[16:00] <robbiew> o/
[16:00] <psurbhi> hello \o/
[16:00]  * barry waves
[16:01] <Keybuk>           \o/
[16:02] <cjwatson>          \o/
[16:02] <doko> hi
[16:04] <cjwatson> doko: are you chairing?
[16:05] <doko> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is doko.
[16:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <doko> ev ?
[16:06] <doko> shuffled: doko, cjwatson, Keybuk, ev, barry, surbhi, mvo
[16:07] <doko> (no cheating)
[16:07] <doko> # Linaro infrastructure sprint (well, the infrastructure guys did complain it was too much toolchain work).
[16:07] <doko> # Merge of CS gcc-4.4 branch for Linaro.
[16:07] <doko> # Review Debian/Ubuntu GCC patches for integration in Linaro.
[16:07] <doko> # Look at using the CS gcc-4.4 branch on i386 and amd64 for maverick.
[16:07] <doko> --
[16:08] <doko> cjwatson: ?
[16:09] <robbiew> mvo is on holiday
[16:09] <cjwatson> done: nearly finished with foundations-m-btrfs-support; made some progress with foundations-m-uefi-support, and just in time because I just took delivery of hardware from OEM to help test it; some big merges (grub2, initramfs-tools)
[16:09] <cjwatson> todo: planning to nail everything that can be nailed of foundations-m-uefi-support over the next week, and then get back to seeing how to get GRUB onto the CDs
[16:09] <barry> robbiew: mvo is unavailable <wink>
[16:10] <cjwatson> --
[16:11] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ?
[16:11] <Keybuk> Still not getting much done :-(
[16:11] <Keybuk> Have managed a few package updates, and testing kernel update for them though.
[16:11] <Keybuk> ~
[16:11] <barry> foundations-m-python-versions: building out py27stack ppa; python-defaults refactoring and adding 2.7 as supported (but not yet default); rebuilt several packages; now fixing python2.7-minimal bugs.  foundations-m-python-continuous-integration: unittest2 testing, bug reporting, etc; stdeb testing, bug reporting, etc; python-mkdebian testing (not gonna work). done.
[16:12] <psurbhi> finished the following:
[16:12] <psurbhi> 1) Spent some time in learning about  fstest and its usage. Spent some time debugging the device geometry that  grub uses and using the same for mkfs.btrfs for a loopback device.
[16:12] <psurbhi> 2)  Following works through grub-fstest: ls, ls -lh, crc of a file. This  works for a btrfs filesystem created in a image provided the mkfs is  done  on the proper offset in accordance with fdisk -ul and then  subsequently, -o offset is used for mount
[16:12] <psurbhi> 3) Need to test this  thoroughly. desperately needs caching.
[16:12] <psurbhi> 4) Need to test cp and hex  (and other fs-test commands) and add caching support
[16:12] <psurbhi> ..
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[16:13] <doko> ok, mvo in vacation
[16:13] <doko> I don't see outstanding items from last meeting
[16:14] <doko> skipping feature freeze exceptions
[16:14]  * ev feels left out - has my IRC bouncer been connected to this channel and I've just missed a bunch of messages?
[16:14] <Keybuk> ev: clearly you're using the wrong bouncer
[16:15] <ev> I'm using the same one as you!
[16:15] <cjwatson> ev: looks like doko prodded you before you /joined
[16:15] <cjwatson> 16:05 <doko> ev ?
[16:15] <cjwatson> ...
[16:15] <cjwatson> 16:08 -!- ev [~ev@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
[16:15] <doko> ev: go ahead with the lighning, didn't see you join
[16:15] <ev> ah
[16:15] <ev> working on running two debconfcommunicators in parallel, started hacking together a server based on geonames (type some random town and get a timezone back), reviewed the design specification and added more notes for michael, chatted with michael over some of them, began implementation of some of the functionality and started a conversation with legal about the installing ubuntu-restricted-extras bit.
[16:15] <ev> --
[16:16] <doko> are there any other specs which need to be finalized/approved until tomorrow?
[16:16] <barry> doko: i have not heard anything definitive back from ubuntu-releases, re: py27
[16:17] <cjwatson> ubuntu-release is pretty undermanned at the moment
[16:17] <robbiew> is this the discussion about making 2.7 default for 10.10?
[16:17] <barry> cjwatson: ah
[16:17] <barry> robbiew: yes
[16:17] <ev> seems like there are quite a few in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=foundations-m-
[16:17] <doko> yes, motu/ScottK doesn't like the idea
[16:18] <barry> i know.  he favors supported but not default
[16:18] <cjwatson> Keybuk: no upstart specs yet, I guess?
[16:18] <barry> which is not as mavericky as i'd like, but his reasoning is sound and i could support that approach
[16:18] <cjwatson> I do have the code to get them into the WI tracker (more or less), just need test cases for it :-)
[16:20] <doko> barry: I'll try to ping him, maybe we can find the time to chat together late tonight
[16:20] <cjwatson> of the foundations-m- ones, the ones that jump out as possible maverick candidates are foundations-m-usb-creator-bugfixer and foundations-m-software-center-backend?
[16:21] <Keybuk> cjwatson: it's one of the things I appear to be unable to do, yes
[16:21] <cjwatson> I don't know either of those well so maybe they're inappropriate
[16:21] <barry> doko: +1
[16:21]  * cjwatson fedexes Keybuk some davidm-strength coffee
[16:22] <Keybuk> coffee wouldn't help, some prozac maybe? :p
[16:22] <ev> whoops, missed that - usb-creator-bugfixer is now proposed for maverick
[16:22] <cjwatson> ugh
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: and accepted
[16:22] <ev> cjwatson: cheers
[16:23] <cjwatson> Keybuk: let me know if you need assistance of the potted-plant variety
[16:23] <Keybuk> potted plant?
[16:23] <cjwatson> something inanimate to talk at
[16:23] <robbiew> Keybuk: speaking of FedEx...what's up with those Dell Minis :)
[16:23] <Keybuk> ahh
[16:23] <doko> ok, any other spec business?
[16:23] <Keybuk> robbiew: yet another thing I haven't done, sorry
[16:26] <robbiew> moving on?
[16:27] <doko> alpha2 bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27560
[16:27] <cjwatson> I only saw two for us there, the silly version bugs
[16:27] <cjwatson> Dylan's aware of the slideshow one, it'll be done as part of a more general update I think
[16:28] <cjwatson> Keybuk: is it OK to just do the obvious 10.04 -> 10.10 change in plymouth, or do you want to do something more complete than that?
[16:28] <cjwatson> like lsb_release at build time or something
[16:28] <Keybuk> cjwatson: go ahead, I don't have any plymouth-related plans this cycle
[16:28] <doko> and maybe one MIR. looking at this one
[16:28] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ok
[16:29] <doko> cjwatson: I might pester you with an archive rebuild (main) withe the CS GCC next week (and maybe a request trying to build a CD image)
[16:29] <cjwatson> np
[16:31] <robbiew> awlright then....
[16:31] <doko> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:32] <cjwatson> I did a rather measly one today
[16:32] <dholbach> thanks doko :)
[16:33] <doko> honestly, I don't know how to interpret the table now in the meeting. just looking at the "last commenters" isn't enough
[16:34] <cjwatson> "last commenters" is a weird column because what I find I need to do with it is to *skip* the rows with names I recognise
[16:34] <barry> if we do not have upload privs, is there anything we can still do with sponsoring?
[16:35] <cjwatson> not a lot, realistically
[16:35] <barry> cjwatson: what do the bold and italics mean in last comment column?
[16:35] <cjwatson> there's a key at the bottoom
[16:35] <cjwatson> *bottom
[16:36]  * barry scrolls
[16:36] <barry> ah, thanks
[16:36] <cjwatson> anyway, not much more to discuss here, I think we should move on?
[16:37] <robbiew> yes
[16:38] <doko> don't see any business from activity reports
[16:38] <doko> good news / bad news ?
[16:39]  * robbiew was able to get approval for another headcount :)
[16:39] <barry> yay!
[16:39] <ev> hooray
[16:40] <doko> so how many are now pending?
[16:40] <ev> is it the secretary I've been clamoring for since I joined?
[16:40] <robbiew> heh
[16:40] <robbiew> doko: what do you mean by pending?
[16:41] <robbiew> we have one opening now
[16:41] <Keybuk> ev: you don't need a secretary if you work from the office, you can have the design team do things for you
[16:42] <ev> haha, somehow I doubt they'll fetch me coffee from Starbucks
[16:42] <doko> robbiew: how many heads do we expect? one or more?
[16:42] <doko> anyway, AOB?
[16:42] <Keybuk> ev: I don't even know where there is a Starbucks anywhere near Millbank
[16:42] <robbiew> doko: ah..expect one
[16:42] <ev> Keybuk: vauxhall
[16:43]  * robbiew played with burg this week...pretty cool
[16:43] <cjwatson> damnit, shiny new test hardware requires US->UK converter and I don't have one
[16:43] <Keybuk> robbiew: burg?
[16:43] <Keybuk> cjwatson: converter or plug?
[16:43]  * barry just saw a very close and very loud lightning strike
[16:43] <robbiew> BURG stands for Brand-new Universal loadeR from GRUB.
[16:43] <cjwatson> well, either, but the end for my own laptop doesn't fit the brick
[16:43] <robbiew> Keybuk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[16:43] <robbiew> has some REALLY nice graphics support
[16:44] <cjwatson> thankfully, mostly obsoleted by grub2 ;-)
[16:44] <cjwatson> just need to put the themes together
[16:44] <robbiew> yeah
[16:44] <robbiew> if we could get the themes down...it would rock
[16:44] <robbiew> http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots
[16:44] <cjwatson> yup, will likely be working on at least some of that as part of foundations-m-cd-boot
[16:45] <robbiew> the burg themes are slick
[16:45] <robbiew> cjwatson: cool
[16:45] <ev> wow, lets go with that first one and switch the desktop environment to twm
[16:45] <cjwatson> there are a few basic widgets we don't have yet, some debate as to the best way to represent them so that things still work well with things like serial consoles
[16:46] <robbiew> yeah...i figured there were corner cases not considered with it
[16:46] <barry> ev: twm ftw!  (who remembers wool?)
[16:46] <robbiew> the overall effect is very clean...with the subtle animations as you scroll though the OSes
[16:47] <robbiew> anyway...that's all I had
[16:47] <ev> barry: wool?
[16:47] <robbiew> oh...and we are close to naming a release manager
[16:47] <ev> yay
[16:47] <robbiew> down to 2 candidates
[16:47] <robbiew> "yay" indeed
[16:47] <cjwatson> robbiew: wanna help design grub2 themes for the package?  there's only one person doing grub2 theming work at the moment (directhex)
[16:47] <Keybuk> robbiew: did they not have a name before they applied?
[16:48] <barry> ev: well, actually gwm.  wool was the lisp dialect that the wm ran
[16:48] <ev> cjwatson: otto?
[16:48] <robbiew> cjwatson: hmm...I'll take a look at it, sure
[16:48] <robbiew> Keybuk: /very/ funny
[16:48] <doko> ok, are we funished?
[16:48] <robbiew> ev: yeah..that makes more sense
[16:48] <cjwatson> ev: directhex => jo shields
[16:48] <cjwatson> ev: or are you saying otto has been doing some?
[16:49] <cjwatson> if so he hasn't told anyone :-)
[16:49] <ev> robbiew: well that's not to say he has time to do it
[16:49] <robbiew> sure
[16:49] <ev> cjwatson: no, not at all
[16:49] <ev> I just figured it was his realm more than anyone else's
[16:49] <robbiew> but probably not worth waisting time on designing themes we know won't get used
[16:49] <robbiew> heh
[16:49] <cjwatson> ah, right.  I don't think it needs to bump out other design team things at the moment
[16:49] <ev> but I am fully aware that getting some of his time is not the easiest task on the planet
[16:49] <robbiew> anyway...I'll take a stab at it
[16:49] <robbiew> I got a lot more time on my hands these days
[16:49] <robbiew> ;)
[16:50]  * cjwatson ponders an lplib script to reassign all his bugs to robbiew
[16:50] <robbiew> heh
[16:50] <ev> barry: ah, unfamiliar with that.  I was only just getting started when I used twm.
[16:51] <doko> next chair?
[16:51] <barry> ev: teh googles says the last update to its web page was mid 90's ;)
[16:51] <ev> hahaha, awesome
[16:51] <cjwatson> doko: rule from last meeting would make it you again ;-)
[16:51] <cjwatson> so I guess obvious sanity check means we use the second from the shuffle list in that case, i.e. me
[16:52] <Keybuk> I used to like olvwm
[16:52] <ev> are we playing roulette with the chair now as well?
[16:52] <doko> cjwatson: ok ... :-/
[16:52] <doko> 3
[16:52] <doko> 2
[16:53] <barry> Keybuk: i remember that one
[16:53] <doko> 1
[16:53] <doko> #endmeeting
[16:53] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:53.
[16:53] <robbiew> thanks doko
[16:53] <psurbhi> doko, thanks
[16:53] <doko> will shuffle better next time
[16:53] <psurbhi> :)
[16:53] <barry> doko: hack the script! :)
[16:53] <cjwatson> doko: it's fine for it to be me :)
[16:53] <barry> thanks doko
[16:54]  * barry -> reboot intarwebs
[16:54] <ev> thanks