[00:29] <qwe> just installed Xubuntu 10.04 and noticed that Help shows file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html
[00:29] <qwe> Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10!
[00:30] <qwe> what are the steps to upgrade from 4.6.1 to 4.6.2 -- I am using Xubuntu v10.04
[00:30] <qwe> what are the steps to upgrade XFCE from 4.6.1 to 4.6.2 -- I am using Xubuntu v10.04
[00:31] <qwe> after installing Xubuntu v10.04 I downloaded some 120+ patches (all of them) and rebooted the system -- should not XFCE be upgraded or updated to v4.6.2 from v4.6.1 ?
[00:32] <knome> qwe, please do not repeat
[00:33] <pleia2> qwe: it should not have been upgraded, 4.6.2 is not in 10.04 (it will be in 10.10)
[00:34] <knome> it will also be on 10.04 via SRU's, but not yet
[00:35] <knome> hey pleia2 :)
[00:35] <qwe> how can I configure the Xubuntu v10.04 to use two screen ? this HP dx2250 machine has a Radeon x1650 dual video card. Right now both screens are mirrored
[00:35] <pleia2> hey knome :)
[00:37] <qwe> System --> Hardware drivers --> No proprietary drivers are in use on this system -- should not there be something for this ATI x1650 video card ?
[00:37] <pleia2> ATI's open source driver is great so most people don't need it, I don't know anything about dual screens though, sorry
[00:37] <knome> qwe, something like "xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0" where DVI-0 is your primary screen and DVI-1 the secondary
[00:38] <knome> qwe, just "xrandr" should tell you all the connected monitors
[00:39] <knome> pleia2, if you ever decide to try dual head, be warned; you never can live with less
[00:39] <qwe> pleia2 -- thank you; do you think that not being able to get both screens to work (aside in mirrored mode) has something to do with XFCE ? -- that was just my best shot in the dark after not being able to find how to configure dual screens in Xubuntu 10.04
[00:39] <knome> qwe, see my comment, i'm running dual mode in xubuntu right now
[00:40] <knome> qwe, with that exact command
[00:40] <pleia2> knome: I considered it recently but then just ended up hooking a monitor up to my woefully unutilized firewall and use synergy
[00:40] <knome> heh
[00:40] <knome> two screens even make you feel more professional than you actually are...
[00:40] <knome> *cough* :)
[00:40] <pleia2> hehe
[00:41] <knome> no really, now i feel i can even tell my clients, when coming home to work, that i'm "going to my studio"
[00:42] <knome> and that i use "professional equipment"
[00:42] <qwe> pleia2 -- synergy was/is very impressive -- I could get it going on three systems: Windows, Solaris and Linux -- just one mouse and one K/B -- awesome !
[00:42] <pleia2> qwe: yeah, I love it :)
[00:48] <qwe> knome -- god bless you -- xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0 worked perfectly
[00:48] <knome> qwe, you have to put that in the autostarted apps
[00:48] <knome> qwe, because it will reset itself in every X boot
[00:49] <qwe> knome -- what have I got to do for this setting ... you are just too quick :)
[00:49] <knome> qwe, sure.
[00:50] <knome> qwe, some of the people in the channel suspect i have every comment i write binded to a shortcut key.
[00:51] <qwe> ...searching for autostarted apps now -- will this work for all users or only for the user I put xrandr command in autostarted apps ?
[00:51] <knome> i'm actually not sure
[00:51] <knome> applications » settings » session and startup » tab "application autostart"
[00:53] <knome> qwe, i think you have to edit /etc/profile to get it for all users
[00:53] <knome> qwe, but i'm not sure about this - never done it
[00:57] <qwe> knome -- I think I have just found it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[00:57] <qwe> there is a section about xrandr ... and will apply to all users including the login screen...
[00:57] <knome> mmh, right
[00:58] <knome> qwe, tell me if that works and i'll apply as well
[00:58] <knome> ;]
[00:59] <knome> a friend recently asked "who needs/wants dualhead in gdm", but apparently people do
[01:02] <qwe> from my experience when external video card is installed the built in one (if there is one gets / becomes disabled); I have attached third screen to this HP dx2250 and found that in Windows 7 all three screens are functioning. First screen for browser, second for watching videos and third just for Outlook.
[01:02] <knome> hah
[01:03] <knome> i was about to say three monitors is overkill, but it's not
[01:03] <knome> i'd like a third as well
[01:03] <qwe> I am just tired of constantly switching from one app to the one behind (either via mouse or Alt+Tab)
[01:03] <knome> well
[01:03] <knome> i can fit all my apps to these two monitors
[01:04] <knome> though i third wouldn't hurt
[01:05] <qwe> I don't even remember what made me try that but was suprised that that built-in video card worked and that the system did not disable it
[01:07] <qwe> I could fit all the apps on one screen in the Apple Store on their 30" screen -- wish I could afford...
[01:07] <knome> :)
[01:07] <knome> i have two dell 24" widescreens..
[01:09] <qwe> I wonder what kind of screens were those in Iron Man 2 -- who makes them and how much are they ?
[01:10] <knome> qwe, what did they look like?
[01:10] <qwe> they were clear as in see through or something like that
[01:11] <knome> qwe, right... must be some kind of projecting stuff
[01:11] <qwe> kind of like what they usually have on ships or submarines -- again just from what I have seen in the movies or on TV
[01:11] <knome> did you consider how hard it would be to actually read stuff from a screen that's partly transparent?
[01:11] <knome> http://www.techau.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/image.png
[01:12] <knome> (no, i wouldn't want one)
[01:12] <knome> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673219-REG/Ostendo_Technologies_CDM43_CRVD_43_Curved_Display.html could be kewl, though
[01:13] <knome> wish i would have a reason to buy...
[01:16] <qwe> I think just have to start playing video games on such screen
[01:17] <knome> yeah, but i don't have a reason to buy that if i don't alredy play video games
[01:17] <knome> and i don't think it would be cool enough to play openttd on such a screen, since you can't control everything on the screen at the same time anyway
[01:17] <knome> ;)
[01:21] <qwe> the only thing with two screens is that I think my eyes get tired quicker
[01:22] <knome> the only thing with two screens (and not three) is that the gap in the middle annoys a bit
[01:23] <_Techie_> i agree with ya there knome, i wish i had a third screen
[01:23] <_Techie_> or even LCD panels
[01:24] <qwe> I am trying for years now master trading stocks or options and now spread betting and every little mistake costs me -- and there are just so many possibilities and so many mistakes to make...
[01:25] <qwe> apropo openttd...
[01:25] <knome> heh
[01:28] <qwe> also after many years of trying different distros I think I am going to stick with Xubuntu -- my girlfriend even likes it after she saw the mouse in the logo
[01:29] <knome> hah
[01:29] <knome> what a lousy reason to like a distro ;)
[01:29] <pleia2> I just use it because of the mouse too
[01:29] <pleia2> (just kidding)
[01:29] <knome> pleia2, girls...
[01:29] <knome> pleia2, j/k ;)
[01:29] <pleia2> hehe :)
[01:29] <qwe> and thanks to you I can have two screen -- thank you again
[01:29] <knome> qwe, no problem:)
[01:33] <qwe> well, it is "just" Ubuntu and if I remember correctly Google uses it so that is good enough for Google, than why would not I want to use it. There are many solutions published on the Internet; Canonical was shipping out free CDs with Ubuntu, etc. etc.
[01:35] <qwe> I think I first saw and used KDE when trying Slackware; then Gnome with Red Hat, but found that Gnome and I think it's Nautilus file manager often "crashed" (and it reminded me of using Windows OS). I then learn about Windows Manager, read that XFCE is very fast because it is light weight, etc. so here I am.
[01:36] <knome> :)
[01:36] <knome> i actually first wen to ubuntu, then switched to kubuntu for a few days and then xubuntu
[01:36] <xGrind> lubuntu is more light who xubuntu ?
[01:37] <knome> xGrind, pure comparison probably, but it also lacks features
[01:37] <xGrind> :)
[01:39] <qwe> I saw and used Ubuntu Studio for few days, but my friend is into graphics and programming -- sticking with Xubuntu anywas
[01:40] <knome> qwe, i'm "pretty much" into graphics as well... i do that for living
[01:40] <qwe> well, I am going to see my other "little mouse" -- she just walked in and walked out ;(
[01:41] <knome> aww :)
[01:41] <knome> have a nice day/night
[01:42] <qwe> take care knome
[01:42] <knome> you too
[06:19] <Sysi> knome: to that screen thing, i'm reading very much on transparent terminal
[06:21] <Sysi> knome: it's nearly problematic only when there's other white text on black background
[09:54] <Frubl> .
[09:56] <Frubl> Hello
[09:57] <Frubl> Could anyone help me with sound configuration ?
[10:33] <TheSheep> !audio
[11:00] <nikolam> hi. If I remove Administrative rights from my user, what do you thing is the best way of to administer the system that way?
[11:02] <bazhang> nikolam, why would you want to do that
[11:03] <nikolam> bazhang, I think it is basically insecure for me to run apps and to execute system applications with administrative rights, with the same account I use for everyday work
[11:04] <nikolam> I am nont on windows anymore where everyone is using administrator account
[11:04] <bazhang> nikolam, no it's not
[11:04] <bazhang> nikolam, just use sudo
[11:04] <nikolam> So how do one only need my personal password to get access to all machine?
[11:05] <bazhang> nikolam, if they get physical access, then password or no, its game over
[11:05] <nikolam> no its not bazhang , like in the office or something
[11:06] <nikolam> Now if someone gets my password with administrative righrt, that IS game over
[11:06] <nikolam> so I want to use it without those rights
[11:06] <bazhang> nikolam, removing the user from ability to use sudo makes zero sense
[11:06] <nikolam> and administer separately
[11:07] <bazhang> not going to argue with you nikolam .
[11:07] <nikolam> bazhang, you did not provide any reason for not making sense. I expressed my consideration that if used with administrator-enabled account, then whole security of machine relies on that one single password
[11:07] <bazhang> nikolam, make it a secure password.
[11:08] <nikolam> So I am talking about how do one would think is the best way to administer system
[11:08] <Sysi> if someone can fysically get to your computer game already is lost
[11:08] <bazhang> yep
[11:08] <nikolam> if not administrative account is used for everyday work
[11:08] <bazhang> doesn't matter in the office or wherever
[11:08] <Sysi> if you want it so much, create account without admin properties
[11:08] <nikolam> Sysi, that is wrong perspective. there are number of physically accesible computer that needs to be secured
[11:09] <bazhang> nikolam, it's not a sensible move to do what you propose
[11:09] <nikolam> bazhang, and please explain why you think its not more secure to separate roles from default user?
[11:09] <bazhang> nikolam, create a guest account then
[11:10] <leftleg> hi all
[11:10] <knome> Sysi, transparent terminal is different than transparent monitor :)
[11:10] <knome> !hi | leftleg
[11:10] <Sysi> nikolam: that's truth.
[11:10] <Sysi> and we have encryptions etc for that
[11:10] <leftleg> this is my first xubuntu :)
[11:10] <nikolam> also because there is no root password set on ubuntu in general, i witnessed severla times that if there is some boot problem (uuid changed on partition etc) system boots directly to root single user.. puf.
[11:11] <nikolam> Sysi, encryption is unrelated issue here
[11:11] <Sysi> grub passwd exists
[11:11] <nikolam> Sysi, but not set as default..
[11:12] <Sysi> ubuntu is not *very* strict by default
[11:12] <Sysi> and in most cases it don't need to be more
[11:13] <nikolam> Anyway, I see using user account with administrative rights on Ubuntu, as the same thing as using Administrator account on windows. And that is basically terribly wrong thing to do.
[11:13] <Sysi> i don't see it like that
[11:13] <bazhang> it's not the same at all.
[11:13] <nikolam> I would like to have something like "run as" on x/ubuntu
[11:14] <Sysi> in window's there isn't asking of passwd
[11:14] <bazhang> !lnw > nikolam
[11:14] <nikolam> Sysi, but it is. you type your user password and can trash system afterwards
[11:14] <Sysi> and even basic user can do anything :D
[11:14] <nikolam> bazhang, I think that sending me that thing to pvt is beside point.
[11:14] <bazhang> nikolam, you have some basic misunderstandings about Ubuntu and linux.
[11:15] <nikolam> bazhang, you are saying things that are not based on real life
[11:15] <Sysi> nikolam: it's totally same thing with separate administrative password
[11:15] <nikolam> enlighten me then..
[11:16] <nikolam> Sysi, its not. you use different password with adminitrative account
[11:16] <Sysi> nikolam: and?
[11:16] <Sysi> same thing to break that
[11:16] <knome> Sysi, nikolam: if you must continue, please move to #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:16] <nikolam> Someone can get to user account and its password pretty much easy theese days
[11:16] <bazhang> thanks
[11:16] <Sysi> i think i don't have anything more to say
[11:17] <nikolam> knome, why
[11:17] <knome> nikolam, because this is xubuntu support channel
[11:17] <knome> nikolam, not "discuss the differences between linux and windows" -channel
[11:18] <nikolam> I am on xubuntu. you think its more appropriate for ubuntu talk in general. ok then.
[11:18] <nikolam> knome, I am not one sending links about windows vs linux here.
[11:18] <nikolam> but ok.
[11:19] <knome> nikolam, i'd say depends on the situation, but a moment ago we had a user who possibly needed support, but left, probably because of the conversation
[11:19] <knome> nikolam, i did say both to you and Sysi
[11:19] <nikolam> i understand
[11:19] <nikolam> users generally needs to be more informed about staying on channel sometimes
[11:20] <knome> true.
[11:20]  * nikolam wonders if there is explanation about this on page where channel link is..
[11:20] <nikolam> we have mostly the same problem on our loco channel
[11:20] <nikolam> I see it every day. They come and go within minute
[11:21] <knome> that's the human nature
[11:21] <knome> actually, it wouldnt' say minute but three magic minutes
[11:21]  * nikolam wonders if big red explanation about staying could help
[11:21] <knome> no, it wouldn't
[11:21] <nikolam> yep ;) 3mm
[11:33] <nikolam> Hm. my scroll ball on mouse does not scroll desktops on 10.04 anymore. it is turned on but can switch desktops only when over desktop switching applet and not over desktop itself, like before.
[11:35] <Sysi> it's on from windom manager tweaks?
[11:43] <nikolam> yes that is it, Sysi I forgot where it was.
[11:43] <nikolam> It is actually good it is separated from panel applet settings
[12:09] <nikolam> bah, my panels are locking in grey state, when trying to move sensor applet from one position to another
[12:17] <nikolam> bah , does xfce4 sensors applet can stay vertically at you?
[12:32] <nikolam> when i scroll over mixer applet on 10.04, sound does not come up and down
[13:01] <nikolam> pcmanfm package in 10.04 does not open directories on doubleclick on main window
[14:32] <confusedish> hey
[14:32] <confusedish> anyone here around to give me a bit of help with installing xubuntu?
[14:41] <Sysi> ask
[14:41] <confusedish> hey
[14:41] <confusedish> tried installing it
[14:41] <confusedish> getting error: unknown filesystem
[14:42] <confusedish> grub rescue>
[14:42] <confusedish> had to use the alternate installation cd
[14:42] <confusedish> as it's an old computer
[14:42] <confusedish> so can't use a live cd to reinstall grub...
[16:47] <inneedofhelp> hey, anyone around who can help me with my xubuntu installation?
[16:48] <inneedofhelp> I've installed it, but it's not booting; I think grub isn't working properly.
[16:48] <inneedofhelp> any help would be much appreciated!
[16:50] <schlaftier> inneedofhelp: please be a bit more specific: what does "it's not booting" mean?
[16:51] <inneedofhelp> after I turn the computer on, I get 'error: unknown filesystem.'
[16:51] <inneedofhelp> then a 'grub rescue>' prompt
[16:53] <inneedofhelp> googling that finds me help topics where people have reinstalled grub from a live CD
[16:53] <inneedofhelp> but I can't use the xubuntu live CD, as it's an extremely old computer with less than 192 mb ram
[16:54] <inneedofhelp> (i installed from the alternate install CD)
[16:54] <inneedofhelp> so I don't know what to do really!
[16:55] <schlaftier> relax and have some patience, this channel is not crowded
[16:55] <schlaftier> since it's not really Xubuntu-specific, you might try asking in #ubuntu
[16:55] <inneedofhelp> okay, I might pop over there and see what they say.
[16:55] <inneedofhelp> thanks.
[16:56] <Sysi> iirc alternate disc has virtual shells where you can install reinstall grub
[16:57] <inneedofhelp> do you know how to go about doing that?
[16:57] <Sysi> ctrl alt f2 when booted from cd
[16:58] <Sysi> and then same commands as on livedisc
[16:58] <inneedofhelp> I've booted it from the CD
[16:58] <inneedofhelp> ctrl alt f2 doesn't seem to be doing anything
[16:59] <inneedofhelp> there's a 'rescue a broken system' menu option.
[20:24] <markus_> halo
[20:24] <markus_> xfce4-panel won't start, i think segmentation fault
[20:25] <markus_> maybe somebody can help me
[20:26] <Sysi> don't start automatically or when you try to manually start it?
[20:26] <markus_> both
[20:27] <Sysi> what error does it give if you try to start it in terminal?
[20:32] <TheSheep> make sure you have free space left in your ~
[21:04] <markus_> aha.....
[21:11] <markus_> it's note even close
[21:11] <markus_> *not
[21:12] <raevol`> hi all, xscreensaver seems to have locked up on my main box
[21:12] <raevol`> i can ssh into it, and i killed the process, but i still can't see my desktop, it's covered by a frozen screensaver
[21:12] <raevol`> and ideas on what i can do?
[21:13] <raevol`> all xscreensaver-commands i do just hang intil i ctrl+c them
[21:15] <raevol`> k screw it just restarting
[22:36] <chalk> hi, i have compiz installed, but it doesn't activate
[22:37] <Sysi> compiz --replace
[22:39] <Sysi> sometimes help is fast too :D
[22:46] <knome> :P