=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === noy_ is now known as noy === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === fluffymaster is now known as apachelogger === cypher is now known as czajkowski === xnox is now known as xnox_away === doko__ is now known as doko [16:00] o/ [16:00] hello \o/ [16:00] * barry waves [16:01] \o/ [16:02] \o/ [16:02] hi [16:04] doko: are you chairing? [16:05] #startmeeting [16:05] Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is doko. [16:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:05] ev ? [16:06] shuffled: doko, cjwatson, Keybuk, ev, barry, surbhi, mvo [16:07] (no cheating) [16:07] # Linaro infrastructure sprint (well, the infrastructure guys did complain it was too much toolchain work). [16:07] # Merge of CS gcc-4.4 branch for Linaro. [16:07] # Review Debian/Ubuntu GCC patches for integration in Linaro. [16:07] # Look at using the CS gcc-4.4 branch on i386 and amd64 for maverick. [16:07] -- [16:08] cjwatson: ? [16:09] mvo is on holiday [16:09] done: nearly finished with foundations-m-btrfs-support; made some progress with foundations-m-uefi-support, and just in time because I just took delivery of hardware from OEM to help test it; some big merges (grub2, initramfs-tools) [16:09] todo: planning to nail everything that can be nailed of foundations-m-uefi-support over the next week, and then get back to seeing how to get GRUB onto the CDs [16:09] robbiew: mvo is unavailable [16:10] -- [16:11] Keybuk: ? [16:11] Still not getting much done :-( [16:11] Have managed a few package updates, and testing kernel update for them though. [16:11] ~ [16:11] foundations-m-python-versions: building out py27stack ppa; python-defaults refactoring and adding 2.7 as supported (but not yet default); rebuilt several packages; now fixing python2.7-minimal bugs. foundations-m-python-continuous-integration: unittest2 testing, bug reporting, etc; stdeb testing, bug reporting, etc; python-mkdebian testing (not gonna work). done. [16:12] finished the following: [16:12] 1) Spent some time in learning about fstest and its usage. Spent some time debugging the device geometry that grub uses and using the same for mkfs.btrfs for a loopback device. [16:12] 2) Following works through grub-fstest: ls, ls -lh, crc of a file. This works for a btrfs filesystem created in a image provided the mkfs is done on the proper offset in accordance with fdisk -ul and then subsequently, -o offset is used for mount [16:12] 3) Need to test this thoroughly. desperately needs caching. [16:12] 4) Need to test cp and hex (and other fs-test commands) and add caching support [16:12] .. [16:12] [16:13] ok, mvo in vacation [16:13] I don't see outstanding items from last meeting [16:14] skipping feature freeze exceptions [16:14] * ev feels left out - has my IRC bouncer been connected to this channel and I've just missed a bunch of messages? [16:14] ev: clearly you're using the wrong bouncer [16:15] I'm using the same one as you! [16:15] ev: looks like doko prodded you before you /joined [16:15] 16:05 ev ? [16:15] ... [16:15] 16:08 -!- ev [~ev@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [16:15] ev: go ahead with the lighning, didn't see you join [16:15] ah [16:15] working on running two debconfcommunicators in parallel, started hacking together a server based on geonames (type some random town and get a timezone back), reviewed the design specification and added more notes for michael, chatted with michael over some of them, began implementation of some of the functionality and started a conversation with legal about the installing ubuntu-restricted-extras bit. [16:15] -- [16:16] are there any other specs which need to be finalized/approved until tomorrow? [16:16] doko: i have not heard anything definitive back from ubuntu-releases, re: py27 [16:17] ubuntu-release is pretty undermanned at the moment [16:17] is this the discussion about making 2.7 default for 10.10? [16:17] cjwatson: ah [16:17] robbiew: yes [16:17] seems like there are quite a few in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=foundations-m- [16:17] yes, motu/ScottK doesn't like the idea [16:18] i know. he favors supported but not default [16:18] Keybuk: no upstart specs yet, I guess? [16:18] which is not as mavericky as i'd like, but his reasoning is sound and i could support that approach [16:18] I do have the code to get them into the WI tracker (more or less), just need test cases for it :-) [16:20] barry: I'll try to ping him, maybe we can find the time to chat together late tonight [16:20] of the foundations-m- ones, the ones that jump out as possible maverick candidates are foundations-m-usb-creator-bugfixer and foundations-m-software-center-backend? [16:21] cjwatson: it's one of the things I appear to be unable to do, yes [16:21] I don't know either of those well so maybe they're inappropriate [16:21] doko: +1 [16:21] * cjwatson fedexes Keybuk some davidm-strength coffee [16:22] coffee wouldn't help, some prozac maybe? :p [16:22] whoops, missed that - usb-creator-bugfixer is now proposed for maverick [16:22] ugh [16:22] ev: and accepted [16:22] cjwatson: cheers [16:23] Keybuk: let me know if you need assistance of the potted-plant variety [16:23] potted plant? [16:23] something inanimate to talk at [16:23] Keybuk: speaking of FedEx...what's up with those Dell Minis :) [16:23] ahh [16:23] ok, any other spec business? [16:23] robbiew: yet another thing I haven't done, sorry [16:26] moving on? [16:27] alpha2 bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27560 [16:27] I only saw two for us there, the silly version bugs [16:27] Dylan's aware of the slideshow one, it'll be done as part of a more general update I think [16:28] Keybuk: is it OK to just do the obvious 10.04 -> 10.10 change in plymouth, or do you want to do something more complete than that? [16:28] like lsb_release at build time or something [16:28] cjwatson: go ahead, I don't have any plymouth-related plans this cycle [16:28] and maybe one MIR. looking at this one [16:28] Keybuk: ok [16:29] cjwatson: I might pester you with an archive rebuild (main) withe the CS GCC next week (and maybe a request trying to build a CD image) [16:29] np === Claudinux_ is now known as Claudinux [16:31] awlright then.... [16:31] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:31] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:32] I did a rather measly one today [16:32] thanks doko :) [16:33] honestly, I don't know how to interpret the table now in the meeting. just looking at the "last commenters" isn't enough [16:34] "last commenters" is a weird column because what I find I need to do with it is to *skip* the rows with names I recognise [16:34] if we do not have upload privs, is there anything we can still do with sponsoring? [16:35] not a lot, realistically [16:35] cjwatson: what do the bold and italics mean in last comment column? [16:35] there's a key at the bottoom [16:35] *bottom [16:36] * barry scrolls [16:36] ah, thanks [16:36] anyway, not much more to discuss here, I think we should move on? [16:37] yes [16:38] don't see any business from activity reports [16:38] good news / bad news ? [16:39] * robbiew was able to get approval for another headcount :) [16:39] yay! [16:39] hooray [16:40] so how many are now pending? [16:40] is it the secretary I've been clamoring for since I joined? [16:40] heh [16:40] doko: what do you mean by pending? [16:41] we have one opening now [16:41] ev: you don't need a secretary if you work from the office, you can have the design team do things for you [16:42] haha, somehow I doubt they'll fetch me coffee from Starbucks [16:42] robbiew: how many heads do we expect? one or more? [16:42] anyway, AOB? [16:42] ev: I don't even know where there is a Starbucks anywhere near Millbank [16:42] doko: ah..expect one [16:42] Keybuk: vauxhall [16:43] * robbiew played with burg this week...pretty cool [16:43] damnit, shiny new test hardware requires US->UK converter and I don't have one [16:43] robbiew: burg? [16:43] cjwatson: converter or plug? [16:43] * barry just saw a very close and very loud lightning strike [16:43] BURG stands for Brand-new Universal loadeR from GRUB. [16:43] well, either, but the end for my own laptop doesn't fit the brick [16:43] Keybuk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg [16:43] has some REALLY nice graphics support [16:44] thankfully, mostly obsoleted by grub2 ;-) [16:44] just need to put the themes together [16:44] yeah [16:44] if we could get the themes down...it would rock [16:44] http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots [16:44] LINK received: http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots [16:44] yup, will likely be working on at least some of that as part of foundations-m-cd-boot [16:45] the burg themes are slick [16:45] cjwatson: cool [16:45] wow, lets go with that first one and switch the desktop environment to twm [16:45] there are a few basic widgets we don't have yet, some debate as to the best way to represent them so that things still work well with things like serial consoles [16:46] yeah...i figured there were corner cases not considered with it [16:46] ev: twm ftw! (who remembers wool?) [16:46] the overall effect is very clean...with the subtle animations as you scroll though the OSes [16:47] anyway...that's all I had [16:47] barry: wool? [16:47] oh...and we are close to naming a release manager [16:47] yay [16:47] down to 2 candidates [16:47] "yay" indeed [16:47] robbiew: wanna help design grub2 themes for the package? there's only one person doing grub2 theming work at the moment (directhex) [16:47] robbiew: did they not have a name before they applied? [16:48] ev: well, actually gwm. wool was the lisp dialect that the wm ran [16:48] cjwatson: otto? [16:48] cjwatson: hmm...I'll take a look at it, sure [16:48] Keybuk: /very/ funny [16:48] ok, are we funished? [16:48] ev: yeah..that makes more sense [16:48] ev: directhex => jo shields [16:48] ev: or are you saying otto has been doing some? [16:49] if so he hasn't told anyone :-) [16:49] robbiew: well that's not to say he has time to do it [16:49] sure [16:49] cjwatson: no, not at all [16:49] I just figured it was his realm more than anyone else's [16:49] but probably not worth waisting time on designing themes we know won't get used [16:49] heh [16:49] ah, right. I don't think it needs to bump out other design team things at the moment [16:49] but I am fully aware that getting some of his time is not the easiest task on the planet [16:49] anyway...I'll take a stab at it [16:49] I got a lot more time on my hands these days [16:49] ;) [16:50] * cjwatson ponders an lplib script to reassign all his bugs to robbiew [16:50] heh [16:50] barry: ah, unfamiliar with that. I was only just getting started when I used twm. [16:51] next chair? [16:51] ev: teh googles says the last update to its web page was mid 90's ;) [16:51] hahaha, awesome [16:51] doko: rule from last meeting would make it you again ;-) [16:51] so I guess obvious sanity check means we use the second from the shuffle list in that case, i.e. me [16:52] I used to like olvwm [16:52] are we playing roulette with the chair now as well? [16:52] cjwatson: ok ... :-/ [16:52] 3 [16:52] 2 [16:53] Keybuk: i remember that one [16:53] 1 [16:53] #endmeeting [16:53] Meeting finished at 10:53. [16:53] thanks doko [16:53] doko, thanks [16:53] will shuffle better next time [16:53] :) [16:53] doko: hack the script! :) [16:53] doko: it's fine for it to be me :) [16:53] thanks doko [16:54] * barry -> reboot intarwebs [16:54] thanks === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === pgraner-afk is now known as pgraner === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha