[18:39] <jazz> hello: ive a few questions is anyone available?
[18:40] <jazz> is there only "alternative install" download dvds?
[18:40] <holstein> hey jazz
[18:41] <holstein> the alternate is what we got
[18:41] <jazz> holstein:  hello
[18:41] <holstein> you can install from the live CD
[18:41] <holstein> and add the ubuntustudio packages
[18:41] <holstein> check out
[18:41] <holstein> !vanilla
[18:41] <jazz> i was making sure i downloaded the proper iso...
[18:41] <holstein> and...
[18:41] <holstein> OH
[18:41] <holstein> gotcha
[18:41] <holstein> jazz: i ran into a glitch
[18:42] <holstein> with the installer
[18:42] <holstein> if you run into any errors, let me know
[18:42] <jazz> the install was not what im used to  being new from karmic...
[18:42] <holstein> OH
[18:42] <holstein> the text-based installer
[18:42] <holstein> yeah
[18:42] <holstein> does the job though
[18:42] <jazz> when all was said and done,... i couldnt get online
[18:43] <holstein> wireless?
[18:43] <jazz> i thought something was wrong, ..aye. wireless...
[18:43] <jazz> where i am at  right now i am using "someones" signal and it comes and goes)
[18:43] <holstein> ubuntustudio doesnt install the net applet
[18:44]  * holstein looks
[18:44] <jazz> at home though... i have my own network
[18:44] <holstein> if you want the gnome net applet
[18:45] <holstein> you can get online wired
[18:45] <holstein> and do
[18:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get install nm-applet
[18:45] <holstein> OR
[18:45] <jazz> were i to wait till i go home and reinstall i should get t...
[18:45] <holstein> search for it in synaptic
[18:45] <holstein> ALSO
[18:45] <holstein> i have been told it is on the DVD
[18:45] <holstein> if you cant get online
[18:45] <holstein> you can use the DVD as a repository
[18:46] <holstein> and install from it
[18:47] <jazz> so its on the dvd just not automatically installed?  or should i reinstall back at home where i have the internet
[18:49] <holstein> jazz: why were you planning on reinstalling?
[18:49] <holstein> just for the net issue?
[18:50] <jazz> no, after installing  i get an error  about my hdd
[18:51] <jazz> it has bad sectors and things windont tell you about... :(
[18:51] <holstein> AH
[18:51] <holstein> yeah, you might want to sort that out
[18:52] <jazz> i use kubuntu right now for everything else
[18:53] <jazz> is it possible to dual boot ubuntu studios and linux mint 9?
[18:53] <holstein> you might want to read about http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-74733.html
[18:53] <holstein> jazz: its linux, you can do whatever you want :)
[18:54] <holstein> you can add the ubuntusutdio packages to kubuntu
[18:54] <holstein> if you prefer KDE
[18:55] <jazz> i really do.. :)
[18:55] <holstein> if you go to synaptic
[18:55] <holstein> or however you install packages
[18:55] <holstein> and search for 'ubuntustudio'
[18:55] <jazz> although nautilus does split window with f3 from what i read
[18:55] <holstein> you can read about the meta-packages
[18:55] <holstein> you dont want the ones for the theme-ing
[18:56] <holstein> yeah, F3 does that :)
[18:57]  * holstein had to test it just now though
[18:57] <holstein> i use the tabs
[18:57] <jazz> will i then have a choice on login for ubuntu studio and kde?
[18:57] <holstein> nope
[18:57] <holstein> you'll just log into kubuntu
[18:58] <holstein> and the ubuntu-studio packages will be installed in there
[18:58] <holstein> jazz: you can just install what you want
[18:58] <holstein> LIKE
[18:58] <holstein> JACK ardour blender .... whatever
[18:58] <holstein> thats all ubuntustudio is really
[18:58] <holstein> just a collection of multimediea packages
[18:59] <holstein> with a distrobution installer too that has a nice gnome theme
[18:59] <holstein> jazz: are you insterested in audio? video? graphics?
[18:59] <jazz> yes
[18:59] <jazz> very ,much
[18:59] <holstein> all of it...
[18:59] <holstein> SO
[19:00] <holstein> you could do
[19:01] <jazz> i have been working on an album with AbletonLIVE and Reason 4.0
[19:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video
[19:01] <holstein> check out that link
[19:01] <holstein> !vanilla
[19:01] <holstein> and this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList
[19:02] <jazz> if for example i have already blender and inkscape it will just update them right?
[19:03] <holstein> probably not
[19:03] <holstein> it would be the same versions i would think
[19:03] <holstein> its all coming from the same repositories
[19:04] <holstein> for example
[19:04] <holstein> installing the meta-package ubuntustudio-graphics
[19:04] <holstein> has the same effect as installing...
[19:04] <holstein> inkscape blender gimp gimp-data-extras gimp-gap gimp-ufraw gimp-plugin-registry f-spot scribus fontforge gnome-raw-thumbnailer xsane wacom-tools hugin agave yafray synfigstudio
[19:04] <holstein> all seperately
[19:05] <jazz> know for some reasom my kubuntu hdd, when i boot up i get a no such partition grub rescue...but its the only os on that particular hdd
[19:05] <holstein> kubuntu 10.04?
[19:06] <jazz> i get it now.. fresh install is much more convenient than chasing the individual packages
[19:06] <jazz> aye.. 10.04
[19:06] <holstein> sometimes its as simple as running 'sudo update-grub'
[19:06] <holstein> again
[19:06] <holstein> you might want to read through
[19:06] <holstein> !grub2
[19:06] <jazz> im on my mint hdd wich still has mint8..
[19:07] <holstein> if your in a working system
[19:07] <holstein> in theory
[19:07] <holstein> if you run update-grub
[19:07] <holstein> grub should go and find all the other OS's
[19:07] <holstein> and give them an entry
[19:08] <holstein> give all the kernels an entry i should say
[19:08] <jazz> isnt it all the same linux kernal? just different companies?
[19:08] <jazz> red hat, debian, SUSE, ubuntu ...etc?
[19:09] <holstein> i think its safe to assume on some level the kernels are similar
[19:09] <holstein> but even ubuntu maintains several different kernel versions
[19:10] <holstein> they can be quite different
[19:10] <holstein> for example
[19:10] <holstein> on what hardware support the distros choose to include in the kernel version
[19:13] <jazz> is that what makes lucid "find" more wireless cards than karmic or jaunty?
[19:14] <holstein> some additional support could have been added
[19:14] <holstein> also, older ones can be taken out
[19:15] <jazz> when i began using ubuntu i had 2 weeks to wait for karmic i downloaded jaunty and used the live disc, ubuntu studios seems to have everything i would want a computer for personally
[19:15] <holstein> cool
[19:15] <holstein> yeah, its nice
[19:15] <holstein> and you might not like gnome
[19:15] <holstein> but the artwork and themes are really nice
[19:17] <jazz> i like the sound board wallpaper..
[19:17] <holstein> i use to get that really dark gnome theme on other boxes too
[19:17] <jazz> will 40gig hdd be enough? for everything with a freshinstall?
[19:18] <holstein> now there are some nicer dark themes in the standard install though
[19:18] <holstein> jazz: that should be plenty for the install
[19:18] <holstein> and then some
[19:18] <holstein> jazz: you will need some space for audio/video files
[19:18] <holstein> assuming how much of that you want to be doing
[19:18] <holstein> i like to record to a seperate drive though
[19:19] <holstein> personally
[19:19] <jazz> sweet, ill do a fresh install of ubuntustudio i have a 250gig hdd wich has my "crap"
[19:20] <jazz> its treated as an external only its an internal drive
[19:21] <holstein> i finally added my drive to /etc/fstab
[19:21] <holstein> so it would be mounted automatically
[19:22] <holstein> i wasnt sure about how i wanted the system to work long-term
[19:22] <jazz> i'll probably add some "programming" and "web development" items  to the mix...is there i didnt think to look, an email client in there as well?
[19:22] <holstein> thunerbird should be there
[19:22] <holstein> and whatever lucid is using by default
[19:22] <holstein> evolution? i think
[19:22] <holstein> if not, you can install whatever you want
[19:23] <jazz> yeah i wasnt sure about KDE either but now i think i will miss my widgets...plasmoids. though i didnt use many i like a clean empty desktop
[19:24]  * holstein uses gnome
[19:24] <holstein> i dont like KDE much
[19:24] <holstein> seems too heavy for my older hardware
[19:24] <holstein> BUT thats what linux is all about
[19:24] <holstein> choices
[19:24] <holstein> and AFAIK
[19:24] <holstein> in ubuntustudio
[19:24] <holstein> you should be able to install KDE without much trouble
[19:25] <holstein> you could try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[19:25] <holstein> kubuntu zubuntu and lubuntu are all meta-packages now too
[19:25] <holstein> just read what packages are about to be removed
[19:25] <holstein> you might lose a lot of the ubuntustudio themeing
[19:26] <jazz> my  brother does artwork and i do music. and he aslo does jokesayers.com (not a plug)
[19:26] <jazz> so i have been thinking about ubuntu studio  while learning  a new os
[19:26] <holstein> its great
[19:27] <holstein> you might enjoy http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[19:27] <jazz> wow  i had a glitch, all the last12 lines  jumpped  up at once
[19:27] <holstein> ^^ (that is a plug)  :)
[19:28] <holstein> jazz: in what?
[19:28] <holstein> the installer?
[19:31] <jazz> themeing? meaning  my choices of themes  or  programs to  create themes?
[19:31] <jazz> what  is this?
[19:31] <holstein> theres a different splash screen
[19:32] <jazz> i have a "demo song" on sound cloud. i dont have the link at moment. but i did it to check it out
[19:32] <holstein> and login screen
[19:32] <holstein> with ubuntustudio
[19:32] <jazz> no the "plug" link you sent?
[19:32] <holstein> and i bet installing kubuntu-desktop will want to remove that stuff
[19:32] <holstein> and im not sure how that would work
[19:33] <holstein> BUT if you want KDE, that can happen
[19:33] <holstein> and you should be able to have both KDE and GNOME
[19:33] <holstein> and whatever else you want
[19:33] <holstein> and choose between them at login
[19:33] <jazz> i try to avaoid chosing at login,...een dual booting
[19:35] <jazz> either in haste i end up loggin in to the usual, you know?
[19:35] <holstein> sure
[19:35] <holstein> nice to have the options though
[19:36] <holstein> easily availalbe
[19:36] <holstein> available*
[19:36] <jazz> sweet! i found recover grub 2 via live disc in one of the links you provided
[19:36] <holstein> thats where i would start jazz
[19:36] <holstein> if its borked
[19:36] <holstein> your not going to bork it any more
[19:36] <jazz> what distro do you use?
[19:37] <holstein> and your DATA is still going to be there
[19:37] <holstein> if you need to recovery it
[19:37] <holstein> jazz: im running ubuntu on everything now :)
[19:37] <holstein> i got a server install
[19:37] <holstein> a xubuntu box running as a headless server
[19:38] <holstein> 3 ubuntu lucid installs running the ubuntustudio packages
[19:38] <holstein> and a netbook remix
[19:38] <holstein> and a 10.10 test install of ubuntustudio
[19:39] <jazz> sweet
[19:41] <jazz> i have kubuntu on one hdd and (soon) ubuntu studio on another...unfourtunately i cant run two ide drives at once the mothorboard dont have the extra slot...
[19:41] <holstein> i think thats a nice way to go though
[19:41] <holstein> in a test environment
[19:41] <holstein> i use to do that too
[19:41] <holstein> just hot plug whatever OS i wanted to use
[19:47] <jazz> i thank you for you time,....and help.
[19:47] <holstein> jazz: anytime
[19:47] <holstein> let us know how it works out for you :)
[21:12]  * jussi hi 5's holstein for excellent support once again
[21:13] <holstein> jussi: :)
[23:21] <tucemiux> what is the proper way of installing real time kernel in lucid?
[23:41] <vlada> tucemiux, I'd like to hear that too
[23:42] <vlada> in addition - is preempt the same as realtime?
[23:42] <tucemiux> vlada, i think were supposed to install the headers and then the kernel but Im not sure, I tried it once and apparently I didnt do it correctly
[23:42] <tucemiux> vlada, preempt means  you have a real time kernel
[23:43] <vlada> tucemiux, then I got it installed with ubuntustudio by default
[23:43] <tucemiux> vlada, karmic I think has it by default but not lucid unless you did an upgrade to lucid
[23:44] <ScottL> vlada, tucemiux   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[23:44] <vlada> I have it without changing anything
[23:44] <vlada> Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-23-preempt #37-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 11 10:19:07 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:45] <ScottL> preempt is not real time by the way
[23:50] <vlada> ScottL, thanks
[23:52] <tucemiux> ScottL,  sup, how youre doing, you know how to apply the real time kernel on lucid?
[23:56] <ScottL> tucemiux, vlada : let's be careful about the real-time kernel, it brings its own additional problems with it
[23:56] <ScottL> why do you feel that you need it?  are you trying to achieve lower latency?
[23:57] <ScottL> abogani (the ubuntu studio project kernel guy) recommoned trying (in order): -generic, -preempt-, -lowlatency, -rt
[23:57] <ScottL> if you are running a laptop you may want to keep either -generic or -preempt because it doesn't sacrifice power savings on the battery
[23:58] <ScottL> since lucid i have been recording with the -generic kernel and it has served me rather well, but i'm using a desktop computer with delta-44 (pci card)
[23:59] <tucemiux> ScottL, thanks for the advice, I'll tr it with the generic kernel then
[23:59] <ScottL> to install these, all you need to do is search for them in synaptic and install it, it will handle the rest tucemiux