| Riddell | lex79: you failed to put your lucid proposed update in bzr then :) | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| lex79 | Riddell: it's always your fault :P | 00:02 |
| lex79 | Just kidding :) | 00:03 |
| lex79 | btw it's in bzr now | 00:03 |
| * nigelb wonders what maco's been talking about me | 04:16 | |
| nigelb | ooh, xkcd :) | 04:17 |
| nixternal | oi oi! | 04:31 |
| nigelb | hey nixternal ! | 04:52 |
| nixternal | hola | 04:54 |
| Adri2000 | hi | 09:39 |
| Adri2000 | I've got a question about the kubuntu-default-settings package; it's possible that the answer is obvious, but I can't find it :) how does /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh end up in ~/.kde/env/ ? | 09:41 |
| Riddell | Adri2000: we patch /usr/bin/startkde to copy it over | 09:44 |
| Riddell | not terribly elegant, but well, it's gtk | 09:45 |
| Adri2000 | eheh :p so it's there, ok, thanks! | 09:47 |
| Riddell | agateau: hmm still getting some funny behaviour with menu widget | 10:53 |
| Riddell | I added it three times by accident and one of them picked up the menu ok | 10:53 |
| Riddell | then I removed two of them and the remaining one didn't pick up the menu, just stayed with window menu | 10:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: mmm, I haven't tested that | 10:54 |
| Riddell | then I removed that and added another one and it picks up the menu titles but not the menu entries | 10:54 |
| agateau | Is it the menubar of a gtk app? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | nope | 10:55 |
| agateau | which app is it? | 10:55 |
| Riddell | dolphin, konsole, whatever | 10:57 |
| Riddell | logged out and in again now and it's working fine | 10:57 |
| Riddell | quite a bit of delay and flicker changing applications | 10:57 |
| agateau | yes, the flicker is a known bug | 10:58 |
| ghostcube | o/ | 11:00 |
| ghostcube | hmmm, i read a bit about the client side windowdecorations | 11:01 |
| ghostcube | is this rally going to happen? | 11:01 |
| ghostcube | *e | 11:01 |
| Riddell | I expect so | 11:04 |
| Riddell | not in KDE though | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | well then | 11:08 |
| * apachelogger created 7k SLOC yesterday until this morning around 5 and yet it was not enough | 11:08 | |
| Riddell | agateau: what is /src/3rdparty/dbusmenu-qt/update.sh ? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | it seems to have appeared during the build process | 11:18 |
| agateau | Riddell: a simple script to help me synchronise the copy of dbusmenu-qt | 11:18 |
| Riddell | ah I think I failed to do quilt add, silly me | 11:19 |
| Riddell | agateau: menu bar doesn't adapt too well if I shrink the height of the panel | 11:36 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: so only in gnome? hmm ok this would result in bad work for the compizianers :) | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/open-letter-the-issues-with-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/technical-limitations-of-client-side-decorations/ | 11:57 |
| ghostcube | i rad his blog | 11:57 |
| ghostcube | thats why i know aboput :D | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | well then :P | 11:57 |
| ghostcube | :P | 11:57 |
| ghostcube | and i know he hates it | 11:57 |
| * apachelogger too | 11:58 | |
| apachelogger | but for other reasons :P | 11:58 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, ScottK: added a patch to bug 586497 | 12:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 586497 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Maverick) "kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586497 | 12:22 |
| Riddell | also packagekit and kpackagekit 0.6 uploaded | 12:22 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 12:22 |
| ScottK | 586497 will be a little hard to test. | 12:23 |
| JontheEchidna | A bit time-consuming, maybe, but all you have to do is turn on a stock install and watch | 12:23 |
| JontheEchidna | ...yeah, hard to test :) | 12:24 |
| ScottK | The trick will be noticing if something got installed when you weren't looking. | 12:29 |
| ScottK | The pass case is relatively easy to detect. | 12:30 |
| Riddell | you'd need to watch out on the security notifications to see what's new | 12:30 |
| JontheEchidna | bbl | 12:32 |
| Riddell | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?r1=1129174&r2=1129173&pathrev=1129174&view=patch | 12:52 |
| Riddell | steveire: that patch doesn't apply to 4.4 | 13:01 |
| Riddell | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?revision=1129174&pathrev=1129174 | 13:01 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: I finally gor round to testing your update to kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff and it works | 13:12 |
| Riddell | thanks very much | 13:12 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: you understand this microblogging stuff, do you know why this guy spams me each week? http://identi.ca/hunleyd | 13:24 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: yes | 13:25 |
| Nightrose | because he doesn't understand the concept of follow friday | 13:25 |
| dpm | Riddell, what's the documentation system in KDE or Qt? In GNOME/gtk there is gnome-doc-utils, which defines the layout where docs go, the tools used to build translations, etc. I'm just wondering what's the equivalent for KDE/Qt | 13:25 |
| Nightrose | follow friday is meant to show cool other people to follow | 13:25 |
| Nightrose | but it makes close to zero sense to post the same people every time | 13:26 |
| Nightrose | i've been pondering giving him a hint for a while tbh | 13:26 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: awesome | 13:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I fixed 586497 to point at kpackagekit. | 13:48 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: When we are supposed to work on Kolab support in Kontact? | 13:52 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what's the secret? | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You have to open up one of the release tasks and edit it there. | 14:08 |
| Riddell | Quintasan|Szel: we're not ment to work on Kolab support in Kontact, upstream is. Kolab Sys are ment to send packages at some point to help with packaging | 14:09 |
| ScottK | It will then automagically change them both. | 14:09 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mm, ok | 14:09 |
| ScottK | Typical crap Launchpad design. | 14:09 |
| Riddell | dpm: kdoctools maybe? | 14:09 |
| Riddell | that has stylesheets and whatnot for turning docbook into html | 14:10 |
| dpm | Riddell, ok, I'll look into that, thanks! | 14:10 |
| Riddell | dpm: I find the exact khelpcentre format a bit undocumented, it needs .desktop files in the right place to point to html or docbook files | 14:12 |
| Riddell | dpm: Robert Ancell was asking if KDE would take up Mallard and nixternal said it would probably be a nice idea but there's nobody upstream to do the work | 14:12 |
| dpm | right. The reason I'm asking is because I see that pkgbinarymangler supports the gnome-doc-utils layout to strip documentation translations and put them as-is into language packs. The idea was to save space on the LiveCd by installing only the documentation in the languages included there, rather than translated documentation for all languages. I just thought it would make sense to do the same for KDE/Qt apps, if there is a standard layout | 14:15 |
| dpm | pitti pointed me to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/revision/35 for how it is done with apps following the gnome-doc-utils layout | 14:15 |
| Riddell | dpm: we already have docs split by language, they're in kde-l10n-xx and should get brought in by language-selector | 14:22 |
| Riddell | dpm: and given the problems we have with maintaining the pkgbinarymangler for application translations I'd be reluctant to make things more complex by making it to docs too | 14:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Kubuntu-docs could use this split, though. | 14:23 |
| dpm | Riddell, ah, that's true, I had completely forgotten about this. However, they are not split by language on kubuntu-docs | 14:23 |
| dpm | ah, ScottK was quicker than me :) | 14:23 |
| ScottK | Fortunately that's just one package, so the format is documented by the format of the package ... | 14:24 |
| txwikinger | Does anybody here know how the tagging of e-mail in kmail works? | 15:48 |
| a|wen | ScottK: no one got to it yet, so if you could have a look at sponsoring the new version of k3b that would be great; lp:~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu | 17:02 |
| ScottK | OK | 17:04 |
| a|wen | thanks | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer_ | o/ | 17:31 |
| * a|wen is heading out for a few days ... and wishes everyone a nice weekend | 17:36 | |
| ScottK | a|wen: Have a nice weekend. Assuming my test build succeeds I'll upload this. | 17:37 |
| a|wen | ScottK: thanks again! | 17:38 |
| ScottK | a|wen: No problem. Next week could you have a look at the k3b patches and see if any can get upstream? | 17:38 |
| a|wen | ScottK: sure; i'll add it to my todo | 17:39 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:40 |
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| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: anything left for me? :( | 17:42 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: I'm not sure. Checking the Universe plasma-widgets to see if they are up to date is probably a good idea. | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | whee :) | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: each of them has a package to themselves? | 17:44 |
| ScottK | Yes | 17:44 |
| ScottK | But they are all named plasma-widget-* | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | ok... | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: um... k3b is up for a merge in MoM | 17:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | ignore? | 17:47 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: Interesting. | 17:47 |
| ScottK | No. | 17:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | Hmmm | 17:48 |
| ScottK | Have a look at what's in bzr and see what needs changing. | 17:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | ill do konversation while im at it... | 17:48 |
| ScottK | I didn't upload yet. | 17:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | sure :) | 17:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: We had a mail about RC right? | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm debian has RC3 | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: so i guess merge RC3 and then update to RC4? | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: yum : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ch01wD4r | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | zomg.... konversation has a huge diff.... | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer | really really really really huge diff... | 18:26 |
| ScottK | We already had the rc3 merge from Debian. Their -2 is a change we already had, so the merge just affects debian/changelog | 18:29 |
| * shadeslayer_ checks out some slides by maco | 18:35 | |
| shadeslayer_ | maco: the latest one is pretty good... | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: Question about meta kde,in ubuntu it recommends hal,do we need that in maverick or can i remove it from control file? | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | since debian made put it in recommends instead | 18:40 |
| maco | shadeslayer: thanks | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | um | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: in ubuntu hal is a dep of meta kde... | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | maco: yaw :) | 18:40 |
| maco | shadeslayer: are you jumping between two different computers? | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | maco: nah.. this is my normal quassel window... the other account is on a core | 18:41 |
| shadeslayer | had the client open for a few mins to read the backlog :) | 18:41 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: For meta-kde, just follow Debian. We don't really maintain those packages in Kubuntu (they are Debian's KDE metapackages) except to change things that cause problems. | 18:41 |
| ScottK | If someone wants to remove HAL and run KDE, they are welcome to try. | 18:41 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: thanks :) | 18:41 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: still... removing it from dep and making it a recommend is pretty serious imo | 18:42 |
| ScottK | Not really. Recommends are installed by default, so someone would still need to make an effort to avoid it. | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok.. its suggests that dont get installed :) | 18:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 18:44 |
| lex79 | Riddell: plasma crashes with last libdbusmenu if you right click on the systray | 18:55 |
| Riddell | mm, work for me | 18:57 |
| Riddell | oh boom | 18:57 |
| Riddell | there it goes | 18:57 |
| lex79 | for instance on kmix doesn't show the menu and after a bit plasma crash :) | 18:58 |
| Riddell | yes I agree | 18:59 |
| Riddell | I'll e-mail aurelien | 18:59 |
| lex79 | ok | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: no need to merge meta-kde from debian right? diff here ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/451701/ | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | its a pretty useless merge imo... doesnt add anything new afaik | 19:06 |
| lex79 | we can do for 4.5 rc1 when we will need to bump kde-sc-dev-latest package | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | no point of doing it now... | 19:08 |
| neversfelde | evening | 19:10 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer: no, since rc1 will be release 23rd | 19:11 |
| lex79 | neversfelde: o/ | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: any news on the MIRs ? | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | neversfelde: hey :) | 19:11 |
| neversfelde | hi | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: how do you mark a bug as wishlist> | 19:12 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer: I think you can't if you aren't at least motu | 19:13 |
| lex79 | or MOTO | 19:13 |
| lex79 | :) | 19:13 |
| maco | bug control can | 19:13 |
| lex79 | right | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | hmm.. feel free to mark bug 595956 as wishlist | 19:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595956 | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | in case amarok doesnt have mp3 ripping support... dont really use amarok :P | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: also i dont think we need to merge kmymoney : http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kmymoney/kmymoney_3.98.1-2/changelog | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | whereas last ubuntu changelog shows we are using out doc install paths | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | s/out/our | 19:19 |
| lex79 | no, no need to merge only the changelog :) | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: just the changelog? whats the use of that? | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | oh nvm | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:20 |
| lex79 | :) | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | maco: btw who maintains the ubuntu wiki? | 19:23 |
| maco | shadeslayer: people | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | i need to contact them about a loooong pending issue/bug | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | maco: dont they have names? :P | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | like who is in charge of maintaining the moin moin stuff | 19:24 |
| maco | oh you mean not "who changes the text" but "who makes the server go"? | 19:24 |
| maco | #canonical-sysadmin | 19:24 |
| maco | well really, you should file a ticket on rt.ubuntu.com | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | maco: its already there | 19:24 |
| maco | and then when it gets ignored (pretty much inevitable), that channel is where you complain in a couple weeks | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | nobody cares... | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | heh.. its been months actually... | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | there are about 3-4 bugs and 2 tickets on it :P | 19:25 |
| maco | ok so now you're at the "whine in #canonical-sysadmin" stage | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 19:25 |
| * shadeslayer searches mail for ticker | 19:25 | |
| shadeslayer | *ticket | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | ah there we go... ticket no 37595 | 19:26 |
| shadeslayer | maco: that channel is dead :P | 19:33 |
| shadeslayer | i guess ill have to live with this :( | 19:34 |
| maco | its not dead | 19:36 |
| maco | they're just hiding | 19:36 |
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| shadeslayer | maco: why do they do that :P | 19:39 |
| * shadeslayer marks more kde stuff in universe as no need to merge | 19:40 | |
| maco | im kidding :P theyre working on other servery stuff or something | 19:40 |
| maco | or maybe theyre eating dinner. its dinner time in the UK | 19:40 |
| * maco looks at Riddell | 19:40 | |
| maco | i mean /tea/ time | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: any updates with the new kubuntu site? | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | or was ofirk being given a server to set it up the last one? | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | boo... all kde stuff done in MoM universe | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | well not webkitkde.. but im not that advanced a packager to do that :P | 19:43 |
| shtylman | shadeslayer: not really up to me | 19:44 |
| shtylman | ofirk is the guy to ask... and maybe Riddell | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: ok.. just checking if there were any updates :) | 19:45 |
| shtylman | shadeslayer: dunno... sorry :/ I wish there were | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 19:46 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: voila http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/# | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | omg omg omg :) | 20:24 |
| * shadeslayer hugs Riddell | 20:25 | |
| * shadeslayer pokes around new site | 20:25 | |
| shadeslayer | it looks better than ubuntu.com :P | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: may i suggest something? | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i would advise putting live chat above forums here : http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/community | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | apart from that the site is pretty much awesome | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: when is it going to be released ? | 20:29 |
| ScottK | It would be nice if the page we linked to about professional support actually mentioned Kubuntu as a supported product. | 20:31 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Does Canonical still do Kubuntu support contracts? | 20:32 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: can you mark bug 595956 as wishlist? | 20:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595956 | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | its being worked on by upstream... theres a link in my comment | 20:35 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: my english ist not as good as it should be, so I will not answer on the MOTU list because it is a sensible topic. In general I agreee with your opinion. | 20:37 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: OK. FYI, I think you mean sensitive, not sensible. | 20:38 |
| ScottK | Thanks for letting me know. | 20:38 |
| neversfelde | yes :) | 20:38 |
| jussi | ScottK: I would assume so, as they support anything thats in main, no? | 20:41 |
| ScottK | jussi: Not exactly. "Supported" as in provide security fixes yes. "Supported" as in you can buy a support contract for that, not necessarily. | 20:41 |
| ScottK | As an example, there's a raft of packages that are only in Main becuase Canonical uses them internally. | 20:42 |
| jussi | ScottK: I was under the impressin if you bought a standard ubuntu support contract you got support for whats in main... but I could be wrong | 20:42 |
| ScottK | I don't think so, but I could be wrong too. | 20:42 |
| Riddell | shtylman: e-mail ofir with suggestions | 20:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: ^^ rather | 20:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: it'll be done when ofir says so I think | 20:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes Canonical supports Kubuntu | 20:50 |
| Riddell | jussi: no they don't support everything in main, only a subset e.g. apt-cache show konqueror says Supported: 18m for maverick | 20:51 |
| jussi | oh | 20:52 |
| jussi | Riddell: how long are you planning on staying? | 20:52 |
| jussi | also, who is our web guy? I think we should have a link to the canonical store on the kubuntu.org website... | 20:53 |
| Riddell | jussi: just a night | 20:53 |
| jussi | Riddell: then back to tampere? | 20:54 |
| Riddell | yes | 20:54 |
| Riddell | jussi: e-mail klinger.ofir @gmail.com with suggestions for http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/ | 20:54 |
| jussi | Riddell: we were thinking of heading to Jyvaskyhla (closh'ish to tampere) on the friday - could take you along. | 20:54 |
| Riddell | is it exciting | 20:55 |
| Riddell | I need to register for Akademy at some point | 20:55 |
| maco | Riddell: can you take some maple syrup to akademy with you? | 20:55 |
| maco | Riddell: blauzahl wants to show the indian kde people what pancakes are | 20:55 |
| jussi | Riddell: hehe... not really - its a religious festival/conference - unless you are interested in that. but Was thinking it would cheapen your trip somewhat | 20:56 |
| jussi | If we drop you at Jyväskylä trainstation as opposed to going from oulu | 20:56 |
| Riddell | jussi: oh, by car? | 20:56 |
| jussi | Riddell: yes | 20:56 |
| jussi | Riddell: oh, and Ill have my UK order form to you soon :D | 20:57 |
| Riddell | jussi: yes I think Jyväskylä would be most helpful | 20:57 |
| jussi | Riddell: exceelent! | 20:58 |
| Riddell | I'm travelling by ryanair so large quantities of goods being brought are unlikely | 20:58 |
| jussi | aww | 20:59 |
| Riddell | running low on Marmite is it? | 20:59 |
| jussi | I dont suppose you can get your hands on beef sausages... you just cant buy them here... | 20:59 |
| jussi | nah, the vegemite supply is ok | 20:59 |
| Riddell | maco: I prefer lemon curd with my pancakes | 21:00 |
| jussi | its the fresh stuff thats the hardest to get, beef sausages, double cream etc | 21:00 |
| jussi | Maple syrup on bacon pancakes.... NOM! | 21:00 |
| Riddell | jussi: you've started a debate in the flat about why beef and cream would be in short supply in Finland, do they have no cows? | 21:04 |
| jussi | Riddell: no,, they just dont understand the concept of fresh sausages (only really have these hotdog style ones) and there is lots of cream, just not double cream | 21:05 |
| * jussi shrugs | 21:05 | |
| * jussi grumbes... stupid canonical store wont let me buy stuff | 21:06 | |
| txwikinger | jussi: just tell them to sent it to you.. no need of buying :D | 21:16 |
| jussi | txwikinger: I think Ill grumble at people | 21:19 |
| txwikinger | Yeah.. they certainly like that :) | 21:19 |
| * shadeslayer grumbles as kmail is stuck at 35 pc mail download | 22:04 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: kptc finally made it in :) | 22:29 |
| shadeslayer | one qtcreator upload closed 3 bugs :P | 23:39 |
| ScottK | Nice | 23:53 |
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