[18:44] <newz2000> hey stas, I just talked to akgraner about the fridge...
[18:44] <newz2000> apparently she was in the process of having someone create a new theme for the fridge (from scratch)
[18:44] <newz2000> so I redirected her so that she'll use the community theme
[18:45] <newz2000> she's going to give us some ideas of what she wants. She may know someone who wants to help.
[18:45] <newz2000> I'm going to let you lead that show, though.
[18:45] <newz2000> (because you're doing such a good job)
[18:46] <newz2000> I think she'll be in touch tomorrow
[18:47] <mhall119> what does fridge run?
[18:48] <jpds> mhall119: Drupal if I recall correctly.
[18:49] <newz2000> we're switching them to wp soon
[18:53] <mhall119> ah, ok
[18:53] <mhall119> so, note the one I'm working on
[19:09] <newz2000> ubuntu-website is down to 12 new bugs and 138 total open.
[19:09]  * newz2000 wonders if he can get that down to under 100 today and still do his other tasks
[19:15] <mhall119> I have some changes to default.css, where should I propose those?
[19:16] <mhall119> or should I just seem the separate?
[19:27] <mhall119> it's gonna be 13 new bugs in a minute...
[19:28] <mhall119> newz2000: should bugs for the new theme be registered to the ubuntu-website project?
[20:04] <mhall119> nevermind, I went ahead and created the bug, made the fix, pushed it and proposed the merge
[20:10] <stas> btw, I'm still working on wordpress theme, now sidebars and widget areas are ready
[20:10] <stas> I just wanted to mention that I found some css errors and a suggestion
[20:11] <stas> currently the font sizes are messed, part of them are in '%' other is in 'em'
[20:11] <stas> I suggest using only one measurement unit
[20:12] <mhall119> yeah, I noticed that too
[20:12] <mhall119> 100% sometimes, 0.75em at others
[20:12] <mhall119> though I think the 100% was just to reset
[20:12] <mhall119> are there non-100% instances?
[20:42] <stas> not sure, but anyway typography can be improved in basic template
[20:43] <stas> in wordpress theme I'm using from 80% - 120% I think
[20:43] <stas> also there's an error with some value with comma witch should be dot
[20:44] <stas> forgot where exactly I spotted
[20:50] <mhall119> did you correct it?
[20:50] <mhall119> if so, bzr diff should show it
[20:54] <stas> nope, I'm using basic theme only for visual roadmap, the css code is useless since I'm using a theme framework
[20:55] <stas> I got a problem, I don't know what to do with the footer and asides[1-3]
[20:55] <stas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/7GT/
[20:55] <stas> in basic template there are 6 asides which is too much afaik
[20:56] <stas> this means I will have to add 6 widgets only to get the asides included
[20:57] <knome> stas, just use a custom built widget, which allows multiple same widgets to be included
[20:57] <knome> :P
[20:58] <stas> knome: yeah, I was thinking about it, and leave the user to add 6 (lets say) text widgets to mimic the content from basic theme?
[20:58] <knome> why not, if the content is not something you can predict anyway.
[20:59]  * stas zomg, I wish a designer could code this css instead of me :)
[20:59] <knome> hah
[20:59] <knome> :)
[20:59] <mhall119> yeah, I didn't even have to worry about those for the Django template
[20:59] <stas> knome: ok, I was just saying that adding widget areas are like placeholders
[20:59] <stas> :)
[20:59] <knome> i can do that if you promise me canonical pays for it ;)
[21:00] <stas> knome: you speak like canonical pays me for that :)
[21:00] <knome> i don't. :)
[21:00] <knome> i'm just not putting my stick into that project without money
[21:00] <knome> glad you are ;)
[21:01] <stas> knome: don't make me look sily :P
[21:01] <knome> but you are!
[21:01] <knome> i mean... ;)
[21:01]  * mhall119 is doing this for free
[21:02] <knome> no really, it's not silly, but you just can't jump into *every* project for free :)
[21:02] <newz2000> All I can offer is encouragement, hope that will do
[21:02] <mhall119> knome: technically you can
[21:02] <mhall119> look at cjohnston
[21:02] <knome> mhall119, i didn't mean that :P
[21:02] <knome> mhall119, yeah, he never gets anything done
[21:02] <knome> oops
[21:03] <mhall119> you're never gonna get a code review from him now
[21:04] <knome> fortunately i don't need one :P
[21:05] <mhall119> I do
[21:05] <knome> then take the oil out and be ready to rub his back when he returns online
[21:05] <mhall119> eeewwww
[21:06] <knome> well that was what i thought you were describing
[21:06] <mhall119> I'll just say I won't do a User Day or Django class until he does it
[21:06] <knome> "you have to rub his/her back so he can do things for you"
[21:06] <knome> and "he/she won't do anything for you if you're not nice to him/her" :P
[21:06]  * mhall119 prefers the stick method
[21:07] <knome> stick... in the back?
[21:07] <mhall119> wherever it hurts
[21:07] <knome> well i'm sure a stick would hurt in your... back
[21:07]  * mhall119 wouldn't know
[21:07]  * knome *cough* neither
[21:08]  * mhall119 wasn't judging
[21:08] <knome> hehe :)
[21:08]  * stas back
[21:08] <mhall119> whatever compiles your code, so to speak
[21:08] <knome> well definitely not a stick on my back :|
[21:09] <knome> it might be compulsory, even if it wouldn't compile your code, much like using "use strict" in perl
[21:09] <stas> knome: money can be a good motivation, but there's something even better, like community response and respect
[21:09]  * mhall119 never uses strict
[21:09] <knome> stas, definitely. that's why i work on other things open source
[21:09] <stas> with ubuntu-website or without them I would have to update my wordpress-loco project its just a matter of time
[21:10] <knome> mhall119, eww! your code stays far away from my pc
[21:10] <MTecknology> newz2000: hey- sorry about not doing anything with the Drupal theme yet - We'll be getting involved heavily (i think) pretty shortly. One of our old buddies is coming back.
[21:10] <mhall119> knome: I won't be kept down by "the man" (Larry Wall)
[21:10] <knome> bah
[21:10] <mhall119> my code is free spirited, it does what it wants
[21:10] <knome> yeah
[21:10] <mhall119> even if that mean pooping on your lawn
[21:10] <knome> the only "spirit" that can be found in this apartment is rum
[21:10] <knome> ;)
[21:10] <stas> knome: btw, what are the projects you're involved into?
[21:10] <MTecknology> How are the branches set up?
[21:11] <stas> MTecknology: I think wildly :) I mean nothing is stable and accepted for sure yet
[21:11] <MTecknology> oh
[21:11] <knome> stas, until recently i was the xubuntu marketing lead (did the artwork from jaunty->karmic(lucid)), now i'm just involving random stuff and running the shimmer project (http://shimmerproject.org/), which also somewhat relates to ubuntu
[21:11] <newz2000> MTecknology: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website there is a series for drupal. I'd check it out and put your code there, then propose for merging
[21:12] <mhall119> MTecknology: there are framework-specific branches under lp:ubuntu-website/
[21:13] <mhall119> and also the base release
[21:13] <stas> knome: I see, good luck with it btw
[21:13] <MTecknology> What I wwas referring to is how they branch off of each other - because the base thme is what the other themes should branch from
[21:13] <mhall119> so far, when I have a change to the default.css or base HTML, I propose them back into light-base-theme as well as light-django-theme
[21:13] <mhall119> MTecknology: they are separate branches
[21:13] <mhall119> as far as I know
[21:14] <mhall119> light-django-theme definitely is
[21:14] <MTecknology> yucky..
[21:14] <mhall119> not based on light-base-theme
[21:14] <stas> MTecknology: it depends, I can't use base css as I said, I'm working with a framework
[21:14] <knome> stas, thanks :)
[21:15] <knome> stas, but as i said, i'm still involved in random ubuntu stuff :)
[21:15] <mhall119> and we can't share index.html, because each has to change it to work in their framework
[21:15] <knome> stas, (that's why i'm still here)
[21:15] <stas> knome: you mentioned xubuntu, do you know janimo or had the chance to meet him? :)
[21:15] <mhall119> knome: btw, the Xubuntu artwork for 9.10 was nice
[21:15] <knome> stas, no, only know him by name
[21:16] <knome> mhall119, thanks
[21:16] <stas> knome: he's one of the guys who introduced me to ubuntu :)
[21:16] <stas> we meet from time to time here in romania
[21:16] <knome> i joined the project after he had left
[21:16] <mhall119> I used Xubuntu as a base for Qimo
[21:17] <stas> knome: he has or will have soon a baby afaik :)
[21:17] <mhall119> it's good
[21:17] <knome> heh, congrats for him if you see him
[21:17] <knome> mhall119, xubuntu or qimo? ;)
[21:17] <mhall119> knome: well, both, but I was specifically referring to Xubuntu
[21:17] <stas> will do :)
[21:17] <mhall119> I congratulate myself in private ;)
[21:18] <knome> mhall119, plese don't tell more about that handshaking
[21:18] <stas> newz2000: hows the new job? :)
[21:20] <MTecknology> So each branch is intended to pretty much be it's own complete project but all held in one parent?
[21:21] <mhall119> seems that way
[21:21] <MTecknology> alrighty
[21:22] <mhall119> I don't think that's on purpose though
[21:22] <stas> so back to my question, how should I format my footer?
[21:22] <mhall119> if you can think of a better arrangement, I'd be happy to change
[21:23] <stas> not sure but I think loco websites ain't gonna use 'Privacy' and 'Legal' in footer
[21:23] <MTecknology> mhall119: nah- makes things easier for me
[21:23] <stas> so I can reduce that block to a text widget
[21:23] <mhall119> I just make 3 unlabeled footer blocks
[21:23] <stas> mhall119: ok
[21:23] <mhall119> not sure how that translates into Wordpress
[21:24] <stas> mhall119: I got you :)
[22:10] <newz2000> stas: great. My new boss rocks. Gives me plenty of notice on new work.
[22:10] <newz2000> stas: speaking of time, did you finish your terms / finals?
[22:11] <stas> newz2000: great :)
[22:11] <stas> about exams, almost, didnt get some of them, but its not like I would care too much :)
[22:12] <newz2000> so now you get to take a break for a couple months?
[22:12] <stas> why should i? :)
[22:12] <stas> my last weeks were all only wordpress, coding for gsoc and here, which I'm more proud of
[22:12] <stas> compared to exam results
[22:15] <MTecknology> mhall119: had issues - 3 new bugs filed in launchpad...
[22:15] <MTecknology> mhall119: I proposed the branch for merging
[22:15] <stas> btw, newz2000 did you find the man who will take the place of your old job?
[22:15] <MTecknology> me!
[22:15] <newz2000> not yet, exec's still deciding on the job description and if they need to be in London or remote is OK
[22:17] <mhall119> MTecknology: which bugs?
[22:17] <stas> i'm eager to meet our new coordinator :P
[22:17] <MTecknology> mhall119: just a few lifeless and I picked up in the merge proposal process
[22:18] <newz2000> stas: I think it will still be me
[22:18] <mhall119> MTecknology: on ubuntu-website?
[22:18] <stas> newz2000: than I'm cool :)
[22:19] <MTecknology> mhall119: ya - they're filed in launchpad-code - I just took a cheap back door that won't break things down the road :)
[22:19] <mhall119> oh, in the drupal theme project
[22:19] <MTecknology> they're bugs in the launchpad code - nothing to do w/ the projects
[22:20] <mhall119> oh, ok
[22:25] <mhall119> MTecknology: merging
[22:25] <mhall119> and with that, I'm off for the night
[22:28] <MTecknology> mhall119: g'night
[22:30] <stas> mhall119: night
[23:25] <stas> newz2000: I got an idea. wordpress allows you to export/import backups easily
[23:25] <stas> maybe we should create a website skeleton
[23:25] <newz2000> stas: that's a good idea
[23:25] <stas> and provide the xml file as a startup package
[23:25] <stas> this way all the webpages are created, it will require only the content to be added
[23:26] <newz2000> yeah, good plan
[23:26] <newz2000> stas: are you targeting wp 3.x?
[23:26] <stas> yep
[23:26] <newz2000> Will this work with 2.9?
[23:26] <stas> except menus yes
[23:26] <knome> stas, is there huge changes from 2.9.x to 3.x ?
[23:26] <newz2000> will it work with 2.8?
[23:27] <stas> I mean it still can fallback to plain lists (ul/ol li)
[23:27] <stas> newz2000: also should
[23:27] <newz2000> the reason I ask is that many locos have canonical hosted services and I'm sure they're not the latest version
[23:27] <newz2000> (though I'm equally sure they're at least 2.8)
[23:27] <stas> basically the menus in the header are generated using two widgets,so what lists you add there, those will be printed
[23:28] <stas> knome: yes, a lot of improvements
[23:28] <stas> a lot of api goodness, and easier management of content
[23:28] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:28] <stas> basically wordpress starting from 3.x is a cmf
[23:29] <stas> drupal now has a real competitor
[23:29] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:29] <newz2000> I think 3.x needs to be 3.1 for that to happen
[23:29] <knome> did they already melt the wpmu code back to wp?
[23:29] <stas> i'm almost sure it will get updated in a month after release
[23:30] <stas> knome: yep
[23:30]  * newz2000 hopes the multi-site feature gets a big revamp
[23:30] <newz2000> I wrote a commercial content management system before coming to Canonical
[23:30] <newz2000> wp needs to use our multi-site feature because the mu stuff is bad
[23:30] <knome> stas, okay, then i'm kind of waiting for that, but also afraid of that – i'm running rpmu right noe..
[23:30] <knome> newz2000, bad as in?
[23:31] <newz2000> so fragile
[23:31] <stas> newz2000: did you write it above wordpress ?
[23:31] <newz2000> it was completely separate product, not related to wp at all
[23:31] <stas> ah I see
[23:31] <newz2000> it would be a very invasive change to wp though
[23:31] <stas> not that it is in core, wpmu will get much more attention hopefully
[23:32] <stas> now*
[23:32]  * stas sleepy :)
[23:32] <stas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/7HS/ we got the slider :)
[23:33] <newz2000> good night stas, thanks for your work
[23:33] <stas> np :)