| === bdrung__ is now known as bdrung | ||
| schmichael | can someone point me to good docs on how to integrate with the main appindicator icon? | 01:55 |
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| schmichael | preferably in python | 01:55 |
| schmichael | this seems too high level: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/ | 01:55 |
| schmichael | this isn't exactly comprehensive: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python | 01:55 |
| schmichael | and this is for C and doesn't really tell what I should do: http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libappindicator/current/AppIndicator.html | 01:56 |
| schmichael | 6pm Pacific timezone is probably the wrong time to ask | 01:56 |
| RAOF | schmichael: This isn't really the correct channel. You probably want #ubuntu-app-devel or #ayatana. That said, there are multiple things you could mean here: do you want to integrate with the messaging menu? With the Me menu? With the sound menu? Or just use the replacement notifiation-area-like appindicator? | 02:05 |
| schmichael | holy shit that's a lot of menus | 02:07 |
| schmichael | um | 02:07 |
| schmichael | I think the messaging menu | 02:07 |
| schmichael | where Mail, Compose, and Broadcast live | 02:08 |
| schmichael | I've never even heard of ayatana | 02:08 |
| schmichael | Sorry for posting in the wrong channel, I think one of the pages I cited says to drop by here | 02:08 |
| RAOF | That's ok. | 02:10 |
| RAOF | Right; so you're looking for information about the messaging menu. I think python-indicate is the package you'll be needing, and gwibber-service is an example of a python app using it. | 02:14 |
| schmichael | I think I'll just use libnotify and figure out what I want to do about an icon later | 02:14 |
| schmichael | ah | 02:14 |
| schmichael | hm | 02:14 |
| schmichael | looking | 02:15 |
| RAOF | Your app is something that presents messages, right? | 02:15 |
| schmichael | yes | 02:15 |
| RAOF | Yeah, python-indicate will be what you're after then. | 02:16 |
| schmichael | hm, can't find that in pypi | 02:16 |
| schmichael | ah but there's a deb | 02:16 |
| RAOF | “apt-get source gwibber-service” might help you work out how to use it if you can't find better documentation. | 02:17 |
| schmichael | how is python-indicate different from python-appindicator? | 02:17 |
| schmichael | I've been toying with the latter and it seems to create a new icon entirely | 02:17 |
| RAOF | App indicators are the replacement for the notification area. They're for generic apps which want some form of notification-area like control system - see for example Banshee, gtg, the power manager & bluetooth thingies. | 02:18 |
| schmichael | gotcha | 02:19 |
| schmichael | python-indicate seems to offer the same api though | 02:19 |
| schmichael | er, similar | 02:19 |
| RAOF | The API should be substantially the same, they're both based on dmusmenu. | 02:19 |
| RAOF | Ahem. dbusmenu. | 02:19 |
| schmichael | any idea where docs might live? | 02:19 |
| schmichael | I'll look at gwibber | 02:20 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 02:20 |
| RAOF | I wouldn't be surprised if the pydocs weren't bad; we often have good docstrings in my experience. | 02:20 |
| schmichael | Thanks for the help. I'm a web/server python developer trying to take a stab at a desktop client | 02:22 |
| schmichael | Very difficult to figure out where to start | 02:22 |
| schmichael | Also, I'm at a pub. Which may be the wrong place to be hacking | 02:22 |
| RAOF | Nonsense! | 02:24 |
| schmichael | :) | 02:25 |
| schmichael | Pint #2 in progress | 02:26 |
| schmichael | First one might have been 8% ABV, a poor choice | 02:26 |
| schmichael | This one is 5.4% though, so I should be able to recover | 02:26 |
| schmichael | RAOF: so gwibber appears to try to load a desktop file from the directory it's launched from... | 02:35 |
| schmichael | ...do you know if this is important? | 02:35 |
| schmichael | And if so, why from the dir it's launched from, shouldn't desktop files be in HOME directories? | 02:36 |
| schmichael | or at least not by executables | 02:36 |
| RAOF | As I understand it you need to stick a .desktop file somewhere that the Messaging menu checks in order to register yourself. After all, you can _start_ apps from the messaging menu. | 02:37 |
| schmichael | I have so much to learn | 02:40 |
| schmichael | I barely know what a .desktop file is... | 02:40 |
| schmichael | ...just that it describes desktop applications | 02:40 |
| schmichael | and associated resources (icons, translated names, etc) | 02:40 |
| schmichael | Web development is so much easier | 02:40 |
| schmichael | You have GET variables, request data (POST/PUT variables), and each request/response cycle is completely independent | 02:41 |
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 07:10 |
| robert_ancell | james_w, do you have an updated empathy indicator patch? | 07:15 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:31 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell, bonjour didrocks | 07:40 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti | 07:40 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hello | 07:41 |
| seb128 | hey there | 08:36 |
| pitti | it's a Seb! | 08:37 |
| baptistemm | hello | 08:37 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:38 |
| didrocks | hello baptistemm | 08:38 |
| baptistemm | salut didrocks | 08:38 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:38 |
| seb128 | lut baptistemm didrocks | 08:38 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, I have empathy updated ready for maverick. This will be the first package to have a definite dependency on GSettings. Any final words? | 08:40 |
| baptistemm | salut seb128 didrocks pitti and robert_ancell | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | baptistemm, hey | 08:42 |
| pitti | hello baptistemm | 08:42 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: wohoo! | 08:42 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey, I've been trying to figure from empathy guys if they will depends on gtk3 for a week now | 08:42 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: they have a shared gconf key, we should maybe look at that | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I'm fine with gsettings, not with gtk3 | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I guess we can go for it but we will need to distro patch to build with gtk2 if required | 08:43 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so what do you think? Shall we leave it in bzr/a ppa wait and see what they do, or roll back if there is a problem | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what is your take on updates? did you pick that one for a reason or do you plan to start doing GNOME 2.31 updates? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw I was wrong about new poppler it doesn't require new cairo | 08:44 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, picked that one because you mentioned it, debian already has it in experimental, there's lots of stability updates and the geolocation is a nice new feature | 08:44 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, got the new cairo in the ubuntu-desktop ppa as well | 08:44 |
| baptistemm | anyone to review lp:~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/bluez/main and lp:~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/obexd/main? | 08:44 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you enable geolocation? | 08:44 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, sweet, is that in bzr too? | 08:44 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes, I figure we'll disable at a later date if it causes problems | 08:45 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, no, Sarvatt did the update I just sponsored to get some testing there | 08:45 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the issue is that it will need mir for the libchamplain etc | 08:45 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it can't build until then | 08:45 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, otherwise back to the topic I think empathy is fine to update, limited risk, easy to downgrade and nice changes | 08:45 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, do you want me to upload it with the geoclue stack for now? | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, why can't it build? what happens in maverick if you depend on a universe package? | 08:46 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it depwaits | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | Ah ok | 08:46 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the main builders don't know about universe | 08:46 |
| seb128 | so they will not find the binaries | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, but they can have universe build-eeps right? | 08:47 |
| robert_ancell | deps | 08:47 |
| seb128 | no | 08:47 |
| seb128 | they don't know about universe | 08:47 |
| seb128 | ie universe is not in their sources.list | 08:47 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I will sponsor that | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | ok, it's in bzr | 08:48 |
| seb128 | sorry I didn't follow up on other things you mentioned | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | np | 08:48 |
| seb128 | where are the compiz updates? | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | in bzr (~compiz_) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | I'm also not sure if you let the gnome-menus merge etc for me to finish or still planned to do it | 08:48 |
| seb128 | I got busy with other changes | 08:48 |
| seb128 | but I can catch up today | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, I've just left that one for now, it had changes I didn't understand | 08:49 |
| seb128 | just apply those ;-) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | which ones? want to discuss those now? | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | nah, I don't let it through unless I can put a changelog entry and a patch header :) | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 08:49 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw you still have one work item for alpha2 to write a mir for d-conf | 08:50 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, do we need to get d-conf installed for the new empathy yet? | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, no, but the next release requires it | 08:51 |
| seb128 | ok, so will do | 08:51 |
| seb128 | I will do the libglib update today | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, sorry lot of context switch and catchup, we have low overlap recently and I feel you will call it a week rsn ;-) | 08:52 |
| robert_ancell | you got 10 minutes :) | 08:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what are the gnome-menus changes you didn't understand? the ones with "??" in the changelog? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, so 06_menus_rename.patch and 08_menus_prefix.patch is a debian change | 08:54 |
| seb128 | they prefixed the names on their menus to not conflict with kde | 08:54 |
| seb128 | it did create extra work and some issues though and is not required since the kde ones are already prefixed in ubuntu | 08:54 |
| seb128 | so we don't use those debian changes | 08:55 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, looking over it now. Nothing stands out. I think it was just a combination of the prerm/postinst changes, the cache and just not being familiar with the pacakge | 08:55 |
| robert_ancell | compared to compiz it looks simple :) | 08:55 |
| seb128 | the admin one is to hide things which require sudo if you are not in the admin group to use those | 08:55 |
| seb128 | no point to lists entries you can't use | 08:56 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, great work on the merges btw | 08:56 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you did some I wouldn't have started on seing the number of changes, it sometime seems lot of work for low benefit... | 08:56 |
| seb128 | but I guess it's still nice to do those if we can once a cycle to see our changes and reduce delta where we can | 08:57 |
| robert_ancell | I think if we're going to merge we have to do them all otherwise they'll just get harder and harder to merge in the future | 08:57 |
| seb128 | right | 08:58 |
| seb128 | sometime it's easy the other way around | 08:58 |
| seb128 | diff what debian changed since we merges and apply those changes to what we have | 08:58 |
| robert_ancell | sure | 08:58 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, do you know about the latest webkit - 1.3? Is that going to be released in time for Maverick? | 08:59 |
| robert_ancell | (and where are their releases?) | 09:00 |
| didrocks | (2nd warning try) there is a shared gconf key for the used font with empathy, not sure how that can be handled with gsettings | 09:00 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, shared between what? | 09:01 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: that was what Zdra told me, I can ask him what else uses it | 09:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we will get this gconf, gsettings sync issue for some things anyway | 09:02 |
| seb128 | we will need to sort it | 09:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, but didn't we tell at UDS "we won't update apps using shared keys?" | 09:03 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I guess empathy uses the desktop font settings | 09:03 |
| robert_ancell | has anyone got any ideas about the gconf->dconf migration? It requires you to restart your sessing for your keys to be migrated (if the package has a migration script). If you upgrade and restart your app it will use blank keys until the session is restarted and the migration occurs. I assume this then overwrites the keys you might have just set | 09:03 |
| robert_ancell | session | 09:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we don't want to step in tricky situations like breaking mimetype handles or automounting or that sort of things | 09:03 |
| robert_ancell | man my spelling is awful at the moment | 09:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, for a font settings, it seems not to be so much a big deal | 09:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think if empathy users have to change fonts in empathy that's a fair trading for the new version | 09:04 |
| didrocks | just wanting to point that :) | 09:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 09:04 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: maybe we can drop the magic file to say "restart required" | 09:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well after distro versions change we highly encourage users to restart | 09:04 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, yeah, that was the best I could come up with | 09:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so can we accept "strange behaviour" if they don't? | 09:05 |
| didrocks | in any case, with lucid -> maverick upgrades, people will have a new kernel, so it's highely possible they will restart :) | 09:05 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yes | 09:05 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 09:05 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, we will always have some anyway | 09:05 |
| robert_ancell | so if empathy is upgraded and uses gsettings (successfully), we should upload any GNOME apps we want as long as they don't use GTK3 and we have the time to support them? | 09:07 |
| seb128 | right and we don't get tricky gconf, dconf shared key issues | 09:08 |
| seb128 | we should review the dg,conf keys used | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit concerned for things like proxy to use | 09:08 |
| robert_ancell | yeah | 09:09 |
| robert_ancell | anything that is set by gnome-control-center is vulnerable | 09:09 |
| seb128 | but seems GNOME will mostly depends on gtk3 | 09:09 |
| huats | morning | 09:09 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, what parts of GTK3? | 09:09 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, gtkapplication | 09:09 |
| seb128 | they will also change their configure to use the new pkgconfig files | 09:09 |
| seb128 | ie gtk+-3.0 | 09:10 |
| robert_ancell | meh, is anyone using that? (is it required for gnome shell?) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, it's the libunique replacement for GNOME3 | 09:10 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it doesn't sound too complex then, a candidate to port to GTK2? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | we might want try to convince upstream to backport gtkapplication to 2.22 | 09:10 |
| seb128 | that would make our job easier | 09:10 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well I'm a bit careful about what might land in gtk3 and requirements that might be created on the road | 09:11 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, let's not upgrade everything we can think of but only what we think would be really valuable | 09:11 |
| seb128 | if the new version is mainly a gsettings gtk3 port without nice changes there is no point to take the extra work and risk now | 09:12 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I'm thinking it wont be anything too invasive that many apps will pick up, not without more warning than this | 09:12 |
| seb128 | we can have a better overview around 2.31.9x | 09:12 |
| robert_ancell | yeah | 09:12 |
| didrocks | urgh, I forgot the "halsectomy" of banshee for UNE | 09:12 |
| seb128 | then decide easily on what we will take | 09:12 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, but I'm fine doing a GNOME3 ppa if you want | 09:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you think you will have some time to play with removing hal from banshee or do you have a guide so that I can see what I can do? | 09:12 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, we should just maybe keep focussing a bit on maverick and the platform for now and don't track every 2.31 versions | 09:13 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, seems we can avoid some work and start getting those updates later in the cycle | 09:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: that sounds like nontrivial upstream work; you'd need to switch to using media-player-info and add the parser to it which was added to rhythmbox | 09:14 |
| pitti | to be able to parse music player capabilities, formats, etc. | 09:14 |
| pitti | it's not just an 1:1 API conversion from libhal to gudev | 09:14 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I think we have most of the Maverick platform in place now. There is some optional/universe stuff like GTK3 but the core platform is ther | 09:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: urgh, maybe I should talk with upstream about that, that's clearly a showstopper for banshee by default on UNE | 09:15 |
| pitti | ! | 09:15 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, right, next real task will be to get gtk3 packaged and gtk3 versions of libraries | 09:15 |
| pitti | didrocks: why do we switch now? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | real -> requiring work | 09:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: I though banshee switched to udev etc previous cycle? | 09:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's much slower and memory hungry and uses hal/hal-info; also, does it have u1 music store? | 09:16 |
| robert_ancell | oh, what do you guys think about putting the latest sane-backends in Lucid? | 09:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: we talked about that in the UNE session, and there is a better netbook interface that I've hacked on the last few days | 09:16 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what does it change? | 09:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: yes, it has u1 music store plugin | 09:16 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, lots of bug fixes, I have it in Maverick now, and a Lucid PPA. It would help a lot of users. Don't know the best way to test it | 09:17 |
| robert_ancell | they took ages to make a release | 09:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, do a sru bug, hard to say without saying the diff | 09:17 |
| seb128 | seeing | 09:17 |
| robert_ancell | that's the issue, the diff will be huge, and there's no way to test any significant proportion of the drivers | 09:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, but seems it something that should be doable, maybe let sit in the candidate update for a while | 09:18 |
| seb128 | to make sure it gets testing | 09:18 |
| robert_ancell | perhaps the PPA will be good enough, and users will find out about it on the forums | 09:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't know, I'm not following banshee development | 09:18 |
| pitti | I'm currently dealing with u{dev,disks}-ifying xfce :) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ do you have an opinion about the sane sru? | 09:19 |
| pitti | unless it changed ABI, sounds ok; it's by and large adding support for new hw? | 09:19 |
| RAOF | didrocks: There's a gudev backend in development, Alex Launi has done the initial work. | 09:19 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, and fixing bugs in existing drivers. There were some specific models that people were having problems with and used to work in Jaunty | 09:19 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: diff is still interesting to see what kind of changes it has | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | ok, I'll SRU it up next week | 09:20 |
| didrocks | RAOF: do you think it will be finished before our feature freeze? | 09:20 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I can test it on a Canoni LiDE 40, but that has worked for ages | 09:20 |
| pitti | "Canon" | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | without a hardware lab we can't be sure it won't cause regressions. and it's too much work I think to take individual patches | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | beer o'clock! See you guys later | 09:22 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Not unless someone steps up and finishes it. | 09:23 |
| didrocks | enjoy your week-end robert_ancell | 09:23 |
| didrocks | RAOF: ok, I'll see with jcastro if we can leverage some community help there | 09:23 |
| RAOF | Dinner making time! | 09:24 |
| didrocks | RAOF: enjoy :) | 09:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: if you have some time today, I sponsored kenvandine package for indicator-network yesterday evening. It should be waiting in NEW | 09:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ? | 10:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I newed it yesterday evening I think | 10:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or did that didn't work? | 10:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh sweet, I didn't check TBH, I wasn't thinking you connected back | 10:02 |
| seb128 | I did | 10:02 |
| didrocks | right, it's done, you are so quick :) | 10:02 |
| seb128 | there is usually quite some sponsoring required on thursday | 10:02 |
| * didrocks hugs seb128 | 10:02 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine desktop set upload right don't work for quite some dx sources | 10:02 |
| seb128 | so I usually try to come back to sponsor things he can't upload | 10:02 |
| * seb128 hugs didrocks back | 10:03 | |
| didrocks | oh ok, it's the "late Thursday tasks" so? :) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:03 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| seb128 | pitti, we stopped assigning bugs to desktop-bugs now btw | 10:22 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, good to know | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, just fyi since I noticed you reassigned one to it | 10:23 |
| pitti | yes, I'm afraid I have no time for that one, and it didn't seem that urgent | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, no discussion about the bug itself ;-) | 10:25 |
| pitti | seb128: is there a replacement for desktop-bugs, or we just stop caring? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | "stop caring" for whatever that means to you ;-) | 10:26 |
| seb128 | we still care about the bug but we have tools to build buglists nowadays without having to assign those to a team in launchpad | 10:26 |
| pitti | ah, right | 10:26 |
| seb128 | we can do json queries for those now | 10:27 |
| seb128 | ie do "bugs reported on all components this team is subscribed to" | 10:27 |
| === cking_ is now known as cking | ||
| kamstrup | Is it me or are the icons and tiles and the launcher (trunk) a bit blurry? | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | is it possible to do a dist-upgrade between releases with PPA sources? i tested a hardy -> lucid upgrade last night before realising that firefox hadn't been updated because the new version is still only staged in a PPA | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i suppose that's a mvo question, but he's not around | 11:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, what do you mean exactly? | 11:01 |
| seb128 | it's always possible to run dist-upgrade, it will just grab newest versions and install those | 11:01 |
| seb128 | or do you mean "does the dist-upgrade tweak ppa source lines as well as normal distro ones" | 11:02 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i want to do an upgrade from hardy -> lucid, but keeping the u-m-s PPA as a source | 11:02 |
| seb128 | dist-upgrader | 11:02 |
| seb128 | using the graphical dist-upgrader you mean? | 11:02 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah | 11:02 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure | 11:02 |
| chrisccoulson | i wanted to make sure the upgrade still works, but i forgot that it disables the PPA sources before the upgrade | 11:03 |
| seb128 | I would add the hardy and lucid ppa lines to the source before running it | 11:03 |
| seb128 | oh | 11:03 |
| seb128 | I guess it's a mvo question then yes | 11:03 |
| seb128 | he will be back on monday | 11:03 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i can wait until then. i've got lots of karmic bugs to fix already ;) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can you check bug #595867 | 11:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 595867 in evolution (Ubuntu) "recipient address with german umlauts gets broken on new/reply .. mail (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595867 | 11:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the descriptions says it's happening after the recent update | 11:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you think it's the mailing list encoding in e-d-s? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I guess it would be the e-d-s change | 11:08 |
| seb128 | well, I'm not sure | 11:08 |
| didrocks | hum, not sure I have the time right now, will try to reproduce and revert this change… | 11:08 |
| * didrocks will never ever have serious time to work on banshee anyway :/ | 11:09 | |
| seb128 | I can't confirm though | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I've tried to reply to emails from macslow and it works | 11:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, try maybe just asking questions about since when he's having the issue and how to trigger it easily for now | 11:10 |
| didrocks | oh really? | 11:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure I will thanks | 11:10 |
| MacSlow | seb128, cover-display in notificatiosn again? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | MacSlow, no sorry, an evolution bug with names with umlauts, I was taking you as an example to test it | 11:11 |
| MacSlow | seb128, ah ok | 11:11 |
| seb128 | MacSlow, sorry for the highlight ;-) | 11:12 |
| MacSlow | didrocks, ok... bring on the german umlauts then :) | 11:12 |
| didrocks | MacSlow: heh, you have an uptodate lucid too? can you try to hit reply on an email from an expeditor having an umlaut in the name, please? | 11:14 |
| MacSlow | didrocks, pulled lucid updates yesterday... recent enough? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:15 |
| didrocks | MacSlow: should be :) | 11:15 |
| MacSlow | didrocks, ok did that... everything looks ok in the email-reply window | 11:18 |
| seb128 | MacSlow, thanks | 11:18 |
| didrocks | MacSlow: sweet, thanks a lot :) | 11:18 |
| MacSlow | seb128, didrocks: np yw | 11:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, let's start by asking if the issue is in the composer or in the email sent and if that happens with any names with an umlaut | 11:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: done, thanks | 11:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thank you | 11:24 |
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| didrocks | bug #525807 is really embarrassing when you are giving an ubuntu presentation | 13:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 525807 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[upstream] [3.2.1] OOo Slide Show and Fullscreen modes - not full screen under compiz (affects: 86) (dups: 6) (heat: 462)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525807 | 13:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you get hit by this? | 13:35 |
| didrocks | yeah, during the ubuntu party :) | 13:35 |
| didrocks | and I'm still hit by this | 13:35 |
| didrocks | (I'll give an ubuntu presentation in Paris this evening) | 13:35 |
| didrocks | just tested again and yeah, still there :/ | 13:35 |
| seb128 | we should make sure it gets fixed for .1 | 13:38 |
| seb128 | ccheney should be back to work so I guess he can work on this one | 13:38 |
| didrocks | right, this one should be high IMHO to not get dropped for .1 | 13:38 |
| * didrocks tries in metacity as it seems to happen only with compiz from the report | 13:39 | |
| seb128 | you should use your netbook and unity for presentations I guess ;-) | 13:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: heh, unity had some issues with OOo fullscreen too during the party :-) | 13:40 |
| didrocks | ok, works with metacity, I can workaround with that | 13:40 |
| didrocks | I put that in autohide but when you show what's new, it wasn't really convenient | 13:41 |
| seb128 | lol | 13:42 |
| seb128 | it's not germany's day | 13:46 |
| didrocks | why? | 13:55 |
| ccheney | the fix that went into 3.2.1 should make it into our .1 | 13:56 |
| didrocks | ccheney: apparently, the last person told that the fix in 3.2.1 doesn't work | 13:56 |
| didrocks | hey btw :) | 13:56 |
| ccheney | didrocks: hi :) | 13:56 |
| ccheney | didrocks: hmm, will have to look at the report again, to fix it properly required a pretty invasive change upstream, from what i recall so they were trying to first just fix it for gnome (iirc) | 13:57 |
| ccheney | but it has been a while since i last read the status for the bug | 13:58 |
| didrocks | ccheney: ok, if you need testing, do not hesitate | 13:58 |
| ccheney | didrocks: ok | 13:58 |
| didrocks | thanks ccheney :) | 13:58 |
| seb128 | ccheney, hey | 14:01 |
| seb128 | ccheney, how are you? | 14:01 |
| ccheney | seb128, doing pretty well :) | 14:01 |
| * ccheney brb, have to run to restroom before his daily mumble meeting | 14:02 | |
| didrocks | 14:46:22 seb128 | it's not germany's day | 14:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: what happened to those poor germans? :) | 14:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, serbia scored one, germany got one player out due to a fault and they didn't score the penalty they had | 14:04 |
| didrocks | ok, it was football, not something broken on ubuntu :) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no ;-) | 14:06 |
| seb128 | right, it's football | 14:06 |
| didrocks | :-) | 14:07 |
| seb128 | ccheney, didrocks: the slideshow bug is correctly lucid tasked with milestone for lucid .1 now | 14:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks a lot | 14:08 |
| seb128 | np, thank you for pointing it | 14:08 |
| * ccheney back | 14:12 | |
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| rickspencer3 | good morning everyone | 14:59 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, hello! how are you? | 15:06 |
| didrocks | good morning rickspencer3 | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 and didrocks | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | I | 15:12 |
| didrocks | reboot, bbiab | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | m good, otp with stormy talking about guadec | 15:12 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, Riddell: could you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus if you have anything to set there? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | I will update the list of specs for the cycle in a bit | 15:54 |
| kenvandine | seb128, sure | 15:55 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128, the heat for the twitter change in gwibber is off, for now | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | seb128, they have postponed the change... but no new target date | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | seb128, they haven't even turned on the new service yet... | 15:58 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:58 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, let's move it to alpha3 then? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | hopefully we'll hear when the new date is soon, hopefully it isn't too soon | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | ok | 15:58 |
| davidbarth | seb128, kenvandine: will update that now too; ping hard when it's my turn | 16:02 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, ok | 16:04 |
| rodrigo_ | is libappindicator0.1-cil broken in maverick? tomboy doesn't start for one user, while it works for another one | 16:39 |
| rodrigo_ | and can't build a tomboy packae, it complaiuns: | 16:39 |
| rodrigo_ | error CS0006: cannot find metadata file `/usr/lib/cli/appindicator-sharp-0.1/appindicator-sharp.dll' | 16:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes, tedg is working on it right now | 16:40 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok | 16:40 |
| seb128 | or I think he is | 16:40 |
| seb128 | check with him | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | tedg, ^^ | 16:46 |
| tedg | rodrigo_, Sorry, right now learning to hate mono's al >:-( Should hopefully be fixed in a bit. | 16:51 |
| rodrigo_ | tedg, ok, let me know if you want me to test, I'm waiting on having it fixed for building a tomboy package | 16:52 |
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| didrocks | ok, let's call it a week, going to Paris to give a conference on Ubuntu now :) | 17:32 |
| didrocks | enjoy your week-end everyone o/ | 17:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks, have fun today and a nice weekend ;-) | 17:40 |
| schmichael | Is there a simpler example than gwibber on using appindicator from python? | 17:45 |
| seb128 | schmichael, jockey | 17:45 |
| schmichael | seb128: thanks | 17:45 |
| seb128 | yw | 17:45 |
| seb128 | schmichael, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators | 17:46 |
| seb128 | schmichael, there is a small code example there as well | 17:46 |
| schmichael | seb128: yeah, I've done that, but it's a little too simple to be very useful | 17:46 |
| schmichael | and it uses appindicator when evidently using indicate is preferred | 17:47 |
| schmichael | and I'd like to integrate with the existing messaging appindicator | 17:47 |
| schmichael | "NOTICE: 'jockey' packaging is maintained in the 'Bzr' version control system at:" | 17:49 |
| schmichael | that's pretty cool! | 17:49 |
| schmichael | seb128: I'm not understanding how jockey uses appindicator. It appears to me to just be a gtk app that uses notify | 17:54 |
| schmichael | Considering I'm building a messaging related app, I think gwibber is probably what I should be looking at :( | 17:54 |
| seb128 | schmichael, well appindicator does basically what the example on the wiki or jockey are doing... | 17:56 |
| seb128 | ie adding a menu to an icon | 17:56 |
| seb128 | it's what you get for ie the bluetooth icon in lucid | 17:57 |
| seb128 | seems you want to integrate with the messaging menu though rather than using appindicator | 17:57 |
| seb128 | you can ask questions about that on #ayatana | 17:57 |
| schmichael | hm | 17:58 |
| schmichael | I have a messaging application which will pop-up notifications that need to fire an event (eg launch an app) | 17:58 |
| schmichael | Since Ubuntu removed the ability for notifications to do anything, I figured appindicator was the route to go... | 17:59 |
| schmichael | is that correct? should I take these questions to #ayatana? | 17:59 |
| schmichael | (and wth is ayatana? I've been an Ubuntu user for years and never heard of that...) | 17:59 |
| schmichael | "The Ayatana Project is the collective project that houses user interface, design and interaction projects started by Canonical." hm | 18:04 |
| seb128 | schmichael, the indicator work is ayatana work | 18:10 |
| seb128 | as is notify-osd | 18:10 |
| seb128 | schmichael, well, there is a specification about user interactions on the wiki | 18:11 |
| seb128 | schmichael, incoming messages should be queued in the message indicator | 18:11 |
| seb128 | schmichael, things which require user to know about and act with should probably be opened in a dialog | 18:12 |
| schmichael | hm, interesting. reading the full MessagingMenu wiki now | 18:12 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:12 |
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| Rebus | Perhaps i dropped the question of starting XFCE-desktop in the wrong room (#xubuntu)? | 22:04 |
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| nessita | hello all | 22:59 |
| nessita | didrocks: you around? I managed to break python-mkdebian ;-) | 22:59 |
| arand | Is this a place to discuss potential papercuts? I that case I would like to point at Bug #479489 as a good candidate, I've even prepared to report a new bug before i found that, and did a writeup (use case abd all..): http://pastebin.org/340224 | 23:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 479489 in compiz (Ubuntu) "disable Super+MiddleClick by default (affects: 1) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479489 | 23:10 |
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