[18:44] hey stas, I just talked to akgraner about the fridge... [18:44] apparently she was in the process of having someone create a new theme for the fridge (from scratch) [18:44] so I redirected her so that she'll use the community theme [18:45] she's going to give us some ideas of what she wants. She may know someone who wants to help. [18:45] I'm going to let you lead that show, though. [18:45] (because you're doing such a good job) [18:46] I think she'll be in touch tomorrow [18:47] what does fridge run? [18:48] mhall119: Drupal if I recall correctly. [18:49] we're switching them to wp soon [18:53] ah, ok [18:53] so, note the one I'm working on [19:09] ubuntu-website is down to 12 new bugs and 138 total open. [19:09] * newz2000 wonders if he can get that down to under 100 today and still do his other tasks [19:15] I have some changes to default.css, where should I propose those? [19:16] or should I just seem the separate? [19:27] it's gonna be 13 new bugs in a minute... [19:28] newz2000: should bugs for the new theme be registered to the ubuntu-website project? [20:04] nevermind, I went ahead and created the bug, made the fix, pushed it and proposed the merge [20:10] btw, I'm still working on wordpress theme, now sidebars and widget areas are ready [20:10] I just wanted to mention that I found some css errors and a suggestion [20:11] currently the font sizes are messed, part of them are in '%' other is in 'em' [20:11] I suggest using only one measurement unit [20:12] yeah, I noticed that too [20:12] 100% sometimes, 0.75em at others [20:12] though I think the 100% was just to reset [20:12] are there non-100% instances? [20:42] not sure, but anyway typography can be improved in basic template [20:43] in wordpress theme I'm using from 80% - 120% I think [20:43] also there's an error with some value with comma witch should be dot [20:44] forgot where exactly I spotted [20:50] did you correct it? [20:50] if so, bzr diff should show it [20:54] nope, I'm using basic theme only for visual roadmap, the css code is useless since I'm using a theme framework [20:55] I got a problem, I don't know what to do with the footer and asides[1-3] [20:55] http://ubuntuone.com/p/7GT/ [20:55] in basic template there are 6 asides which is too much afaik [20:56] this means I will have to add 6 widgets only to get the asides included [20:57] stas, just use a custom built widget, which allows multiple same widgets to be included [20:57] :P [20:58] knome: yeah, I was thinking about it, and leave the user to add 6 (lets say) text widgets to mimic the content from basic theme? [20:58] why not, if the content is not something you can predict anyway. [20:59] * stas zomg, I wish a designer could code this css instead of me :) [20:59] hah [20:59] :) [20:59] yeah, I didn't even have to worry about those for the Django template [20:59] knome: ok, I was just saying that adding widget areas are like placeholders [20:59] :) [20:59] i can do that if you promise me canonical pays for it ;) [21:00] knome: you speak like canonical pays me for that :) [21:00] i don't. :) [21:00] i'm just not putting my stick into that project without money [21:00] glad you are ;) [21:01] knome: don't make me look sily :P [21:01] but you are! [21:01] i mean... ;) [21:01] * mhall119 is doing this for free [21:02] no really, it's not silly, but you just can't jump into *every* project for free :) [21:02] All I can offer is encouragement, hope that will do [21:02] knome: technically you can [21:02] look at cjohnston [21:02] mhall119, i didn't mean that :P [21:02] mhall119, yeah, he never gets anything done [21:02] oops [21:03] you're never gonna get a code review from him now [21:04] fortunately i don't need one :P [21:05] I do [21:05] then take the oil out and be ready to rub his back when he returns online [21:05] eeewwww [21:06] well that was what i thought you were describing [21:06] I'll just say I won't do a User Day or Django class until he does it [21:06] "you have to rub his/her back so he can do things for you" [21:06] and "he/she won't do anything for you if you're not nice to him/her" :P [21:06] * mhall119 prefers the stick method [21:07] stick... in the back? [21:07] wherever it hurts [21:07] well i'm sure a stick would hurt in your... back [21:07] * mhall119 wouldn't know [21:07] * knome *cough* neither [21:08] * mhall119 wasn't judging [21:08] hehe :) [21:08] * stas back [21:08] whatever compiles your code, so to speak [21:08] well definitely not a stick on my back :| [21:09] it might be compulsory, even if it wouldn't compile your code, much like using "use strict" in perl [21:09] knome: money can be a good motivation, but there's something even better, like community response and respect [21:09] * mhall119 never uses strict [21:09] stas, definitely. that's why i work on other things open source [21:09] with ubuntu-website or without them I would have to update my wordpress-loco project its just a matter of time [21:10] mhall119, eww! your code stays far away from my pc [21:10] newz2000: hey- sorry about not doing anything with the Drupal theme yet - We'll be getting involved heavily (i think) pretty shortly. One of our old buddies is coming back. [21:10] knome: I won't be kept down by "the man" (Larry Wall) [21:10] bah [21:10] my code is free spirited, it does what it wants [21:10] yeah [21:10] even if that mean pooping on your lawn [21:10] the only "spirit" that can be found in this apartment is rum [21:10] ;) [21:10] knome: btw, what are the projects you're involved into? [21:10] How are the branches set up? [21:11] MTecknology: I think wildly :) I mean nothing is stable and accepted for sure yet [21:11] oh [21:11] stas, until recently i was the xubuntu marketing lead (did the artwork from jaunty->karmic(lucid)), now i'm just involving random stuff and running the shimmer project (http://shimmerproject.org/), which also somewhat relates to ubuntu [21:11] MTecknology: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website there is a series for drupal. I'd check it out and put your code there, then propose for merging [21:12] MTecknology: there are framework-specific branches under lp:ubuntu-website/ [21:13] and also the base release [21:13] knome: I see, good luck with it btw [21:13] What I wwas referring to is how they branch off of each other - because the base thme is what the other themes should branch from [21:13] so far, when I have a change to the default.css or base HTML, I propose them back into light-base-theme as well as light-django-theme [21:13] MTecknology: they are separate branches [21:13] as far as I know [21:14] light-django-theme definitely is [21:14] yucky.. [21:14] not based on light-base-theme [21:14] MTecknology: it depends, I can't use base css as I said, I'm working with a framework [21:14] stas, thanks :) [21:15] stas, but as i said, i'm still involved in random ubuntu stuff :) [21:15] and we can't share index.html, because each has to change it to work in their framework [21:15] stas, (that's why i'm still here) [21:15] knome: you mentioned xubuntu, do you know janimo or had the chance to meet him? :) [21:15] knome: btw, the Xubuntu artwork for 9.10 was nice [21:15] stas, no, only know him by name [21:16] mhall119, thanks [21:16] knome: he's one of the guys who introduced me to ubuntu :) [21:16] we meet from time to time here in romania [21:16] i joined the project after he had left [21:16] I used Xubuntu as a base for Qimo [21:17] knome: he has or will have soon a baby afaik :) [21:17] it's good [21:17] heh, congrats for him if you see him [21:17] mhall119, xubuntu or qimo? ;) [21:17] knome: well, both, but I was specifically referring to Xubuntu [21:17] will do :) [21:17] I congratulate myself in private ;) [21:18] mhall119, plese don't tell more about that handshaking [21:18] newz2000: hows the new job? :) [21:20] So each branch is intended to pretty much be it's own complete project but all held in one parent? [21:21] seems that way [21:21] alrighty [21:22] I don't think that's on purpose though [21:22] so back to my question, how should I format my footer? [21:22] if you can think of a better arrangement, I'd be happy to change [21:23] not sure but I think loco websites ain't gonna use 'Privacy' and 'Legal' in footer [21:23] mhall119: nah- makes things easier for me [21:23] so I can reduce that block to a text widget [21:23] I just make 3 unlabeled footer blocks [21:23] mhall119: ok [21:23] not sure how that translates into Wordpress [21:24] mhall119: I got you :) [22:10] stas: great. My new boss rocks. Gives me plenty of notice on new work. [22:10] stas: speaking of time, did you finish your terms / finals? [22:11] newz2000: great :) [22:11] about exams, almost, didnt get some of them, but its not like I would care too much :) [22:12] so now you get to take a break for a couple months? [22:12] why should i? :) [22:12] my last weeks were all only wordpress, coding for gsoc and here, which I'm more proud of [22:12] compared to exam results [22:15] mhall119: had issues - 3 new bugs filed in launchpad... [22:15] mhall119: I proposed the branch for merging [22:15] btw, newz2000 did you find the man who will take the place of your old job? [22:15] me! [22:15] not yet, exec's still deciding on the job description and if they need to be in London or remote is OK [22:17] MTecknology: which bugs? [22:17] i'm eager to meet our new coordinator :P [22:17] mhall119: just a few lifeless and I picked up in the merge proposal process [22:18] stas: I think it will still be me [22:18] MTecknology: on ubuntu-website? [22:18] newz2000: than I'm cool :) [22:19] mhall119: ya - they're filed in launchpad-code - I just took a cheap back door that won't break things down the road :) [22:19] oh, in the drupal theme project [22:19] they're bugs in the launchpad code - nothing to do w/ the projects [22:20] oh, ok [22:25] MTecknology: merging [22:25] and with that, I'm off for the night [22:28] mhall119: g'night [22:30] mhall119: night [23:25] newz2000: I got an idea. wordpress allows you to export/import backups easily [23:25] maybe we should create a website skeleton [23:25] stas: that's a good idea [23:25] and provide the xml file as a startup package [23:25] this way all the webpages are created, it will require only the content to be added [23:26] yeah, good plan [23:26] stas: are you targeting wp 3.x? [23:26] yep [23:26] Will this work with 2.9? [23:26] except menus yes [23:26] stas, is there huge changes from 2.9.x to 3.x ? [23:26] will it work with 2.8? [23:27] I mean it still can fallback to plain lists (ul/ol li) [23:27] newz2000: also should [23:27] the reason I ask is that many locos have canonical hosted services and I'm sure they're not the latest version [23:27] (though I'm equally sure they're at least 2.8) [23:27] basically the menus in the header are generated using two widgets,so what lists you add there, those will be printed [23:28] knome: yes, a lot of improvements [23:28] a lot of api goodness, and easier management of content [23:28] mm-hmm [23:28] basically wordpress starting from 3.x is a cmf [23:29] drupal now has a real competitor [23:29] mm-hmm [23:29] I think 3.x needs to be 3.1 for that to happen [23:29] did they already melt the wpmu code back to wp? [23:29] i'm almost sure it will get updated in a month after release [23:30] knome: yep [23:30] * newz2000 hopes the multi-site feature gets a big revamp [23:30] I wrote a commercial content management system before coming to Canonical [23:30] wp needs to use our multi-site feature because the mu stuff is bad [23:30] stas, okay, then i'm kind of waiting for that, but also afraid of that – i'm running rpmu right noe.. [23:30] newz2000, bad as in? [23:31] so fragile [23:31] newz2000: did you write it above wordpress ? [23:31] it was completely separate product, not related to wp at all [23:31] ah I see [23:31] it would be a very invasive change to wp though [23:31] not that it is in core, wpmu will get much more attention hopefully [23:32] now* [23:32] * stas sleepy :) [23:32] http://ubuntuone.com/p/7HS/ we got the slider :) [23:33] good night stas, thanks for your work [23:33] np :)