[03:39] jono, ping-a-ling-ling [05:34] JFo: around? [07:31] good morning all [07:34] goooooood morning dpm :) [07:34] hey ddecator :) [07:35] i really should be more active in this channel.. [07:52] good morning [07:52] mornin' dholbach [07:52] hi ddecator [07:52] morning dholbach [07:52] hola dpm [09:10] morning ddecator, dpm, dholbach [09:33] dpm: still crying? :D [09:34] gah, missed him [09:37] aloha [09:43] aloha czajkowski :) [09:43] having a good morning so far? [09:43] sister missed her flight to rome by 2 mins as they'd closed gates as plane was full, and she was still early, not a happy camper [09:44] nigelb: up since 4:30 [09:44] found free wifi in her apt [09:48] czajkowski: ouch for your sister and good for ya with the free wifi [09:49] czajkowski: she caught a later flight or just gave up the trip? [09:50] nope flying out tomorrow [09:50] she is obsessed with rome [09:52] heh [09:53] hola ara, hey czajkowski and nigelb [09:53] dholbach: ello [09:53] nigelb: she goes about 3-4 times a year [09:53] i suspect there is some cute italian waiter over there she has her eye on [09:53] czajkowski: whoa...hahaha! [09:54] argh hungry... no foor for at least 45 mins :( [09:54] food even [09:54] * nigelb just had a good lunch [09:58] nigelb: what did you have? [09:58] jussi: chilly chicken and rice :) [09:59] cold chicken and rice? [09:59] :P [09:59] chilli ;) [10:00] mmmm chilli chicken is what I usually order in a new indian restaurant as the reference dish [10:00] om nom nom [10:00] http://drool.popey.com/ [10:00] etc [10:00] jussi: oh yeah, chilli :) [10:02] if anybody wonders where dpm went: his power and internet went away but he'll be back soon [10:03] call his mobile if you need his help [10:03] I don't have a camera or else I could have taken a pic [10:23] back from electrical failure... [10:24] dpm: welcome back [10:25] morning czajkowski, thanks :) [10:28] welcome back dpm [10:31] thanks dholbach :) [11:37] dpm: remember when we talked about i18n'ing the daily builds docs - I'll send a mail about that to ubuntu-translators@lists.u.c in a bit, is that OK? [11:38] sure! [11:38] super [11:43] dpm: sent [11:44] my first spec done! [11:44] yoooohooooooo [11:59] my second spec done! [11:59] ¡¡¡¡yoooohooooooo!!!! [12:13] I'd appreciate if you could all RT http://identi.ca/notice/36650090 and http://twitter.com/dholbach/status/16379489299 [12:13] it'd be nice to get as much feedback as possible [12:13] * dholbach adds to UWN [12:26] ara: gracias [12:26] dholbach, np :-) [12:27] dholbach, I don't have that many followers :-( it would be better if you could make lady gaga retweet it [12:28] ara: good idea, I'll talk to a friend who works at Universal - I'm sure he can wangle it [12:57] AlanBell: ping [13:00] hi jussi [13:00] AlanBell: got a quick vtiger question if youve a min? [13:00] sure [13:01] I have a list of leads. is there someway I can pull a list of their email addresses in a sane sort of format? (comma or space separated?) [13:11] * AlanBell returns with a cuppa [13:11] jussi: from the leads page there is an export leads button (sheet of paper with green splodge on it) [13:11] that does csv exports [13:12] aah, nice [13:12] you can also create filters with just certain columns showing, not sure how to export these in a sane format off the top of my head [13:21] AlanBell: yeah, I seem to have something at least :) thanks! [13:34] aloha [13:34] czajkowski: manage to get the car sorted? [13:34] my day of hell [13:34] popey: aye reprogrammed the key [13:34] but missed the interview [13:34] :( [13:35] czajkowski: *hug* [13:40] czajkowski: seen the tweets! hugs from me too. What a day [14:05] nigelb, I'm here now [14:06] JFo: mind a PM? [14:06] works for me :) [14:07] I'd like to hear the thoughts of folks here on on something [14:07] I've often noticed that unless someone actually takes an interest in a bug to get it fixed etc, I find that a lot of fixes don't get through [14:08] Is it just my feeling or have you folks felt the same? ^ [14:09] not just you .. to fix a bug sometimes the upstream must be interested or a huge crash or someone must poke really hard! ;) [14:10] no I mean cases where even the fix is there [14:10] stuff like SRU [14:10] nigelb: half my work on papercuts is talking to upstream/waiting for them to look at a bug and bah :( [14:10] vish: I know, thats the tough part [14:10] yeah , i was mentioning the bugs *with* patches [14:10] but I'm talking about cases were *we* are slow to act unless its something someone is interested [14:11] nigelb: SRU is nearly the same , if it aint a huge crasher or a regression it gets little attention unless someone is interested [14:12] so, its not just me. I have to poke someone to get a discussion on improving this situation [14:12] gah, I wish my mails to -devel were not moderated [14:13] nigelb: its not an unknown thing, its just shortage of sufficient hands [14:13] I dunno, it would be nice to see if someone has any thoughts regarding this [14:16] nigelb, it could be similar to the kernel team [14:16] there may just be not enough bandwidth [14:17] JFo: I think its worth a talk at next uds. Perhaps brainstorming on what else we could to improve this situation. dholbach, thoughts? [14:17] it is a tough thing [14:18] I think that process may help, but it will still probably be an issue [14:18] there is a BP we are working on to improve upstream [14:18] * dholbach hugs czajkowski too, just read scroll back [14:18] by looking at how we process bugs with patches [14:18] nigelb: about what? [14:18] for example - for sru, we can have things like peer review of sru, etc [14:19] dholbach: improving the sitation where things move only when "somone from inside gets it moving" [14:19] like someone new submits an sru proposal, it sometimes just stays and not reviewed [14:19] I'm wondering if we should think of those situations and document it [14:20] even revu for that matter tends to be a bit slow [14:20] blackZ raised something similar on debian-mentors that got me thinking about ubuntu [14:21] nigelb: the solution has always been the same : trying to get more people involved. *not* trying to discourage you , but all such discussions always end up with here ;) [14:21] vish: I'm thinking the same, but I'm sure someone who's more optimistic than us can think of something ;) [14:21] nigelb: you mean sponsoring does not work? [14:22] nigelb: heck i have an SRU waiting for it to be sponsored for more than a month, ;p [14:22] dholbach: things apart from sponsoring not working - sru, revu, etc [14:22] sponsoring has become awesome now after archive reorganization I think [14:23] revu is definitely a problem [14:23] sru should be brought up on ubuntu-devel@ or something, if it's slow [14:23] I think it's partly because we have no dedicated release manager right now [14:23] or something [14:23] slangasek quit? ;) [14:29] ok, so its not just me [14:33] nigelb: he works on some other interesting bits and pieces now [14:40] dholbach: aha :) [15:10] dholbach, what's the link the blog post you added :-) thanks as well!! [15:11] akgraner: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=691 :) [15:11] Thanks a bunch :-) [15:28] jcastro: poke [15:29] yo [15:29] jcastro: I was talking earlier about slowness in everything except sponsoring - do you have any additional thoughts? (you'll have read a bit of scrollback) [15:30] oh, lemme read up [15:30] yeah [15:31] I agree with vish, insufficient hands [15:31] unfortunately bobbo's don't grow on trees. :( [15:31] heh, I was thinking we had a peer network to "help" thngs like sru or revu [15:31] we do, it's just always overworked [15:32] no, I mean before it goes to the overworked sru team, perhaps, have another peer review it [15:32] like a prereview? [15:32] yup [15:32] dunno, I am in general not a fan of adding more stuff on top of something that is slow [15:32] so the low hanging ones without obvious problems can be weeded out [15:32] *with [15:33] which means the ultimate decision makes get a smaller queue which they really need to go through [15:33] but I know the feeling with feeling like you're the only person in the world trying to push that bug forward [15:33] exactly! [15:33] I saw that feeling in a lot of people during patch review [15:33] I've had a fair number of patches going to sru too, but that was always because *I* took an interest in it [15:34] yeah [15:34] If there was noone there, that would have just rotten there - hence the prereview which I'm trying to think of [15:34] its just an idea forming in my head, dunno where it goes [15:34] nod [15:35] think of it this way [15:35] if we had 400 more developers, we'd still have the same problem, it'd just be more and more bugs [15:35] so either way you've got to keep chipping away at it [15:36] ok, maybe not 400, that might solve alot of problems. :p [15:36] hehe [15:36] debian has 1000s and still has athe same problem [15:37] as long as we keep streamlinging the bit that makes it easy for people to fix a bug I think we'll be ok [15:37] its something to do with the process and trust and all sorts of things - like if its someone you know and trust coming to you with a patch - I'm sure you'd try to help [15:37] we're always going to be shorthanded [15:38] true. so its probably just feeling overwhelmed :) [15:38] it's ok, if makes you feel better you should have seen years ago when it was dholbach, ogra, and like 3 other guys all by themselves [15:39] ouch [15:40] actually, you know which ones annoy me the most, are the ones which are fixed upstream and not in ubuntu [15:40] yeah [15:40] do an lp query on fixed upstream but not fixed in ubuntu [15:40] it's great that we have all these buckets of patches now [15:40] makes it so much easier to go and just take a look at a specific lot of them [15:40] actually, that would be a good bucket for next time [15:40] we can even feed them into harvest easily [15:41] jcastro: ooh, I did that once [15:42] nigelb: don't do it now, we're doing a good job with cleansweep I don't want to get depressed, heh [15:43] hahaha [15:43] I didn't do a LP query, I did an api search [15:43] ok ok [15:43] it was depressing, took around 24 hours to run [15:43] what's the # then [15:43] oh [15:43] ok [15:43] eventually I stopped the thing [15:43] good, that gives me 24 hours to mentally prepare [15:44] though, you'd think that /theoretically/ they would be fixed next time we synced with debian and/or the upstream [15:44] Agree there. I saw a lot of low ahanging fruit that were closed in debian, but just not closed in ubuntu [16:20] jcastro: zack just gave me some great feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Intro/PatchesForwarding and I improved a few things [16:20] hey jono [16:21] hey dholbach [16:21] dholbach: next week I am talking to lucas about submittodebian [16:21] jcastro: I had it as a TODO item to talk to him about "when do I send stuff upstream, when do I send to debian" [16:21] dholbach: and how to make that easier [16:21] jcastro: and I <> that snippet in loads of places now [16:22] dholbach: he's been busy all this week so I have a bunch of stuff to talk about with him next week, want to do it together? [16:22] jcastro: awesome - I hope it's going to work out [16:22] jcastro: sure why not, when do you want to do it? [16:22] (I never used submittodebian much.) [16:22] I think soren wrote it initially [16:23] dholbach: depends on when he's around, he'll let me know [16:23] dholbach: did you see the thread on -devel about them grabbing ayatana stuff to put in debian? [16:24] parts of it - I was too busy to follow all of it [16:24] but buxy had a longer chat with me in #debian-ubuntu on OFTC yesterday [16:24] jono: I have two blueprints done now :-D [16:25] jono: do I get a pay raise? [16:26] dholbach: why is the channel of OFTC when both ubuntu and debian are on freenode?? [16:26] czajkowski: debian's not [16:27] jcastro: can I join you both for that? [16:28] I'm writing (or trying to write) something that can take an LP bug number and forward to debian [16:28] dholbach: 998 in #debian on freenode :) [16:28] czajkowski: all official debian channels are on oftc, they just have presence here [16:28] czajkowski: I think that's a forward or something -I dunno [16:28] nigelb: absolutely! [16:29] nigelb: basically, the idea is submittodebian should make it easy to forward a patch to debian [16:29] not just buugs! [16:29] dholbach, nice work! [16:29] jcastro: yep, its a bit clunky now and I'd like to adress that [16:29] nigelb: dholbach ah fair enough so [16:29] dholbach, no :) [16:29] nigelb: I like the way you roll! [16:29] jono: worth a try :) [16:29] haha [16:30] doing your actual work is not worthy of a pay rise :P [16:30] dholbach: I think if you spread publicity of severth fifth you might have a chance ;) [16:30] brb, grabbing a coffee [16:30] *severed [16:30] jcastro: heh :) [16:30] nigelb, lol [16:31] jono: its not what he's expected to do, so might be worth it :D [16:33] nigelb: Shouldn't we all be getting pay rises then? I'm going to start paying popey 200% more than normal for his good work. [16:33] \o/ [16:34] doctormo: about time I got a pay rise then :P [16:34] anyways, its 9 pm, I should get off work [16:34] catch you all tomorrow [16:34] g'nite [16:36] hey popey [16:36] nite nigelb [16:36] popey: has elmo responded to you wrt. videos? [16:36] popey: he hasn't responded to me yet I'm afraid [16:37] newp [16:38] he's afk today [16:58] <--- lunching [17:01] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow! :) [17:02] bye dholbach [17:03] bye guys [17:20] ok, done with spamming with blueprints, time to call it a day. See you tomorrow everyone! === JanC_ is now known as JanC [19:31] popey, ping [19:31] can you pop into -news - we need your services for issue 200 :-) [19:32] and I would rather explain your mission should you choose to accept it there :-) [19:40] * JFo becomes curious [19:41] errr nosey [19:42] hehe [19:48] :) [19:50] jono: hey, I found an old video from your wedding band days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E&feature=related [19:50] jcastro, lol, I saw that guy [19:50] he is a legend [19:51] somehow my life goals all of a sudden don't feel complete. [19:51] haha [19:51] so tonight I audition a drummer for SF [19:51] :) [19:51] excited [19:52] awesome [19:52] Becca says - she can yell into a microphone - can she audition [19:52] akgraner, mail on call for experts sent [19:52] I laughed [19:52] JFo, roger that! [19:52] :) [19:52] so look how devious my daughter looks - http://frylock.redvoodoo.org/~akgraner/37357_837362337127_12603821_45600542_4499492_n.jpg [19:53] looks like whe is plotting evil [19:53] she* [19:53] I know [19:53] I didn't realize until I looked at the pic 3 times that Pete and I are both in it [19:53] that's rare [19:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItUk-5FI0Ek [19:54] That's interesting - jcastro [19:54] :-) [19:56] akgraner: did marjo find you? [19:57] yep we got it all worked out [19:58] <3 thanks for your help on that [19:58] no worries - anytime [19:59] jcastro, do you think it would be helpful just to give all the Foundations Team Leads/Managers access? [20:00] sure [20:00] or someone they designate [20:01] nods - I'll email everyone tomorrow about that [20:02] akgraner: is there a way to grant access to an lp group? [20:02] for a google Calendar? hmmm - I dunno [20:02] ah, right. :-/ [20:03] akgraner: or just add me, they'll end up just asking me anyway [20:03] hehe [20:03] :-) [20:03] you da man jcastro :) [20:03] I'll throw you under the bus as contact then :-) [20:04] heh [20:09] doctormo: I don't understand your blog post [20:10] jcastro: Which part? [20:10] the article you reference [20:12] jcastro: The article was about the new Unity design. [20:18] jcastro: Will go offline for a few mins and be back, did you want me to answer some questions for you? [20:19] no [20:19] I am just puzzled by the comments on the article [20:19] but whatever, I'll get over it [20:19] was just checking things out while something built [20:21] jcastro: There may be a case that a section of ubuntu people only hear bad news when they hear design news. [20:43] akgraner: meet scott-work, the Ubuntu Studio lead [20:44] hello akgraner , how are you? nice to meet you. [20:44] hey scott-work! [20:44] akgraner: scott-work also goes by the nick ScottL [20:44] likewise scott-work [20:44] scott-work, looking at my Calendar now - how does 2nd week of July sound for an interview? [20:45] ok, so now we are all met :) [20:45] :-) Thanks jussi! [20:45] akgraner: it sounds brilliant [20:45] thanks jussi [20:45] scott-work, wants a good email address for ya? [20:45] akgraner: scottalavender@gmail.com [20:46] right, Im off for a bit [20:46] and I'll get you questions and other info that way [20:46] and we can do a follow-up in IRC [20:46] will that work for ya [20:46] akgraner: absolutely! thank you very much for the interview, it's all rather exciting actually :) [20:48] scott-work, I added you to July 11-16th (1st full week of July) [20:48] I'll do my absolute best to get you questions the week prior [20:49] sorry 2nd full week of July [20:49] DOH! [20:50] LOL [20:52] akgraner: i look forward to the email and thank you again for the interview [20:53] scott-work, so if you haven't gotten the initial round of questions by at least the week prior - hunt me down.... [20:53] :-) [20:53] akgraner: I shall [20:53] scott-work, thanks in advance for your time - catch you in a few weeks then! [21:19] paultag: aloha :) [21:19] howdy czajkowski :) [21:20] paultag: add to autojoin [21:20] already done [21:57] Grrr. I don't think xchat likes the length of this channel, it kills it at t in team [21:59] humm. looks like the xchat idiots have that field mapped to a char * that's too small. It just chopped off the last channel in my list ( now this channel works but not my new last one ) [21:59] Time to file a bug report :) [21:59] paultag: are you breaking things [21:59] always :) [22:03] There we are [22:03] I think I just guessed the bug [22:04] my chan char count is 303, and it truncates the last 3 chars, so I think they must do a char * chans = malloc( sizeof(char) * 300 ); [22:04] which is dumb btw, 256 would be more memory effective :) [22:25] jono: I'm ready to mumble! [22:26] jcastro, can you give me a few? [22:26] sure [22:41] jcastro, logging in [22:42] jono: I wonder if other VCS users have been looking at GC: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/rabbitvcs-easy-version-control-for-linux.html [22:43] doctormo, git ftw :P [22:43] paultag: You'll get your git when I get my million pounds. [22:43] :-P [22:43] :P [22:43] doctormo, start eating ;) [22:43] £ not lb [22:44] doctormo, you know, you brits have no sense of humor [22:44] for conference folks http://knittedsteel.blogspot.com/2010/04/pax-prime-already-gearing-up.html` [22:47] doctormo, http://bash.org/?368808 [22:53] heh [22:56] paultag: It's not the brits who lack humour, it's the mericans who can't understand it. :-P [23:41] end-o-weeking - going to fosscon for the weekend, I'll see you all on the flip side! [23:42] jcastro: Say hi to Mike Rushton (leftyfb) he'll be there. [23:42] jcastro: I would have been there but there is a family thing in the cape. [23:44] ah ok [23:44] I saw him post, he's already on my "make sure I meet" list!