[02:22] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[02:52] <flan> Does anyone know where the blue help icon (circle with a ? in it) can be found?
[02:52] <flan> File path, URL...
[02:52] <flan> I just want to use it as a placeholder for the Qs server.
[03:01] <godbyk> flan: Try /usr/share/icons/Humanity/apps/48/gnome-help.svg
[03:02] <godbyk> or 128 for a bigger version.
[03:04] <flan> Ah. SVG.
[03:04] <flan> I was looing for PNG.
[03:04] <flan> Thanks.
[04:35] <nisshh> have you guys seen this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-updater
[04:35] <nisshh> humphreybc: ^^^
[04:35] <humphreybc> yes
[04:35] <humphreybc> it's on OMG! Ubuntu!
[04:35] <nisshh> yea
[04:36] <nisshh> thats how i saw it
[04:36] <nisshh> what do you think?
[04:36] <humphreybc> sounds groovy
[04:36] <nisshh> yea, should be be promoting it though?
[04:37] <humphreybc> huh?
[04:37] <nisshh> well
[04:37] <nisshh> should we have a link to it on the website/wiki saying "this is how you get the latest builds from our server"
[04:38] <humphreybc> yeah maybe
[04:38] <nisshh> if we dont mention or endorse it or whatever people might think its not the real deal
[04:38] <godbyk> The code could be a bit nicer.  Also, it's pulling the test builds, and they break fairly frequently.
[04:39] <nisshh> godbyk: ah, really? thats no good
[04:39] <godbyk> I'm not sure that it is 'the real deal'.
[04:39]  * nisshh goes and looks at the code
[04:39] <nisshh> godbyk: what do you mean?
[04:40] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins has been designing 'the real deal', but it won't be out 'til Maverick.
[04:40] <nisshh> what? the same thing that the script there does?
[04:40] <godbyk> nisshh: Well, a bit more advanced than what that script is doing.
[04:40] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:40] <nisshh> yea
[04:40] <humphreybc> it has a GUI
[04:40] <humphreybc> and shit
[04:41] <godbyk> And allows for multiple documents (not just the one manual).
[04:41] <nisshh> ah, the thing that he was talking about on the ML?
[04:41] <nisshh> just the other day
[04:41] <godbyk> yeah
[04:42] <nisshh> yea
[04:42] <nisshh> that would be much better
[04:43] <nisshh> oh wow, the script is definitely not user friendly
[04:43] <godbyk> I haven't used it.
[04:43] <godbyk> I just looked at the code in it.
[04:44] <godbyk> It's written in a brittle fashion, so it could break easily.
[04:44] <nisshh> yea
[04:45] <nisshh> he also hasnt accounted for the fact that you need sudo to download something to somewhere other than your home dir
[04:45] <godbyk> I think it's intended to be ran during the boot process or something odd.
[04:50] <nisshh> says every login
[04:53] <godbyk> according to the code, it's every boot.
[04:53] <godbyk> he adds an init script to the boot process.
[04:55] <nisshh> godbyk: ah, didnt see that
[09:54] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[10:12] <thorwil> morning!
[10:12] <ubuntujenkins> hey thorwil
[10:16] <vish> anyone has any idea where the quickstarter icon can be added for OOo ?
[10:17] <vish> where/how
[10:20] <ubuntujenkins> vish: do you not right click it in the menu and choose add to panel
[10:21] <vish> ubuntujenkins: hmm,actually it was not for me...  i wanted to know about the quickstarter icon  is the option still there in Lucid?
[10:22] <ubuntujenkins> by quickstarter icon do you mean like the firefox and yelp ones that are there by default?
[10:22] <vish> there seems to be a notification area icon for OOo
[10:23] <ubuntujenkins> I don't see one in the panel when i open open office
[10:24] <shrini> application->office-openoffice wwriter
[10:24] <shrini> rightclick
[10:24] <shrini> add this item to panel
[10:24] <shrini> this will add the icon to the panel
[10:25] <ubuntujenkins> yea i think vish is on about when you open it, is there an icon in the notification area?
[10:27] <vish> me neither, but people have screenshots of it , so was wondering how they have it
[10:27] <vish> just a sec , let me find the bug
[10:28] <ubuntujenkins> vish: worked it out how you get it
[10:28] <vish> ubuntujenkins: how?
[10:29] <ubuntujenkins> tools options and then http://imagebin.org/101515
[10:30] <ubuntujenkins> you can right click it in the tray and choose disable
[10:31] <vish> ubuntujenkins: phew! found it  thanks :)
[10:31] <ubuntujenkins> no problem, whats the bug?
[10:32] <vish> ubuntujenkins: i had found that > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/551927
[10:32] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 551927 in light-themes "Backgrounds of quickstarter icon and vlc icon are not consistent with color of panel (dup-of: 403135)" [Undecided,New]
[10:32] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 403135 in vlc "Notification area icon wrongly rendered/uses bg_color as a background (multiple apps)" [Low,Confirmed]
[10:33] <ubuntujenkins> vish: that is a bug that effects me, i just disable them both
[10:33] <ubuntujenkins> also affects banshee iirc
[10:34] <vish> yeah
[10:49]  * nisshh just got a new Logitech G5 mouse and it works like a treat out of the box!
[10:50] <nisshh> absolutely perfectly
[10:50] <ubuntujenkins> I have the wave pro keyboard and mouse set they are also great
[10:51] <nisshh> yea i have a g15 keyboard which works pretty well
[10:51] <nisshh> not perfect, but almost
[10:51] <nisshh> i didnt even have to edit my xorg config to get this G5 to work
[11:52] <nisshh> godbyk: how up to date is the style guide on the website?
[11:57] <nisshh> aquarius: hey again, id like to code in a little check function to my app that can tell if desktopcouch is being synced by ubuntu-one, is it possible to do this do you think?
[11:57] <aquarius> it's...not, at the moment
[11:57] <aquarius> can I suggest pinging cardinalfang on #ubuntuone about that? (he's not awake yet)
[11:58] <nisshh> right, does he know more about that sort of thing?
[11:59] <nisshh> aquarius: do you know when cardinalfng might be awake?
[12:00] <aquarius> about two or three hours from now
[12:00] <aquarius> (he's in the US, west coast)
[12:01] <nisshh> right, thanks, ill be sure to get a hold of him
[12:07] <nisshh> aquarius: hows the ubuntu developers manual coming along?
[14:58] <godbyk> nisshh: It hasn't been updated in eons.
[14:58] <godbyk> I have to run to a meeting.  Be back in a few hours. :-/
[15:41] <shrini> team: need help
[15:41] <shrini> some college students are asking me
[15:41] <shrini> for some project
[15:43] <nisshh> shrini: whats up?
[15:43] <shrini> nisshh: hi
[15:43] <nisshh> hey
[15:44] <shrini> i am thinking of
[15:44] <shrini> making them to contribute
[15:44] <shrini> to any open source projec
[15:44] <shrini> t
[15:44] <shrini> need your suggestions
[15:44] <shrini> and ideas
[15:44] <shrini> for any projects
[15:44] <shrini> is there any existing project that need any enhancements/
[15:45] <nisshh> so you found some people willing to contribute to open source yes?
[15:46] <shrini> YES
[15:46] <shrini> :-)
[15:46] <nisshh> right, shrini hang on iv gotta relogin my sound is playing up, ill be right back :)
[15:48] <nisshh> shrini: right, im back now
[15:49] <nisshh> so you are unsure where to point them to so they can contribute is that right?
[15:49] <nisshh> shrini: ^^^^^
[15:50] <nisshh> shrini: you there still? ping
[16:00] <shrini> nisshh: pong
[16:01] <shrini> nisshh: hai. went for water
[16:01] <shrini> nisshh: they need projects
[16:01] <shrini> to do
[16:05] <nisshh> right, so they want to contribute but dont know where to start?
[16:07] <nisshh> shrini: ^^^^
[16:10] <shrini> nisshh: yes
[16:10] <shrini> we can suggest some open source projects
[16:11] <shrini> I can guide them about irc, mailing list, svn, git etc
[16:11] <shrini> so that they can directly interact with the developers
[16:11] <shrini> and contribute
[16:14] <nisshh> right, how much experience do they have shrini?
[16:14] <shrini> nisshh: students
[16:14] <shrini> they know little php,python,c
[16:14] <nisshh> shrini: ok good
[16:15] <nisshh> shrini: so i assume they want something nice and simple to work on?
[16:15] <shrini> nisshh: s
[16:16] <nisshh> shrini: well, i honestly cant think of many really simple apps they could contribute to, although they could always make their own
[16:16] <shrini> nisshh: yes
[16:16] <shrini> thanks
[16:16] <nisshh> shrini: no problem, thats where i suggest they start
[16:17] <nisshh> shrini: maybe mention the Quickly app to them
[16:17] <nisshh> its on launchpad
[16:23] <shrini> nisshh: in a call
[16:29] <nisshh> ok
[16:30] <shrini> nisshh: came
[16:32] <shrini> nisshh: thanks
[16:32] <shrini> need some new project ideas
[16:32] <shrini> or
[16:32] <shrini> list of tasks to do in existing projects
[16:41] <nisshh> shrini: hmm, well, im not trying to get my project worked on or anything, but they could play around with my app if they like, its pretty simple
[16:42] <nisshh> or they could drop in on #ubuntu-bugs and do some triage
[16:42] <nisshh> or maybe participate in a bug jam somewhere
[16:43] <nisshh> or help out with the patch review thing going on
[16:43] <nisshh> shrini: there are so many things they could work on i cant list them all here
[16:44] <shrini> nisshh: thnaks
[16:44] <nisshh> shrini: no problem :)
[16:44] <shrini> i ask them to learn quickly
[16:45] <shrini> if they are willing to do desktop app
[16:45] <nisshh> shrini: cool, ah, what are they wanting to do mostly?
[16:46] <shrini> nisshh: not decided yet
[16:47] <shrini> they are ready to do
[16:47] <shrini> if we pick and point them on what to do
[16:47] <shrini> hope they can do it
[16:47] <shrini> showed them http://neevaan.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/a-content-management-system-for-lugs/
[16:48] <nisshh> wait, so they are wanting to setup a LUG?
[16:49] <shrini> nisshh: no
[16:49] <shrini> this blog is from another guy
[16:49] <nisshh> yea
[16:49] <shrini> he proposing a new project
[16:49] <nisshh> oooohhhhhh
[16:49] <shrini> my friends may write the application
[16:49] <shrini> for the requirement said in the blog
[16:49] <shrini> and host it
[16:50] <nisshh> oh the content management system
[16:50] <nisshh> right
[16:50] <shrini> right
[16:50] <nisshh> thats a good project for them to do
[16:50] <shrini> :-)
[16:50] <nisshh> they have set goals and assuming they have a server, or the means to host the CMS then its perfect
[16:51] <shrini> ya
[16:51] <nisshh> shrini: i say tell them to go for it if they want to :)
[16:51] <shrini> :-)
[16:51] <shrini> i can fund them to host that project
[16:51] <shrini> :-)
[16:51] <nisshh> oh cool
[16:52] <nisshh> shrini: see what you can do about trying to make the CMS they create open-source
[16:52] <shrini> yes
[16:52] <nisshh> THAT would be awesome
[16:52] <shrini> we will host the code in LP
[16:52] <shrini> or sourceforge
[16:52] <nisshh> cool
[16:52] <shrini> or code.google.com
[16:52] <shrini> :-)
[16:53] <nisshh> also quickly is no good for stuff like a CMS
[16:53] <shrini> yes
[16:53] <nisshh> yep
[16:53] <shrini> they are willing to contribute
[16:53] <nisshh> cool, do they use irc?
[16:53] <shrini> 10 guys are there
[16:54] <shrini> if we give a list of projects to do
[16:54] <shrini> they can pick each one
[16:54] <shrini> and start to work on that
[16:54] <shrini> irc?
[16:54] <shrini> no
[16:54] <shrini> have to teach them
[16:54] <shrini> will do it soon
[16:56] <nisshh> shrini: are these guys local to you?
[16:56] <shrini> nisshh: s
[16:56] <nisshh> how did you manage to find 10 people willing to contribute??
[16:57] <nisshh> that would be impossible in my area
[16:57] <nisshh> :)
[17:00] <shrini> :-)
[17:06] <shrini> nisshh: here all college students must do a project
[17:06] <shrini> in their final year
[17:06] <shrini> mostly they for java and .net
[17:06] <shrini> i am fishing those students
[17:06] <shrini> and explaining them about opensource
[17:07] <shrini> and formed the kanchilug
[17:07] <shrini> hope you know about kanchilug
[17:07] <shrini> kanchilug.wordpress.com
[17:07] <shrini> http://kanchilug.wordpress.com
[17:07] <shrini> people are doing wonderful activities
[17:08] <shrini> they are very much interestd in contributing
[17:13] <thorwil> shrini: the best way to get into an existing open-source project might well be fixing bugs
[17:13] <shrini> thorwil: you are right
[17:13] <shrini> searching for simple projects to start with
[17:13] <shrini> if possible suggest some simple projects
[17:13] <shrini> :-)
[17:13] <thorwil> shrini: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut
[17:14] <shrini> wow
[17:15] <shrini> thorwil: thanks for the link
[17:15] <shrini> interesting
[17:16] <thorwil> shrini: with the papercut project, chances are good the bugs are not too complicated. otherwise, if you just skim through the bug tracker of any app, you might have a hard time to find bugs of the right level. the less experience you have, the harder it is to access the complexity, i would assume
[17:17] <nisshh> shrini: oh, wow, so you grab those students from the start and convert them over
[17:17] <nisshh> thorwil: crap, i forgot about that project
[17:17] <shrini> thorwil: yes. let me explore that
[17:17] <nisshh> thorwil: there is also the bug hug days
[17:17] <shrini> nisshh: yes :-)
[17:19] <nisshh> shrini: are these guys the same guys that did the manual tamil translations?
[17:19] <shrini> nisshh: yes
[17:19] <shrini> same guys
[17:19] <nisshh> oh cool
[17:20] <shrini> they found their friends
[17:20] <nisshh> hehe
[17:20] <shrini> interesting to contribute
[17:20] <nisshh> so they already use ubuntu right?
[17:20] <shrini> yes
[17:20] <nisshh> that certainly makes it easier for them to get started, being familiar and all
[17:21] <shrini> yes
[17:21] <shrini> some more new guys are there
[17:21] <shrini> trainig is going for them
[17:21] <shrini> training on foss concepts, linux, ubuntu, python, php
[17:21] <shrini> etc
[17:21] <shrini> we had a 1 week training session
[17:21] <nisshh> nice
[17:22] <shrini> followup sessions are going every sunday
[17:22] <shrini> :-)
[17:22] <shrini> now they need some real time projects
[17:22] <shrini> to work on
[17:23] <shrini> will look at papercuts and
[17:23] <shrini> check for the possibilities
[17:23] <shrini> thanks thorwil for pointing that
[17:23] <shrini> i totally forget that
[17:23] <thorwil> np
[17:23] <thorwil> shrini: what's the usual reaction of being exposed to python and php in close succession? :
[17:23] <shrini> ya
[17:24] <shrini> we get different outputs
[17:24] <shrini> people who like web development love php for its easiness
[17:24] <shrini> people love desktop apps love python and ruby
[17:24] <shrini> but as they love to contribute
[17:25] <shrini> they learn all we teach
[17:25] <shrini> they are forming their own teams
[17:25] <shrini> for php,python,ruby
[17:25] <thorwil> cool
[17:25] <shrini> each team is searching for projects to contribute
[17:25] <shrini> still svn , git, irc trainig are pending
[17:26] <shrini> we have very less internet connectivity
[17:26] <shrini> so, internet based training are getting delayed
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> how are we does anyone need any help?
[21:36] <dutchie> i need to remember the really cool thing i was going to do in SVG and javascript
[21:36] <dutchie> :(
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> you were going to do an animated advert for quickshot, after thinking of new logo ideas
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone else here apart from dutchie ?
[21:44] <dutchie> it would seem not
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: what are you thinking for the advert then :P
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins>  night all