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| mpt | Noooooo, come back vish | 12:57 |
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| mpt | Hello godbyk and thorwil | 13:02 |
| thorwil | hi mpt, godbyk | 13:03 |
| mpt | [godbyk] idle 15:02:01, signon: Wed Jun 16 22:01:16 | 13:03 |
| mpt | hmm :-) | 13:04 |
| mpt | So, this team seems to be shrinking | 13:04 |
| mpt | Ivanka, Charline, and David are all busy with Canonical stuff today | 13:04 |
| mpt | hi vish | 13:04 |
| thorwil | hello vish. seems it's just mpt, you and i | 13:05 |
| vish | hi | 13:05 |
| vish | yay , meeting cancel then ;p | 13:05 |
| thorwil | would we had a topic, even? besides the ux-pattern thing being a total fail? | 13:06 |
| mpt | Well, I had two things in mind | 13:08 |
| mpt | One was vish's situation with papercuts | 13:08 |
| mpt | And the other was heuristic bug tagging | 13:08 |
| mpt | But now maybe we have a more important one, how to increase team participation :-) | 13:09 |
| thorwil | i though vish eats papercuts for breakfast? | 13:09 |
| vish | mpt: ah yeah , i went through the papercuts and most of them seem to not require the gtk3 , so it shouldnt hurt us much | 13:10 |
| mpt | Yes, he does, but Ubuntu 10.10 will be shipping the same version of Gnome as 10.04 did | 13:10 |
| vish | mpt: + we can use your FTDAU , if you already have them sorted out | 13:10 |
| mpt | vish, what sorting out are you looking for? | 13:11 |
| vish | mpt: seemed like you already had a few FTDAU in your mind :) | 13:11 |
| vish | so we could address those | 13:11 |
| thorwil | what's FTDAU? | 13:12 |
| mpt | Fails To Do Anything Useful | 13:12 |
| mpt | a counterpart to the existing ftbfs = Fails To Build From Source | 13:12 |
| * thorwil knows DAU as Dümmster Anzunehmender User = dumbest user to be expected | 13:12 | |
| mpt | ha | 13:13 |
| vish | mpt: and david mentioned we can be clear about the gnome situation, we have nearly 200 confirmed+triaged papercuts.. | 13:13 |
| vish | we need people fixing them :s | 13:13 |
| mpt | vish, the only ones I know of at the moment are the various prism-* apps, which don't lanch because they "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.2 and 1.9.2.*." But every so often I install an application from Universe and it does nothing, or crashes on startup, or shows an empty window, or whatever. | 13:14 |
| mpt | I haven't made a list. | 13:14 |
| thorwil | simply broken packages are papercuts. too? | 13:15 |
| mpt | thorwil, so the idea is that they're an important set of bugs to fix, even if they're not bugs that someone might experience in their first day using Ubuntu | 13:16 |
| vish | mpt: ah cool,we can just add the FTDAU to a milestone ? once you can get a clearer definition of what it can cover? | 13:17 |
| mpt | vish, I'm not sure what you mean by "add the FTDAU to a milestone" | 13:18 |
| vish | have all those similar FTDAU bugs in one milestone , you mentioned prism-* do we deal with each package as a bug? | 13:19 |
| mpt | I was thinking more, announce the tag, talk to whoever we need to talk to to make it an "official tag" for Ubuntu, campaign for people to fix them | 13:19 |
| vish | wfm :) | 13:20 |
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| mpt | thorwil, what did you mean by "the ux-pattern thing being a total fail"? | 13:21 |
| vish | mpt: we can have a milestone for "improving software center experience" , we encourage user to find all such packages? and try to sort them out? | 13:22 |
| thorwil | mpt: a bit of editing by aday, nobody else picking it up: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns | 13:22 |
| thorwil | mpt: so it's either i continue all by myself, or nothing happens. it will be nothing happens, actually as i have more rewarding activities | 13:24 |
| mpt | vish, oh, you mean a milestone within the Papercuts project? That's an interesting idea. I was thinking of it as more of a long-term thing, like FTBFS is. | 13:24 |
| vish | mpt: yeah , people already like tagging bugs as papercuts , once this becomes more familiar , we can continue FTDAU long-term too | 13:25 |
| djsiegel | (Sorry I'm late, guys!) | 13:26 |
| mpt | thorwil, it's a success if subsequent revisions to interface guidelines take those patterns into account. It's a failure if subsequent revisions don't take those patterns into account. If there haven't been any revisions yet, it might be too early to declare failure. :-) | 13:26 |
| mpt | vish, ok. I've already started using a "metadata" tag for bad package descriptions that show up in USC, too. | 13:26 |
| mpt | hi djsiegel | 13:27 |
| thorwil | mpt: the idea was to get people from the ayatana list working on that. after a week without response, i'm sure nothing will happen from that side | 13:27 |
| mpt | ah, ok | 13:27 |
| djsiegel | I have a few things to mention during the meeting about UX Advocates if we have time at the end. | 13:27 |
| mpt | thorwil, compiling design guidelines is a highly unsexy task, so I wouldn't be too disappointed about that. | 13:28 |
| mpt | djsiegel, UX advocates, go | 13:28 |
| djsiegel | ok, awesome! | 13:29 |
| mpt | Keeping in mind there's just ~5 of us here :-) | 13:29 |
| djsiegel | Ok, who is here btw? | 13:29 |
| thorwil | djsiegel: vish mpt thorwil | 13:29 |
| vish | mpt: yeah , papercuts had a lot of bugs filed for bad "metadata" , we can polish them as well , people are very excited about the software store now. we can just use the momentum. | 13:29 |
| djsiegel | So, OpenUsability.org is creating a project called Summer of Usability | 13:29 |
| mpt | 4 ≈ 5 | 13:30 |
| vish | err, S *center | 13:30 |
| djsiegel | they want to pay a bunch of HCI students $1000 to work on a well defined usability task in an open source project | 13:30 |
| mpt | I think they did this last year too | 13:30 |
| djsiegel | cool | 13:30 |
| djsiegel | so we need to channel this energy into UX Advocates | 13:31 |
| djsiegel | I am speaking to the guy organizing the project | 13:31 |
| djsiegel | would be awesome to get 10 paid UX Advocates grouped with various OSS projects | 13:31 |
| mpt | hm | 13:31 |
| mpt | So would they be short-term UX advocates? | 13:32 |
| djsiegel | historically 50% of their sponsored students stick with the OSS project they work with during the summer | 13:32 |
| mpt | ah, cool | 13:33 |
| djsiegel | so if you guys could check out openusability.org and just be aware for now, that would be excellent | 13:33 |
| djsiegel | and be aware of http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates1 | 13:33 |
| mpt | There is no EtherPad document here. | 13:34 |
| thorwil | http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates | 13:34 |
| mpt | ok | 13:34 |
| djsiegel | oops | 13:35 |
| mpt | Thanks djsiegel | 13:35 |
| mpt | So, before next week's meeting, I will: | 13:35 |
| mpt | * arrange an agenda in advance | 13:35 |
| mpt | * e-mail a reminder to everyone | 13:36 |
| djsiegel | mpt: Jan-Christoph Borchard wants to work on USC and Update Manager | 13:36 |
| djsiegel | sorry for interrupting | 13:36 |
| mpt | * invite a couple more people to join the team. :-) | 13:36 |
| mpt | no worries | 13:36 |
| mpt | Thank you thorwil and vish for turning up despite my neglect | 13:37 |
| vish | ;) | 13:37 |
| thorwil | heh | 13:37 |
| thorwil | mpt: i'm not surprised, either. although, personally, i don' consider compiling guidelines that unsexy. it's just too expensive in time and though for me, currently | 13:40 |
| mpt | thorwil, oh sure, it's fascinating for me too, but we're weird | 13:41 |
| thorwil | yeah | 13:42 |
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| wers | oops i'm late | 14:02 |
| thorwil | wers: it's ok, mpt didn't close the meeting, yet :) | 14:04 |
| mpt | haha | 14:04 |
| wers | hahaha | 14:04 |
| mpt | Somebody e-mail me a gavel | 14:05 |
| thorwil | not email, but this will do: http://www.canyon-news.com/artman2/uploads/2/gavel.gif | 14:08 |
| thorwil | wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. | 14:10 |
| thorwil | wers: djsiegel brought up http://openusability.org/, who will do another Summer of Usability, paying a few students to work on OSS projects | 14:10 |
| thorwil | arg | 14:10 |
| thorwil | wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. | 14:12 |
| thorwil | wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. | 14:12 |
| thorwil | wers: djsiegel brought up http://openusability.org/, who will do another Summer of Usability, paying a few students to work on OSS projects | 14:12 |
| wers | got dc | 14:12 |
| wers | cool thorwil . i got your two messages after reconnecting | 14:13 |
| thorwil | np. so meeting closed for real, i'd say, if further discussion -> #ayatana | 14:14 |
| * thorwil -> coffee | 14:14 | |
| wers | thorwil, thanks man! | 14:14 |
| vish | thorwil confirms he is Brad Pitt Of ubuntu ;) | 14:15 |
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| IdleOne | membership meeting tonight? | 23:36 |
| easter_egg | IdleOne, yes | 23:41 |
| IdleOne | easter_egg: thank you | 23:41 |
| easter_egg | IdleOne, in one hour | 23:42 |
| IdleOne | I'll be here with bells and whistles on :) | 23:42 |
| Ursinha | :) | 23:43 |
| easter_egg | IdleOne, haha | 23:48 |
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