[18:39] hello: ive a few questions is anyone available? [18:40] is there only "alternative install" download dvds? [18:40] hey jazz [18:41] the alternate is what we got [18:41] holstein: hello [18:41] you can install from the live CD [18:41] and add the ubuntustudio packages [18:41] check out [18:41] !vanilla [18:41] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [18:41] i was making sure i downloaded the proper iso... [18:41] and... [18:41] OH [18:41] gotcha [18:41] jazz: i ran into a glitch [18:42] with the installer [18:42] if you run into any errors, let me know [18:42] the install was not what im used to being new from karmic... [18:42] OH [18:42] the text-based installer [18:42] yeah [18:42] does the job though [18:42] when all was said and done,... i couldnt get online [18:43] wireless? [18:43] i thought something was wrong, ..aye. wireless... [18:43] where i am at right now i am using "someones" signal and it comes and goes) [18:43] ubuntustudio doesnt install the net applet [18:44] * holstein looks [18:44] at home though... i have my own network [18:44] if you want the gnome net applet [18:45] you can get online wired [18:45] and do [18:45] sudo apt-get install nm-applet [18:45] OR [18:45] were i to wait till i go home and reinstall i should get t... [18:45] search for it in synaptic [18:45] ALSO [18:45] i have been told it is on the DVD [18:45] if you cant get online [18:45] you can use the DVD as a repository [18:46] and install from it [18:47] so its on the dvd just not automatically installed? or should i reinstall back at home where i have the internet [18:49] jazz: why were you planning on reinstalling? [18:49] just for the net issue? [18:50] no, after installing i get an error about my hdd [18:51] it has bad sectors and things windont tell you about... :( [18:51] AH [18:51] yeah, you might want to sort that out [18:52] i use kubuntu right now for everything else [18:53] is it possible to dual boot ubuntu studios and linux mint 9? [18:53] you might want to read about http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-74733.html [18:53] jazz: its linux, you can do whatever you want :) [18:54] you can add the ubuntusutdio packages to kubuntu [18:54] if you prefer KDE [18:55] i really do.. :) [18:55] if you go to synaptic [18:55] or however you install packages [18:55] and search for 'ubuntustudio' [18:55] although nautilus does split window with f3 from what i read [18:55] you can read about the meta-packages [18:55] you dont want the ones for the theme-ing [18:56] yeah, F3 does that :) [18:57] * holstein had to test it just now though [18:57] i use the tabs [18:57] will i then have a choice on login for ubuntu studio and kde? [18:57] nope [18:57] you'll just log into kubuntu [18:58] and the ubuntu-studio packages will be installed in there [18:58] jazz: you can just install what you want [18:58] LIKE [18:58] JACK ardour blender .... whatever [18:58] thats all ubuntustudio is really [18:58] just a collection of multimediea packages [18:59] with a distrobution installer too that has a nice gnome theme [18:59] jazz: are you insterested in audio? video? graphics? [18:59] yes [18:59] very ,much [18:59] all of it... [18:59] SO [19:00] you could do [19:01] i have been working on an album with AbletonLIVE and Reason 4.0 [19:01] sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video [19:01] check out that link [19:01] !vanilla [19:01] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [19:01] and this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList [19:02] if for example i have already blender and inkscape it will just update them right? [19:03] probably not [19:03] it would be the same versions i would think [19:03] its all coming from the same repositories [19:04] for example [19:04] installing the meta-package ubuntustudio-graphics [19:04] has the same effect as installing... [19:04] inkscape blender gimp gimp-data-extras gimp-gap gimp-ufraw gimp-plugin-registry f-spot scribus fontforge gnome-raw-thumbnailer xsane wacom-tools hugin agave yafray synfigstudio [19:04] all seperately [19:05] know for some reasom my kubuntu hdd, when i boot up i get a no such partition grub rescue...but its the only os on that particular hdd [19:05] kubuntu 10.04? [19:06] i get it now.. fresh install is much more convenient than chasing the individual packages [19:06] aye.. 10.04 [19:06] sometimes its as simple as running 'sudo update-grub' [19:06] again [19:06] you might want to read through [19:06] !grub2 [19:06] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [19:06] im on my mint hdd wich still has mint8.. [19:07] if your in a working system [19:07] in theory [19:07] if you run update-grub [19:07] grub should go and find all the other OS's [19:07] and give them an entry [19:08] give all the kernels an entry i should say [19:08] isnt it all the same linux kernal? just different companies? [19:08] red hat, debian, SUSE, ubuntu ...etc? [19:09] i think its safe to assume on some level the kernels are similar [19:09] but even ubuntu maintains several different kernel versions [19:10] they can be quite different [19:10] for example [19:10] on what hardware support the distros choose to include in the kernel version [19:13] is that what makes lucid "find" more wireless cards than karmic or jaunty? [19:14] some additional support could have been added [19:14] also, older ones can be taken out [19:15] when i began using ubuntu i had 2 weeks to wait for karmic i downloaded jaunty and used the live disc, ubuntu studios seems to have everything i would want a computer for personally [19:15] cool [19:15] yeah, its nice [19:15] and you might not like gnome [19:15] but the artwork and themes are really nice [19:17] i like the sound board wallpaper.. [19:17] i use to get that really dark gnome theme on other boxes too [19:17] will 40gig hdd be enough? for everything with a freshinstall? [19:18] now there are some nicer dark themes in the standard install though [19:18] jazz: that should be plenty for the install [19:18] and then some [19:18] jazz: you will need some space for audio/video files [19:18] assuming how much of that you want to be doing [19:18] i like to record to a seperate drive though [19:19] personally [19:19] sweet, ill do a fresh install of ubuntustudio i have a 250gig hdd wich has my "crap" [19:20] its treated as an external only its an internal drive [19:21] i finally added my drive to /etc/fstab [19:21] so it would be mounted automatically [19:22] i wasnt sure about how i wanted the system to work long-term [19:22] i'll probably add some "programming" and "web development" items to the mix...is there i didnt think to look, an email client in there as well? [19:22] thunerbird should be there [19:22] and whatever lucid is using by default [19:22] evolution? i think [19:22] if not, you can install whatever you want [19:23] yeah i wasnt sure about KDE either but now i think i will miss my widgets...plasmoids. though i didnt use many i like a clean empty desktop [19:24] * holstein uses gnome [19:24] i dont like KDE much [19:24] seems too heavy for my older hardware [19:24] BUT thats what linux is all about [19:24] choices [19:24] and AFAIK [19:24] in ubuntustudio [19:24] you should be able to install KDE without much trouble [19:25] you could try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' [19:25] kubuntu zubuntu and lubuntu are all meta-packages now too [19:25] just read what packages are about to be removed [19:25] you might lose a lot of the ubuntustudio themeing [19:26] my brother does artwork and i do music. and he aslo does jokesayers.com (not a plug) [19:26] so i have been thinking about ubuntu studio while learning a new os [19:26] its great [19:27] you might enjoy http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ [19:27] wow i had a glitch, all the last12 lines jumpped up at once [19:27] ^^ (that is a plug) :) [19:28] jazz: in what? [19:28] the installer? [19:31] themeing? meaning my choices of themes or programs to create themes? [19:31] what is this? [19:31] theres a different splash screen [19:32] i have a "demo song" on sound cloud. i dont have the link at moment. but i did it to check it out [19:32] and login screen [19:32] with ubuntustudio [19:32] no the "plug" link you sent? [19:32] and i bet installing kubuntu-desktop will want to remove that stuff [19:32] and im not sure how that would work [19:33] BUT if you want KDE, that can happen [19:33] and you should be able to have both KDE and GNOME [19:33] and whatever else you want [19:33] and choose between them at login [19:33] i try to avaoid chosing at login,...een dual booting [19:35] either in haste i end up loggin in to the usual, you know? [19:35] sure [19:35] nice to have the options though [19:36] easily availalbe [19:36] available* [19:36] sweet! i found recover grub 2 via live disc in one of the links you provided [19:36] thats where i would start jazz [19:36] if its borked [19:36] your not going to bork it any more [19:36] what distro do you use? [19:37] and your DATA is still going to be there [19:37] if you need to recovery it [19:37] jazz: im running ubuntu on everything now :) [19:37] i got a server install [19:37] a xubuntu box running as a headless server [19:38] 3 ubuntu lucid installs running the ubuntustudio packages [19:38] and a netbook remix [19:38] and a 10.10 test install of ubuntustudio [19:39] sweet [19:41] i have kubuntu on one hdd and (soon) ubuntu studio on another...unfourtunately i cant run two ide drives at once the mothorboard dont have the extra slot... [19:41] i think thats a nice way to go though [19:41] in a test environment [19:41] i use to do that too [19:41] just hot plug whatever OS i wanted to use [19:47] i thank you for you time,....and help. [19:47] jazz: anytime [19:47] let us know how it works out for you :) [21:12] * jussi hi 5's holstein for excellent support once again [21:13] jussi: :) [23:21] what is the proper way of installing real time kernel in lucid? [23:41] tucemiux, I'd like to hear that too [23:42] in addition - is preempt the same as realtime? [23:42] vlada, i think were supposed to install the headers and then the kernel but Im not sure, I tried it once and apparently I didnt do it correctly [23:42] vlada, preempt means you have a real time kernel [23:43] tucemiux, then I got it installed with ubuntustudio by default [23:43] vlada, karmic I think has it by default but not lucid unless you did an upgrade to lucid [23:44] vlada, tucemiux https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel [23:44] I have it without changing anything [23:44] Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-23-preempt #37-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 11 10:19:07 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [23:45] preempt is not real time by the way [23:50] ScottL, thanks [23:52] ScottL, sup, how youre doing, you know how to apply the real time kernel on lucid? [23:56] tucemiux, vlada : let's be careful about the real-time kernel, it brings its own additional problems with it [23:56] why do you feel that you need it? are you trying to achieve lower latency? [23:57] abogani (the ubuntu studio project kernel guy) recommoned trying (in order): -generic, -preempt-, -lowlatency, -rt [23:57] if you are running a laptop you may want to keep either -generic or -preempt because it doesn't sacrifice power savings on the battery [23:58] since lucid i have been recording with the -generic kernel and it has served me rather well, but i'm using a desktop computer with delta-44 (pci card) [23:59] ScottL, thanks for the advice, I'll tr it with the generic kernel then [23:59] to install these, all you need to do is search for them in synaptic and install it, it will handle the rest tucemiux