[00:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you know what dbus does then you about know what qt's signals and slots system does ;)
[00:00] <shadeslayer> no idea on dbus too :P
[00:00] <apachelogger> well then take a look at the intro to signal and slots
[00:01] <lex79> apachelogger: I meant, the taskmanager in the panel with only icons is nice, what is it?
[00:01] <apachelogger> lex79: default in 4.5 ;)
[00:01] <apachelogger> it just goes that way when not enough space is there
[00:01] <lex79> uhm
[00:01] <apachelogger> which is a decent thing to do IMHO
[00:01] <lex79> oh nice :)
[00:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that isnt smooth tasks ? 0_o
[00:03] <apachelogger> nope
[00:03] <apachelogger> that is the default
[00:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm... no text? just icons?
[00:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if not enough space is available
[00:04] <shadeslayer> ahh right :)
[00:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pokey :_
[00:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you tell me if bug 221979 is still a a problem?
[00:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not use mingw
[00:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okies :)
[00:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can always try or ask in the bug report ;)
[00:45] <apachelogger> 493 words on why one would want to engage in openinnovation oh my
[00:45]  * apachelogger seems to be very communicative today ^^
[00:46] <ScottK> If I "zoom out" on my plasma desktop, how do I zoom back in?
[00:46] <lex79> apachelogger: ktorrent recommends krosspython is too generous for modax, he would settle on Suggests. Fine for you? if so, we can sync the next release
[00:48] <apachelogger> yes, no, maybe
[00:48] <apachelogger> thing is, I think it is recommends because we install recommends and without recommends the scripting stuff will essentially appear broken to the user
[00:49] <apachelogger> and since we do not want the user to think it is broken it needs to be installed by default, which means it needs to be recommends ;)
[00:49] <lex79> well we keep in merge so
[00:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: depending on your version you possibly dont ;)
[00:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: 4.4.2
[00:50] <apachelogger> that might be the broken version indeed
[00:51] <apachelogger> lex79: supposedly, though one could argue with upstream that they should make the scripts not fall apart and generate useful errors ... which then again leads to the problem that KDE does not have a framework for notifing the user of missing components in a distribution specific manner, so...
[00:51] <shadeslayer> good night everyone :)
[00:52] <lex79> so we keep in 
[00:52] <lex79> recommends and bye bye sync :)
[00:57]  * apachelogger doesnt like syncs anyway
[00:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: A related note is that aiui, upstream doesn't have a way to express run time dependencies, just build time requirements.
[00:58] <apachelogger> the script is broken, so they waste time on our archive admin's schedule ^^
[00:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: I imagine expressing runtime deps properly is a bit of a difficult thing anyway
[01:00] <apachelogger> also since you have that whole recommendation and suggests stuff all over again
[01:00] <apachelogger> like ktorrent does not depend on krosspython at runtime, it is only necessary to bring ktorrent to its full potential
[01:00] <apachelogger> and then there is stuff where you would need less than that
[01:01] <apachelogger> like you have Kile and kile supports every browser and pdf viewer on this planet
[01:01] <apachelogger> so what kile would probably need to do is have a list of preferred browser and pdf viewers ordered by kile wanting to use them...
[01:02] <apachelogger> etc. etc. :/
[01:03] <apachelogger> http://www-935.ibm.com/services/in/index.wss/multipage/igs/executivetech/x1022134/1?cntxt=x1022138
[01:03] <apachelogger> very interesting read
[03:34] <jefferai> shadeslayer_: Heads-up...ISP told me that they're going to be doing network maintenance between 12 and 5am my time (it's 10:35 right now) so the connection may cut out
[09:44] <Riddell> another sunny day
[09:46] <Nightrose> \o/
[09:46] <a|wen> sadly not, here it's all cloudy
[10:05] <Nightrose> Riddell: your dot editors subscription was just disabled due to  Excessive or fatal bounces.
[10:07] <ghostcube> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/16/2233230/USPTO-Lets-Amazon-Patent-the-Social-Networking-System?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[10:07] <ghostcube> t3h bad
[10:07] <ghostcube> o.O
[10:09] <Riddell> Nightrose: mm, I've been getting a few of those, not sure why
[10:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: Our system has detected an unusual rate of 550-5.7.1 unsolicited mail
[10:09] <Nightrose>    originating from your IP address. To protect our 550-5.7.1 users from spam,
[10:09] <Nightrose>    mail sent from your IP address has been blocked.
[10:10] <Riddell> hum
[10:11] <Riddell> Nightrose: that's in the bounce?
[10:11] <Nightrose> that was in the email i got yes
[10:28] <a|wen> is anyone working on k3b beta4 in maverick ... and do we want to try and get it into lucid-updates?
[10:45] <Riddell> a|wen: I doubt it'll get into -updates, I expect there's too many changes
[10:45] <Riddell> but do check that for us
[10:46] <a|wen> Riddell: the changelog for rc3 looked bugfix-only to me; and according to the email rc4 should be bugfix-only as well
[10:48] <Riddell> -updates is stricter than "bugfix" though usually, it's specific verifiable bugs
[10:49] <ScottK> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50476411/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.4.85-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:51] <a|wen> Riddell: upgrading to a newer pre-release has happened before, but k3b being in main, I suppose this is a bit stricter ... better to try and get it into -backports?
[10:52] <Riddell> a|wen: well look at the diff to determine.  does it look like something that can be manually verified?
[11:24] <valorie> shadeslayer_: I was going to add the ppa and try to install the kopete gcall thing, but I don't see it here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages
[11:25] <valorie> the only kopete package there is a facebook plugin
[11:59] <a|wen> Riddell: we'd be talking 20+ bugs to verify; so i guess backports would be the way to go then
[12:01] <Riddell> that's what I thought
[12:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know what part of the stack is causing bug 586497 ?  reading the bug it's not clear if anyone knows if it's caused by packagekit or apt or what
[12:04] <a|wen> are we still using the debian-only bzr branch in kubuntu-members for k3b packaging?
[12:07] <Riddell> a|wen: since you're packagekit k3b today nobody can answer that except you :)
[12:08] <Riddell> tsk, packagekit on the mind
[12:08] <Riddell> a|wen: since you're packaging k3b today nobody can answer that except you
[12:08] <a|wen> heh, true
[12:09] <mfraz74> is this the rc4 of K3B?
[12:10] <Riddell> yes
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kpackagekit, it turns out
[12:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh really?
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: as silly as it sounds, yeah
[12:22] <Riddell> it does have an "Automaticly Install: Security Updates" option but I thought that was just something passed through to packagekit
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> nope :(
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> it takes care of the automaticness via the kpackagekit daemon/trayicon thingy
[12:23] <Riddell> hum
[12:24] <Riddell> so we need to patch that bit out?
[13:19]  * a|wen goes filing a bug against k3b beta4 for an error making it fail to compile
[13:22] <txwikinger> The discussion on the MOTU lists explains very much why I have no real motivation to become a MOTU :(
[13:28] <a|wen> txwikinger: becoming a MOTU will give you access to help out with all the KDE/Qt programs in universe ... (does kubuntu-dev give access to this?)
[13:29] <txwikinger> Well.. IMHO there is a general problem of perception of what it means to get access
[13:30] <txwikinger> beside it shows how people do not understand that some attitudes show an non-welcoming way
[13:30] <txwikinger> When you are a volunteer you don't have to take it, you can just do something else
[13:31] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: let's stand for to Ubuntu Contributing Developer, then wait some time, keep working and stand for to MOTU
[13:31] <txwikinger> ari-tczew: No idea what that has to do with my concerns
[13:32] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: next DMB meeting is 22th June, now let's create an application for UUC
[13:33] <ari-tczew> in future you'll have a easier way for MOTU
[13:34] <txwikinger> ari-tczew: 1) I do not want to be MOTU - not because I could not, but because I disagree with the attitude of the vocal minority, 2) I have no idea what UUC is, or why I would want to be one
[13:34] <txwikinger> MOTU is not a batch that needs to be achieved to have something to show off
[13:35] <a|wen> txwikinger: well, that is exactly the problem, yes ... in general anyone can help to all parts of ubuntu, you just need a sponsor, so becoming a MOTU is just making things simpler for yourself (and release some time with your regular sponsors to do other needed work)
[13:36] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: I don't understand, so what's the problem? do you want to be MOTU? no? if no, we have no reason to talk about it
[13:36] <ari-tczew> UUC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#ContribDev
[13:37] <txwikinger> ari-tczew: As I said, I have no real motivation to become one
[13:38] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: do you expect that we will encourage you to join MOTU?
[13:39] <txwikinger> ari-tczew: sorry, but you totally misunderstand my concerns
[13:39] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: That's right.
[13:39] <ari-tczew> but I would help
[13:40] <txwikinger> ari-tczew: Are you a MOTU? Do you have influence on the MOTUs that do not understand the problem?
[13:41] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: no, I'm not in MOTU. I'm in the half way to become as developer.
[13:42] <ari-tczew> txwikinger: my problem with communication here is language barrier, so maybe this is a reason why I don't understand your problem
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I have a sneaking suspicion that bug 589058 may be caused by the global menubar stuff
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> oh, but that's lucid. hrm
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> agateau: un-ping ;)
[14:05] <agateau> JontheEchidna: could it be someone running the une ppa?
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ah, looks like they're using Qt 4.7 from our KDE 4.5 ppa
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> or at least somebody running maverick is seeing the same issue
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> hmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/589058/comments/8
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> looks like he's trying to run run the maverick package in lucid :s
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> bah, that bug is a mess
[14:07] <agateau> JontheEchidna: FTR, the une ppa contains a package for qt 4.7, based on the KDE 4.5 ppa, but the version of the package has "appmenu" in it
[14:07] <agateau> :)
[14:18]  * Riddell gets exited at the existance of http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/
[14:18] <txwikinger> looks good Riddell
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> :D
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> Feature tour has some broken links: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour#feature-tour-apps-games
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> well, broken URIs to images
[14:21] <txwikinger> where?
[14:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I pointed that out to ofir, I expect he knows anyway
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, cool
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger: the thumbnails below the huge images
[14:23] <agateau> Riddell: speaking of feature tour,
[14:23] <agateau> Riddell: have you seen this: http://blog.lynxworks.eu/20100616/fleshing-out-an-idea ?
[14:24] <agateau> To me it screams either "create a welcome plasmoid" or "add a web view plasmoid with welcoming content"
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> We could expand the survey plasmoid to be this, perhaps
[14:24] <txwikinger> oh yeah I se
[14:25] <txwikinger> see
[14:25] <Riddell> as JontheEchidna says
[14:25] <Riddell> was my thought too
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> Heh, I always like Scott Ritchie's blogs: http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/225
[14:25] <agateau> is the survey plasmoid based on html?
[14:25] <Riddell> yes
[14:25] <Riddell> it just points at nixternal's server
[14:26] <agateau> interesting
[14:26] <agateau> I was thinking about shiping the content rather than pointing out though
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> either would be an option, I would think. We'd just have to make the plasmoid a bit more sophisticated
[14:27] <agateau> staging.w.k.o is very nice btw
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> right now it's iirc just a qwebview, and that's it
[14:28] <agateau> I just find the light bubble a bit weird, especially since it's not supposed to have a shadow like that if it's turned on
[14:28] <apparle> anyone good with quassel here, I need help
[14:28] <agateau> JontheEchidna: could be enough, it just needs to be pointed to some local content with shiny js :)
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> with a link to the survey, and such :)
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> but that way, we don't have to rely on internet-have for the welcome bits
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> I like it
[14:29] <agateau> yes
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> agateau: did you get the chance to play around with kapti c++? :D
[14:30] <agateau> not yet :/
[14:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: sorry
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> no worries
[14:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I am not sure where to go with this though
[14:31] <agateau> JontheEchidna: on one hand I'd like to get it finished, as I think it can be useful, especially with libqapt
[14:31] <agateau> JontheEchidna: on the other hand, I don't have the time to do it and would like to avoid competing with kpk
[14:32] <Riddell> agateau: tsk, test suite still fails on libdbusmenu-qt 0.3.5
[14:32] <agateau> Riddell: can't be
[14:33] <agateau> Riddell: care to share the ouput?
[14:33] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/txnryB3j
[14:33] <Riddell> "dbusmenuexportertest: cannot connect to X server " that's it
[14:34] <agateau> Riddell: ah ok, known problem
[14:34] <Riddell> which is probably no change from earlier versions, I withdraw my tsk
[14:34] <agateau> Riddell: which I should fix
[14:34] <agateau> nevertheless
[14:38] <Riddell> agateau: does plasma-widget-menubar depend on the latest libdbusmenu-qt to build or is it not important?
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: it should build without the latest dbusmenu-qt
[14:38] <agateau> it depends on 0.3.3 iirc
[14:40] <apparle> I had given the message "/msg nickserv set password <mypass>" and I got the message on the screen, "your password is set to <mypass>", and now it is visible to everyone, so how to delete it. Quassel keeps logs so it is visible even after I exit and come back
[14:41] <jussi> apparle: are you sure its visible to all?
[14:41] <apparle> jussi: visible to all as in, whoever uses my computer
[14:41] <jussi> apparle: if they have access to your IRC account?
[14:41] <jussi> o.O
[14:42] <jussi> apparle: however, this question is really for #kubuntu or #quassel
[14:42]  * jussi disappears
[14:42] <apparle> jussi: I know, but didn't get help on kubuntu, and I am desperate , sorry
[14:43]  * jussi points to #quassel and really goes
[14:44] <apparle> trying on #quassel :)
[14:47] <Riddell> agateau: if I add two menubar applets to plasma the first one gets the menu titles but the menus themselves are empty
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: interesting, I would have expected the 2nd one to not do anything and the 1st one to be complete
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: are you running with todays qt patch?
[14:48] <Riddell> agateau: no just the new libdbusmenu-qt and plasma-widget-menubar running
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: that could be the reason I think
[14:49] <Riddell> ok, qt next up
[14:58] <agateau> JontheEchidna: stupid question, what is the goal of libqapt? I mean, is there already an application using it or going to use it?
[14:58] <agateau> (beside kapti :))
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopkx2268-jpg.jpg
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> (top sekrit) ;)
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> I'm trying to make a package manager as powerful as Synaptic, but less of a usability nightmare
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> ...plus Qt/KDE
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> There's also qapt-patch inside the libqapt source, a replacement for the install-package batch installer
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> *qapt-batch
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> I just began writing that sidebar, which is why its blank ;)
[15:01] <apparle> JontheEchidna: you are working on libqapt?
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> I'm the libqapt guy, yes
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopds2268-jpg.jpg <-another pic ^.^
[15:02] <ulysses> Is it open for translation?:)
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopmg2268-jpg.jpg
[15:03] <apparle> JontheEchidna: so you are working on frontend for it also?
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: I've not yet committed it to kde playground yet
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> apparle: those screenshots are a frontend using that library, yes
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> Once I get the frontend a bit more useful, I'll probably blog
[15:04] <apparle> JontheEchidna: we need to talk :)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> but right now you can only mark things for install, and the "details" and "installed files" tabs are the only ones that work
[15:04] <apparle> JontheEchidna: I am starting with shaman2 GUI and thought I could help you test libqapt
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> and as you can see from the third screenie, you can actually apply changes ;)
[15:04] <ulysses> That's enough:)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> apparle: ah, did you see the qapt backend in svn?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> *you can't actually apply changes
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> (big difference) ;)
[15:05] <apparle> JontheEchidna: I was wondering where I could find the dev of libqapt and was about to search :P
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> apparle: playgrounds/libs/libqapt
[15:06] <apparle> JontheEchidna: devs meant developers :)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> ah, right :)
[15:06] <apparle> JontheEchidna: so what is the conditions of libqapt and how can I use it with shaman, I mean how to install it
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> check out playground/libs/libqapt from kde svn, install libept-dev (a dependency), make libqapt, and install it
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> then shaman should pick up that you have qapt when you run cmake
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> The qapt shaman backend is still a bit buggy though
[15:10] <apparle> JontheEchidna: no problem. I'll do onething, I'll start off making the GUI with apt-pkg, and once it stabilzes, I'll start testing it with qapt
[15:10] <apparle> JontheEchidna: so the GUI you are using, is it on top of shaman or directly qapt?
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> apparle: the GUI I just showed screenshots of is completely custom, not related to shaman at all
[15:11] <apparle> JontheEchidna: no I meant, have you built it on top of libshaman or directly qapt
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> Directly on qapt
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> no shaman stuff at all ;)
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> here's my flowchart I showed at UDS: http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/qapt_diagram.png
[15:13] <apparle> JontheEchidna: nice 
[15:13] <apparle> JontheEchidna: ok, you continue with qapt, and I'll get back to you once libshaman is a little stabilized. 
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> boring slideshow I showed: http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/qapt.odp
[15:14] <apparle> JontheEchidna: drf told me that two people are working, who else is with you
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> There was one guy that was working on an Apt backend for shaman that uses libapt-pkg directly.  Not seen much of him though
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> dplacilo, or something
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> that might be who he's talking about
[15:17] <dantti> JontheEchidna: thanks for the fixes :D I forgot to remove the ADEPT messages :P
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> dantti: you're welcome
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Please fix the build system though, so I can build libqapt again :P
[15:18] <dantti> k
[15:22] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok, I am in an irc meeting right now, will read the log back
[15:37] <steveire> What's the policy on backporting patches to kdepim from trunk to 10.04?
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> steveire: Can't have any string changes or new features, and must be tested for regressions, otherwise as long as they fix a bug they're good.
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> (we do the testing for regressions)
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> got a patch in mind?
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: how is july 7th for you for kubuntu tutorials day?  1800-2300UTC
[15:45] <apparle> guys why don't I have the KDEDIR variable, and what to set it to?
[15:46] <steveire> JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?r1=1129174&r2=1129173&pathrev=1129174 http://dpaste.com/208462/
[15:46] <steveire> In an email thread with a Linux-Magazin journalist.
[15:46] <steveire> I'd like to tell him it will be in an update to his distro.
[15:46] <steveire> I haven't tested the patch myself though
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> Is there a test case on how to reproduce the issue? I never saw it (though I wasn't using akonadi for addresses)
[15:49] <steveire> I don't know. I only have trunk atm. 10.04 is on another computer.
[15:49] <steveire> kdepim trunk that is..
[15:51] <Riddell> txwikinger: you offered to do a bugs talk at tutorials day?
[15:52] <txwikinger> Riddell: I can if you want me to
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> To get it in, a Kubuntu dev will have to: -File a bug describing the issue, -Include a testcase, -Upload the package with the fix to lucid-proposed, -Call for testing within the bug, -Users report whether or not the bug is present following the test case
[15:52] <Riddell> txwikinger: how's wed july 7th 22:00UTC ?
[15:53] <txwikinger> Riddell: Yes.. sound good.. That time I am just home 
[15:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Only the uploading part of that needs to be done by a kubuntu-dev.
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Well, we could do the other things if we wanted to be extra nice ;)
[15:59] <ScottK> Sure.
[15:59] <ScottK> No extra niceness until after automatic updates are fixed.
[16:06] <Riddell> steveire: is there a bug report in bugs.kde.org for this?
[16:12] <steveire> I'll try to find out
[16:14] <Riddell> all welcome alf__ who's looking at qt embedded packaging
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> hi
[16:34] <steveire> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203902
[16:34] <apparle> why isn't KDEDIRS or KDEDIR set in kubuntu? what should I set it to?
[16:35] <steveire> It might be reproducible with more than just kolab though.
[16:36] <Riddell> steveire: it's a bug reported by Sabine, why didn't you says so?  that's suddently much more important :)
[16:37] <steveire> :)
[16:41] <Riddell> steveire: hmm, I don't get any address completion using KDE 4.5 beta 2 and kdepim 4.4.4
[16:41] <dantti> JontheEchidna: do you think embedding the debconfgui in some application has any good? because if it was a KDialog the continue button could be the default one
[16:43] <Riddell> steveire: infact if I click "Select" on a new mail it doesn't list anything from my address book
[16:44] <apparle> oh comeon guys, someone must be knowing this. I have a plugin installed in /usr/local, but KServiceTypeTrader is not able to find it?
[16:45] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:46] <lex79> Riddell: address completion works here
[16:46] <Riddell> apparle: try adding /usr/local to /etc/kde4rc
[16:47] <steveire> tokoe says it works for him too.
[16:49] <Riddell> steveire: does it need akonadi strigi integration turned on?
[16:50] <Riddell> s/akonadi/nepomuk/
[16:51] <steveire> Strigi is not needed , not
[16:53] <apparle> Riddell: do you mean I should I add it Prefixes, seperated by a :?
[16:53] <Riddell> apparle: yes
[16:54] <apparle> Riddell: still no use
[16:54] <apparle> Riddell: I ran kbuildsyscoca4 after that
[16:55] <apparle> Riddell: just for confirmation, kde4rc has this line now "prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/:/usr/local/"
[17:03] <apparle> Riddell: it seems setting "KDEDIRS=/usr/local:/usr" does the job, but is that correct way. I mean would it mess anything else?
[17:03] <Riddell> apparle: if it works then it's correct :)
[17:04] <apparle> but KDEDIRS is the default variable for KDE right, so why isn't it set in kubuntu?
[17:07] <Riddell> apparle: environment variables tend to be only used if you want to override what the distro sets, us distro people compile it in
[17:08] <apparle> Riddell: ok
[17:22] <Riddell> steveire: well I'll need to install lucid to test this, a job for tomorrow
[17:35] <steveire> Ok.
[17:35] <steveire> I should upgrade to that.
[17:35] <steveire> I think I'm still using 9.04 on my workstation
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> dantti: There could be a DebconfGui class and then a DebconfGuiDialog maybe
[17:43] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: sure no problem :)
[17:43] <shadeslayer_> 1800 UTC :)
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> dantti: since DebconfGui already handles forward/backwards, you could probably just embed it in a buttonless KDialog, and that'd be the whole class
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> that way we could get the flexibility to embed if we wanted, but also give the convenience of just creating a kdialog
[17:52] <shadeslayer> btw is anyone onto the k3b packaging yet?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ill take it up tomorrow if no one wants to do it today :)
[17:57] <oxymoron> Hi, may I just ask here because nobody answer anywhere else. Is there any IM-client that support firewire cams?
[18:08] <apparle> oxymoron: I don't think the question is IM client, but it must be driver for that cam. But can't say... never used cams
[18:13] <ghostcube> o/
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: hey :)
[18:14] <ghostcube> hi shadeslayer :)
[18:14]  * shadeslayer is aching left right and center 
[18:30] <shadeslayer> maco: you didnt sponsor my package :(
[18:30] <shadeslayer> any problems?
[18:45] <neversfelde> kubuntu plymouth nvidia mess is back :)
[18:45] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: eh?
[18:45]  * shadeslayer is booting plymouth+nvidia
[18:45] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: the plymouth theme is broken again
[18:46] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: with the latest updates?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> oh just remembered i use a custom boot parameter :)
[18:47] <shadeslayer> that way plymouth uses the default drivers during boot and switches to nvidia
[18:47] <shadeslayer> after the boot part is done :)
[18:47] <lex79> Riddell: ^ you uploaded kds without my fix for nvidia plymouth which is in lucid-updates
[18:47] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: want to fix your boot screen ? :P
[18:48] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: the bootscreen is a minor problem with my maverick installation :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:57] <txwikinger> talking about plymouth.. I installed kubuntu on my netbook from the kubuntu CD and the splash is ubuntu
[18:57] <txwikinger> wenn I shutdown it is kubuntu
[18:57] <KRF> shadeslayer, does "fix" mean: show the boot screen at a proper resolution?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> KRF: yep
[18:57] <txwikinger> and also.. in the middle of loading the display changes resolution but the splash does not
[18:58] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: did you see the new bug day announcement?
[18:58] <ScottK> txwikinger: Lucid or Maverick?
[18:58] <KRF> glad to hear there's work going on ;)
[18:58] <txwikinger> ScottK: lucid
[18:58] <ScottK> Weird.
[18:58] <KRF> when starting people tend to tell me "is that normal?"
[18:58] <ScottK> Are you sure you have the final?
[18:58] <KRF> when booting*
[18:58] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: bug day announcement?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: bug hug day thingy
[18:59] <txwikinger> when was that announcement?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: Announcing the Next Ubuntu Bug Day! - Thursday 17th June 2010
[18:59] <shadeslayer> its today 0_o
[18:59] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: 2 days ago
[18:59] <Quintasan> omg
[18:59] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: yes 
[18:59] <Quintasan> 4.5 is soooo shiny
[18:59] <Quintasan> <3
[19:00] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: The next KDE package bug hug day will be on Monday
[19:00]  * shadeslayer gives Quintasan some sun glasses 
[19:00] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: whee!
[19:00] <txwikinger> if you have suggestions for a packages I am open for it
[19:00] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hmm... will come up with some tomorrow....
[19:00] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: ok
[19:01] <shadeslayer> have to trave about 50 kms for training,so will sleep early today :P
[19:01] <maco> shadeslayer: i fell asleep
[19:01] <shadeslayer> maco: ah ok :)
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lfarone asked me to file a bug :P
[19:02] <odla> the brightness OSD that kubuntu uses in 10.04 ... has that gone upstream for KDE 4.5 or was that cherry picked from 4.5?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> odla: we haz OSD in maverick :)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> for brightness and sound :)
[19:03] <odla> shadeslayer: it's also in 10.04 ... what i am wondering is where it comes off or if it's an ubuntu only patch 
[19:03] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[19:03] <shadeslayer> lex79: ^^
[19:04] <shadeslayer> i think it went upstream
[19:04] <ScottK> odla: For 10.04 it's an Ubuntu patch.
[19:04]  * txwikinger thought the osd was bios not kubuntu
[19:05] <ScottK> It did get upstream for 4.5.
[19:05] <odla> ScottK: do know if it's in kde 4.5?
[19:05] <odla> ok thanks
[19:05] <Quintasan> ははは
[19:05] <Quintasan> omg
[19:05] <Quintasan> and Kimpanel works too!
[19:06]  * shadeslayer hugs jussi
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you only upgraded now?
[19:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yeah
[19:07] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[19:07] <Quintasan> I had no time before to do this
[19:07] <jussi> I dunno, these random facebook peoples...
[19:07] <shadeslayer> jussi: Rohan Garg == Me :D
[19:07] <jussi> shadeslayer: I know...
[19:08] <jussi> was a joke...
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ah ok ... :P
[19:08]  * shadeslayer isnt good with those
[19:08] <txwikinger> why do we use facebook again?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: to further th ubuntu cause? :P
[19:09] <shadeslayer> *the
[19:09] <txwikinger> ah.. right.. certainly not because of the openness of facebook :p
[19:21] <neversfelde> mhh, Debian made minitube depend on phonon-backend-gstreamer
[19:21] <neversfelde> it works perfectly with phonon-backend-xine
[19:21] <neversfelde> :(
[19:32] <shadeslayer> maco: bug 595633  :)
[19:57] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: why you don't ask for merging on #ubuntu-motu?
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: read the backlog :)
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: also i gave maco all the info yesterday but she fell asleep :P
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ( all this in #ubuntu-motu )
[19:58] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: heh I don't have time and I'm going out
[19:58] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: :P
[19:58]  * shadeslayer gets back to XKCD
[19:59] <maco> shadeslayer: ill do it this evening after school
[19:59] <shadeslayer> maco: http://www.xkcd.com/754/ ( something we talked about yesterday :P )
[20:00] <shadeslayer> maco: sure :)
[20:00]  * shadeslayer wonders if maco authors xkcd :P
[20:01] <maco> shadeslayer: you pointed it out yesterday didnt you
[20:01] <shadeslayer> maco: uh no...
[20:01] <shadeslayer> maco: i only opened xkcd now :P
[20:02] <maco> oh
[20:02] <maco> musta been nigelb
[20:02] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[20:28] <neversfelde> we should remove exposure blending from the menu, it is useless, because it only displays a warning, that hugin is not installed
[20:28] <neversfelde> as far as I remeber I did this for Lucid, now it is back, is there a reason for this?
[22:01] <a|wen> Anyone around who can sponsor a new version of k3b? it's in bzr lp:~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu/
[22:03] <ScottK> a|wen: I'm about to head out for the evening.  If no one gets it, ping me tomorrow.
[22:06] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... thanks in advance; i'll ping you if no one else comes around to it
[22:15] <shadeslayer_> a|wen: aww... i was going to do it :P
[22:15] <shadeslayer_> ( packaging k3b :D )
[22:15] <ScottK> You snooze, you lose.
[22:16] <Mamarok> is plasma-desktop taking up 100% RAM in 4.5.85 and losing the desktop widgets and wallpaper a known issue?
[22:16] <shadeslayer_> lol :P
[22:16] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: no
[22:16] <shadeslayer_> 100 pc RAM... first for plasma 
[22:16] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: heh, sorry ... you can help preparing a backport for lucid, after it has been in maverick a little while ;)
[22:16] <shadeslayer_> only 35 MB here :)
[22:16] <shadeslayer_> a|wen: hehe :P
[22:17] <shadeslayer_> rekonq takes about 15 mins to build nowadays :P
[22:17] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: it starts OK, and then grabs more and more, making all the system irresponsive, I already had to kill it several times
[22:17] <shadeslayer_> up from 5 mins earlier
[22:17] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: it seems you have a really bad memory leak somewhere
[22:17] <Mamarok> and since my system runs 24/24, maybe only few people will see that
[22:18] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I know where, not just somewhere
[22:18] <shadeslayer_> ahh.. ive rebooted thrice in about 4 hours
[22:18] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: where?
[22:18] <Mamarok> what about the widgets and wallpaper reset when restarting KDE?
[22:18] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: well, obviously plasma
[22:18] <Mamarok> I wouldn't look too far away
[22:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: probably cache problem... try kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental for that
[22:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: try letting it run for several hours
[22:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: how do you kill plasma?
[22:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: already did, no change
[22:19] <shadeslayer_> kquitapp or killall ?
[22:19] <Mamarok> killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
[22:19] <shadeslayer_> thats your problem :)
[22:19] <Mamarok> it should not loose the widgets, there is a config file for that
[22:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: use kquitapp4 plasma-desktop
[22:20] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: but it doesnt get written properly
[22:20] <shadeslayer_> try with kquitapp4 
[22:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: it looses those even when restarting KDE regularily
[22:20] <Mamarok> so it is clearly not my fault
[22:20] <shadeslayer_> hmm... not sure about that then 
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: whats the vote at now? ( regarding KC )
[22:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: patience :)
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: :P
[22:21] <Mamarok> that is not supposed to be told before the end
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hehe :)
[22:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: I don't think it's visible until the end (to anyone)
[22:21] <Mamarok> especially not if using Condorcet
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: yeah Riddell mentioned that
[22:22] <Mamarok> good
[22:23] <ScottK> CIVS is a pretty well considered implementation.  I'm glad we're using it.