=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-dinner === starcraft is now known as starcraftman === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [12:57] Noooooo, come back vish [13:02] Hello godbyk and thorwil [13:03] hi mpt, godbyk [13:03] [godbyk] idle 15:02:01, signon: Wed Jun 16 22:01:16 [13:04] hmm :-) [13:04] So, this team seems to be shrinking [13:04] Ivanka, Charline, and David are all busy with Canonical stuff today [13:04] hi vish [13:05] hello vish. seems it's just mpt, you and i [13:05] hi [13:05] yay , meeting cancel then ;p [13:06] would we had a topic, even? besides the ux-pattern thing being a total fail? [13:08] Well, I had two things in mind [13:08] One was vish's situation with papercuts [13:08] And the other was heuristic bug tagging [13:09] But now maybe we have a more important one, how to increase team participation :-) [13:09] i though vish eats papercuts for breakfast? [13:10] mpt: ah yeah , i went through the papercuts and most of them seem to not require the gtk3 , so it shouldnt hurt us much [13:10] Yes, he does, but Ubuntu 10.10 will be shipping the same version of Gnome as 10.04 did [13:10] mpt: + we can use your FTDAU , if you already have them sorted out [13:11] vish, what sorting out are you looking for? [13:11] mpt: seemed like you already had a few FTDAU in your mind :) [13:11] so we could address those [13:12] what's FTDAU? [13:12] Fails To Do Anything Useful [13:12] a counterpart to the existing ftbfs = Fails To Build From Source [13:12] * thorwil knows DAU as Dümmster Anzunehmender User = dumbest user to be expected [13:13] ha [13:13] mpt: and david mentioned we can be clear about the gnome situation, we have nearly 200 confirmed+triaged papercuts.. [13:13] we need people fixing them :s [13:14] vish, the only ones I know of at the moment are the various prism-* apps, which don't lanch because they "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.2 and 1.9.2.*." But every so often I install an application from Universe and it does nothing, or crashes on startup, or shows an empty window, or whatever. [13:14] I haven't made a list. [13:15] simply broken packages are papercuts. too? [13:16] thorwil, so the idea is that they're an important set of bugs to fix, even if they're not bugs that someone might experience in their first day using Ubuntu [13:17] mpt: ah cool,we can just add the FTDAU to a milestone ? once you can get a clearer definition of what it can cover? [13:18] vish, I'm not sure what you mean by "add the FTDAU to a milestone" [13:19] have all those similar FTDAU bugs in one milestone , you mentioned prism-* do we deal with each package as a bug? [13:19] I was thinking more, announce the tag, talk to whoever we need to talk to to make it an "official tag" for Ubuntu, campaign for people to fix them [13:20] wfm :) === Ursinha-dinner is now known as Ursinha [13:21] thorwil, what did you mean by "the ux-pattern thing being a total fail"? [13:22] mpt: we can have a milestone for "improving software center experience" , we encourage user to find all such packages? and try to sort them out? [13:22] mpt: a bit of editing by aday, nobody else picking it up: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns [13:24] mpt: so it's either i continue all by myself, or nothing happens. it will be nothing happens, actually as i have more rewarding activities [13:24] vish, oh, you mean a milestone within the Papercuts project? That's an interesting idea. I was thinking of it as more of a long-term thing, like FTBFS is. [13:25] mpt: yeah , people already like tagging bugs as papercuts , once this becomes more familiar , we can continue FTDAU long-term too [13:26] (Sorry I'm late, guys!) [13:26] thorwil, it's a success if subsequent revisions to interface guidelines take those patterns into account. It's a failure if subsequent revisions don't take those patterns into account. If there haven't been any revisions yet, it might be too early to declare failure. :-) [13:26] vish, ok. I've already started using a "metadata" tag for bad package descriptions that show up in USC, too. [13:27] hi djsiegel [13:27] mpt: the idea was to get people from the ayatana list working on that. after a week without response, i'm sure nothing will happen from that side [13:27] ah, ok [13:27] I have a few things to mention during the meeting about UX Advocates if we have time at the end. [13:28] thorwil, compiling design guidelines is a highly unsexy task, so I wouldn't be too disappointed about that. [13:28] djsiegel, UX advocates, go [13:29] ok, awesome! [13:29] Keeping in mind there's just ~5 of us here :-) [13:29] Ok, who is here btw? [13:29] djsiegel: vish mpt thorwil [13:29] mpt: yeah , papercuts had a lot of bugs filed for bad "metadata" , we can polish them as well , people are very excited about the software store now. we can just use the momentum. [13:29] So, OpenUsability.org is creating a project called Summer of Usability [13:30] 4 ≈ 5 [13:30] err, S *center [13:30] they want to pay a bunch of HCI students $1000 to work on a well defined usability task in an open source project [13:30] I think they did this last year too [13:30] cool [13:31] so we need to channel this energy into UX Advocates [13:31] I am speaking to the guy organizing the project [13:31] would be awesome to get 10 paid UX Advocates grouped with various OSS projects [13:31] hm [13:32] So would they be short-term UX advocates? [13:32] historically 50% of their sponsored students stick with the OSS project they work with during the summer [13:33] ah, cool [13:33] so if you guys could check out openusability.org and just be aware for now, that would be excellent [13:33] and be aware of http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates1 [13:34] There is no EtherPad document here. [13:34] http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates [13:34] ok [13:35] oops [13:35] Thanks djsiegel [13:35] So, before next week's meeting, I will: [13:35] * arrange an agenda in advance [13:36] * e-mail a reminder to everyone [13:36] mpt: Jan-Christoph Borchard wants to work on USC and Update Manager [13:36] sorry for interrupting [13:36] * invite a couple more people to join the team. :-) [13:36] no worries [13:37] Thank you thorwil and vish for turning up despite my neglect [13:37] ;) [13:37] heh [13:40] mpt: i'm not surprised, either. although, personally, i don' consider compiling guidelines that unsexy. it's just too expensive in time and though for me, currently [13:41] thorwil, oh sure, it's fascinating for me too, but we're weird [13:42] yeah === zyga is now known as zyga_away [14:02] oops i'm late [14:04] wers: it's ok, mpt didn't close the meeting, yet :) [14:04] haha [14:04] hahaha [14:05] Somebody e-mail me a gavel [14:08] not email, but this will do: http://www.canyon-news.com/artman2/uploads/2/gavel.gif [14:10] wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. [14:10] wers: djsiegel brought up http://openusability.org/, who will do another Summer of Usability, paying a few students to work on OSS projects [14:10] arg [14:12] wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. [14:12] wers: so mpt and vish talked about papercuts and tagging bugs. i pointed out the trying to get ayatana list dwellers to work on ux patterns failed. [14:12] wers: djsiegel brought up http://openusability.org/, who will do another Summer of Usability, paying a few students to work on OSS projects [14:12] got dc [14:13] cool thorwil . i got your two messages after reconnecting [14:14] np. so meeting closed for real, i'd say, if further discussion -> #ayatana [14:14] * thorwil -> coffee [14:14] thorwil, thanks man! [14:15] thorwil confirms he is Brad Pitt Of ubuntu ;) === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel === bladernr is now known as bladernr-afk === bladernr-afk is now known as bladernr === bladernr is now known as bladernr_ === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === JanC_ is now known as JanC === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [23:36] membership meeting tonight? [23:41] IdleOne, yes [23:41] easter_egg: thank you [23:42] IdleOne, in one hour [23:42] I'll be here with bells and whistles on :) [23:43] :) [23:48] IdleOne, haha