[03:39] <akgraner> jono, ping-a-ling-ling
[05:34] <nigelb> JFo: around?
[07:31] <dpm> good morning all
[07:34] <ddecator> goooooood morning dpm :)
[07:34] <dpm> hey ddecator :)
[07:35] <ddecator> i really should be more active in this channel..
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <ddecator> mornin' dholbach
[07:52] <dholbach> hi ddecator
[07:52] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:52] <dholbach> hola dpm
[09:10] <ara> morning ddecator, dpm, dholbach
[09:33] <nigelb> dpm: still crying? :D
[09:34] <nigelb> gah, missed him
[09:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:43] <nigelb>  aloha czajkowski :)
[09:43] <nigelb> having a good morning so far?
[09:43] <czajkowski> sister missed her flight to rome by 2 mins as they'd closed gates as plane was full, and she was still early, not a happy camper
[09:44] <czajkowski> nigelb: up since 4:30
[09:44] <czajkowski> found free wifi in her apt
[09:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: ouch for your sister and good for ya with the free wifi
[09:49] <nigelb> czajkowski: she caught a later flight or just gave up the trip?
[09:50] <czajkowski> nope flying out tomorrow
[09:50] <czajkowski> she is obsessed with rome
[09:52] <nigelb> heh
[09:53] <dholbach> hola ara, hey czajkowski and nigelb
[09:53] <czajkowski> dholbach: ello
[09:53] <czajkowski> nigelb: she goes about 3-4 times a year
[09:53] <czajkowski> i suspect there is some cute italian waiter over there she has her eye on
[09:53] <nigelb> czajkowski: whoa...hahaha!
[09:54] <jussi> argh hungry... no foor for at least 45 mins :(
[09:54] <jussi> food even
[09:54]  * nigelb just had a good lunch
[09:58] <jussi> nigelb: what did you have?
[09:58] <nigelb> jussi: chilly chicken and rice :)
[09:59] <jussi> cold chicken and rice?
[09:59] <jussi> :P
[09:59] <jussi> chilli ;)
[10:00] <popey> mmmm chilli chicken is what I usually order in a new indian restaurant as the reference dish
[10:00] <popey> om nom nom
[10:00] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[10:00] <popey> etc
[10:00] <nigelb> jussi: oh yeah, chilli :)
[10:02] <dholbach> if anybody wonders where dpm went: his power and internet went away but he'll be back soon
[10:03] <dholbach> call his mobile if you need his help
[10:03] <nigelb> I don't have a camera or else I could have taken a pic
[10:23] <dpm> back from electrical failure...
[10:24] <czajkowski> dpm: welcome back
[10:25] <dpm> morning czajkowski, thanks :)
[10:28] <dholbach> welcome back dpm
[10:31] <dpm> thanks dholbach :)
[11:37] <dholbach> dpm: remember when we talked about i18n'ing the daily builds docs - I'll send a mail about that to ubuntu-translators@lists.u.c in a bit, is that OK?
[11:38] <dpm> sure!
[11:38] <dholbach> super
[11:43] <dholbach> dpm: sent
[11:44] <dholbach> my first spec done!
[11:44] <dholbach> yoooohooooooo
[11:59] <dholbach> my second spec done!
[11:59] <dholbach> ¡¡¡¡yoooohooooooo!!!!
[12:13] <dholbach> I'd appreciate if you could all RT http://identi.ca/notice/36650090 and http://twitter.com/dholbach/status/16379489299
[12:13] <dholbach> it'd be nice to get as much feedback as possible
[12:13]  * dholbach adds to UWN
[12:26] <dholbach> ara: gracias
[12:26] <ara> dholbach, np :-)
[12:27] <ara> dholbach, I don't have that many followers :-( it would be better if you could make lady gaga retweet it
[12:28] <dholbach> ara: good idea, I'll talk to a friend who works at Universal - I'm sure he can wangle it
[12:57] <jussi> AlanBell: ping
[13:00] <AlanBell> hi jussi
[13:00] <jussi> AlanBell: got a quick vtiger question if youve a min?
[13:00] <AlanBell> sure
[13:01] <jussi> I have a list of leads. is there someway I can pull a list of their email addresses in a sane sort of format? (comma or space separated?)
[13:11]  * AlanBell returns with a cuppa
[13:11] <AlanBell> jussi: from the leads page there is an export leads button (sheet of paper with green splodge on it)
[13:11] <AlanBell> that does csv exports
[13:12] <jussi> aah, nice
[13:12] <AlanBell> you can also create filters with just certain columns showing, not sure how to export these in a sane format off the top of my head
[13:21] <jussi> AlanBell: yeah, I seem to have something at least :) thanks!
[13:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:34] <popey> czajkowski: manage to get the car sorted?
[13:34] <czajkowski> my day of hell
[13:34] <czajkowski> popey: aye reprogrammed the key
[13:34] <czajkowski> but missed the interview
[13:34] <popey> :(
[13:35] <doctormo> czajkowski: *hug*
[13:40] <AlanBell> czajkowski: seen the tweets! hugs from me too. What a day
[14:05] <JFo> nigelb, I'm here now
[14:06] <nigelb> JFo: mind a PM?
[14:06] <JFo> works for me :)
[14:07] <nigelb> I'd like to hear the thoughts of folks here on on something
[14:07] <nigelb> I've often noticed that unless someone actually takes an interest in a bug to get it fixed etc, I find that a lot of fixes don't get through
[14:08] <nigelb> Is it just my feeling or have you folks felt the same? ^
[14:09] <vish> not just you .. to fix a bug sometimes the upstream must be interested or a huge crash or someone must poke really hard! ;)
[14:10] <nigelb> no I mean cases where even the fix is there
[14:10] <nigelb> stuff like SRU
[14:10] <vish> nigelb: half my work on papercuts is talking to upstream/waiting for them to look at a bug and bah :(
[14:10] <nigelb> vish: I know, thats the tough part
[14:10] <vish> yeah , i was mentioning the bugs *with* patches
[14:10] <nigelb> but I'm talking about cases were *we* are slow to act unless its something someone is interested
[14:11] <vish> nigelb: SRU is nearly the same , if it aint a huge crasher or a regression it gets little attention unless someone is interested
[14:12] <nigelb> so, its not just me.  I have to poke someone to get a discussion on improving this situation
[14:12] <nigelb> gah, I wish my mails to -devel were not moderated
[14:13] <vish> nigelb: its not an unknown thing, its just shortage of sufficient hands
[14:13] <nigelb> I dunno, it would be nice to see if someone has any thoughts regarding this
[14:16] <JFo> nigelb, it could be similar to the kernel team
[14:16] <JFo> there may just be not enough bandwidth
[14:17] <nigelb> JFo: I think its worth a talk at next uds.  Perhaps brainstorming on what else we could to improve this situation. dholbach, thoughts?
[14:17] <JFo> it is a tough thing
[14:18] <JFo> I think that process may help, but it will still probably be an issue
[14:18] <JFo> there is a BP we are working on to improve upstream
[14:18]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski too, just read scroll back
[14:18] <JFo> by looking at how we process bugs with patches
[14:18] <dholbach> nigelb: about what?
[14:18] <nigelb> for example - for sru, we can have things like peer review of sru, etc
[14:19] <nigelb> dholbach: improving the sitation where things move only when "somone from inside gets it moving"
[14:19] <nigelb> like someone new submits an sru proposal, it sometimes just stays and not reviewed
[14:19] <nigelb> I'm wondering if we should think of those situations and document it
[14:20] <nigelb> even revu for that matter tends to be a bit slow
[14:20] <nigelb> blackZ raised something similar on debian-mentors that got me thinking about ubuntu
[14:21] <vish> nigelb: the solution has always been the same : trying to get more people involved. *not* trying to discourage you , but all such discussions always end up with here ;)
[14:21] <nigelb> vish: I'm thinking the same, but I'm sure someone who's more optimistic than us can think of something ;)
[14:21] <dholbach> nigelb: you mean sponsoring does not work?
[14:22] <vish> nigelb: heck i have an SRU waiting for it to be sponsored for more than a month, ;p
[14:22] <nigelb> dholbach: things apart from sponsoring not working - sru, revu, etc
[14:22] <nigelb> sponsoring has become awesome now after archive reorganization I think
[14:23] <dholbach> revu is definitely a problem
[14:23] <dholbach> sru should be brought up on ubuntu-devel@ or something, if it's slow
[14:23] <dholbach> I think it's partly because we have no dedicated release manager right now
[14:23] <dholbach> or something
[14:23] <nigelb> slangasek quit? ;)
[14:29] <nigelb> ok, so its not just me
[14:33] <dholbach> nigelb: he works on some other interesting bits and pieces now
[14:40] <nigelb> dholbach: aha :)
[15:10] <akgraner> dholbach, what's the link the blog post you added  :-)  thanks as well!!
[15:11] <dholbach> akgraner: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=691 :)
[15:11] <akgraner> Thanks a bunch :-)
[15:28] <nigelb> jcastro: poke
[15:29] <jcastro> yo
[15:29] <nigelb> jcastro: I was talking earlier about slowness in everything except sponsoring - do you have any additional thoughts? (you'll have read a bit of scrollback)
[15:30] <jcastro> oh, lemme read up
[15:30] <jcastro> yeah
[15:31] <jcastro> I agree with vish, insufficient hands
[15:31] <jcastro> unfortunately bobbo's don't grow on trees. :(
[15:31] <nigelb> heh, I was thinking we had a peer network to "help" thngs like sru or revu
[15:31] <jcastro> we do, it's just always overworked
[15:32] <nigelb> no, I mean before it goes to the overworked sru team, perhaps, have another peer review it
[15:32] <jcastro> like a prereview?
[15:32] <nigelb> yup
[15:32] <jcastro> dunno, I am in general not a fan of adding more stuff on top of something that is slow
[15:32] <nigelb> so the low hanging ones without obvious problems can be weeded out
[15:32] <nigelb> *with
[15:33] <nigelb> which means the ultimate decision makes get a smaller queue which they really need to go through
[15:33] <jcastro> but I know the feeling with feeling like you're the only person in the world trying to push that bug forward
[15:33] <nigelb> exactly!
[15:33] <nigelb> I saw that feeling in a lot of people during patch review
[15:33] <nigelb> I've had a fair number of patches going to sru too, but that was always because *I* took an interest in it
[15:34] <jcastro> yeah
[15:34] <nigelb> If there was noone there, that would have just rotten there - hence the prereview which I'm trying to think of
[15:34] <nigelb> its just an idea forming in my head, dunno where it goes
[15:34] <jcastro> nod
[15:35] <jcastro> think of it this way
[15:35] <jcastro> if we had 400 more developers, we'd still have the same problem, it'd just be more and more bugs
[15:35] <jcastro> so either way you've got to keep chipping away at it
[15:36] <jcastro> ok, maybe not 400, that might solve alot of problems. :p
[15:36] <nigelb> hehe
[15:36] <nigelb> debian has 1000s and still has athe same problem
[15:37] <jcastro> as long as we keep streamlinging the bit that makes it easy for people to fix a bug I think we'll be ok
[15:37] <nigelb> its something to do with the process and trust and all sorts of things - like if its someone you know and trust coming to you with a patch - I'm sure you'd try to help
[15:37] <jcastro> we're always going to be shorthanded
[15:38] <nigelb> true. so its probably just feeling overwhelmed :)
[15:38] <jcastro> it's ok, if makes you feel better you should have seen years ago when it was dholbach, ogra, and like 3 other guys all by themselves
[15:39] <nigelb> ouch
[15:40] <jcastro> actually, you know which ones annoy me the most, are the ones which are fixed upstream and not in ubuntu
[15:40] <dholbach> yeah
[15:40] <jcastro> do an lp query on fixed upstream but not fixed in ubuntu
[15:40] <dholbach> it's great that we have all these buckets of patches now
[15:40] <dholbach> makes it so much easier to go and just take a look at a specific lot of them
[15:40] <jcastro> actually, that would be a good bucket for next time
[15:40] <dholbach> we can even feed them into harvest easily
[15:41] <nigelb> jcastro: ooh, I did that once
[15:42] <jcastro> nigelb: don't do it now, we're doing a good job with cleansweep I don't want to get depressed, heh
[15:43] <nigelb> hahaha
[15:43] <nigelb> I didn't do a LP query, I did an api search
[15:43] <jcastro> ok ok
[15:43] <nigelb> it was depressing, took around 24 hours to run
[15:43] <jcastro> what's the # then
[15:43] <jcastro> oh
[15:43] <jcastro> ok
[15:43] <nigelb> eventually I stopped the thing
[15:43] <jcastro> good, that gives me 24 hours to mentally prepare
[15:44] <jcastro> though, you'd think that /theoretically/ they would be fixed next time we synced with debian and/or the upstream
[15:44] <nigelb> Agree there.  I saw a lot of low ahanging fruit that were closed in debian, but just not closed in ubuntu
[16:20] <dholbach> jcastro: zack just gave me some great feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Intro/PatchesForwarding and I improved a few things
[16:20] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:21] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:21] <jcastro> dholbach: next week I am talking to lucas about submittodebian
[16:21] <dholbach> jcastro: I had it as a TODO item to talk to him about "when do I send stuff upstream, when do I send to debian"
[16:21] <jcastro> dholbach: and how to make that easier
[16:21] <dholbach> jcastro: and I <<Include()>> that snippet in loads of places now
[16:22] <jcastro> dholbach: he's been busy all this week so I have a bunch of stuff to talk about with him next week, want to do it together?
[16:22] <dholbach> jcastro: awesome - I hope it's going to work out
[16:22] <dholbach> jcastro: sure why not, when do you want to do it?
[16:22] <dholbach> (I never used submittodebian much.)
[16:22] <dholbach> I think soren wrote it initially
[16:23] <jcastro> dholbach: depends on when he's around, he'll let me know
[16:23] <jcastro> dholbach: did you see the thread on -devel about them grabbing ayatana stuff to put in debian?
[16:24] <dholbach> parts of it - I was too busy to follow all of it
[16:24] <dholbach> but buxy had a longer chat with me in #debian-ubuntu on OFTC yesterday
[16:24] <dholbach> jono: I have two blueprints done now :-D
[16:25] <dholbach> jono: do I get a pay raise?
[16:26] <czajkowski> dholbach: why is the channel of OFTC when both ubuntu and debian are on freenode??
[16:26] <dholbach> czajkowski: debian's not
[16:27] <nigelb> jcastro: can I join you both for that?
[16:28] <nigelb> I'm writing (or trying to write) something that can take an LP bug number and forward to debian
[16:28] <czajkowski> dholbach: 998 in #debian on freenode :)
[16:28] <nigelb> czajkowski: all official debian channels are on oftc, they just have presence here
[16:28] <dholbach> czajkowski: I think that's a forward or something -I dunno
[16:28] <jcastro> nigelb: absolutely!
[16:29] <jcastro> nigelb: basically, the idea is submittodebian should make it easy to forward a patch to debian
[16:29] <jcastro> not just buugs!
[16:29] <jono> dholbach, nice work!
[16:29] <nigelb> jcastro: yep, its a bit clunky now and I'd like to adress that
[16:29] <czajkowski> nigelb: dholbach ah fair enough so
[16:29] <jono> dholbach, no :)
[16:29] <jcastro> nigelb: I like the way you roll!
[16:29] <dholbach> jono: worth a try :)
[16:29] <jono> haha
[16:30] <jono> doing your actual work is not worthy of a pay rise :P
[16:30] <nigelb> dholbach: I think if you spread publicity of severth fifth you might have a chance ;)
[16:30] <jono> brb, grabbing a coffee
[16:30] <nigelb> *severed
[16:30] <nigelb> jcastro: heh :)
[16:30] <jono> nigelb, lol
[16:31] <nigelb> jono: its not what he's expected to do, so might be worth it :D
[16:33] <doctormo> nigelb: Shouldn't we all be getting pay rises then? I'm going to start paying popey 200% more than normal for his good work.
[16:33] <popey> \o/
[16:34] <nigelb> doctormo: about time I got a pay rise then :P
[16:34] <nigelb> anyways, its 9 pm, I should get off work
[16:34] <nigelb> catch you all tomorrow
[16:34] <nigelb> g'nite
[16:36] <jcastro> hey popey
[16:36] <doctormo> nite nigelb
[16:36] <jcastro> popey: has elmo responded to you wrt. videos?
[16:36] <jcastro> popey: he hasn't responded to me yet I'm afraid
[16:37] <popey> newp
[16:38] <czajkowski> he's afk today
[16:58] <jcastro> <--- lunching
[17:01] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow! :)
[17:02] <doctormo> bye dholbach
[17:03] <dholbach> bye guys
[17:20] <dpm> ok, done with spamming with blueprints, time to call it a day. See you tomorrow everyone!
[19:31] <akgraner> popey, ping
[19:31] <akgraner> can you pop into -news - we need your services for issue 200 :-)
[19:32] <akgraner> and I would rather explain your mission should you choose to accept it there :-)
[19:40]  * JFo becomes curious
[19:41] <JFo> errr nosey
[19:42] <akgraner> hehe
[19:48] <JFo> :)
[19:50] <jcastro> jono: hey, I found an old video from your wedding band days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E&feature=related
[19:50] <jono> jcastro, lol, I saw that guy
[19:50] <jono> he is a legend
[19:51] <jcastro> somehow my life goals all of a sudden don't feel complete.
[19:51] <jono> haha
[19:51] <jono> so tonight I audition a drummer for SF
[19:51] <jono> :)
[19:51] <jono> excited
[19:52] <akgraner> awesome
[19:52] <akgraner> Becca says  - she can yell into a microphone - can she audition
[19:52] <JFo> akgraner, mail on call for experts sent
[19:52] <akgraner> I laughed
[19:52] <akgraner> JFo, roger that!
[19:52] <JFo> :)
[19:52] <akgraner> so look how devious my daughter looks - http://frylock.redvoodoo.org/~akgraner/37357_837362337127_12603821_45600542_4499492_n.jpg
[19:53] <JFo> looks like whe is plotting evil
[19:53] <JFo> she*
[19:53] <akgraner> I know
[19:53] <akgraner> I didn't realize until I looked at the pic 3 times that Pete and I are both in it
[19:53] <akgraner> that's rare
[19:53] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItUk-5FI0Ek
[19:54] <akgraner> That's interesting  - jcastro
[19:54] <akgraner> :-)
[19:56] <jcastro> akgraner: did marjo find you?
[19:57] <akgraner> yep we got it all worked out
[19:58] <jcastro> <3 thanks for your help on that
[19:58] <akgraner> no worries - anytime
[19:59] <akgraner> jcastro, do you think it would be helpful just to give all the Foundations Team Leads/Managers access?
[20:00] <jcastro> sure
[20:00] <jcastro> or someone they designate
[20:01] <akgraner> nods - I'll email everyone tomorrow about that
[20:02] <jcastro> akgraner: is there a way to grant access to an lp group?
[20:02] <akgraner> for a google Calendar?  hmmm  - I dunno
[20:02] <jcastro> ah, right. :-/
[20:03] <jcastro> akgraner: or just add me, they'll end up just asking me anyway
[20:03] <akgraner> hehe
[20:03] <akgraner> :-)
[20:03] <JFo> you da man jcastro :)
[20:03] <akgraner> I'll throw you under the bus as contact then :-)
[20:04] <JFo> heh
[20:09] <jcastro> doctormo: I don't understand your blog post
[20:10] <doctormo> jcastro: Which part?
[20:10] <jcastro> the article you reference
[20:12] <doctormo> jcastro: The article was about the new Unity design.
[20:18] <doctormo> jcastro: Will go offline for a few mins and be back, did you want me to answer some questions for you?
[20:19] <jcastro> no
[20:19] <jcastro> I am just puzzled by the comments on the article
[20:19] <jcastro> but whatever, I'll get over it
[20:19] <jcastro> was just checking things out while something built
[20:21] <doctormo> jcastro: There may be a case that a section of ubuntu people only hear bad news when they hear design news.
[20:43] <jussi> akgraner: meet scott-work, the Ubuntu Studio lead
[20:44] <scott-work> hello akgraner , how are you?  nice to meet you.
[20:44] <akgraner> hey scott-work!
[20:44] <jussi> akgraner: scott-work also goes by the nick ScottL
[20:44] <akgraner> likewise scott-work
[20:44] <akgraner> scott-work, looking at my Calendar now - how does 2nd week of July sound for an interview?
[20:45] <jussi> ok, so now we are all met :)
[20:45] <akgraner> :-) Thanks jussi!
[20:45] <scott-work> akgraner: it sounds brilliant
[20:45] <scott-work> thanks jussi
[20:45] <akgraner> scott-work, wants a good email address for ya?
[20:45] <scott-work> akgraner: scottalavender@gmail.com
[20:46] <jussi> right, Im off for a bit
[20:46] <akgraner> and I'll get you questions and other info that way
[20:46] <akgraner> and we can do a follow-up in IRC
[20:46] <akgraner> will that work for ya
[20:46] <scott-work> akgraner:  absolutely!  thank you very much for the interview, it's all rather exciting actually :)
[20:48] <akgraner> scott-work, I added you to July 11-16th (1st full week of July)
[20:48] <akgraner> I'll do my absolute best to get you questions the week prior
[20:49] <akgraner> sorry 2nd full week of July
[20:49] <akgraner> DOH!
[20:50] <scott-work> LOL
[20:52] <scott-work> akgraner:  i look forward to the email and thank you again for the interview
[20:53] <akgraner> scott-work, so if you haven't gotten the initial round of questions by at least the week prior - hunt me down....
[20:53] <akgraner> :-)
[20:53] <scott-work> akgraner:  I shall
[20:53] <akgraner> scott-work, thanks in advance for your time  - catch you in a few weeks then!
[21:19] <czajkowski> paultag: aloha :)
[21:19] <paultag> howdy czajkowski :)
[21:20] <czajkowski> paultag: add to autojoin
[21:20] <paultag> already done
[21:57] <paultag> Grrr. I don't think xchat likes the length of this channel, it kills it at t in team
[21:59] <paultag> humm. looks like the xchat idiots have that field mapped to a char * that's too small. It just chopped off the last channel in my list ( now this channel works but not my new last one )
[21:59] <paultag> Time to file a bug report :)
[21:59] <czajkowski> paultag: are you breaking things
[21:59] <paultag> always :)
[22:03] <paultag> There we are
[22:03] <paultag> I think I just guessed the bug
[22:04] <paultag> my chan char count is 303, and it truncates the last 3 chars, so I think they must do a char * chans = malloc( sizeof(char) * 300 );
[22:04] <paultag> which is dumb btw, 256 would be more memory effective :)
[22:25] <jcastro> jono: I'm ready to mumble!
[22:26] <jono> jcastro, can you give me a few?
[22:26] <jcastro> sure
[22:41] <jono> jcastro, logging in
[22:42] <doctormo> jono: I wonder if other VCS users have been looking at GC: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/rabbitvcs-easy-version-control-for-linux.html
[22:43] <paultag> doctormo, git ftw :P
[22:43] <doctormo> paultag: You'll get your git when I get my million pounds.
[22:43] <doctormo> :-P
[22:43] <paultag> :P
[22:43] <paultag> doctormo, start eating ;)
[22:43] <doctormo> £ not lb
[22:44] <paultag> doctormo, you know, you brits have no sense of humor
[22:44] <czajkowski> for conference folks http://knittedsteel.blogspot.com/2010/04/pax-prime-already-gearing-up.html`
[22:47] <paultag> doctormo, http://bash.org/?368808
[22:53] <czajkowski> heh
[22:56] <doctormo> paultag: It's not the brits who lack humour, it's the mericans who can't understand it. :-P
[23:41] <jcastro> end-o-weeking - going to fosscon for the weekend, I'll see you all on the flip side!
[23:42] <doctormo> jcastro: Say hi to Mike Rushton (leftyfb) he'll be there.
[23:42] <doctormo> jcastro: I would have been there but there is a family thing in the cape.
[23:44] <jcastro> ah ok
[23:44] <jcastro> I saw him post, he's already on my "make sure I meet" list!