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| erichammond | looks right. | 06:08 |
| flaccid | doing a re-run now | 06:08 |
| erichammond | flaccid: The point, however, was that that old Amazon kernel will no longer work with squeeze. | 06:12 |
| flaccid | does it work with lenny? | 06:13 |
| flaccid | i'm also creating the bundle on /tmp/image-bundles/foo of the deboostrap root. does not seem like an ebs volume is required for s3 only building | 06:25 |
| flaccid | bundled created: | 06:34 |
| flaccid | Kernel imageAmazon vmlinuz 2.6.21 2.fc8xen ec2 v1.0.i386.aki | 06:34 |
| flaccid | Ramdisk imageAmazon initrd 2.6.21.7 2.fc8xen ec2 v1.0.1.i386.ari | 06:34 |
| flaccid | boot instance | 06:35 |
| flaccid | doesn't seem to like lenny | 06:52 |
| erichammond | flaccid: The old lenny AMI I built months ago still runs. It's possible lenny upgrades no longer work with that old kernel. | 08:06 |
| flaccid | erichammond: i got squeeze going with an ubuntu lucid kernel | 09:15 |
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| erichammond | flaccid: Congrats on getting squeeze to run. The ec2debian Google group might be interested in your findings. | 17:46 |
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| smoser | erichammond, "new 32-bit Karmic ebs server based on Alestic's ami-6743ae0e" | 19:08 |
| smoser | when will you stop taking credit for Ubuntu's work ;-) | 19:08 |
| erichammond | Where are you reading that? | 19:09 |
| smoser | i'm amazed at the namespace you've carved out (and i completely realize that you give Ubuntu credit and correct those statements) | 19:09 |
| smoser | ec2ubuntu mail | 19:09 |
| erichammond | It's amazed me, too. | 19:10 |
| erichammond | I did originally recommend that you put "canonical" in the bucket names to make the source clear to folks. | 19:10 |
| erichammond | oh, wait. That AMI *is* one I published. | 19:11 |
| erichammond | I use the Ubuntu image built by Canonical, but then, pretty much every Linux image anybody publishes uses files created by somebody else. | 19:12 |
| erichammond | :) | 19:12 |
| erichammond | The key is that if I die and Amazon cancels my account, that AMI will disappear :-/ | 19:13 |
| smoser | gah! it is, you're right. | 19:15 |
| smoser | your naming is the same as ours too :) | 19:15 |
| smoser | so i was confused. | 19:15 |
| erichammond | er, your naming is the same as min :) | 19:15 |
| erichammond | e | 19:15 |
| smoser | anyway | 19:16 |
| smoser | sorry | 19:16 |
| erichammond | but your original point is true with other examples. | 19:16 |
| smoser | thats what you get for doing a helluva good job | 19:16 |
| smoser | i'll respond to that thread with: "I would help you, but i have no idea what that crazy 'alestic.com' does with their images" | 19:16 |
| smoser | :) | 19:16 |
| erichammond | :) | 19:16 |
| erichammond | I think you already know this, but the Karmic EBS boot AMIs I published are exact file system image copies from your published Ubuntu images. | 19:18 |
| smoser | yeah i know | 19:19 |
| erichammond | smoser: Thanks for all the great support you've been providing to the ec2ubuntu group. If you'd like to take over approving new posters and filtering spam, let me know :) | 19:24 |
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| flaccid | erichammond: and smoser yeah guys still not very happy with kernels for debian* atm. still pondering on what to use that will work with at least lenny and squeeze without even the smallest issue | 23:54 |
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