* shadeslayer wonders if maco ran away00:05
micahgajmitch: bdrung_, well, I know there are times when I can't be at my computer for 72 hrs straight00:05
micahgnot often, but possible00:05
macoshadeslayer: no was just chatting00:06
shadeslayermaco: just kidding :P00:06
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shadeslayerim just testing out the package once again to see if it builds correctly00:06
bdrung_micahg, ajmitch: we need a better policy or tools for that.00:07
micahgbdrung_: actually, I would think 7 days isn't unreasonable, at the beginning of a cycle, 3 in the middle, 1 near the end00:07
* ajmitch generally prefers less policy, not more00:09
LaneyI don't think it needs to be formal00:12
Laneyjust try to make contact and wait a reasonable amount of time to hear back00:12
ajmitchcommon sense generally works00:12
shadeslayermaco: yep builds perfectly00:12
micahgLaney: ajmitch: bdrung_: maybe a note to come in here and ask if the contributor thinks they've waited a reasonable amount of time00:13
LaneyI'm not sure there's even a big problem to solve00:15
Laneyalthough I did notice that someone merged one of my TIL packages the other day without checking with me00:15
ajmitchI don't think it was me :)00:16
* micahg almost had one sync'd w/out being asked (luckily I filed the bug shortly before :) )00:16
bdrung_Laney, ajmitch, micahg: the word policy was too strong. having a recommendation or a usual way described would be nice.00:16
LaneyI thought that is what we have00:17
* bdrung_ had one package synced and wondered why his syncpackage script failed.00:17
micahgbdrung_: yeah, it's on there, but people apparently don't read it :(00:17
ajmitchmicahg: of course not00:17
bdrung_i would like to have a more verbose version of it.00:18
Laneyanyway it is actually only a recommendation, so you can't really complain so much00:18
Laneywe don't have maintainers after all ;)00:18
micahgLaney: true, but the community is normally courteous00:19
bdrung_it would be nice to have a way to specify your preference. for some package i want to be asked and for other package i don't care about it.00:20
LaneyNo, you can't block others from working on a package00:21
Laneyif you want someone else to take your merge then just leave a comment on mom00:21
bdrung_Laney: it was not meant to block other. i want to be ask for some package, because i work on them and want to avoid wasted time00:23
shadeslayermaco: put a hold on the upload,i think i might be able to close bug 221979 with this upload00:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 221979 in mingw32 (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent snprintf format specification parsing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22197900:25
shadeslayerthe bug has a patch :P00:25
macoshadeslayer: okie00:25
macoshadeslayer: you an ubuntu member? if so, stash a source package's requisite files on your people.ubuntu.com and point me at it00:26
macoshadeslayer: when you have it all ready i mean00:26
shadeslayermaco: no :(00:26
shadeslayermaco: ive applied for membership tho00:27
macowhich board?00:27
shadeslayermaco: kubuntu council :)00:27
shadeslayermaco: which is currently having its own reshuffling going on00:27
macoah right00:28
macoi voted00:28
shadeslayermaco: i didnt get the mail00:30
macoshadeslayer: youre not a member yet00:30
shadeslayermaco: ohhh....00:30
macodependency resolution... FAIL00:31
ajmitchsigh, another udd import failure00:31
shadeslayermaco: my patch?00:32
macoshadeslayer: heh no00:32
shadeslayerah ok :P00:32
ajmitchlifeless: is it worth filing bugs for these import failures, when a similar one is already there?00:33
macoshadeslayer: the kubuntu member -- vote on --> kubuntu council -- vote on --> kubuntu member {REPEAT} thing00:33
shadeslayerapparently that patch ( in the bug ) is pretty useless... theres no gdtoa dir00:33
shadeslayermaco: ah.. circular deps :P00:33
macoshadeslayer: yep00:33
lifelessajmitch: we want one bug per page like http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/sphinx.html#2010-04-04%2014:35:37.80415000:34
* shadeslayer wonders how it could be 5 AM so soon00:34
ajmitchlifeless: ok, there's already one filed for a 'No such tag' error, so I'll leave it00:35
lifelessajmitch: me too it00:35
shadeslayermaco: the pastebin i sent you is good to go ... i cant see where to apply this patch,nor the code which has to be patched00:35
ajmitchdone & commented00:36
shadeslayermaco: wait!00:37
shadeslayeri think i found the file :P00:38
macoheh ok00:38
* maco waits00:38
shadeslayermaco: how would one patch stuff inside a tarball? 0_o00:40
macoshadeslayer: uhhhhh O_O00:40
macothere's a tarball *inside* the .orig.tar.gz ??00:40
macodoubly tar'd?00:40
ajmitchyou sound surprised at this00:40
shadeslayermaco: no theres a tarball inside the untarred stuff00:40
macoajmitch: isnt that like....not allowed?00:40
shadeslayerajmitch: i was00:40
wgrantIt's stupid.00:41
wgrantBut not forbidden.00:41
ajmitchmaco: no, just annoying00:41
macowgrant: can we make it forbidden due to crossing the stupid threshold?00:41
micahgwas more of an issue before source format 3 and you could only upload .tar.gz00:41
ajmitchcdbs even has explicit support for it00:41
macosee and this is why i cant be a core dev. these weird edge cases blow my mind too thoroughly00:42
shadeslayeranyway to find a file and its path in a folder?00:42
ajmitchwait until you try & read the cdbs code for fun00:43
micahgmaco: I just too a look inside the chromium tarball last night and there's a .tar.lzma archive in there and it's still 90MB00:43
shadeslayerusing commands00:43
ajmitchshadeslayer: find /path -name *foobar*00:44
macoshadeslayer: find00:44
shadeslayermaco: bah release the beastie... i cant find any stuff to patch00:46
shadeslayerill mark the bug as incomplete00:46
shadeslayermaco: well its always better to be sure :)00:48
macoshadeslayer: did you used to be trollslayer/00:49
macooh ok00:49
shadeslayerbeen shadeslayer since i accidently wandered into #kubuntu :P00:49
shadeslayermaco: im going to sleep.. my other account ( shadeslayer_ ) will still be active so please highlight that one and ill read the backlog :)00:50
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p3rrorplease where can i found jar binary04:38
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anotengany motu's willing to take a look at my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/transgui bug #332067 I changed the package according to fabricesp's comments.05:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332067 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] transmission-remote-gui" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33206705:59
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fabrice_spanoteng, it still FTBFS. Did you built it with pbuilder/sbuild?06:35
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dholbachgood morning07:52
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bilalakhtarPlease merge. bug #59539809:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595398 in acm (Ubuntu) "Please merge acm 5.0-27 (universe) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59539809:07
bilalakhtarBuild for the merge succeeded. Someone, please upload merge for bug #59539809:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595398 in acm (Ubuntu) "Please merge acm 5.0-27 (universe) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59539809:16
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bilalakhtarnobawk: Hi there! bug #59539809:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595398 in acm (Ubuntu) "Please merge acm 5.0-27 (universe) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59539809:29
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xteejxHelp! I keep getting dependency errors with pbuilder, e.g. Depends: libnet6-1.3-dev (>= 1:1.3.12) which is a virtual package. Why should that make a difference? Surely it'd normally just install the damn thing regardless11:13
xteejxDo I need to change the control file to something like build-depends: libnet6-1.3-0 | libnet6-1.3-dev ??11:14
xteejxobviously there are other deps ;)11:15
xteejxBlackZ: ?? ^11:17
geserxteejx: do you have universe enabled in your pbuilder?11:20
xteejxgeser: I'll be honest I don't know11:20
geserand no, you don't need to change the build-dependency11:20
geserthis error message is a common one if universe isn't enabled11:20
xteejxis this the ~/.pbuilderrc thing?11:20
geserthe COMPONENTS one in the wiki page11:21
xteejxgeser: Got it! thanks geser...again!! hehe :)11:21
xteejxgeser: Quick Q - the autobuilders won't have a prob will they when this merges?11:23
sorenxteejx: Why do you say libnet6-1.3-dev is a virtual package?11:24
sorenI certainly see a libnet6-1.3-dev in the archive.11:24
xteejxpbuilder said that, dont see why11:25
geserxteejx: no, the use the correct components when build for main (main only) or universe (main+universe) or multiverse (main+universe+multiverse)11:25
xteejxI copied the components section from the wiki page, updating now11:26
xteejxAll working now, no more bitching about supposed virtual packages :D11:27
xteejxthanks guys11:27
bilalakhtarHey motus, bug #59539811:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595398 in acm (Ubuntu) "Please merge acm 5.0-27 (universe) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59539811:29
xteejxit's in progress11:29
xteejxset it confirmed if you're done with it and subscirbe universe sponsors11:30
bilalakhtarxteejx: I have done it, why confirmed? ok, I have subscribed both sponsors and universe-sponsors11:31
xteejxwell in progress means it's in progress, but if you've generated your debdiffs, etc then its no longer in progress... lol11:32
xteejxmotu say set confirmed since not everyone is able to set Triaged11:33
bilalakhtarxteejx: I cat set it to Triaged.11:34
xteejxhence "confirmed"11:34
bilalakhtarxteejx: I don't know what to do in case of merge bugs11:34
* bilalakhtar reconsults the Triage Guide11:35
xteejxyou created 2 debdiffs between versions so you must have some idea what you're doing11:35
xteejxand you can set Triaged status, you're bug control same as me11:35
bilalakhtarxteejx: I know. This is the first merge I am working on11:36
xteejxohhh right I see11:36
xteejxI tried acm but gave up, build problems11:37
xteejxI'm learning to do merges myself so I'm probably not a great deal of help11:37
bilalakhtar"Do not assign a bug to anyone if it needs sponsorship. "11:37
xteejxno no never assign bugs, that's a general rule, even with bugsquad/control11:37
bilalakhtarxteejx: Build failed once, then tried, there was a type. worked later.11:38
bilalakhtar"The Status should be "Confirmed" for bugs that represent a new candidate revision (e.g. bugfix uploads, merges.) In other words, use Status "Confirmed" when you have uploaded a debdiff that requires attention from a sponsor. "11:40
xteejxIt probably should be Triaged by our guidelines but I don't think motu have that ability, esp newer motus, so confirmed makes sense11:41
bilalakhtarxteejx: I didn't read it anywhere, that we should mark such bugs as triaged. I can do it right away, as I am member of bugcontrol as well.11:42
xteejxwell if the motu page says confirmed, set it to that11:43
xteejx*Generally* for triage it would be Triaged if you have all the information, but not in this case11:43
xteejxthat's what i meant11:43
bilalakhtarok, now, bug #595398 , any motu here?11:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595398 in acm (Ubuntu) "Please merge acm 5.0-27 (universe) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59539811:44
bilalakhtarwishlist and confirmed ^^11:44
BlackZbilalakhtar: subscribe ubuntu-sponsor and wait11:45
BlackZit's enough11:45
xteejxjust wait DIF is a week away it'll be looked at long before then, you subscirbed u-u-s thats it for now11:45
bilalakhtarthanks, BlackZ and xteejx11:45
BlackZbilalakhtar: and in the future don't subscribe U-U-S too11:45
BlackZU-S is enough11:45
bilalakhtarBlackZ: ok11:46
xteejxu-u-s is universe sponsors isn't it?11:46
bilalakhtarDIF is coming ?11:46
BlackZsince now we have the sponsor either for main and universe in U-S11:46
bilalakhtarso soon ?11:46
xteejxyup DIF one week today11:46
BlackZtime for lunch, bye11:46
bilalakhtarbye, BlackZ11:47
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EricBaHello, is there a motu who has some time to review my package? It's already reviewed by one motu. My programm is a wallpaper changer for gnome. - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cortina12:07
ari-tczewplease open a tasks on bug 46417513:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 464175 in skyeye (Ubuntu) "Broken shared library dependency for skyeye in Karmic Koala" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46417513:03
ari-tczewand assign to me directly ^^13:21
ari-tczewsponsors, please take a look on clementine player http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/clementine I'm using this package and it rulez! glad to see in universe13:27
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rippsIn Maverick, why does amd64 have libvdpau-4.3 and i386 have libvdpau-4.5? The version differences are messing up my mplayer-build package.15:46
umangripps, I'm guessing this is it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/libvdpau/+builds15:48
umangripps, or more specifically http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50307120/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.libvdpau_0.4-5_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz15:50
rippsyeah, i see. It's waiting on ia32-libs15:51
BlackZkees: please, unsubscribe U-S-S in bug #595520 subscribed for wrong16:02
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/595520)16:02
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NorthernLightsHello all17:46
NorthernLightsI'm packing this software whose only copyright line i could find in the source tarball is dated 2002-2007 although last commit was this month17:47
NorthernLightsshould I just leave the debian/copyright with that date?17:47
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ScottK(where that date == 2002-200718:17
keesBlackZ: unsubbed, thanks.18:20
ari-tczewplease open a tasks on bug 464175 and assign to me18:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 464175 in dspam (Ubuntu) "Please merge dspam 3.6.8-9.3 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46417518:23
ari-tczewerr, wrong, bug 46417518:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 464175 in skyeye (Ubuntu) "Broken shared library dependency for skyeye in Karmic Koala" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:23
shadeslayerany sponsors around?18:41
lfaraoneshadeslayer: link?18:47
shadeslayerlfaraone: um no bug link :)18:47
shadeslayerlfaraone: just dget http://packages.debian.org/sid/mingw32 and apply this patch http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EkMmtdMt18:48
shadeslayer( to the packaging folder )18:48
shadeslayerlfaraone: or do you want me to file a bug ?18:49
lfaraoneshadeslayer: yes, please do.18:49
shadeslayerlfaraone: ok and you would require a dediff right?18:49
lfaraoneshadeslayer: yes, or bzr branch.18:50
shadeslayerlfaraone: ah ok...18:51
NorthernLightsI'm packing this software whose only copyright line i could find in the source tarball is dated 2002-2007 although last commit was this month. Should I just put these dates in the debian/copyright file?18:51
lfaraoneNorthernLights: Those lines are just a suggestion.18:52
lfaraoneNorthernLights: either way should be fine, but I'd lean towards "2002-2010"18:53
NorthernLightshM, K18:53
NorthernLightsHm, ok18:53
NorthernLightsi gess so too, thanks18:53
* bilalakhtar never thought merging could be so easy, thanks to MoM18:54
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bilalakhtarA small question: After I run the grab-merge, I get the mom@ubuntu.com address in changelog. Do I need to change that to mine, using dch ?18:55
bilalakhtaryes, right ? ^^18:56
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: of course you need to change it18:56
bilalakhtarari-tczew: yup, have been doing that. was just making sure if I was going on the right track18:57
bilalakhtarHow long does it take for a merge to be approved ?18:57
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: as long as any sponsor will poke your patch18:57
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I have subscribed ubuntu-sponsors. DO I need to send request on some mailing list as well? or its enough?18:58
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: it's enough18:58
bilalakhtarthanks ari-tczew18:59
* bilalakhtar continues merging :)18:59
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: you're welcome18:59
bilalakhtarwell, now I have bug #59560919:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595609 in filtergen (Ubuntu) "Please merge filtergen 0.12.4-5 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59560919:00
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: possibly you can ask here for sponsorship, but be patient19:00
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I was showing the bug to you.19:01
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I can take a look, but now I'm eating19:01
bilalakhtarari-tczew: ok, sorry19:03
ari-tczewwait 5 minutes19:03
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: your second attached patch is wrong19:18
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: please remove file debian/changelog.dch19:19
bilalakhtarari-tczew: oh19:20
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ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I don't see a verbosity changes in debian/changelog19:21
bilalakhtarari-tczew: It is removed in the diff19:21
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bilalakhtarari-tczew: it is correct19:22
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: no, you wrote only: Merge from debian testing.19:22
bilalakhtarari-tczew: oh, you mean that? ok19:22
ari-tczewthe correct description is: Merge from debian testing, remaining changes:19:22
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I got it.19:22
ari-tczewand unstable instead testing19:23
ari-tczewwe are getting packages from testing during LTS development cycle only19:23
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: please prepare a patch and put it into debian/patches/ instead changing source code manually19:25
bilalakhtarari-tczew: That's what I thought of, But the debian maint has not done that. I thought it would be useless.19:27
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: please use CDBS with Simple Patchsys19:28
ari-tczewthen you have to add information in debian/changelog, like: * Support simple-patchsys19:28
ScottKari-tczew: The general rule is to not add a patch system is Debian hasn't got one.19:28
bilalakhtarScottK: but the ubuntu version uses quilt19:29
ari-tczewScottK: I saw that developers from MOTU means something other19:29
ScottKbilalakhtar: If it's got patch system in Ubuntu already, don't remove it.19:29
bilalakhtarScottK: I am not19:29
ScottKari-tczew: Why did you tell him to use CDBS simply patchsys?19:30
ari-tczewScottK: because it's easy to implement19:30
ScottKBut if the package already has quilt, then why?19:30
shadeslayerlfaraone: bug 59563319:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595633 in mingw32 (Ubuntu) "Please merge mingw32" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59563319:31
bilalakhtarScottK: Don't worry, I have used simple patchsys other packages as well.19:31
bilalakhtarI have been packaging, merging, fixing bugs, etc from the last 2 months19:31
ScottKbilalakhtar: If there's already a patch system, there's no reason to change.19:32
ScottKAlso, generally, quilt is better thought of than simple patchsys.19:32
ari-tczewScottK: $ what-patch: patchless?19:32
geseris this about the filtergen merge?19:32
ari-tczewgeser: yes19:32
ScottKari-tczew: I'm going based on bilalakhtar saying it already had quilt.19:33
geserfiltergen doesn't depend on any patch-system19:33
geserit patches the code directly19:33
geserari-tczew: and please don't instruct other to change the packaging system19:34
ari-tczewgeser: ok19:35
bilalakhtarari-tczew: thanks for the other advises anyway19:38
ari-tczewgeser, ScottK: I just wanted to help him, but it's turned against me as always19:38
ScottKari-tczew: I'm glad you're trying to help.  It's even OK if the help turns out to be wrong sometimes as long as you are open to feedback.19:39
bilalakhtarari-tczew: This is a problem for me as well. Many of my help attempts turn out to be against me. If you frequently visit #ubuntu-server, then you will know.19:40
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I don't visit #ubuntu-server. For server sector my contribution is security patches btw.19:41
bilalakhtarbye, guys19:42
smallfoot-guys put Gloobus in the repository21:05
smallfoot-and put nautilis-elementary simplified, and Elementary theme there21:07
smallfoot-or im gonna fuck you up21:07
ubottuHelp! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, fbond, mneptok, gnomefreak, Seveas, dholbach, elkbuntu, PriceChild, or jpds!21:07
ikoniahuh ?21:07
ikoniasmallfoot-: tone down the language and attitude please.21:08
ikoniasmallfoot-: have you made a request for this to be pacaged ?21:08
fbondHm, I shouldn't be an op...21:08
smallfoot-there are requests21:08
smallfoot-but nobody does shit about it21:08
tsimpsonah ChanServ, how I love thou21:09
ikoniavery sad21:09
hyperairtsimpson: thee.21:09
ikoniaif you can't communicate without swearing, I pity21:09
ikoniaI strongly suggest Gloobus doesn't get packaged now as punishment for such a rude request21:09
tsimpsonhyperair: looks too much like a typo, so I choose thou21:09
ikoniarequest, nah, demand21:09
hyperairtsimpson: poor excuse for grammatical errors ;-)21:10
ScottKsmallfoot-: We're all volunteers here, so you've got no right to insist anything.  If arrived with a pleasanter tone and a willingness to be part of the solution, someone would have almost certainly helped you figure out how to get what you want.21:11
* hyperair points out that "pleasanter" doesn't exist.21:11
* hyperair dons his grammar police hat21:11
micahgikonia: no point in punishing the community if the package actually has value21:14
ikoniaput authentication on the repos's so he can't have it ?21:14
micahgikonia: :)21:15
ikoniasee compromise is possible21:15
micahgikonia: add a fw rule to the archive :)21:15
* micahg realizes neither solution would be possible or even prevent acquisition of the package21:15
hyperairthere's a PPA for gloobus. someone should poke the owner of that PPA to submit it through revu21:18
sebnerhyperair: w00t, and ScottK is even native speaker. pleasanter definately looks like germanism :)21:28
ScottKhyperair: more pleasant would be more correct, you are right.21:29
hyperairsebner: Parse error at "native." Expected pronoun but found adjective.21:29
hyperairScottK: ^_^21:30
sebnerhyperair: w00t :P21:30
hyperairer whoops, not pronoun. what was a/an called again?21:30
* hyperair segfaults21:30
* sebner prepares his rotten tomatoes once again21:30
* hyperair vanishes with a *poof*21:31
hyperaironly cherry tomatoes allowed!21:31
hyperair*FRESH* cherry tomatoes.21:31
sebnerhyperair: biiiig, roooooootten tomatoes21:31
sebneronly the best for you :P21:31
* hyperair scuttles away in fright.21:31
sebnerScottK: was that just a random mistake or is it common to use *not-so-correct* grammatics in the U, S and A?21:32
ScottKsebner: Language use is generally pretty casual in the US.21:33
sebnerScottK: I thought/heard so21:33
ScottKI'm actually more careful than most.21:33
sebnerScottK: sure, you are working with british english users (here) :P21:34
ScottKYes, but I've spent enough time around British English speakers that I can usually translate.21:35
hyperairmalaysia and singapore both use british english \o/21:36
sebnerI guess in whole europe you learn british english in schools, /here in Austria it's Oxford english to be precise21:37
imbrandonafternoon all22:15
imbrandonScottK: rember me saying I got a position at a new ubuntu-ish company a few weeks ago ?22:18
ScottKimbrandon: I do.22:18
imbrandonScottK: somehow we made slashdot today ( we as in the company ) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/17/1929230/Bluecherry-Releases-GPLed-MPEG-4-Driver22:18
ScottKI've been reading about that on planet.debian.22:19
imbrandoncool, yea BenC made a few posts about it, because 99% of it ( driver and server ) are opensource22:20
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micahgimbrandon: friendly reminder :)22:24
EricBaHello, is there a motu who has some time to review my package? It's already reviewed by one motu. My programm is a wallpaper changer for gnome. - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cortina22:24
imbrandonmicahg: ahh yes, i forgot, i will do it now22:27
micahgimbrandon: thanks :)22:27
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ari-tczewtumbleweed: do you plan taking a sponsorship if you will come in MOTU?23:28
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