=== shade__ is now known as \shade\ [00:13] http://www.boldvoices.tv meme went live on channel 5 ten minutes ago [01:08] Hi all: I'm installing a ubuntu server without any graphics devices (xen domu, using the xm console method). How do I add users to the system? (when I tried using the traditional "useradd" program, the account was pretty botched; the only way I've found so far to add user accounts was through the ubuntu gui if I wanted them to work) [01:09] kusznir, use 'adduser' [01:09] it sets all the things right for the users to work [01:10] Ok, thanks. [01:50] hello, I've been researching pci passthrough to enable NIC passthrough to one of my VM's and believe it requires vt-d support from my motherboard. I discovered that there is no vt-d support on my motherboard and am wondering if there is a way to do PCI (specifically NIC) passthrough without vt-d? the reason I am investigating this is I only have 1 static public facing IP to assign to a webserver I would like to run [01:54] hi all [01:58] I just changed my IP on my ubuntu-server and I get the following error... "apache2: Could bo reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 208.83.212.218 for ServerName" any idea of what I broke?? [02:45] Yosi, you need to set up your hosts file correctly [02:45] it'll work as-is, but if you want the error to go away, the domain name you're using in apache needs to resolve to your IP [02:55] qman, thanks. i think that is whats going on...some guy in #linux was saying the issue was my httpd.conf file, but in ubuntu that file is empty [02:56] qman: to fix th error, what file in apache would contain that domain name? [02:58] hi, I am unable to install/remove/upgrade mysql-server <-> http://pastebin.com/9pQjQivc (Ubuntu 10.04) It crashed/locked up during an upgrade process and since then aptitude fails on everything [03:01] hi all, I just have a quick q. im looking into starting and setting up a personal apache server on my 10.04 desktop. Does anyone have any advice or good guides for a beginner? [03:05] tomswartz07: if you already have the comp installed, and you just want apache on there [03:06] Yosi, /etc/apache2/sites-available/[yoursiteconfig] [03:07] amstan: I have 10.04 desktop installed, plain vanilla. ive found some sites hosted from ubuntu, but no decent guides for beginners. [03:07] a plain jane web site server is fine by me [03:08] what other services could you run from a home server like this? [03:08] tomswartz07: just install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 [03:08] tomswartz07: umm.. you probably want mysql too, so install that, and php5-mysql [03:08] you can do all of this with synaptic [03:08] when you're done you put your website in /var/www [03:09] amstan: and thats it? what does mysql do, exactly? [03:10] tomswartz07: ok... hmm [03:10] Yosi: the value for ServerName needs to resolve to an address. set up /etc/hosts accordingly [03:10] tomswartz07: what exactly do you want from this website? [03:10] tomswartz07: if it's for a personal website, and you're just playing with html, then you don't need mysql and maybe not even php [03:11] tomswartz07: so.. apache is the server, php a scripting language that makes all the pages dynamic [03:11] just a place to host a page or two, even better if i could have file hosting. [03:11] tomswartz07: and mysql is a place to put all the data that php has to play with, stuff like user accounts and so on, it's easier to use mysql for some stuff than files, but you need to program that retrieval [03:13] tomswartz07: i'm not exactly sure where i can get you some guides about this, i kind of passed this stage already [03:13] if you have any questions just ask me [03:13] amstan: ah, i see. Thats a bit too rich for my blood just yet. i dont think ill be having users and logins, etc. Would just plain apache be right for my needs? [03:13] im looking to just do basic hosting, web pages and files [03:14] tomswartz07: if you don't want to touch programming with php, just plain apache is fine [03:14] tomswartz07: apache will provide all the things that makes your computer serve a static page/file [03:15] amstan: excellent. Ill see what else I could dig up. I just didnt know what to look for [03:16] amstan: thanks for the help! ill give a shout if i have anything else! :D [03:16] tomswartz07: you could try some html tutorials [03:16] tomswartz07: if you you're not already familiar with it [03:16] i have the html down pat, i just dont know how to get it hosted myself for free haha [03:17] tomswartz07: did you ever port forward/ do you know what that means? [03:17] this is a waste of time distro. [03:18] amstan: yeah, i use it for ssh pretty often. i read that apache just uses port 80 [03:18] tomswartz07: yep, you got a domain too, right? [03:18] no-ip at least? [03:19] through dyndns, i have the router set up to update with the IP, if thats what you mean [03:19] yep [03:19] tomswartz07: well.. you're pretty set then [03:20] amstan: woot woot. thanks again! ill see what i could do! [03:35] mathiaz: ping can you review the wording and make suggestion, this is the email being sent out for the sru process http://paste.ubuntu.com/451416/ [03:41] how can I fix this file error? "dovecot: IMAP(scott@moseley.ca): Invalid data in file /mnt/raid/www_root/mail/moseley.ca/scott/.Sent/dovecot-uidlist" [03:49] pmatulis: I just checked /etc/hosts and there are two entries there, the first is 127.0.0.1 localhost and the seond line is 218.83.212.218 cs1 (cs1 is the host name of the machine) [03:51] Yosi, you need the FQDN also on that second line [03:51] hey all, might not be in the right place for this, but let me know. i am interested in setting up a linux box in my house to do dns, authentication (ldap), posibly NAS, etc. Ideally, want to run on a small atom machine. Any easy to use Small Business distros you knwo of? maybe one with a nice web UI? [03:51] based on ubuntu [03:52] qman: would the fqdn not just be the hostname, but the hostname.domain [03:52] ? [03:52] that is what an FQDN is [03:53] qman: webmin put that in there.. its so odd... [03:54] !webmin [03:54] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [03:57] qman: would having a fqdn in there fix my apache2 error? [03:58] yes [03:59] as long as it's the FQDN used in the apache configuration [03:59] ServerName needs to be resolvable [03:59] whatever that happens to be [04:00] qman: i looked in the directory u mentioned in apache2, but i didn't see a ServerName, all I saw was default [04:00] Yosi, default is a configuration file [04:00] ServerName is specified inside it [04:03] qman: I just checked, I' read the file, and there is no ServerName field specified in the file just says VirtuaHost *.80 [04:08] Yosi, and idea on my dovecot issue? [04:15] exit [04:16] zul: line4: add the list of SRU criteria [04:59] having qemu/kvm issues on 10.04, specifically, error: unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Connection refused === macd_eee is now known as macd [05:01] macd: ls -l that file [05:02] srwxrwxrwx, I set it 777 to test, added root user to libvirtd [05:03] OK, first undo every "test" you did, then try again. [05:05] Sure, and I get the same results from virsh -c qemu:///system list (FYI adding the root user to the libvirtd group is in the qemu documentation) [05:07] Now, tell me the full line for ls -l on that file. [05:08] I'm surprised the *qemu* documentation mentions libvirt at all. [05:08] srw-r-x--- 1 root libvirtd 0 2010-06-17 22:36 /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock [05:08] I should have been more specific, the ubuntu/qemu documentation [05:08] macd: URL> [05:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation [05:10] Well, first of all "community" indicates that it's not Ubuntu's documentation, it's Ubuntu users' documentation -- which can be outright wrong. [05:10] Im thinking we could focus on the problem at hand rather than the documentation that led me there, I'll remove root from the group [05:11] I'm surprised root need to be in any group, since root generally circumvents posix DACs entirely. [05:11] And logout/in, reissuing the above command virsh command yields the same results [05:12] I tend to agree at adding root to anything, it should superseed [05:12] Are you running things as root, or as a normal user? [05:12] there is no selinux either so it is definetly DAC [05:12] I am running as root. [05:12] Any reason you're running as root? [05:13] I like it. [05:13] I could login and sudo instead, I dont really see the difference [05:14] My understanding is that a large part of libvirt's job is to allow non-root users to use VMs (which require privileged access to e.g. brctl). [05:15] If the normal way of using libvirt (and Ubuntu) is to not run stuff directly as root, I suggest trying that. [05:18] I get the same results using my user, with or without sudo. [05:18] And that user was in the libvirtd group when you logged in? [05:20] added, logout/in, same result [05:29] OK, at this point I would be checking the log files and asking #virt [05:30] yeah, Im querying in @qemu as well, I appreciate your help. [05:39] twb, Jun 17 23:37:11 spare5 kernel: [ 3667.415428] kvm: disabled by bios [05:39] I thnk I figured it out ;) [05:42] Grmph. I'd have hoped it'd just use software virtualization in that case. [05:45] Im under the impression it only supports full virtualization, and not para [05:47] Well, qemu sure as shit supports software virtualization, and if Ubuntu has dropped that in it's combined qemu/kvm package, I will be Pissed Off. [06:42] New bug: #595789 in lm-sensors (universe) "after resuming from suspend, sensors -s is required" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595789 === jo-erlend__ is now known as jo-erlend [07:07] anyone using 8.04 server as kvm virtualisation host? [07:07] i can't connect guest os after install [07:08] i installed with ubuntu-vm-builder [09:00] hello, why does sudo aptitude install kvm libvirt-bin ubuntu-vm-builder bridge-utils on a fresh lucid server install [09:00] tries to install x11-common ? [09:01] no idea - some dependencies - probably some X-stuff in there somewhere - why? does it matter with a few extra libs? [09:06] lau: x11-common is just a few boring files, it's not anything significant [09:06] Most likely it is there for keyboard support. [09:09] * Ng drumrolls [09:09] monring [09:10] kirkland: I have good news and bad news. Actually I just have bad news, that package doesn't fix it, three of my four test VMs have been OOM killed. I'll comment as such on the bug. [09:10] kirkland: (at least it doesn't fix the leak I'm exposing, maybe it fixes others) [10:35] twb: thx [10:51] just create new vm sudo ubuntu-vm-builder kvm lucid [10:52] want to remove it from the system, is rm -rf ubuntu-kvm the proper way ? [10:52] or does it exist a ubuntu-vm-builder erase kvm lucid ? [10:56] lau: did you check the manpage for ubuntu-vm-builder? [11:02] twb: yes man vmbuilder but I only saw references to create a vm not to delete it (maybe I missed it?) [11:04] I don't know, I'm just triaging [11:05] twb: I also took a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder but without success [11:49] lau: Unless you used the --libvirt option, the VM is just the disk image. Delete the disk image, and the VM is no more. [12:34] hello to all. i have a small question. i am running on two ubuntu servers the apache webservice however every server has it own website. when i call the Website of the second server i get allways site not found. the domain resolves great but somehow the apache server dont return the page. i must say that on the second server i have configured thecan somebody help me to debug the problem ? site as vhost maybe that is the problem ? [12:35] i must say that on the second server i have configured the site as vhost maybe that is the problem ? can somebody help me to debug the problem ? [12:36] xperia: is apache running? [12:36] xperia: is it bound to port 80? What happens when you browse from the local host (e.g. with w3m)? [12:36] yes it is running but i check it again over the local ip adress [12:37] twb: when i call the server over the local ip adress it return "It Works" [12:38] Therefore you most likely have a firewall, routing or name resolution issue. [12:38] so apache is working. will check if the vhost is configured right. the thing is both servers are behind one static ip and on both servers bind is running great one time as master and one time as slave on the second server [12:39] hmmm will check that with the firewall [12:39] Um, it would be exceedingly peculiar for a single (ip, port) tuple to be connected to multiple hosts. [12:40] port 80 is open for the second server too in the firewall. [12:40] A network diagram showing where your masquerading, DNATs, mod-proxying and load-balancing happen would be useful. [12:43] twb: thank you a lot for your help. i have a router and behind this router the two servers are located. the router has port 80 open to both servers. if i do "dig secondserver.example.com @wanip" it resolve the domain great also if i do "dig secondserver.example.com @lanipfirstserver" and "dig secondserver.example.com @lanipsecondserver" [12:43] so bind runs on both servers great and i ca browse the sites on the first server with no problems [12:44] just the second new added server dont display the sites even the hostdomain resolve great ! [12:45] a diagram would look like this [12:45] wan ip adress static | router | 2 servers [12:45] at the moment only the first server works great [12:52] If i run a reverse webserver proxy, it means that everything will be loaded from the box behind proxy, right? Is there a purpose of having documentroot for a proxy host? [12:53] Error404NotFound, you don't necessarily have to proxy _everything_ on a particular host [12:54] i.e., your static files could be served by apache [12:54] cwillu_at_work, so i can actually load some of the files off the reverse-proxy webserve [12:54] cwillu_at_work, great... [12:55] cwillu_at_work, also if i am proxying a LAMP, do i need MySQL and PHP on the reverse proxy host? even if i am not serving any PHP content on that? [13:00] Error404NotFound, lamp is a marketing term :p [13:00] Error404NotFound, you should only ever install what you need [13:00] if you don't need mysql and php on a box, don't install it [13:01] cwillu_at_work, Nginx could be a possible alternate to Apache + mod_proxy + mod_proxy_html + mod_rewrite? [13:01] I suppose so [13:01] I tend to avoid the use of mod_rewrite myself [13:19] In lucid, gdm's default greeter has the same background as the default GNOME desktop, a bar along the bottom that looks like gnome-panel, and a login dialog in the middle that looks rather similar to the old gnome 2.10-ish "loading splash" -- especially since the list of users was empty (apparently it can't/doesn't enumerate LDAP accounts by default). [13:19] This was sufficiently confusing that it took me four reboots and a co-workers' help to realize that the system wasn't crashing in the middle of the casper "ubuntu" user's login -- it was actually the GDM theme. [13:30] Daviey: just popping in.. any questions on the groovy fix proposed by Chris ? [13:31] Daviey: looks like s/groovy/groovy-all/ in eucalyptus-java-common.links might fix it [13:31] ttx: It's not looking like the fix tbh.. I manually did the symlinks, and didn't produce joy [13:31] Just built a package wth it done in the packaging, not expecting it to work [13:31] but thought i should try [13:31] ttx: In other news, removing the battery in the laptop made the NIC start working again :/ [13:32] trying to run with groovy-all in the classpath instead of groovy doesn't fix it ? [13:33] Daviey: about the laptop -- hopefully just a tarnisient issue [13:33] transient, even [13:33] ttx: Yeah, i'm investigating groovy issue as we speak [13:34] ttx: Not currently blocked on anything.. you should be on holiday :) [13:34] hello to all. how do you setup two web servers behind one wan ip to work right ? [13:34] ok, I'll stay around for a few while reading up email -- just in case you have questions [13:34] ttx: thanks [13:35] what is the best way running two servers behind one wan ip ? [13:37] morning [13:38] Xperia [13:38] good evening :-) [13:38] yes i am listening [13:38] I'm no pro [13:38] me either :-) [13:38] But if you are trying to set up 2 servers for 2 fifferent things [13:39] You can use port forwarding on your router [13:39] to send things like mail to one server and webvisits to the other [13:39] is this what you are after or have i misenturpreted [13:39] well i am running webservers that listen on port 80 both [13:39] okies [13:39] so i have two webservers behind a router with a static wan ip [13:40] ok [13:40] and need now to get the second server to run but somehow it wont [13:40] ok [13:40] so all traffic is going to server number 1? [13:41] well in my router i opened port 80 to both servers [13:41] so both servers should be able to answer [13:41] hrmm [13:41] tricky ;/ [13:41] but at the moment only the first delever the page when i call up the hostdomain of the second server [13:42] i just get the wrong page for a host domain [13:42] http://forums.kayako.com/f74/2-web-servers-1-public-ip-address-iis-17558/ [13:42] that should be delevered by the second server [13:43] Not sure if that will help [13:45] well the keyword for resolving that is as i have readed from your post "NameVirtualHost" need to study that more. thank you a lot for the help. your post descibe my problem exactly [13:48] xperia, forwarding 80 to two different boxes won't work [13:49] why not if i may ask ? [13:49] normally it should work with no prob when vhost works [13:50] vhost is different than this though [13:50] with vhosting, you've got one server answering to two different domain names [13:51] in order for your router to figure out which server it's supposed to send the packets to, it would have to provide exactly that [13:51] setting up your server to forward one vhost to the other server is probably the best way to do it, if you want port 80 to work for both addresses (and assuming your router is fairly simple) [13:52] hmmm so if i understand you right you say me the router will probably never send any request to the second router [13:52] to the second server, right. [13:52] or it might just randomly choose :p [13:53] I'm trying to find out the differences between the server and generic kernels, but I'm getting a 404 on http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel, any ideas? [13:53] yeahh that could be the problem. then i need in my bind server to resolve to names to the wanip adress with a specific port like wanip:8081 and then redirect all trafic for this port to the second server in the router [13:54] you can't do that though [13:54] dns has no concept of ports [13:54] i.e.: xperia.com will resolve to your ip address, but there's no way you can also include a port in that [13:54] really. i have read that bind can resolve hostnames with port number [13:55] if that really is not possible with bind how can i run then two servers behind one static ip ? [13:55] now, a different approach would be to have a vhost on server A that simply redirects to xperia.com:81 [13:55] xperia, you use a vhost, and have one server proxy through to the other [13:56] ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.10:8000/ min=10 max=20 retry=0 [13:56] ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.10:8000/ [13:56] yeah this i have allready also thinked but redirects arent really good [13:56] would be the apache for it, (substituting the address as necessary) [13:56] the other approach would be to use a redirect [13:57] even so, you'll find at least some people won't be able to access the server on the non-standard port [13:57] as many firewalls / proxies block such access [13:57] hmmmm did not thinked that such a small problem would need such strange fixes like redirects :-) [13:58] I wouldn't recommend the redirect approach, as I said [13:58] the right solution is the reverse proxy forwarding [13:58] there are smaller servers that are dedicated to such use, although apache will work fine as well [13:59] okay reverse proxy forwarding is a keaword that i need to look further [14:00] i am asking really how does the big hosting companys solve that problem [14:00] note that this implies all of the traffic from the second server will go through the first server as well, but that's pretty much unavoidable [14:00] xperia, they have loadbalancers which basically do exactly this [14:01] The key words are "high availability" and "load balancing". [14:01] they have hundreds of physical servers behind one ip and resolve thousend of hostdomains [14:01] yep [14:01] Daviey: I'm going back to my vacation [14:01] But since you aren't a large corporation yourself, many of the things you find will be out of your experience/budget/feasibility range [14:01] and they have several servers that are largely identical [14:01] well thank you a lot for the info need to look really more into that [14:02] FSVO largely = blade centers :-) [14:03] myself, I just use racks and racks of beagles :) [14:06] I don't have a hard drive. I just keep twelve thousand Indian teenagers in my basement and force them to memorize numbers. -- http://bash.org/?quote=98 [14:07] ttx: have fun! [14:15] In lucid, how do I get to the grub menu (so I can start memtest86+)? [14:15] hold down the right shift key [14:16] Ugh. [14:16] twb, no, ugh is that they did it to save one second on the boot time :p [14:17] twb, you can change that in /etc/default/grub though [14:17] What do you do about HHKBs and such, which have no RHS modifiers? [14:17] ... you change it in /etc/default/grub [14:17] * twb rails at change. ALL change. [14:17] cwillu_at_work: which is great unless you want to get to grub because something is wrong with the boot process [14:18] twb, silly, you should have fixed that before your boot process failed [14:19] I'm starting to think I should install an ubuntu desktop on a scratch laptop, just so I can have experience dealing with these kinds of things before I run into them on production servers. [14:20] I'm getting a crap load of these - Jun 17 16:42:33 incipio kernel: [25879.080753] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=52:54:00:63:d5:dc:54:42:49:02:8c:85:08:00 SRC=10.41.0.194 DST=10.41.0.5 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=8990 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=65170 DPT=80 WINDOW=16227 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 [14:20] I'm trying to find the word to express the particular mixture of amusement, dismay and arrogance I'm feeling in response to that :) [14:20] Port 80 from any to any is allowed into that server... [14:20] I wish vendors wouldn't try to make the look and feel *completely different* with every point release [14:21] (That's not a criticism of Ubuntu, but the industry in general.) [14:21] twb: indeed [14:21] Like how Finder.app has a completely different nonstandard toolbar every damn time. [14:21] twb, you really should have a test server of some sort to do testing on [14:21] production servers generally aren't the place to try things for the first time [14:21] cwillu_at_work: I do, but they're VMs [14:22] MTecknology: is is probably being denied because that packet isn't part of an existing connection (ie you were doing something, then rebooted, then the webserver sent some packets) [14:22] s/ie/eg/ [14:22] And the production servers are a customer-owned hodge-podge, so I can't easily just dedicate one of 30 identical production machines to be my test machine. [14:22] jdstrand: ooooh - that makes a lot of sense - thanks :) [14:22] so, get a cheap laptop to do your testing on :p [14:23] Yeah, I have a 701 sitting at home [14:23] Not that it would've found the RAID nonsense that I was running into on #ubuntu-server [14:23] you can use a raid on a single device, kinda sorta [14:23] True [14:24] it's hard to substitute actual experience on the hardware though :/ [14:24] my usual trick is to spend time figuring stuff out for people in the troubleshooting channels [14:24] that way I get the benefit of experience without the panic of having my own stuff broken :) [14:24] Yeah, I do that, too. [14:26] I don't think too many lucid users are doing stuff with e.g. ten-year-old SCSI DDS drives, though. [14:27] I didn't have to make that work, thankfully, but I had to transplant to 2GiB (yes, two GIG) PATA drive into another host to a new motherboard so that the lucid desktop CD wouldn't bork trying to load a framebuffer [14:28] twb, oh, you know how to pull up the real failsafe vesa x on the live cd? [14:28] hit options, then escape, and then change the boot args to single; then when the recovery menu comes up, choose failsafe x [14:28] the safe-x option in the actually boot menu doesn't do that [14:28] What I want is for "textonly" to work when I append it to the boot: prompt [14:29] I get mixed up between the various forks of casper [14:29] "single" will give you that [14:29] one curses menu, and then you can pull up a normal root prompt [14:29] Hum, I thought that was gone [14:29] nope [14:29] cwillu_at_work: erm, single *on the live CD*, before install? [14:29] yes [14:29] Huh. [14:30] just did it yesterday on a laptop that would hardlock [14:31] When I did a netinst of lucid just now, I noticed that it has come full-circle and is installing and forcing me to configure an MTA (prior to tasksel), just like Debian did way back in 2006 [14:31] I accidentally booted it without priority=low, so I assume it's the default behaviour [15:03] need to create a file server for over 10 users of which I have found windows 7 is not a good solution. I prefer linux to any windows software, but I need to know what issues i might run into using a linux machine to manage file shareing for XP and Win 7 users [15:04] limitations to samba? [15:08] I dont know any as of yet [15:09] Danawar: it doesn't do AD very well yet [15:10] i.e. you probably can't make it the master server of your hundred/thousand-seat AD-centric Microsoft-centric network [15:10] What other software is there that can do Active Directory apart from windows server? [15:11] There isn't any [15:11] ahh i see [15:11] is any one working on any? [15:11] because i think that would be a very cool addition to linux [15:11] nube: if you just want a place to dump files and you have a "hard shell, gooey insides" approach to network security, it'll be fine. [15:11] Danawar: yes, the samba people are working on it [15:12] ideal cant wait :D [15:15] twb, i have 10 users at the moment that need to work off of one file server because i can't trust them to grab the files they are working on, put them on their local machine, and then when done put them back on the file server [15:15] twb, there will be more users and win 7 has a 10 connection limit [15:16] twb, thus now that my network has grown the win 7 machine that is sharing all the files used my users fails [15:17] twb, I think that an ubuntu server edition machine should be plenty sufficent for the purpose, but I need to research the possible issues before attempting to implement that option [15:18] nube: samba will be fine for that [15:18] the only need is for all my users to work off of files on one machine... [15:19] nube: do you have a scratch machine you can use as a test? [15:19] If you do, just spend an hour installing ubuntu-server on it and trying to get samba up and running. [15:19] twb, yes that was my intention.. use it for awhile and see if any issues arise [15:19] If it doesn't work, you've only lost an hour. If it does, you have something concrete you can test with. [15:20] i agree... just have to sell the idea to my boss [15:20] windows server OS seems like a waste of money and super overkill for the need [15:22] It will bit you on the arse if you don't have a "go to" guy who can give you Linux support for it [15:23] twb, at least their is plenty of documentation available for *nix...espcially ubuntu whereas a win machine is about worthless as far as docs go [15:23] Shrug. [15:24] A large part of it is experience and knowing who to ask and where to look. [15:24] There's a SCO 5 (i.e. unix) host sitting on the desk here, and if it had ACTUALLY had bootstrap errors as the customer reported, I would have NO CLUE how to debug, let alone fix, it. [15:25] twb, always been able to implement it at home... have mac os X, win 7 and ubuntu working fine on one network, ssh x11 forwarding, all that good stuff [15:25] SpamapS, do you have a WIP that i could sneak a peak at ? on uec-run-instances [15:25] And I wouldn't be much better with, say, freebsd or slackware. [15:27] twb, any decently spec'd standard desktop machine should be sufficient for hardware correct? [15:27] Depends what you mean by desktpo [15:28] But for ten users, even a Pentium III would suffice [15:28] twb, 64bit dual core processor, 4 gig ram, msi platinum MB, terabyte hardrive, 650W powersupply (overkill) [15:28] ScottK: hey. I'm working on packaging a web package called racksmith (http://racksmith.net). Looking for a) someone to review my package and b) possibly some assistance. Are you able or interested or point me to someone who may be interested? [15:29] Looking [15:30] rgreening: official or third-party/ppa packaging? [15:30] twb, i meant ti power supply was overkill... other spec's plenty sufficient? [15:30] nube: yeah, sure. [15:30] nube: assuming it's not a slow (45,000?) laptop disk. [15:30] twb: looking to get it into Maverick w/ future backport to Lucid. [15:31] Interesting tool. [15:31] demo looks broken here; entries in a rack display over the menu, while the racks themselves don't [15:32] cwillu_at_work: looks OK in w3m-el, which is a nice change for a new-fangled web app :-) [15:32] it's also painfully slow :p [15:32] rgreening: It's made of php and mysql, so I'm really not the person. [15:32] nube: I meant 5400rpm (bad) vs. 7200rpm (good). [15:32] rgreening: I suspect zul might be a good person to review it once you have something. [15:33] twb, have to check but i doubt i spec'd anything under 7200.. [15:33] ScottK: thanks. It's a real pomising project and there's very few packages like it or close to it. [15:34] nube: I mean, a ten-seat NAS could be handled by an 200MHz ARM with 32MB RAM. [15:36] twb, should be simple.. install the OS, copy the files to new machine, share folder, get users to to start working off the that shared folder, right? [15:37] cwillu_at_work: BTW, for comparison, syslinux allows any shift, alt, caps or scroll lock to trigger the "gimme the bootloader menu" [15:37] nube: yep [15:37] twb, is their any reason to use the ubuntu-server edition over the ubuntu desktop version as all it is being used for is sharing files? [15:38] twb, not using it as a web server or database server or any other of these common server requirements [15:38] twb, scrolllock on would be a good one actually; you should file a feature request though [15:38] nube: yes; it'll give you more appropriate install defaults without you needing to futz anything. [15:39] nube: during install you'll be prompted about which services you want -- you should probably tick "file sharing" and "ssh / remote access", or whatever they're called [15:39] cwillu_at_work: which package provides that functionality? grub-pc? [15:40] twb, any of the grub2 packages share the same source packages; grub-pc should work [15:40] OK. I meant grub-pc as opposed to one of the other bits that's involved in bootstrapping. [15:42] cwillu_at_work: according to the changelog, either shift key will work in grub2 [15:43] Silly question: does "splash" turn plymouth on/off as it did usplash? [15:43] twb, believe so, yes [15:43] * twb makes note to check that [15:43] actually, make that an unqualified yes [15:43] whats 'plymouth' ? [15:43] Danawar, boot splash provider [15:44] Danawar: the purple thing before the purple gnome thing [15:44] twb, note also the existence of "plymouth-log", and that "splash" without "quiet" should allow you to see most entries as well as interact with the console [15:45] The plymouth program allows you to change what the ubuntu loading screen looks like? [15:45] yes [15:45] And when set to quite shows you a long list of command that are being run or just a black screen? [15:45] cwillu_at_work: at the end of the day, it's mainly about me wanting bootstrapping to be as dumb and predictable and reliable as possible. [15:46] cwillu_at_work: so while I can understand the need for grub2 "modules" and os-prober and plymouth, I'm apprehensive about them being too clever, too early. [15:46] s/apprehensive/paranoid/ [15:46] note that plymouth was been in use for a few years now [15:46] just new to ubuntu [15:47] Yeah, well. [15:47] Xenix was used for years, but that didn't make it any good [15:48] My gear usually isn't Ubuntu's core market, either. [15:48] servers of arbitary vintage, routers, diskless PXE workstations, etc. [15:48] let me rephrase: we took flack for not using it and instead inventing our own :p [15:49] cwillu_at_work: you mean usplash? [15:49] and xsplash [15:49] Well, but I could trivially disable usplash in 8.04, so I didn't care. [15:50] well, you can trivially disable plymouth too [15:50] I have yet to confirm that with my own eyes :-) [15:50] cat /etc/init/plymouth.conf [15:51] actually, that's a lie, the check is in plymouth itself [15:51] cwillu_at_work: that's irrelevant, because if the root filesystem is mounted, I'm pretty much home free [15:52] It certainly has to at least be *installed*, because upstart Depends: mountall Depends: plymouth. [15:53] So I have (presumably unused) plymouth code installed on this router, which doesn't have any kind of video output at all. [15:53] where do you see that? [15:53] upstart doesn't depend on plymouth here [15:54] cwillu_at_work: via mountall [15:54] hmm, they should have made that a recommends: [15:54] Oh, cool. "apt-cache show foo" now has a Supported: 5y field [15:54] * cwillu_at_work suggests twb file another bug :) [15:54]