| chrisccoulson | does anyone have a karmic installation available and can spare a couple of minutes testing something? | 01:33 |
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| ddecator | micahg: btw, i'm working on sb. upstream moved the xulrunner branch on their server and made some changes, so i'm working on getting everything setup. i updated the patches, but i hit a failure at 4am last night. not sure how long it'll take, just wanted to let you know why it's taking so long | 04:55 |
| micahg | ddecator: k, np | 04:57 |
| ddecator | good learning experience so far.. | 04:57 |
| ddecator | micahg: i feel like this may have come up in other xr192-related builds. when building, it looks for gnomeui libs and it can't find libnotify. have you ever run into that before? | 06:25 |
| micahg | ddecator: you might need to add a dependency | 06:27 |
| * micahg doesn't remember that | 06:28 | |
| ddecator | micahg: just to the control file? | 06:28 |
| micahg | ddecator: yeah, look at the source for xulrunner-1.9.2 to see if you're missing something | 06:28 |
| ddecator | micahg: alright, thanks, i'll look at that in a little bit, i'm introducing a student to the bugday first :) | 06:29 |
| * micahg needs to work on midbrowse and it's late | 06:31 | |
| micahg | *midbrowser | 06:32 |
| ddecator | yah, i hope i don't end up staying up until 5am again.. | 06:32 |
| * micahg needs to get somewhere by 8 | 06:32 | |
| ddecator | yaaaaaah... | 06:33 |
| ddecator | micahg: yup, i had to add some dependencies, we'll see how things go now | 07:16 |
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| ddecator | dang, it's so close to building.. | 08:38 |
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| fta | http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2010/06/chromium-based-flock-beta-offers-unobtrusive-social-features.ars | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | does anyone else have to type in your keyring password when starting Gwibber? | 15:00 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: makes sense if you're storing passwords | 15:01 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt realize i was. anyway to change this? and it doesnt even start. ps aux shows it but its not showing | 15:02 |
| gnomefreak | this damn app is so unrelable not sure how it made into default | 15:04 |
| gnomefreak | i lost all my accounts | 15:05 |
| gnomefreak | wtf | 15:05 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: couchdb upgrade? | 15:06 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: maybe check in +1 | 15:06 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: shouldnt have dropped all my accounts | 15:06 |
| micahg | shouldn't is true, but this is the devel release | 15:06 |
| * gnomefreak working on fixing. that i am sure i can | 15:06 | |
| gnomefreak | ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on com.Gwibber.Accounts:/com/gwibber/Accounts: | 15:07 |
| gnomefreak | more of those | 15:08 |
| gnomefreak | ok lets see if i can do this | 15:08 |
| gnomefreak | it seems that backing up .gconf no longer keeps accounts | 15:12 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: should be stored in you keyring, maybe new gwibber feature | 15:14 |
| micahg | ? | 15:14 |
| micahg | actually, I shouldn't say that for sure, ideally, it would be stored in the keyring, don't know what gwibber does :) | 15:15 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: ah ok | 15:27 |
| gnomefreak | i guess i re-set it up | 15:27 |
| * gnomefreak not sure if there is a faile to back up for keyring | 15:28 | |
| gnomefreak | s/faile/file | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | cant add facebook account no "add" button after filling all info needed | 15:43 |
| DASPRiD | every time i open firefox, it loads all my previous pages, of which like 10 are protected via htaccess. i always have to click 10 times "ok" (since it remembered username/password). is there an addon or such which automatically uses the remembered data without prompting me? | 16:02 |
| gnomefreak | DASPRiD: maybe but you would have to look on mozilla addons site. we dont support anything like that | 16:07 |
| * gnomefreak thinks it is a bad idea to do that | 16:07 | |
| DASPRiD | gnomefreak, why do you think that? | 16:07 |
| DASPRiD | username and password are prefilled anyway | 16:07 |
| DASPRiD | so what's the point of displaying the popup at start | 16:07 |
| gnomefreak | DASPRiD: they are? and it is security risk | 16:08 |
| DASPRiD | just on shared computers | 16:08 |
| DASPRiD | tho there you have a master password | 16:08 |
| gnomefreak | all the sites i use pre-fill user name but not password | 16:08 |
| DASPRiD | well its specifically about htaccess passwords | 16:09 |
| gnomefreak | DASPRiD: the add-on may not do just htaccess it is likely to do it with everything (maybe a setting to customize it | 16:10 |
| gnomefreak | )* | 16:10 |
| gnomefreak | anyone try lubuntu | 16:14 |
| gnomefreak | i guess ill install it while im at lunch :) | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: if 3.6.4 is released today or tomorrow, I feel pretty strongly that the update should wait until monday-- unless there is a devastating vulnerability | 16:40 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - i agree | 16:40 |
| jdstrand | ok cool | 16:40 |
| gnomefreak | 3.6.5 wasnt released? | 16:41 |
| gnomefreak | daily is on pre 3.6.6 | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, 3.6.5 was skipped | 16:41 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 16:42 |
| gnomefreak | well have fun im going to lunch | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | gnomefreak, "1.9.2.5 was used by Fennec, so next platform version is 1.9.2.6. We will keep the version #'s coherent by naming it Firefox 3.6.6" | 16:42 |
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| bobby_ | Anyone else find 3.7a6pre epically faster, or is it just me? | 18:54 |
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| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: hmmm. there are a number of test cases in http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4224 that should not be there: seamonkey, thunderbird, sqlite3, and nss | 20:10 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: having them there suggests they need to be tested, and I think the sqlite3 one may not be appropriate (though I'm not sure, asac should remember) | 20:11 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that shouldn't be there. those must just be packages that were already in the PPA | 20:16 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - the totem plugin doesn't work in the webkit port of epiphany on hardy | 20:24 |
| chrisccoulson | :( | 20:24 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: why would it? | 20:25 |
| chrisccoulson | it works with the gecko version, but the webkit version needs a newer version of totem | 20:25 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: right, do they use the same plugin or they build a different one? | 20:26 |
| chrisccoulson | it's the same plugin, but the one in hardy is using xpcom and only compatible with gecko browsers | 20:26 |
| chrisccoulson | so we'd need to backport the totem plugin too if we wanted it to work | 20:27 |
| micahg | ah | 20:27 |
| micahg | ugh | 20:27 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: looking more like it'd be better to fwd port epiphany :)( | 20:27 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: how much code is actually in epiphany-gecko? | 20:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not too sure | 20:28 |
| micahg | k | 20:29 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: epiphany has all kinds of problems. I considered it blocked atm | 20:38 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's not too good | 20:38 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: as such, maybe focus on that after all the firefox bits? | 20:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm a bit confused though, it's not actually using the totem plugin to play media on lucid | 20:39 |
| chrisccoulson | but, whatever it uses isn't working on hardy ;) | 20:39 |
| jdstrand | maybe it is smart with mime types? | 20:40 |
| fta | is there an equivalent of perl's "<=>" in python? | 20:50 |
| fta | ("$a <=> $b" return -1, 0 or 1 if a is lower, equal, greater than b) | 20:51 |
| micahg | fta: cmp | 20:56 |
| micahg | fta: but not exatcly | 20:56 |
| micahg | fta: see http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html | 20:56 |
| fta | >>> cmp("2", "11") | 21:01 |
| fta | 1 | 21:01 |
| fta | >>> cmp(2, 11) | 21:01 |
| fta | -1 | 21:01 |
| fta | :( | 21:01 |
| jdstrand | eek | 21:05 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: ctxextensions is pretty hosed. if I install all the extensions from the ppa, then upgrade, most of (all?) the extensions don't show up until I disable ctxextensions | 21:06 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - yeah, i noticed that too | 21:07 |
| chrisccoulson | did you recall if it worked before the upgrade? | 21:07 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I phrased that wrong. if I install all the extensions corresponding to those in the ppa... | 21:07 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: it seemed to, yes. I had an Extensions menu to the right of Help | 21:07 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, that's not good. i'll look at that later then, but i was thinking if it didn't work before, that we could just leave it at the old version ;) | 21:08 |
| jdstrand | heh, yeah | 21:09 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: firebug seems broken too. with ctxextensions disabled, firebug still doesn't show up even though firebug and xul-ext-firebug are installed | 21:20 |
| bobby | Any word on when FF4.0 alpha is coming out, anyone know? | 21:22 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: and mozilla-noscript | 21:31 |
| chrisccoulson | there's lots for me to fix then ;) | 21:32 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: well, to be fair, there is a lot that works too :) | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, that's good :) | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | right, time for me to move downstairs | 21:33 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I am updating the qa tracker as I go, so you can look there | 21:33 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 21:33 |
| jdstrand | I I'll rely on others to test some stuff though (eg bindwood) | 21:34 |
| bobby | Question: Is 3.7 going to be 3.6.4, or FF4? What exactly is being done with 3.7? | 21:37 |
| mconnor | 3.7 is going to be 4.0 | 21:39 |
| bobby | Okay, thanks, I wasn't really sure. | 21:39 |
| mconnor | 3.6.4 is a collection of specific backports to allow plugins to run in a different process | 21:40 |
| bobby | Yeah | 21:40 |
| bobby | Mozilla needs to make better roadmaps, or just not release any roadmaps at all :P | 21:40 |
| bobby | Okay, another question: It is June, and I am using the 3.7a6pre... How many more alpha/beta releases will there be, especially if they are aiming for November? | 21:41 |
| mconnor | beta 1 is soon | 21:44 |
| bobby | Oh, okay, thanks | 21:44 |
| mconnor | and then we'll ship betas on ~2 week cycles | 21:44 |
| mconnor | until we're ready to ship | 21:44 |
| bobby | Oh, I see. I'm surprised that will take to November or further, 3.0 betas didn't take very long, I think there were only 4 or so | 21:47 |
| mconnor | (ftr: Fx3 b1 was nov 2007, shipped final in june 2008, so seven months) | 22:06 |
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| chrisccoulson | b'ah, my wifi keeps dropping out tonight | 22:22 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: openjdk doesn't work on karmic | 22:23 |
| jdstrand | I've not tested sun-java6-plugin yet | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | is it just not detected or just not working properly? | 22:23 |
| jdstrand | sorry | 22:23 |
| jdstrand | not detected | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | i haven't had a chance to test everything yet | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, not detected should be easy to fix :) | 22:23 |
| jdstrand | I'm still going through the testing and will report in the qatracker | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 22:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm going to try and get jaunty ready for the weekend, so i've not had much time to test everything yet | 22:24 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: sure. hopefully my testing will help save you some time (Firefox3.6.4Upgrade/SecurityPublication for what I am doing) | 22:25 |
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| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: also note that my testing of the extensions (the ones I reported on) was fairly cursory. some better than others, but none 'fully' | 22:28 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: basically I spot checked several things within each before I gave it a pass | 22:29 |
| fta | http://blog.chromium.org/2010/06/bringing-improved-pdf-support-to-google.html | 22:43 |
| micahg | jdstrand: thunderbird 3.0.5 has been pushed | 22:50 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: ^^ | 22:51 |
| jdstrand | micahg: you mean by upstream? | 22:51 |
| micahg | jdstrand: yes, but no CVEs yet, since FF is on hold | 22:51 |
| jdstrand | k | 22:51 |
| jdstrand | they are trying their hardest to make this exciting for us, aren't they? | 22:51 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 22:52 |
| micahg | jdstrand: heh, idk what the procedure is since we reference a USN in the changelog w/out actually publishing the USN | 22:52 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I might be in a pickle w/lighnting | 22:53 |
| chrisccoulson | i suppose there is no urgency to push 3.0.5 if there are no CVE's disclosed | 22:53 |
| jdstrand | micahg: can we at least confirm it is security relevant? | 22:53 |
| micahg | jdstrand: yes, some of the same CVEs as FF3.5.10 | 22:53 |
| micahg | jdstrand: not all though as JS is disabled by default | 22:54 |
| jdstrand | micahg: ok, then I can give you a USN | 22:54 |
| micahg | jdstrand: no, there's one in the changelog already :) | 22:54 |
| jdstrand | micahg: it can sit in the ppa until they disclose them | 22:54 |
| * micahg did this last month | 22:54 | |
| jdstrand | micahg: oh right. ok, then fine. we just won't push until they disclose | 22:54 |
| micahg | jdstrand: k | 22:54 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: so, lightning 1.0b2 won't work w/TB3.1 and 1.0b1 won't work with TB3.0 | 22:55 |
| micahg | OOPs | 22:55 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: switch those | 22:55 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: so it seems like I have to package lightning before I can push TB3.1 to maverick or I can't backport | 22:55 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. that's a bit of a pain | 22:57 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: so, would it be ok to push off TB 3.1 to beta? | 22:57 |
| chrisccoulson | we could push it off a bit, but i wouldn't want to delay it for too long | 22:59 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I can shoot for the beginning of the beta cycle, daily builds are still scheduled for alpha3 | 22:59 |
| micahg | jdstrand: would it be a problem to push Thunderbird 3.0.5 before we push to Lucid/Maverick? | 23:05 |
| micahg | jdstrand: oops, I meant to PPA | 23:05 |
| jdstrand | micahg: can you rephrase? | 23:05 |
| micahg | jdstrand: would it be ok for me to push to the thunderbird-stable PPA? | 23:06 |
| micahg | jdstrand: before we push to archive? | 23:06 |
| jdstrand | micahg: not at all. as long is it complies with upstream policy | 23:06 |
| jdstrand | wait | 23:07 |
| jdstrand | hehe | 23:07 |
| jdstrand | micahg: it is totally ok to push to ppa | 23:07 |
| micahg | jdstrand: k, it's the team PPA, so I think we're good on upstream policy as well | 23:07 |
| jdstrand | micahg: you rephrased but I answered with your original 'would it be a problem' phrasing :) | 23:07 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'll push TB3.0.5 to the tb-stable PPA, archive can wait :) | 23:08 |
| * micahg needs to learn how to run fta's bot :) | 23:08 | |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: fyi, only problem with firefox on karmic is the openjdk one (excepting the extensions we talked about) | 23:08 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - thanks | 23:09 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand, that's good :) | 23:09 |
| jdstrand | well, that I found anyway :) | 23:09 |
| micahg | jdstrand: chrisccoulson: should we try a full backport of openjdk? | 23:09 |
| jdstrand | I figured it could be fixed like chrisccoulson fixed it before, but I'll let you guys decide | 23:09 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure if we'll need that yet, i need to have a look at what the problem is | 23:10 |
| micahg | jdstrand: well, before it was a separate package, I have the commit though for the main xul192 changes | 23:10 |
| jdstrand | I see. I defer to chrisccoulson | 23:10 |
| jdstrand | a full backport seems pretty heavy-handed if all we need to do is tweak a path or something. but I still defer to chrisccoulson :) | 23:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll have a look in a bit. i'm just about to do a hardy -> lucid upgrade, so i can't do anything with karmic just yet | 23:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (my laptop won't handle 2 kvm's ;) ) | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | heh | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | I typically run 4-5 concurrently for a given security update | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | though for this, only 2 (i386 and amd64) for a given release | 23:13 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: let me know, the openjdk PPA should have a backported karmic build, I can do that once I finish my hardy stuff | 23:13 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand, i need a faster machine ;) | 23:13 |
| chrisccoulson | i didn't realise how much my laptop would struggle when i purchased it | 23:14 |
| * micahg wants a laptop w/8GB of RAM :) | 23:14 | |
| jdstrand | if you have sata, the intel ssd would probably help the most | 23:16 |
| * micahg has sata | 23:16 | |
| jdstrand | (ie, I can test a desktop with 384M vm fine-- so even a couple of gig of ram is ok) | 23:16 |
| jdstrand | it is expensive, but man is it nice | 23:16 |
| * micahg is hitting .5GB of swap during normal usage w/4GB RAM | 23:17 | |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i was thinking of getting a ssd. the harddrive in my laptop is really the bottleneck | 23:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm using a lot of swap in normal usage too, on both of my machines | 23:17 |
| jdstrand | wow | 23:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm sure the lucid kernel is leaking memory :/ | 23:17 |
| jdstrand | I swap very little and I have 4G | 23:18 |
| jdstrand | :( | 23:18 |
| chrisccoulson | if i leave my desktop on all weekend, then it's usually unusable by monday (the oom killer has done it's work) | 23:18 |
| micahg | TB apparently has a leak, there's a bug report I haven't gotten to yet, BTW, I use Xfce on top of it :) | 23:18 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't find anything in userspace that leaks memory on my desktop, but i can leave it on all weekend and it's used up all 2GB of RAM and 3GB of swap with just a single session and no applications open | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | and there's nothing that appears to be using all that :/ | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | but that happens on my laptop too, i just reboot it more often | 23:20 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: could it be X + your video driver? | 23:21 |
| chrisccoulson | i thought so, but both machines have different video drivers | 23:21 |
| chrisccoulson | and restarting Xorg doesn't free up the memory | 23:21 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: well, what's using the memory when you come back to it? | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | nothing, that's the problem. if i look at the applications that are running, there's nothing that's using an abnormal amount of memory | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | but if i look at the output of free, then it shows there is nothing left | 23:22 |
| chrisccoulson | (and only a couple of MB of the used memory is cache) | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | and the swap is full | 23:23 |
| chrisccoulson | and eventually the oom killer just kicks in | 23:23 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: ping | 23:40 |
| micahg | bdrung__: pong | 23:41 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: can you show me some more complex work you did? | 23:41 |
| micahg | bdrung__: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/2.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | 23:43 |
| micahg | bdrung__: here's a smaller, more complex one: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird-locales/1:3.0-0ubuntu1 | 23:45 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: so, the apparmor profile is disabled on the karmic upgrade | 23:46 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: ie, if someone enabled it in 3.5, then upgrades to 3.6, then it is disabled | 23:46 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, that's not meant to happen is it? | 23:46 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I'll need to look at this more closely tomorrow | 23:46 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 23:46 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: it tries to be smart, but it never accounted for the 3.6 transition | 23:47 |
| micahg | jdstrand: chrisccoulson: there's a version check because of a snafu in the early 3.6 biulds | 23:47 |
| * micahg thinks | 23:47 | |
| jdstrand | yeah. I'll work on it tomorrow | 23:47 |
| jdstrand | I'm fairly frazzled atm | 23:47 |
| jdstrand | :) | 23:47 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: the basic idea is the profile should be disabled on new installs. if the user later enables it, it should stay enabled on upgrades | 23:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that makes sense | 23:48 |
| jdstrand | that very simple statement is surprisingly hard to get right, esp. with the shared debian/ directory... | 23:49 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: looking at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39334337/thunderbird-locales_1%3A2.0.0.14%2B1-0ubuntu2_1%3A3.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz, using PATH_TO_RDF=usr/share/thunderbird-locale-$${CURLOCALESMALL}/install.rdf is not save | 23:49 |
| bdrung__ | you should call install-xpi with -i to specify the path! | 23:50 |
| micahg | bdrung__: k, well, I want to install in the appropriate path | 23:53 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: i changed the default path from /usr/share/$package to /usr/share/xul-ext/$package-without-xul-ext | 23:53 |
| micahg | bdrung__: ah, was that in 0.23? | 23:54 |
| bdrung__ | in 0.21 | 23:54 |
| bdrung__ | "Install extensions into xul-ext subdirectory" | 23:54 |
| * micahg thinks that was fixed in the next upload | 23:55 | |
| micahg | bdrung__: yes, I fixed that after you made the change :) | 23:55 |
| micahg | bdrung__: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird-locales/1:3.0.4-0ubuntu1 | 23:56 |
| bdrung__ | :) | 23:56 |
| micahg | bdrung__: yeah, I remember the discussion and we decided to keep the previous path in Lucid since we were so close to release, I might revert that in Maverick | 23:57 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: one suggestion: have the xpi files extracted in the source tarball. then you can patch the install.rdf files with quilt before building. | 23:58 |
| asac | ho! | 23:58 |
| micahg | bdrung__: you mean, build a *real* source tarball? :) | 23:58 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: yes ;) | 23:58 |
| micahg | hi asac, can you comment on my developer app? | 23:58 |
| micahg | bdrung__: if I have time to rework the package this cycle, I'll try it :) | 23:59 |
| bdrung__ | micahg: we have a bunch of xpi-* scripts for that | 23:59 |
| asac | micahg: when is the meeting? | 23:59 |
| micahg | bdrung__: ah, ok | 23:59 |
| bdrung__ | hi asac | 23:59 |
| micahg | asac: Tuesday | 23:59 |
| asac | hey bdrung__ | 23:59 |
| asac | micahg: thats enough time to remind me again ;) ... sorry. i will do it next time i am awake! | 23:59 |
| micahg | asac: k, np | 23:59 |
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