Riddelllex79: you failed to put your lucid proposed update in bzr then :)00:01
lex79Riddell: it's always your fault :P00:02
lex79Just kidding :)00:03
lex79btw it's in bzr now00:03
* nigelb wonders what maco's been talking about me04:16
nigelbooh, xkcd :)04:17
nixternaloi oi!04:31
nigelbhey nixternal !04:52
Adri2000I've got a question about the kubuntu-default-settings package; it's possible that the answer is obvious, but I can't find it :) how does /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh end up in ~/.kde/env/ ?09:41
RiddellAdri2000: we patch /usr/bin/startkde to copy it over09:44
Riddellnot terribly elegant, but well, it's gtk09:45
Adri2000eheh :p so it's there, ok, thanks!09:47
Riddellagateau: hmm still getting some funny behaviour with menu widget10:53
RiddellI added it three times by accident and one of them picked up the menu ok10:53
Riddellthen I removed two of them and the remaining one didn't pick up the menu, just stayed with window menu10:53
agateauRiddell: mmm, I haven't tested that10:54
Riddellthen I removed that and added another one and it picks up the menu titles but not the menu entries10:54
agateauIs it the menubar of a gtk app?10:54
agateauwhich app is it?10:55
Riddelldolphin, konsole, whatever10:57
Riddelllogged out and in again now and it's working fine10:57
Riddellquite a bit of delay and flicker changing applications10:57
agateauyes, the flicker is a known bug10:58
ghostcubehmmm, i read a bit about the client side windowdecorations11:01
ghostcubeis this rally going to happen?11:01
RiddellI expect so11:04
Riddellnot in KDE though11:04
apacheloggerwell then11:08
* apachelogger created 7k SLOC yesterday until this morning around 5 and yet it was not enough11:08
Riddellagateau: what is /src/3rdparty/dbusmenu-qt/update.sh ?11:18
Riddellit seems to have appeared during the build process11:18
agateauRiddell: a simple script to help me synchronise the copy of dbusmenu-qt11:18
Riddellah I think I failed to do quilt add, silly me11:19
Riddellagateau: menu bar doesn't adapt too well if I shrink the height of the panel11:36
ghostcubeRiddell: so only in gnome? hmm ok this would result in bad work for the compizianers :)11:55
apacheloggerghostcube: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/open-letter-the-issues-with-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/technical-limitations-of-client-side-decorations/11:57
ghostcubei rad his blog 11:57
ghostcubethats why i know aboput :D11:57
apacheloggerwell then :P11:57
ghostcubeand i know he hates it11:57
* apachelogger too11:58
apacheloggerbut for other reasons :P11:58
RiddellJontheEchidna, ScottK: added a patch to bug 58649712:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 586497 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Maverick) "kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58649712:22
Riddellalso packagekit and kpackagekit 0.6 uploaded12:22
ScottK586497 will be a little hard to test.12:23
JontheEchidnaA bit time-consuming, maybe, but all you have to do is turn on a stock install and watch12:23
JontheEchidna...yeah, hard to test :)12:24
ScottKThe trick will be noticing if something got installed when you weren't looking.12:29
ScottKThe pass case is relatively easy to detect.12:30
Riddellyou'd need to watch out on the security notifications to see what's new12:30
RiddellRiddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?r1=1129174&r2=1129173&pathrev=1129174&view=patch12:52
Riddellsteveire: that patch doesn't apply to 4.413:01
RiddellRiddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?revision=1129174&pathrev=112917413:01
RiddellQuintasan: I finally gor round to testing your update to kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff and it works13:12
Riddellthanks very much13:12
RiddellNightrose: you understand this microblogging stuff, do you know why this guy spams me each week? http://identi.ca/hunleyd13:24
NightroseRiddell: yes13:25
Nightrosebecause he doesn't understand the concept of follow friday13:25
dpmRiddell, what's the documentation system in KDE or Qt? In GNOME/gtk there is gnome-doc-utils, which defines the layout where docs go, the tools used to build translations, etc. I'm just wondering what's the equivalent for KDE/Qt13:25
Nightrosefollow friday is meant to show cool other people to follow13:25
Nightrosebut it makes close to zero sense to post the same people every time13:26
Nightrosei've been pondering giving him a hint for a while tbh13:26
QuintasanRiddell: awesome13:41
ScottKRiddell: I fixed 586497 to point at kpackagekit.13:48
QuintasanRiddell: When we are supposed to work on Kolab support in Kontact?13:52
RiddellScottK: what's the secret?14:08
ScottKRiddell: You have to open up one of the release tasks and edit it there.14:08
RiddellQuintasan|Szel: we're not ment to work on Kolab support in Kontact, upstream is.  Kolab Sys are ment to send packages at some point to help with packaging14:09
ScottKIt will then automagically change them both.14:09
RiddellScottK: mm, ok14:09
ScottKTypical crap Launchpad design.14:09
Riddelldpm: kdoctools maybe?14:09
Riddellthat has stylesheets and whatnot for turning docbook into html14:10
dpmRiddell, ok, I'll look into that, thanks!14:10
Riddelldpm: I find the exact khelpcentre format a bit undocumented, it needs .desktop files in the right place to point to html or docbook files14:12
Riddelldpm: Robert Ancell was asking if KDE would take up Mallard and nixternal said it would probably be a nice idea but there's nobody upstream to do the work14:12
dpmright. The reason I'm asking is because I see that pkgbinarymangler supports the gnome-doc-utils layout to strip documentation translations and put them as-is into language packs. The idea was to save space on the LiveCd by installing only the documentation in the languages included there, rather than translated documentation for all languages. I just thought it would make sense to do the same for KDE/Qt apps, if there is a standard layout14:15
dpmpitti pointed me to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/revision/35 for how it is done with apps following the gnome-doc-utils layout14:15
Riddelldpm: we already have docs split by language, they're in kde-l10n-xx and should get brought in by language-selector14:22
Riddelldpm: and given the problems we have with maintaining the pkgbinarymangler for application translations I'd be reluctant to make things more complex by making it to docs too14:22
ScottKRiddell: Kubuntu-docs could use this split, though.14:23
dpmRiddell, ah, that's true, I had completely forgotten about this. However, they are not split by language on kubuntu-docs14:23
dpmah, ScottK was quicker than me :)14:23
ScottKFortunately that's just one package, so the format is documented by the format of the package ...14:24
txwikingerDoes anybody here know how the tagging of e-mail in kmail works?15:48
a|wenScottK: no one got to it yet, so if you could have a look at sponsoring the new version of k3b that would be great; lp:~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu17:02
* a|wen is heading out for a few days ... and wishes everyone a nice weekend17:36
ScottKa|wen: Have a nice weekend.  Assuming my test build succeeds I'll upload this.17:37
a|wenScottK: thanks again!17:38
ScottKa|wen: No problem.  Next week could you have a look at the k3b patches and see if any can get upstream?17:38
a|wenScottK: sure; i'll add it to my todo17:39
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shadeslayer_ScottK: anything left for me? :(17:42
ScottKshadeslayer_: I'm not sure.  Checking the Universe plasma-widgets to see if they are up to date is probably a good idea.17:43
shadeslayer_whee :)17:43
shadeslayer_ScottK: each of them has a package to themselves? 17:44
ScottKBut they are all named plasma-widget-*17:45
shadeslayer_ScottK: um... k3b is up for a merge in MoM17:47
ScottKshadeslayer_: Interesting.17:47
ScottKHave a look at what's in bzr and see what needs changing.17:48
shadeslayer_ill do konversation while im at it...17:48
ScottKI didn't upload yet.17:48
shadeslayer_sure :)17:48
shadeslayer_ScottK: We had a mail about RC right?17:49
shadeslayer_hmm debian has RC317:49
shadeslayer_ScottK: so i guess merge RC3 and then update to RC4?17:52
shadeslayer_ScottK: yum : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ch01wD4r18:17
shadeslayerzomg.... konversation has a huge diff....18:26
shadeslayerreally really really really huge diff...18:26
ScottKWe already had the rc3 merge from Debian.  Their -2 is a change we already had, so the merge just affects debian/changelog18:29
* shadeslayer_ checks out some slides by maco18:35
shadeslayer_maco: the latest one is pretty good... 18:36
shadeslayerScottK: Question about meta kde,in ubuntu it recommends hal,do we need that in maverick or can i remove it from control file?18:39
shadeslayersince debian made put it in recommends instead18:40
macoshadeslayer: thanks18:40
shadeslayerScottK: in ubuntu hal is a dep of meta kde...18:40
shadeslayermaco: yaw :)18:40
macoshadeslayer: are you jumping between two different computers?18:40
shadeslayermaco: nah.. this is my normal quassel window... the other account is on a core 18:41
shadeslayerhad the client open for a few mins to read the backlog :)18:41
ScottKshadeslayer: For meta-kde, just follow Debian.  We don't really maintain those packages in Kubuntu (they are Debian's KDE metapackages) except to change things that cause problems.18:41
ScottKIf someone wants to remove HAL and run KDE, they are welcome to try.18:41
shadeslayerScottK: thanks :)18:41
shadeslayerScottK: still... removing it from dep and making it a recommend is pretty serious imo18:42
ScottKNot really.  Recommends are installed by default, so someone would still need to make an effort to avoid it.18:43
shadeslayerah ok.. its suggests that dont get installed :)18:43
lex79Riddell: plasma crashes with last libdbusmenu if you right click on the systray18:55
Riddellmm, work for me18:57
Riddelloh boom18:57
Riddellthere it goes18:57
lex79for instance on kmix doesn't show the menu and after a bit plasma crash :)18:58
Riddellyes I agree18:59
RiddellI'll e-mail aurelien18:59
shadeslayerlex79: no need to merge meta-kde from debian right? diff here ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/451701/19:04
shadeslayerits a pretty useless merge imo... doesnt add anything new afaik19:06
lex79we can do for 4.5 rc1 when we will need to bump kde-sc-dev-latest package19:07
shadeslayerno point of doing it now...19:08
lex79shadeslayer: no, since rc1 will be release 23rd19:11
lex79neversfelde: o/19:11
shadeslayerRiddell: any news on the MIRs ?19:11
shadeslayerneversfelde: hey :)19:11
shadeslayerlex79: how do you mark a bug as wishlist>19:12
lex79shadeslayer: I think you can't if you aren't at least motu19:13
lex79or MOTO19:13
macobug control can19:13
shadeslayerhmm.. feel free to mark bug 595956 as wishlist 19:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59595619:14
shadeslayerin case amarok doesnt have mp3 ripping support...  dont really use amarok :P19:15
shadeslayerlex79: also i dont think we need to merge kmymoney : http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kmymoney/kmymoney_3.98.1-2/changelog19:18
shadeslayerwhereas last ubuntu changelog shows we are using out doc install paths19:19
lex79no, no need to merge only the changelog :)19:19
shadeslayerlex79: just the changelog? whats the use of that?19:20
shadeslayeroh nvm19:20
shadeslayermaco: btw who maintains the ubuntu wiki?19:23
macoshadeslayer: people19:23
shadeslayeri need to contact them about a loooong pending issue/bug19:23
shadeslayermaco: dont they have names? :P19:23
shadeslayerlike who is in charge of maintaining the moin moin stuff19:24
macooh you mean not "who changes the text" but "who makes the server go"?19:24
macowell really, you should file a ticket on rt.ubuntu.com19:24
shadeslayermaco: its already there19:24
macoand then when it gets ignored (pretty much inevitable), that channel is where you complain in a couple weeks19:24
shadeslayernobody cares...19:24
shadeslayerheh.. its been months actually...19:24
shadeslayerthere are about 3-4 bugs and 2 tickets on it :P19:25
macook so now you're at the "whine in #canonical-sysadmin" stage19:25
* shadeslayer searches mail for ticker19:25
shadeslayerah there we go... ticket no 3759519:26
shadeslayermaco: that channel is dead :P19:33
shadeslayeri guess ill have to live with this :(19:34
macoits not dead19:36
macothey're just hiding19:36
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
shadeslayermaco: why do they do that :P19:39
* shadeslayer marks more kde stuff in universe as no need to merge19:40
macoim kidding :P theyre working on other servery stuff or something19:40
macoor maybe theyre eating dinner. its dinner time in the UK19:40
* maco looks at Riddell19:40
macoi mean /tea/ time19:40
shadeslayershtylman: any updates with the new kubuntu site? 19:41
shadeslayeror was ofirk being given a server to set it up the last one?19:41
shadeslayerboo... all kde stuff done in MoM universe19:42
shadeslayerwell not webkitkde.. but im not that advanced a packager to do that :P19:43
shtylmanshadeslayer: not really up to me19:44
shtylmanofirk is the guy to ask... and maybe Riddell19:45
shadeslayershtylman: ok.. just checking if there were any updates :)19:45
shtylmanshadeslayer: dunno... sorry :/ I wish there were19:46
Riddellshadeslayer: voila http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/#20:24
shadeslayeromg omg omg :)20:24
* shadeslayer hugs Riddell20:25
* shadeslayer pokes around new site20:25
shadeslayerit looks better than ubuntu.com :P20:25
shadeslayerRiddell: may i suggest something?20:26
shadeslayerRiddell: i would advise putting live chat above forums here : http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/community20:26
shadeslayerapart from that the site is pretty much awesome 20:28
shadeslayerRiddell: when is it going to be released ?20:29
ScottKIt would be nice if the page we linked to about professional support actually mentioned Kubuntu as a supported product.20:31
ScottKRiddell: Does Canonical still do Kubuntu support contracts?20:32
shadeslayerScottK: can you mark bug 595956 as wishlist?20:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59595620:34
shadeslayerits being worked on by upstream... theres a link in my comment20:35
neversfeldeScottK: my english ist not as good as it should be, so I will not answer on the MOTU list because it is a sensible topic. In general I agreee with your opinion. 20:37
ScottKneversfelde: OK.  FYI, I think you mean sensitive, not sensible.20:38
ScottKThanks for letting me know.20:38
neversfeldeyes :)20:38
jussiScottK: I would assume so, as they support anything thats in main, no?20:41
ScottKjussi: Not exactly.  "Supported" as in provide security fixes yes.  "Supported" as in you can buy a support contract for that, not necessarily.20:41
ScottKAs an example, there's a raft of packages that are only in Main becuase Canonical uses them internally.20:42
jussiScottK: I was under the impressin if you bought a standard ubuntu support contract you got support for whats in main... but I could be wrong20:42
ScottKI don't think so, but I could be wrong too.20:42
Riddellshtylman: e-mail ofir with suggestions20:49
Riddellshadeslayer_: ^^ rather20:50
Riddellshadeslayer_: it'll be done when ofir says so I think20:50
RiddellScottK: yes Canonical supports Kubuntu20:50
Riddelljussi: no they don't support everything in main, only a subset e.g. apt-cache show konqueror says Supported: 18m for maverick20:51
jussiRiddell: how long are you planning on staying?20:52
jussialso, who is our web guy? I think we should have a link to the canonical store on the kubuntu.org website...20:53
Riddelljussi: just a night20:53
jussiRiddell: then back to tampere?20:54
Riddelljussi: e-mail klinger.ofir @gmail.com with suggestions for http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/20:54
jussiRiddell: we were thinking of heading to Jyvaskyhla (closh'ish to tampere) on the friday - could take you along. 20:54
Riddellis it exciting20:55
RiddellI need to register for Akademy at some point20:55
macoRiddell: can you take some maple syrup to akademy with you?20:55
macoRiddell: blauzahl wants to show the indian kde people what pancakes are20:55
jussiRiddell: hehe... not really - its a religious festival/conference - unless you are interested in that. but Was thinking it would cheapen your trip somewhat20:56
jussiIf we drop you at Jyväskylä trainstation as opposed to going from oulu20:56
Riddelljussi: oh, by car?20:56
jussiRiddell: yes20:56
jussiRiddell: oh, and Ill have my UK order form to you soon :D20:57
Riddelljussi: yes I think Jyväskylä would be most helpful20:57
jussiRiddell: exceelent!20:58
RiddellI'm travelling by ryanair so large quantities of goods being brought are unlikely20:58
Riddellrunning low on Marmite is it?20:59
jussiI dont suppose you can get your hands on beef sausages... you just cant buy them here...20:59
jussinah, the vegemite supply is ok20:59
Riddellmaco: I prefer lemon curd with my pancakes21:00
jussiits the fresh stuff thats the hardest to get, beef sausages, double cream etc21:00
jussiMaple syrup on bacon pancakes.... NOM!21:00
Riddelljussi: you've started a debate in the flat about why beef and cream would be in short supply in Finland, do they have no cows?21:04
jussiRiddell: no,, they just dont understand the concept of fresh sausages (only really have these hotdog style ones) and there is lots of cream, just not double cream21:05
* jussi shrugs21:05
* jussi grumbes... stupid canonical store wont let me buy stuff21:06
txwikingerjussi: just tell them to sent it to you.. no need of buying :D21:16
jussitxwikinger: I think Ill grumble at people21:19
txwikingerYeah.. they certainly like that :)21:19
* shadeslayer grumbles as kmail is stuck at 35 pc mail download22:04
shadeslayerRiddell: kptc finally made it in :)22:29
shadeslayerone qtcreator upload closed 3 bugs :P23:39

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