[00:01] lex79: you failed to put your lucid proposed update in bzr then :) [00:02] Riddell: it's always your fault :P [00:03] Just kidding :) [00:03] btw it's in bzr now [04:16] * nigelb wonders what maco's been talking about me [04:17] ooh, xkcd :) [04:31] oi oi! [04:52] hey nixternal ! [04:54] hola [09:39] hi [09:41] I've got a question about the kubuntu-default-settings package; it's possible that the answer is obvious, but I can't find it :) how does /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh end up in ~/.kde/env/ ? [09:44] Adri2000: we patch /usr/bin/startkde to copy it over [09:45] not terribly elegant, but well, it's gtk [09:47] eheh :p so it's there, ok, thanks! [10:53] agateau: hmm still getting some funny behaviour with menu widget [10:53] I added it three times by accident and one of them picked up the menu ok [10:53] then I removed two of them and the remaining one didn't pick up the menu, just stayed with window menu [10:54] Riddell: mmm, I haven't tested that [10:54] then I removed that and added another one and it picks up the menu titles but not the menu entries [10:54] Is it the menubar of a gtk app? [10:55] nope [10:55] which app is it? [10:57] dolphin, konsole, whatever [10:57] logged out and in again now and it's working fine [10:57] quite a bit of delay and flicker changing applications [10:58] yes, the flicker is a known bug [11:00] o/ [11:01] hmmm, i read a bit about the client side windowdecorations [11:01] is this rally going to happen? [11:01] *e [11:04] I expect so [11:04] not in KDE though [11:08] well then [11:08] * apachelogger created 7k SLOC yesterday until this morning around 5 and yet it was not enough [11:18] agateau: what is /src/3rdparty/dbusmenu-qt/update.sh ? [11:18] it seems to have appeared during the build process [11:18] Riddell: a simple script to help me synchronise the copy of dbusmenu-qt [11:19] ah I think I failed to do quilt add, silly me [11:36] agateau: menu bar doesn't adapt too well if I shrink the height of the panel [11:55] Riddell: so only in gnome? hmm ok this would result in bad work for the compizianers :) [11:57] ghostcube: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/open-letter-the-issues-with-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/technical-limitations-of-client-side-decorations/ [11:57] i rad his blog [11:57] thats why i know aboput :D [11:57] well then :P [11:57] :P [11:57] and i know he hates it [11:58] * apachelogger too [11:58] but for other reasons :P [12:22] JontheEchidna, ScottK: added a patch to bug 586497 [12:22] Launchpad bug 586497 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Maverick) "kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586497 [12:22] also packagekit and kpackagekit 0.6 uploaded [12:22] Cool. [12:23] 586497 will be a little hard to test. [12:23] A bit time-consuming, maybe, but all you have to do is turn on a stock install and watch [12:24] ...yeah, hard to test :) [12:29] The trick will be noticing if something got installed when you weren't looking. [12:30] The pass case is relatively easy to detect. [12:30] you'd need to watch out on the security notifications to see what's new [12:32] bbl [12:52] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?r1=1129174&r2=1129173&pathrev=1129174&view=patch [13:01] steveire: that patch doesn't apply to 4.4 [13:01] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?revision=1129174&pathrev=1129174 [13:12] Quintasan: I finally gor round to testing your update to kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff and it works [13:12] thanks very much [13:24] Nightrose: you understand this microblogging stuff, do you know why this guy spams me each week? http://identi.ca/hunleyd [13:25] Riddell: yes [13:25] because he doesn't understand the concept of follow friday [13:25] Riddell, what's the documentation system in KDE or Qt? In GNOME/gtk there is gnome-doc-utils, which defines the layout where docs go, the tools used to build translations, etc. I'm just wondering what's the equivalent for KDE/Qt [13:25] follow friday is meant to show cool other people to follow [13:26] but it makes close to zero sense to post the same people every time [13:26] i've been pondering giving him a hint for a while tbh [13:41] Riddell: awesome [13:48] Riddell: I fixed 586497 to point at kpackagekit. [13:52] Riddell: When we are supposed to work on Kolab support in Kontact? [14:08] ScottK: what's the secret? [14:08] Riddell: You have to open up one of the release tasks and edit it there. [14:09] Quintasan|Szel: we're not ment to work on Kolab support in Kontact, upstream is. Kolab Sys are ment to send packages at some point to help with packaging [14:09] It will then automagically change them both. [14:09] ScottK: mm, ok [14:09] Typical crap Launchpad design. [14:09] dpm: kdoctools maybe? [14:10] that has stylesheets and whatnot for turning docbook into html [14:10] Riddell, ok, I'll look into that, thanks! [14:12] dpm: I find the exact khelpcentre format a bit undocumented, it needs .desktop files in the right place to point to html or docbook files [14:12] dpm: Robert Ancell was asking if KDE would take up Mallard and nixternal said it would probably be a nice idea but there's nobody upstream to do the work [14:15] right. The reason I'm asking is because I see that pkgbinarymangler supports the gnome-doc-utils layout to strip documentation translations and put them as-is into language packs. The idea was to save space on the LiveCd by installing only the documentation in the languages included there, rather than translated documentation for all languages. I just thought it would make sense to do the same for KDE/Qt apps, if there is a standard layout [14:15] pitti pointed me to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/revision/35 for how it is done with apps following the gnome-doc-utils layout [14:22] dpm: we already have docs split by language, they're in kde-l10n-xx and should get brought in by language-selector [14:22] dpm: and given the problems we have with maintaining the pkgbinarymangler for application translations I'd be reluctant to make things more complex by making it to docs too [14:23] Riddell: Kubuntu-docs could use this split, though. [14:23] Riddell, ah, that's true, I had completely forgotten about this. However, they are not split by language on kubuntu-docs [14:23] ah, ScottK was quicker than me :) [14:24] Fortunately that's just one package, so the format is documented by the format of the package ... [15:48] Does anybody here know how the tagging of e-mail in kmail works? [17:02] ScottK: no one got to it yet, so if you could have a look at sponsoring the new version of k3b that would be great; lp:~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu [17:04] OK [17:05] thanks [17:31] o/ [17:36] * a|wen is heading out for a few days ... and wishes everyone a nice weekend [17:37] a|wen: Have a nice weekend. Assuming my test build succeeds I'll upload this. [17:38] ScottK: thanks again! [17:38] a|wen: No problem. Next week could you have a look at the k3b patches and see if any can get upstream? [17:39] ScottK: sure; i'll add it to my todo [17:40] Thanks. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:42] ScottK: anything left for me? :( [17:43] shadeslayer_: I'm not sure. Checking the Universe plasma-widgets to see if they are up to date is probably a good idea. [17:43] whee :) [17:44] ScottK: each of them has a package to themselves? [17:44] Yes [17:45] But they are all named plasma-widget-* [17:45] ok... [17:47] ScottK: um... k3b is up for a merge in MoM [17:47] ignore? [17:47] shadeslayer_: Interesting. [17:48] No. [17:48] Hmmm [17:48] Have a look at what's in bzr and see what needs changing. [17:48] ill do konversation while im at it... [17:48] I didn't upload yet. [17:48] sure :) [17:49] ScottK: We had a mail about RC right? [17:49] hmm debian has RC3 [17:52] ScottK: so i guess merge RC3 and then update to RC4? [18:17] ScottK: yum : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ch01wD4r [18:26] zomg.... konversation has a huge diff.... [18:26] really really really really huge diff... [18:29] We already had the rc3 merge from Debian. Their -2 is a change we already had, so the merge just affects debian/changelog [18:35] * shadeslayer_ checks out some slides by maco [18:36] maco: the latest one is pretty good... [18:39] ScottK: Question about meta kde,in ubuntu it recommends hal,do we need that in maverick or can i remove it from control file? [18:40] since debian made put it in recommends instead [18:40] shadeslayer: thanks [18:40] um [18:40] ScottK: in ubuntu hal is a dep of meta kde... [18:40] maco: yaw :) [18:40] shadeslayer: are you jumping between two different computers? [18:41] maco: nah.. this is my normal quassel window... the other account is on a core [18:41] had the client open for a few mins to read the backlog :) [18:41] shadeslayer: For meta-kde, just follow Debian. We don't really maintain those packages in Kubuntu (they are Debian's KDE metapackages) except to change things that cause problems. [18:41] If someone wants to remove HAL and run KDE, they are welcome to try. [18:41] ScottK: thanks :) [18:42] ScottK: still... removing it from dep and making it a recommend is pretty serious imo [18:43] Not really. Recommends are installed by default, so someone would still need to make an effort to avoid it. [18:43] ah ok.. its suggests that dont get installed :) [18:44] Yes. [18:55] Riddell: plasma crashes with last libdbusmenu if you right click on the systray [18:57] mm, work for me [18:57] oh boom [18:57] there it goes [18:58] for instance on kmix doesn't show the menu and after a bit plasma crash :) [18:59] yes I agree [18:59] I'll e-mail aurelien [18:59] ok [19:04] lex79: no need to merge meta-kde from debian right? diff here ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/451701/ [19:06] its a pretty useless merge imo... doesnt add anything new afaik [19:07] we can do for 4.5 rc1 when we will need to bump kde-sc-dev-latest package [19:08] no point of doing it now... [19:10] evening [19:11] shadeslayer: no, since rc1 will be release 23rd [19:11] neversfelde: o/ [19:11] Riddell: any news on the MIRs ? [19:11] neversfelde: hey :) [19:11] hi [19:12] lex79: how do you mark a bug as wishlist> [19:13] shadeslayer: I think you can't if you aren't at least motu [19:13] or MOTO [19:13] :) [19:13] bug control can [19:14] right [19:14] hmm.. feel free to mark bug 595956 as wishlist [19:14] Launchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595956 [19:15] in case amarok doesnt have mp3 ripping support... dont really use amarok :P [19:18] lex79: also i dont think we need to merge kmymoney : http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kmymoney/kmymoney_3.98.1-2/changelog [19:19] whereas last ubuntu changelog shows we are using out doc install paths [19:19] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney [19:19] s/out/our [19:19] no, no need to merge only the changelog :) [19:20] lex79: just the changelog? whats the use of that? [19:20] oh nvm [19:20] :P [19:20] :) [19:23] maco: btw who maintains the ubuntu wiki? [19:23] shadeslayer: people [19:23] i need to contact them about a loooong pending issue/bug [19:23] maco: dont they have names? :P [19:24] like who is in charge of maintaining the moin moin stuff [19:24] oh you mean not "who changes the text" but "who makes the server go"? [19:24] #canonical-sysadmin [19:24] well really, you should file a ticket on rt.ubuntu.com [19:24] maco: its already there [19:24] and then when it gets ignored (pretty much inevitable), that channel is where you complain in a couple weeks [19:24] nobody cares... [19:24] heh.. its been months actually... [19:25] there are about 3-4 bugs and 2 tickets on it :P [19:25] ok so now you're at the "whine in #canonical-sysadmin" stage [19:25] hehe [19:25] * shadeslayer searches mail for ticker [19:25] *ticket [19:26] ah there we go... ticket no 37595 [19:33] maco: that channel is dead :P [19:34] i guess ill have to live with this :( [19:36] its not dead [19:36] they're just hiding === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:39] maco: why do they do that :P [19:40] * shadeslayer marks more kde stuff in universe as no need to merge [19:40] im kidding :P theyre working on other servery stuff or something [19:40] or maybe theyre eating dinner. its dinner time in the UK [19:40] * maco looks at Riddell [19:40] i mean /tea/ time [19:40] hmm [19:41] shtylman: any updates with the new kubuntu site? [19:41] or was ofirk being given a server to set it up the last one? [19:42] boo... all kde stuff done in MoM universe [19:43] well not webkitkde.. but im not that advanced a packager to do that :P [19:44] shadeslayer: not really up to me [19:45] ofirk is the guy to ask... and maybe Riddell [19:45] shtylman: ok.. just checking if there were any updates :) [19:46] shadeslayer: dunno... sorry :/ I wish there were [19:46] :( [20:24] shadeslayer: voila http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/# [20:24] omg omg omg :) [20:25] * shadeslayer hugs Riddell [20:25] * shadeslayer pokes around new site [20:25] it looks better than ubuntu.com :P [20:26] Riddell: may i suggest something? [20:26] Riddell: i would advise putting live chat above forums here : http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/community [20:28] apart from that the site is pretty much awesome [20:29] Riddell: when is it going to be released ? [20:31] It would be nice if the page we linked to about professional support actually mentioned Kubuntu as a supported product. [20:32] Riddell: Does Canonical still do Kubuntu support contracts? [20:34] ScottK: can you mark bug 595956 as wishlist? [20:34] Launchpad bug 595956 in amarok (Ubuntu) "mp3 rip feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595956 [20:35] its being worked on by upstream... theres a link in my comment [20:37] ScottK: my english ist not as good as it should be, so I will not answer on the MOTU list because it is a sensible topic. In general I agreee with your opinion. [20:38] neversfelde: OK. FYI, I think you mean sensitive, not sensible. [20:38] Thanks for letting me know. [20:38] yes :) [20:41] ScottK: I would assume so, as they support anything thats in main, no? [20:41] jussi: Not exactly. "Supported" as in provide security fixes yes. "Supported" as in you can buy a support contract for that, not necessarily. [20:42] As an example, there's a raft of packages that are only in Main becuase Canonical uses them internally. [20:42] ScottK: I was under the impressin if you bought a standard ubuntu support contract you got support for whats in main... but I could be wrong [20:42] I don't think so, but I could be wrong too. [20:49] shtylman: e-mail ofir with suggestions [20:50] shadeslayer_: ^^ rather [20:50] shadeslayer_: it'll be done when ofir says so I think [20:50] ScottK: yes Canonical supports Kubuntu [20:51] jussi: no they don't support everything in main, only a subset e.g. apt-cache show konqueror says Supported: 18m for maverick [20:52] oh [20:52] Riddell: how long are you planning on staying? [20:53] also, who is our web guy? I think we should have a link to the canonical store on the kubuntu.org website... [20:53] jussi: just a night [20:54] Riddell: then back to tampere? [20:54] yes [20:54] jussi: e-mail klinger.ofir @gmail.com with suggestions for http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/ [20:54] Riddell: we were thinking of heading to Jyvaskyhla (closh'ish to tampere) on the friday - could take you along. [20:55] is it exciting [20:55] I need to register for Akademy at some point [20:55] Riddell: can you take some maple syrup to akademy with you? [20:55] Riddell: blauzahl wants to show the indian kde people what pancakes are [20:56] Riddell: hehe... not really - its a religious festival/conference - unless you are interested in that. but Was thinking it would cheapen your trip somewhat [20:56] If we drop you at Jyväskylä trainstation as opposed to going from oulu [20:56] jussi: oh, by car? [20:56] Riddell: yes [20:57] Riddell: oh, and Ill have my UK order form to you soon :D [20:57] jussi: yes I think Jyväskylä would be most helpful [20:58] Riddell: exceelent! [20:58] I'm travelling by ryanair so large quantities of goods being brought are unlikely [20:59] aww [20:59] running low on Marmite is it? [20:59] I dont suppose you can get your hands on beef sausages... you just cant buy them here... [20:59] nah, the vegemite supply is ok [21:00] maco: I prefer lemon curd with my pancakes [21:00] its the fresh stuff thats the hardest to get, beef sausages, double cream etc [21:00] Maple syrup on bacon pancakes.... NOM! [21:04] jussi: you've started a debate in the flat about why beef and cream would be in short supply in Finland, do they have no cows? [21:05] Riddell: no,, they just dont understand the concept of fresh sausages (only really have these hotdog style ones) and there is lots of cream, just not double cream [21:05] * jussi shrugs [21:06] * jussi grumbes... stupid canonical store wont let me buy stuff [21:16] jussi: just tell them to sent it to you.. no need of buying :D [21:19] txwikinger: I think Ill grumble at people [21:19] Yeah.. they certainly like that :) [22:04] * shadeslayer grumbles as kmail is stuck at 35 pc mail download [22:29] Riddell: kptc finally made it in :) [23:39] one qtcreator upload closed 3 bugs :P [23:53] Nice