[00:01] <Riddell> lex79: you failed to put your lucid proposed update in bzr then :)
[00:02] <lex79> Riddell: it's always your fault :P
[00:03] <lex79> Just kidding :)
[00:03] <lex79> btw it's in bzr now
[04:16]  * nigelb wonders what maco's been talking about me
[04:17] <nigelb> ooh, xkcd :)
[04:31] <nixternal> oi oi!
[04:52] <nigelb> hey nixternal !
[04:54] <nixternal> hola
[09:39] <Adri2000> hi
[09:41] <Adri2000> I've got a question about the kubuntu-default-settings package; it's possible that the answer is obvious, but I can't find it :) how does /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh end up in ~/.kde/env/ ?
[09:44] <Riddell> Adri2000: we patch /usr/bin/startkde to copy it over
[09:45] <Riddell> not terribly elegant, but well, it's gtk
[09:47] <Adri2000> eheh :p so it's there, ok, thanks!
[10:53] <Riddell> agateau: hmm still getting some funny behaviour with menu widget
[10:53] <Riddell> I added it three times by accident and one of them picked up the menu ok
[10:53] <Riddell> then I removed two of them and the remaining one didn't pick up the menu, just stayed with window menu
[10:54] <agateau> Riddell: mmm, I haven't tested that
[10:54] <Riddell> then I removed that and added another one and it picks up the menu titles but not the menu entries
[10:54] <agateau> Is it the menubar of a gtk app?
[10:55] <Riddell> nope
[10:55] <agateau> which app is it?
[10:57] <Riddell> dolphin, konsole, whatever
[10:57] <Riddell> logged out and in again now and it's working fine
[10:57] <Riddell> quite a bit of delay and flicker changing applications
[10:58] <agateau> yes, the flicker is a known bug
[11:00] <ghostcube> o/
[11:01] <ghostcube> hmmm, i read a bit about the client side windowdecorations
[11:01] <ghostcube> is this rally going to happen?
[11:01] <ghostcube> *e
[11:04] <Riddell> I expect so
[11:04] <Riddell> not in KDE though
[11:08] <apachelogger> well then
[11:08]  * apachelogger created 7k SLOC yesterday until this morning around 5 and yet it was not enough
[11:18] <Riddell> agateau: what is /src/3rdparty/dbusmenu-qt/update.sh ?
[11:18] <Riddell> it seems to have appeared during the build process
[11:18] <agateau> Riddell: a simple script to help me synchronise the copy of dbusmenu-qt
[11:19] <Riddell> ah I think I failed to do quilt add, silly me
[11:36] <Riddell> agateau: menu bar doesn't adapt too well if I shrink the height of the panel
[11:55] <ghostcube> Riddell: so only in gnome? hmm ok this would result in bad work for the compizianers :)
[11:57] <apachelogger> ghostcube: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/follow-up-on-client-side-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/open-letter-the-issues-with-client-side-window-decorations/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/technical-limitations-of-client-side-decorations/
[11:57] <ghostcube> i rad his blog 
[11:57] <ghostcube> thats why i know aboput :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> well then :P
[11:57] <ghostcube> :P
[11:57] <ghostcube> and i know he hates it
[11:58]  * apachelogger too
[11:58] <apachelogger> but for other reasons :P
[12:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, ScottK: added a patch to bug 586497
[12:22] <Riddell> also packagekit and kpackagekit 0.6 uploaded
[12:22] <ScottK> Cool.
[12:23] <ScottK> 586497 will be a little hard to test.
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> A bit time-consuming, maybe, but all you have to do is turn on a stock install and watch
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> ...yeah, hard to test :)
[12:29] <ScottK> The trick will be noticing if something got installed when you weren't looking.
[12:30] <ScottK> The pass case is relatively easy to detect.
[12:30] <Riddell> you'd need to watch out on the security notifications to see what's new
[12:32] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[12:52] <Riddell> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?r1=1129174&r2=1129173&pathrev=1129174&view=patch
[13:01] <Riddell> steveire: that patch doesn't apply to 4.4
[13:01] <Riddell> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/akonadi/contact/contactsearchjob.cpp?revision=1129174&pathrev=1129174
[13:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: I finally gor round to testing your update to kubuntu_02_microblog_default_configuration.diff and it works
[13:12] <Riddell> thanks very much
[13:24] <Riddell> Nightrose: you understand this microblogging stuff, do you know why this guy spams me each week? http://identi.ca/hunleyd
[13:25] <Nightrose> Riddell: yes
[13:25] <Nightrose> because he doesn't understand the concept of follow friday
[13:25] <dpm> Riddell, what's the documentation system in KDE or Qt? In GNOME/gtk there is gnome-doc-utils, which defines the layout where docs go, the tools used to build translations, etc. I'm just wondering what's the equivalent for KDE/Qt
[13:25] <Nightrose> follow friday is meant to show cool other people to follow
[13:26] <Nightrose> but it makes close to zero sense to post the same people every time
[13:26] <Nightrose> i've been pondering giving him a hint for a while tbh
[13:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: awesome
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I fixed 586497 to point at kpackagekit.
[13:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: When we are supposed to work on Kolab support in Kontact?
[14:08] <Riddell> ScottK: what's the secret?
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: You have to open up one of the release tasks and edit it there.
[14:09] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: we're not ment to work on Kolab support in Kontact, upstream is.  Kolab Sys are ment to send packages at some point to help with packaging
[14:09] <ScottK> It will then automagically change them both.
[14:09] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, ok
[14:09] <ScottK> Typical crap Launchpad design.
[14:09] <Riddell> dpm: kdoctools maybe?
[14:10] <Riddell> that has stylesheets and whatnot for turning docbook into html
[14:10] <dpm> Riddell, ok, I'll look into that, thanks!
[14:12] <Riddell> dpm: I find the exact khelpcentre format a bit undocumented, it needs .desktop files in the right place to point to html or docbook files
[14:12] <Riddell> dpm: Robert Ancell was asking if KDE would take up Mallard and nixternal said it would probably be a nice idea but there's nobody upstream to do the work
[14:15] <dpm> right. The reason I'm asking is because I see that pkgbinarymangler supports the gnome-doc-utils layout to strip documentation translations and put them as-is into language packs. The idea was to save space on the LiveCd by installing only the documentation in the languages included there, rather than translated documentation for all languages. I just thought it would make sense to do the same for KDE/Qt apps, if there is a standard layout
[14:15] <dpm> pitti pointed me to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/revision/35 for how it is done with apps following the gnome-doc-utils layout
[14:22] <Riddell> dpm: we already have docs split by language, they're in kde-l10n-xx and should get brought in by language-selector
[14:22] <Riddell> dpm: and given the problems we have with maintaining the pkgbinarymangler for application translations I'd be reluctant to make things more complex by making it to docs too
[14:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Kubuntu-docs could use this split, though.
[14:23] <dpm> Riddell, ah, that's true, I had completely forgotten about this. However, they are not split by language on kubuntu-docs
[14:23] <dpm> ah, ScottK was quicker than me :)
[14:24] <ScottK> Fortunately that's just one package, so the format is documented by the format of the package ...
[15:48] <txwikinger> Does anybody here know how the tagging of e-mail in kmail works?
[17:02] <a|wen> ScottK: no one got to it yet, so if you could have a look at sponsoring the new version of k3b that would be great; lp:~kubuntu-members/k3b/ubuntu
[17:04] <ScottK> OK
[17:05] <a|wen> thanks
[17:31] <shadeslayer_> o/
[17:36]  * a|wen is heading out for a few days ... and wishes everyone a nice weekend
[17:37] <ScottK> a|wen: Have a nice weekend.  Assuming my test build succeeds I'll upload this.
[17:38] <a|wen> ScottK: thanks again!
[17:38] <ScottK> a|wen: No problem.  Next week could you have a look at the k3b patches and see if any can get upstream?
[17:39] <a|wen> ScottK: sure; i'll add it to my todo
[17:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:42] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: anything left for me? :(
[17:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: I'm not sure.  Checking the Universe plasma-widgets to see if they are up to date is probably a good idea.
[17:43] <shadeslayer_> whee :)
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: each of them has a package to themselves? 
[17:44] <ScottK> Yes
[17:45] <ScottK> But they are all named plasma-widget-*
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> ok...
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: um... k3b is up for a merge in MoM
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> ignore?
[17:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Interesting.
[17:48] <ScottK> No.
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> Hmmm
[17:48] <ScottK> Have a look at what's in bzr and see what needs changing.
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> ill do konversation while im at it...
[17:48] <ScottK> I didn't upload yet.
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> sure :)
[17:49] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: We had a mail about RC right?
[17:49] <shadeslayer_> hmm debian has RC3
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: so i guess merge RC3 and then update to RC4?
[18:17] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: yum : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ch01wD4r
[18:26] <shadeslayer> zomg.... konversation has a huge diff....
[18:26] <shadeslayer> really really really really huge diff...
[18:29] <ScottK> We already had the rc3 merge from Debian.  Their -2 is a change we already had, so the merge just affects debian/changelog
[18:35]  * shadeslayer_ checks out some slides by maco
[18:36] <shadeslayer_> maco: the latest one is pretty good... 
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Question about meta kde,in ubuntu it recommends hal,do we need that in maverick or can i remove it from control file?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> since debian made put it in recommends instead
[18:40] <maco> shadeslayer: thanks
[18:40] <shadeslayer> um
[18:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: in ubuntu hal is a dep of meta kde...
[18:40] <shadeslayer> maco: yaw :)
[18:40] <maco> shadeslayer: are you jumping between two different computers?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> maco: nah.. this is my normal quassel window... the other account is on a core 
[18:41] <shadeslayer> had the client open for a few mins to read the backlog :)
[18:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: For meta-kde, just follow Debian.  We don't really maintain those packages in Kubuntu (they are Debian's KDE metapackages) except to change things that cause problems.
[18:41] <ScottK> If someone wants to remove HAL and run KDE, they are welcome to try.
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks :)
[18:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: still... removing it from dep and making it a recommend is pretty serious imo
[18:43] <ScottK> Not really.  Recommends are installed by default, so someone would still need to make an effort to avoid it.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ah ok.. its suggests that dont get installed :)
[18:44] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:55] <lex79> Riddell: plasma crashes with last libdbusmenu if you right click on the systray
[18:57] <Riddell> mm, work for me
[18:57] <Riddell> oh boom
[18:57] <Riddell> there it goes
[18:58] <lex79> for instance on kmix doesn't show the menu and after a bit plasma crash :)
[18:59] <Riddell> yes I agree
[18:59] <Riddell> I'll e-mail aurelien
[18:59] <lex79> ok
[19:04] <shadeslayer> lex79: no need to merge meta-kde from debian right? diff here ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/451701/
[19:06] <shadeslayer> its a pretty useless merge imo... doesnt add anything new afaik
[19:07] <lex79> we can do for 4.5 rc1 when we will need to bump kde-sc-dev-latest package
[19:08] <shadeslayer> no point of doing it now...
[19:10] <neversfelde> evening
[19:11] <lex79> shadeslayer: no, since rc1 will be release 23rd
[19:11] <lex79> neversfelde: o/
[19:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news on the MIRs ?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: hey :)
[19:11] <neversfelde> hi
[19:12] <shadeslayer> lex79: how do you mark a bug as wishlist>
[19:13] <lex79> shadeslayer: I think you can't if you aren't at least motu
[19:13] <lex79> or MOTO
[19:13] <lex79> :)
[19:13] <maco> bug control can
[19:14] <lex79> right
[19:14] <shadeslayer> hmm.. feel free to mark bug 595956 as wishlist 
[19:15] <shadeslayer> in case amarok doesnt have mp3 ripping support...  dont really use amarok :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> lex79: also i dont think we need to merge kmymoney : http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kmymoney/kmymoney_3.98.1-2/changelog
[19:19] <shadeslayer> whereas last ubuntu changelog shows we are using out doc install paths
[19:19] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney
[19:19] <shadeslayer> s/out/our
[19:19] <lex79> no, no need to merge only the changelog :)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: just the changelog? whats the use of that?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[19:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:20] <lex79> :)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> maco: btw who maintains the ubuntu wiki?
[19:23] <maco> shadeslayer: people
[19:23] <shadeslayer> i need to contact them about a loooong pending issue/bug
[19:23] <shadeslayer> maco: dont they have names? :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> like who is in charge of maintaining the moin moin stuff
[19:24] <maco> oh you mean not "who changes the text" but "who makes the server go"?
[19:24] <maco> #canonical-sysadmin
[19:24] <maco> well really, you should file a ticket on rt.ubuntu.com
[19:24] <shadeslayer> maco: its already there
[19:24] <maco> and then when it gets ignored (pretty much inevitable), that channel is where you complain in a couple weeks
[19:24] <shadeslayer> nobody cares...
[19:24] <shadeslayer> heh.. its been months actually...
[19:25] <shadeslayer> there are about 3-4 bugs and 2 tickets on it :P
[19:25] <maco> ok so now you're at the "whine in #canonical-sysadmin" stage
[19:25] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:25]  * shadeslayer searches mail for ticker
[19:25] <shadeslayer> *ticket
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ah there we go... ticket no 37595
[19:33] <shadeslayer> maco: that channel is dead :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> i guess ill have to live with this :(
[19:36] <maco> its not dead
[19:36] <maco> they're just hiding
[19:39] <shadeslayer> maco: why do they do that :P
[19:40]  * shadeslayer marks more kde stuff in universe as no need to merge
[19:40] <maco> im kidding :P theyre working on other servery stuff or something
[19:40] <maco> or maybe theyre eating dinner. its dinner time in the UK
[19:40]  * maco looks at Riddell
[19:40] <maco> i mean /tea/ time
[19:40] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:41] <shadeslayer> shtylman: any updates with the new kubuntu site? 
[19:41] <shadeslayer> or was ofirk being given a server to set it up the last one?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> boo... all kde stuff done in MoM universe
[19:43] <shadeslayer> well not webkitkde.. but im not that advanced a packager to do that :P
[19:44] <shtylman> shadeslayer: not really up to me
[19:45] <shtylman> ofirk is the guy to ask... and maybe Riddell
[19:45] <shadeslayer> shtylman: ok.. just checking if there were any updates :)
[19:46] <shtylman> shadeslayer: dunno... sorry :/ I wish there were
[19:46] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: voila http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/#
[20:24] <shadeslayer> omg omg omg :)
[20:25]  * shadeslayer hugs Riddell
[20:25]  * shadeslayer pokes around new site
[20:25] <shadeslayer> it looks better than ubuntu.com :P
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: may i suggest something?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i would advise putting live chat above forums here : http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/community
[20:28] <shadeslayer> apart from that the site is pretty much awesome 
[20:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when is it going to be released ?
[20:31] <ScottK> It would be nice if the page we linked to about professional support actually mentioned Kubuntu as a supported product.
[20:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Does Canonical still do Kubuntu support contracts?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you mark bug 595956 as wishlist?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> its being worked on by upstream... theres a link in my comment
[20:37] <neversfelde> ScottK: my english ist not as good as it should be, so I will not answer on the MOTU list because it is a sensible topic. In general I agreee with your opinion. 
[20:38] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  FYI, I think you mean sensitive, not sensible.
[20:38] <ScottK> Thanks for letting me know.
[20:38] <neversfelde> yes :)
[20:41] <jussi> ScottK: I would assume so, as they support anything thats in main, no?
[20:41] <ScottK> jussi: Not exactly.  "Supported" as in provide security fixes yes.  "Supported" as in you can buy a support contract for that, not necessarily.
[20:42] <ScottK> As an example, there's a raft of packages that are only in Main becuase Canonical uses them internally.
[20:42] <jussi> ScottK: I was under the impressin if you bought a standard ubuntu support contract you got support for whats in main... but I could be wrong
[20:42] <ScottK> I don't think so, but I could be wrong too.
[20:49] <Riddell> shtylman: e-mail ofir with suggestions
[20:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ^^ rather
[20:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: it'll be done when ofir says so I think
[20:50] <Riddell> ScottK: yes Canonical supports Kubuntu
[20:51] <Riddell> jussi: no they don't support everything in main, only a subset e.g. apt-cache show konqueror says Supported: 18m for maverick
[20:52] <jussi> oh
[20:52] <jussi> Riddell: how long are you planning on staying?
[20:53] <jussi> also, who is our web guy? I think we should have a link to the canonical store on the kubuntu.org website...
[20:53] <Riddell> jussi: just a night
[20:54] <jussi> Riddell: then back to tampere?
[20:54] <Riddell> yes
[20:54] <Riddell> jussi: e-mail klinger.ofir @gmail.com with suggestions for http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/
[20:54] <jussi> Riddell: we were thinking of heading to Jyvaskyhla (closh'ish to tampere) on the friday - could take you along. 
[20:55] <Riddell> is it exciting
[20:55] <Riddell> I need to register for Akademy at some point
[20:55] <maco> Riddell: can you take some maple syrup to akademy with you?
[20:55] <maco> Riddell: blauzahl wants to show the indian kde people what pancakes are
[20:56] <jussi> Riddell: hehe... not really - its a religious festival/conference - unless you are interested in that. but Was thinking it would cheapen your trip somewhat
[20:56] <jussi> If we drop you at Jyväskylä trainstation as opposed to going from oulu
[20:56] <Riddell> jussi: oh, by car?
[20:56] <jussi> Riddell: yes
[20:57] <jussi> Riddell: oh, and Ill have my UK order form to you soon :D
[20:57] <Riddell> jussi: yes I think Jyväskylä would be most helpful
[20:58] <jussi> Riddell: exceelent!
[20:58] <Riddell> I'm travelling by ryanair so large quantities of goods being brought are unlikely
[20:59] <jussi> aww
[20:59] <Riddell> running low on Marmite is it?
[20:59] <jussi> I dont suppose you can get your hands on beef sausages... you just cant buy them here...
[20:59] <jussi> nah, the vegemite supply is ok
[21:00] <Riddell> maco: I prefer lemon curd with my pancakes
[21:00] <jussi> its the fresh stuff thats the hardest to get, beef sausages, double cream etc
[21:00] <jussi> Maple syrup on bacon pancakes.... NOM!
[21:04] <Riddell> jussi: you've started a debate in the flat about why beef and cream would be in short supply in Finland, do they have no cows?
[21:05] <jussi> Riddell: no,, they just dont understand the concept of fresh sausages (only really have these hotdog style ones) and there is lots of cream, just not double cream
[21:05]  * jussi shrugs
[21:06]  * jussi grumbes... stupid canonical store wont let me buy stuff
[21:16] <txwikinger> jussi: just tell them to sent it to you.. no need of buying :D
[21:19] <jussi> txwikinger: I think Ill grumble at people
[21:19] <txwikinger> Yeah.. they certainly like that :)
[22:04]  * shadeslayer grumbles as kmail is stuck at 35 pc mail download
[22:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kptc finally made it in :)
[23:39] <shadeslayer> one qtcreator upload closed 3 bugs :P
[23:53] <ScottK> Nice