| jazz | hello: ive a few questions is anyone available? | 18:39 |
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| jazz | is there only "alternative install" download dvds? | 18:40 |
| holstein | hey jazz | 18:40 |
| holstein | the alternate is what we got | 18:41 |
| jazz | holstein: hello | 18:41 |
| holstein | you can install from the live CD | 18:41 |
| holstein | and add the ubuntustudio packages | 18:41 |
| holstein | check out | 18:41 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 18:41 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 18:41 |
| jazz | i was making sure i downloaded the proper iso... | 18:41 |
| holstein | and... | 18:41 |
| holstein | OH | 18:41 |
| holstein | gotcha | 18:41 |
| holstein | jazz: i ran into a glitch | 18:41 |
| holstein | with the installer | 18:42 |
| holstein | if you run into any errors, let me know | 18:42 |
| jazz | the install was not what im used to being new from karmic... | 18:42 |
| holstein | OH | 18:42 |
| holstein | the text-based installer | 18:42 |
| holstein | yeah | 18:42 |
| holstein | does the job though | 18:42 |
| jazz | when all was said and done,... i couldnt get online | 18:42 |
| holstein | wireless? | 18:43 |
| jazz | i thought something was wrong, ..aye. wireless... | 18:43 |
| jazz | where i am at right now i am using "someones" signal and it comes and goes) | 18:43 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio doesnt install the net applet | 18:43 |
| * holstein looks | 18:44 | |
| jazz | at home though... i have my own network | 18:44 |
| holstein | if you want the gnome net applet | 18:44 |
| holstein | you can get online wired | 18:45 |
| holstein | and do | 18:45 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install nm-applet | 18:45 |
| holstein | OR | 18:45 |
| jazz | were i to wait till i go home and reinstall i should get t... | 18:45 |
| holstein | search for it in synaptic | 18:45 |
| holstein | ALSO | 18:45 |
| holstein | i have been told it is on the DVD | 18:45 |
| holstein | if you cant get online | 18:45 |
| holstein | you can use the DVD as a repository | 18:45 |
| holstein | and install from it | 18:46 |
| jazz | so its on the dvd just not automatically installed? or should i reinstall back at home where i have the internet | 18:47 |
| holstein | jazz: why were you planning on reinstalling? | 18:49 |
| holstein | just for the net issue? | 18:49 |
| jazz | no, after installing i get an error about my hdd | 18:50 |
| jazz | it has bad sectors and things windont tell you about... :( | 18:51 |
| holstein | AH | 18:51 |
| holstein | yeah, you might want to sort that out | 18:51 |
| jazz | i use kubuntu right now for everything else | 18:52 |
| jazz | is it possible to dual boot ubuntu studios and linux mint 9? | 18:53 |
| holstein | you might want to read about http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-74733.html | 18:53 |
| holstein | jazz: its linux, you can do whatever you want :) | 18:53 |
| holstein | you can add the ubuntusutdio packages to kubuntu | 18:54 |
| holstein | if you prefer KDE | 18:54 |
| jazz | i really do.. :) | 18:55 |
| holstein | if you go to synaptic | 18:55 |
| holstein | or however you install packages | 18:55 |
| holstein | and search for 'ubuntustudio' | 18:55 |
| jazz | although nautilus does split window with f3 from what i read | 18:55 |
| holstein | you can read about the meta-packages | 18:55 |
| holstein | you dont want the ones for the theme-ing | 18:55 |
| holstein | yeah, F3 does that :) | 18:56 |
| * holstein had to test it just now though | 18:57 | |
| holstein | i use the tabs | 18:57 |
| jazz | will i then have a choice on login for ubuntu studio and kde? | 18:57 |
| holstein | nope | 18:57 |
| holstein | you'll just log into kubuntu | 18:57 |
| holstein | and the ubuntu-studio packages will be installed in there | 18:58 |
| holstein | jazz: you can just install what you want | 18:58 |
| holstein | LIKE | 18:58 |
| holstein | JACK ardour blender .... whatever | 18:58 |
| holstein | thats all ubuntustudio is really | 18:58 |
| holstein | just a collection of multimediea packages | 18:58 |
| holstein | with a distrobution installer too that has a nice gnome theme | 18:59 |
| holstein | jazz: are you insterested in audio? video? graphics? | 18:59 |
| jazz | yes | 18:59 |
| jazz | very ,much | 18:59 |
| holstein | all of it... | 18:59 |
| holstein | SO | 18:59 |
| holstein | you could do | 19:00 |
| jazz | i have been working on an album with AbletonLIVE and Reason 4.0 | 19:01 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video | 19:01 |
| holstein | check out that link | 19:01 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 19:01 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 19:01 |
| holstein | and this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList | 19:01 |
| jazz | if for example i have already blender and inkscape it will just update them right? | 19:02 |
| holstein | probably not | 19:03 |
| holstein | it would be the same versions i would think | 19:03 |
| holstein | its all coming from the same repositories | 19:03 |
| holstein | for example | 19:04 |
| holstein | installing the meta-package ubuntustudio-graphics | 19:04 |
| holstein | has the same effect as installing... | 19:04 |
| holstein | inkscape blender gimp gimp-data-extras gimp-gap gimp-ufraw gimp-plugin-registry f-spot scribus fontforge gnome-raw-thumbnailer xsane wacom-tools hugin agave yafray synfigstudio | 19:04 |
| holstein | all seperately | 19:04 |
| jazz | know for some reasom my kubuntu hdd, when i boot up i get a no such partition grub rescue...but its the only os on that particular hdd | 19:05 |
| holstein | kubuntu 10.04? | 19:05 |
| jazz | i get it now.. fresh install is much more convenient than chasing the individual packages | 19:06 |
| jazz | aye.. 10.04 | 19:06 |
| holstein | sometimes its as simple as running 'sudo update-grub' | 19:06 |
| holstein | again | 19:06 |
| holstein | you might want to read through | 19:06 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 19:06 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 | 19:06 |
| jazz | im on my mint hdd wich still has mint8.. | 19:06 |
| holstein | if your in a working system | 19:07 |
| holstein | in theory | 19:07 |
| holstein | if you run update-grub | 19:07 |
| holstein | grub should go and find all the other OS's | 19:07 |
| holstein | and give them an entry | 19:07 |
| holstein | give all the kernels an entry i should say | 19:08 |
| jazz | isnt it all the same linux kernal? just different companies? | 19:08 |
| jazz | red hat, debian, SUSE, ubuntu ...etc? | 19:08 |
| holstein | i think its safe to assume on some level the kernels are similar | 19:09 |
| holstein | but even ubuntu maintains several different kernel versions | 19:09 |
| holstein | they can be quite different | 19:10 |
| holstein | for example | 19:10 |
| holstein | on what hardware support the distros choose to include in the kernel version | 19:10 |
| jazz | is that what makes lucid "find" more wireless cards than karmic or jaunty? | 19:13 |
| holstein | some additional support could have been added | 19:14 |
| holstein | also, older ones can be taken out | 19:14 |
| jazz | when i began using ubuntu i had 2 weeks to wait for karmic i downloaded jaunty and used the live disc, ubuntu studios seems to have everything i would want a computer for personally | 19:15 |
| holstein | cool | 19:15 |
| holstein | yeah, its nice | 19:15 |
| holstein | and you might not like gnome | 19:15 |
| holstein | but the artwork and themes are really nice | 19:15 |
| jazz | i like the sound board wallpaper.. | 19:17 |
| holstein | i use to get that really dark gnome theme on other boxes too | 19:17 |
| jazz | will 40gig hdd be enough? for everything with a freshinstall? | 19:17 |
| holstein | now there are some nicer dark themes in the standard install though | 19:18 |
| holstein | jazz: that should be plenty for the install | 19:18 |
| holstein | and then some | 19:18 |
| holstein | jazz: you will need some space for audio/video files | 19:18 |
| holstein | assuming how much of that you want to be doing | 19:18 |
| holstein | i like to record to a seperate drive though | 19:18 |
| holstein | personally | 19:19 |
| jazz | sweet, ill do a fresh install of ubuntustudio i have a 250gig hdd wich has my "crap" | 19:19 |
| jazz | its treated as an external only its an internal drive | 19:20 |
| holstein | i finally added my drive to /etc/fstab | 19:21 |
| holstein | so it would be mounted automatically | 19:21 |
| holstein | i wasnt sure about how i wanted the system to work long-term | 19:22 |
| jazz | i'll probably add some "programming" and "web development" items to the mix...is there i didnt think to look, an email client in there as well? | 19:22 |
| holstein | thunerbird should be there | 19:22 |
| holstein | and whatever lucid is using by default | 19:22 |
| holstein | evolution? i think | 19:22 |
| holstein | if not, you can install whatever you want | 19:22 |
| jazz | yeah i wasnt sure about KDE either but now i think i will miss my widgets...plasmoids. though i didnt use many i like a clean empty desktop | 19:23 |
| * holstein uses gnome | 19:24 | |
| holstein | i dont like KDE much | 19:24 |
| holstein | seems too heavy for my older hardware | 19:24 |
| holstein | BUT thats what linux is all about | 19:24 |
| holstein | choices | 19:24 |
| holstein | and AFAIK | 19:24 |
| holstein | in ubuntustudio | 19:24 |
| holstein | you should be able to install KDE without much trouble | 19:24 |
| holstein | you could try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' | 19:25 |
| holstein | kubuntu zubuntu and lubuntu are all meta-packages now too | 19:25 |
| holstein | just read what packages are about to be removed | 19:25 |
| holstein | you might lose a lot of the ubuntustudio themeing | 19:25 |
| jazz | my brother does artwork and i do music. and he aslo does jokesayers.com (not a plug) | 19:26 |
| jazz | so i have been thinking about ubuntu studio while learning a new os | 19:26 |
| holstein | its great | 19:26 |
| holstein | you might enjoy http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ | 19:27 |
| jazz | wow i had a glitch, all the last12 lines jumpped up at once | 19:27 |
| holstein | ^^ (that is a plug) :) | 19:27 |
| holstein | jazz: in what? | 19:28 |
| holstein | the installer? | 19:28 |
| jazz | themeing? meaning my choices of themes or programs to create themes? | 19:31 |
| jazz | what is this? | 19:31 |
| holstein | theres a different splash screen | 19:31 |
| jazz | i have a "demo song" on sound cloud. i dont have the link at moment. but i did it to check it out | 19:32 |
| holstein | and login screen | 19:32 |
| holstein | with ubuntustudio | 19:32 |
| jazz | no the "plug" link you sent? | 19:32 |
| holstein | and i bet installing kubuntu-desktop will want to remove that stuff | 19:32 |
| holstein | and im not sure how that would work | 19:32 |
| holstein | BUT if you want KDE, that can happen | 19:33 |
| holstein | and you should be able to have both KDE and GNOME | 19:33 |
| holstein | and whatever else you want | 19:33 |
| holstein | and choose between them at login | 19:33 |
| jazz | i try to avaoid chosing at login,...een dual booting | 19:33 |
| jazz | either in haste i end up loggin in to the usual, you know? | 19:35 |
| holstein | sure | 19:35 |
| holstein | nice to have the options though | 19:35 |
| holstein | easily availalbe | 19:36 |
| holstein | available* | 19:36 |
| jazz | sweet! i found recover grub 2 via live disc in one of the links you provided | 19:36 |
| holstein | thats where i would start jazz | 19:36 |
| holstein | if its borked | 19:36 |
| holstein | your not going to bork it any more | 19:36 |
| jazz | what distro do you use? | 19:36 |
| holstein | and your DATA is still going to be there | 19:37 |
| holstein | if you need to recovery it | 19:37 |
| holstein | jazz: im running ubuntu on everything now :) | 19:37 |
| holstein | i got a server install | 19:37 |
| holstein | a xubuntu box running as a headless server | 19:37 |
| holstein | 3 ubuntu lucid installs running the ubuntustudio packages | 19:38 |
| holstein | and a netbook remix | 19:38 |
| holstein | and a 10.10 test install of ubuntustudio | 19:38 |
| jazz | sweet | 19:39 |
| jazz | i have kubuntu on one hdd and (soon) ubuntu studio on another...unfourtunately i cant run two ide drives at once the mothorboard dont have the extra slot... | 19:41 |
| holstein | i think thats a nice way to go though | 19:41 |
| holstein | in a test environment | 19:41 |
| holstein | i use to do that too | 19:41 |
| holstein | just hot plug whatever OS i wanted to use | 19:41 |
| jazz | i thank you for you time,....and help. | 19:47 |
| holstein | jazz: anytime | 19:47 |
| holstein | let us know how it works out for you :) | 19:47 |
| * jussi hi 5's holstein for excellent support once again | 21:12 | |
| holstein | jussi: :) | 21:13 |
| tucemiux | what is the proper way of installing real time kernel in lucid? | 23:21 |
| vlada | tucemiux, I'd like to hear that too | 23:41 |
| vlada | in addition - is preempt the same as realtime? | 23:42 |
| tucemiux | vlada, i think were supposed to install the headers and then the kernel but Im not sure, I tried it once and apparently I didnt do it correctly | 23:42 |
| tucemiux | vlada, preempt means you have a real time kernel | 23:42 |
| vlada | tucemiux, then I got it installed with ubuntustudio by default | 23:43 |
| tucemiux | vlada, karmic I think has it by default but not lucid unless you did an upgrade to lucid | 23:43 |
| ScottL | vlada, tucemiux https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel | 23:44 |
| vlada | I have it without changing anything | 23:44 |
| vlada | Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-23-preempt #37-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 11 10:19:07 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 23:44 |
| ScottL | preempt is not real time by the way | 23:45 |
| vlada | ScottL, thanks | 23:50 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, sup, how youre doing, you know how to apply the real time kernel on lucid? | 23:52 |
| ScottL | tucemiux, vlada : let's be careful about the real-time kernel, it brings its own additional problems with it | 23:56 |
| ScottL | why do you feel that you need it? are you trying to achieve lower latency? | 23:56 |
| ScottL | abogani (the ubuntu studio project kernel guy) recommoned trying (in order): -generic, -preempt-, -lowlatency, -rt | 23:57 |
| ScottL | if you are running a laptop you may want to keep either -generic or -preempt because it doesn't sacrifice power savings on the battery | 23:57 |
| ScottL | since lucid i have been recording with the -generic kernel and it has served me rather well, but i'm using a desktop computer with delta-44 (pci card) | 23:58 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, thanks for the advice, I'll tr it with the generic kernel then | 23:59 |
| ScottL | to install these, all you need to do is search for them in synaptic and install it, it will handle the rest tucemiux | 23:59 |
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