/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/06/19/#kubuntu-devel.txt

lex79JontheEchidna: can you upload digikam from bzr?00:05
lex79source here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/digikam/files/digikam/1.3.0/digikam-1.3.0.tar.bz2/download00:05
JontheEchidnalex79: I'l be able to tomorrow morning. My connection here is too crappy00:09
lex79kk, no problem :)00:09
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprs1493-jpg.jpg00:11
JontheEchidnaSearch is working \o/00:11
JontheEchidnathe presentation of the search results need improvement though...00:11
JontheEchidnaIf I go back to viewing all packages, the search results from last time are somehow polluting the otherwise-alphabetical list: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopfz1493-jpg.jpg00:12
JontheEchidna...and also you have to click the column header before ordering works. (It uses search relevancy for searches, and alphabetical for listing all packages)00:15
lex79like synaptic?00:17
JontheEchidnaIt actually uses the exact search alogrithm used by synaptic :D00:17
lex79very good00:17
lex79I'm a synaptic fan :)00:18
lex79it's the first package that I install in a fresh installation :P00:18
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxa1493-jpg.jpg00:18
JontheEchidna^.^00:18
lex79LoL00:19
lex79:-*00:19
JontheEchidnaThere's also the bug where the columns start out looking like this: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopzz1493-jpg.jpg00:24
JontheEchidnagotta tell it to gently remind the layout that it needs more space ;)00:25
lex79JontheEchidna: for tomorrow...pkg-kde-tools from ppa, thanks :)01:16
JontheEchidnalex79: pkg-kde-tools is tiny, I can do that right now :)01:17
lex79-.-01:17
JontheEchidnabut digikam tarball is 14 MiB01:17
lex79yes :)01:20
JontheEchidnaOh. Tomorrow's saturday. I don't go back to the office until monday :(01:23
lex79uhm :(01:26
lex79well someone else can upload01:26
* lex79 thinking about his kubuntu-dev application....01:29
JontheEchidnalex79: I commented on yours, right?01:32
lex79JontheEchidna: uhm not yet01:34
JontheEchidnaD:01:34
JontheEchidnalex79: link plz01:34
* JontheEchidna will fix that!01:34
lex79https://wiki.kubuntu.org/alessandro-ghersi/KubuntuDeveloperApplication01:34
lex79thank you :-*01:35
claydohcool more Kubuntu devs means that much closer to World Domination!!01:42
lex79yeah :)01:52
JontheEchidnalex79: fix'd01:56
lex79JontheEchidna: thank you for your beautiful comment :)02:00
JontheEchidna:D02:00
JontheEchidnaYay, the columns now size properly \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopvz1493-jpg.jpg02:30
JontheEchidnaAnd I fixed the old-search-polluting-alphabetic filtering bug \o/04:25
JontheEchidnatwo hours on one bug... blegh04:26
JontheEchidnaand it was a half-line change04:26
JontheEchidnaoh well, made some improvements along the way04:26
shadeslayer_\o08:32
* shadeslayer_ wakes up to a dead channel08:33
shadeslayer_valorie: use :: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/ 08:35
shadeslayer_valorie: sorry for the really late reply :P08:35
shadeslayer_valorie: you just need to add the repo and upgrade08:36
shadeslayer_uh why is my name in the changelog of k3b ? 0_o12:30
shadeslayer_i didnt even touch it :P12:30
tsimpsonapparently someone thought you were JtE12:37
tsimpsonname mangled to protect the innocent (from highlights)12:37
shadeslayer_:)12:40
shadeslayer_oh btw k3b might be a good addition for bug triage... loads of bugs that are untouched12:40
shadeslayer_im closing some now... many are reported from 8.04 :P12:41
* apachelogger thinks that most of them are indeed in the backends of k3b and not k3b to begin with12:45
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shadeslayer_apachelogger: well anyways if they reply with problems we can forward them to upstream... also issues seem to be with woodim12:47
apacheloggeryeah, wodim that monster bug from hell12:47
* apachelogger starts crying just thinking about it12:47
shadeslayer_bug 481536 and bug 398626 seem to be dupes12:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 481536 in k3b (Ubuntu) "k3b fails to burn larger dvd images (about 4gb) when using wodim" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48153612:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 398626 in k3b (Ubuntu) "Cannot burn files bigger than 4gb (Karmic)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39862612:49
shadeslayer_or are they?12:50
shadeslayer_apachelogger: any ideas?12:50
* shadeslayer_ closes 12 k3b bugs as incomplete :(12:53
shadeslayer_ok gtg12:54
shadeslayer_apachelogger: when twikiwikifinger comes around can you tell himm about the 50 or so k3b bugs that need loving?12:55
* apachelogger will be gone in 3 minutes :P12:57
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* oxymoron wonders if there is any daily build ppa for kdevelop out there? :)15:44
sputnikrockHi! I am missing a license on wiki.kubuntu.org. I am currently translating the bug report page into german and would like to use some screenshots - but I can not find a license except the copyright notice of cannonical which means in Germany that I may not ise ANY material without explicit admission.15:47
sputnikrockso: what can I do? Can't we use a CreativeCommons license please on the page?15:48
sputnikrockAnyone here to help?15:49
sputnikrockwhich one should I ask directly??15:49
sputnikrockRiddell?15:51
ScottKshadeslayer_: You were the one that pointed out it needed merging too, so I added that bit in and gave you credit for it.15:59
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shadeslayer_ScottK: youre too kind :)17:29
shadeslayer_btw the plasma widget netwrokmanagement plasmoid is now awesome17:29
shadeslayer_want me to post screenshots?17:29
shadeslayer_check this out : http://imagebin.ca/view/tsNsNeVc.html17:31
shadeslayer_kubotu: order chocolate cake for everyone 17:35
* kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get chocolate cake for everyone - might take some time.17:35
* kubotu is back and slides chocolate cake down the bar to everyone17:35
debfxshadeslayer_: is that the version in maverick?17:36
shadeslayer_debfx: yes :)17:36
shadeslayer_debfx: thats the new knm-runtime i guess17:37
debfxdo the network stats only work with kde 4.5?17:37
shadeslayer_hmmm.. dunno :)17:37
debfxah you have to click on the network interface17:37
shadeslayer_yeah... click on the More button17:38
shadeslayer_although maverick doesnt have the Show Desktop plasmoid17:39
ScottKWe should figure out where that went.17:39
shadeslayer_ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/17:40
shadeslayer_ScottK: that had a dir named plasma/showdesktop before17:40
* shadeslayer_ figures kde-devel would know...17:41
* ScottK pokes at JontheEchidna to find out.17:42
shadeslayer_ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/applets/showdesktop/17:45
shadeslayer_there we go :)17:45
shadeslayer_but here we have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu3/+build/179983517:45
shadeslayer_ScottK: issue with packaging17:47
shadeslayer_theres a show desktop applet in the sources17:47
shadeslayer_hmm.. or maybe because i dont have that package :P17:48
oxymoronIs alpha 2 of Mverick out yet?17:50
shadeslayer_oxymoron: no July 1st17:50
shadeslayer_oxymoron: try the daily instead :P17:51
ScottKshadeslayer_: Should be installed by plasma-widgets-addons package17:51
shadeslayer_ScottK: yes,but shouldnt this be default?17:51
shadeslayer_i thought it was a part of default install..........17:51
ScottKIt should.17:51
ScottKVerify you've got the package installed.17:51
shadeslayer_ScottK: i dont have that package :)17:51
ScottKSigh.17:52
shadeslayer_but like i said... shouldnt this be default?17:52
shadeslayer_so sigh because i didnt have the package or sigh because this isnt default? :P17:52
shadeslayer_ScottK: ^^17:57
ScottKshadeslayer_: It was temporarily removed because it wasn't installable.  Would you please install it by hand to confirm it installs?17:57
shadeslayer_sure :)17:57
ScottKI'll add it back to the default if it does.17:57
shadeslayer_im doing it now :)17:57
shadeslayer_this will take about 20 mins :P17:57
shadeslayer_i really like the colors the nm is using ....17:59
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Wheres the daily then? :)18:00
shadeslayer_!daily18:00
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/18:00
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Then I wonder, will installation get same look as Ubuntu have now? :)18:01
shadeslayer_probably....18:01
* shadeslayer_ doesnt like the brown earthy colors ubuntu has18:01
shadeslayer_thats why i go with KDE :P18:01
oxymoronshadeslayer_: I dont like the brown things either, my favourite colour is blue ...18:02
oxymoronBut the installation look is freaking awesome in Ubuntu Maverick.18:02
shadeslayer_oxymoron: i dont have a favorite ... just dont like brown :P18:02
shadeslayer_oxymoron: :D18:02
shadeslayer_time to improve ours i guess then :P18:02
oxymoronFinally installation looks good, smooth and easy and trustful.18:02
shadeslayer_oxymoron: i bet you havent seen our new site :)18:02
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Which site?18:03
shadeslayer_oxymoron: new kubuntu.org18:03
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Sure I havem ir you havent changed it again since last time.18:03
shadeslayer_oxymoron: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/18:03
shadeslayer_that one :P18:03
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Looks much better than current website, but the font is wrong and the menu in the upper right corner.18:04
oxymoronOxygen icons and that default desktop pattern is really ugly, that snow flakes thingy.18:04
shadeslayer_oxymoron: well duh... its not completed yet :)18:05
oxymoronMore smooth and curved corners I owuld see :)18:05
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Btw, do you know if theres any daily build ppa for kdevelop? :)18:06
shadeslayer_oxymoron: only 4.0 builds18:07
shadeslayer_oxymoron: check here : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop18:07
shadeslayer_click on other versions of kdevelop18:07
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Last build, seven weeks ago xD18:08
shadeslayer_oxymoron: :P18:08
shadeslayer_oxymoron: no idea....18:09
oxymoronHmm, btwm that IM client for KDE, do you know the name of that one, not Kopete or Pidgin, its a new one.18:09
oxymoronKChat or something similar.18:09
shadeslayer_oxymoron: kopete18:09
shadeslayer_hmm18:09
oxymoronNo not Kopete18:09
* ScottK taps his fingers waiting to hear from shadeslayer_ about the package install.18:10
shadeslayer_5 mor mins...18:10
shadeslayer_stupid mirror....18:10
shadeslayer_also the dep on kdewallpapers is huge!18:10
shadeslayer_Need to get 109MB of archives. << \o/18:11
ScottKThat'll be a problem.18:11
ScottKMay need to fix that first.18:11
jjesse-netbookeveryone having a fun saturday?18:12
shadeslayer_jjesse-netbook: wheee....18:12
* shadeslayer_ gives jjesse-netbook some cake18:12
* oxymoron cant find the name of that IM client, he had it installed before but cannot find it again ...18:12
jjesse-netbookmmm cake18:12
ScottKshadeslayer_: After it's done, do "aptitude why kdewallpapers"18:12
shadeslayer_jjesse-netbook: chocolate cake :D18:12
shadeslayer_ScottK: sure18:13
ScottKThanks.18:13
* shadeslayer_ thinks his ISP ought to give him another free boost 18:14
shadeslayer_final countdown...5..4...18:15
shadeslayer_ScottK: sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory << hmmm18:15
ScottKUrgh.18:15
shadeslayer_its still unpacking stuff tho18:15
shadeslayer_ah ok i deleted that dir :P18:16
shadeslayer_ScottK: installs and works :)18:16
shadeslayer_ScottK: http://pastebin.com/Pnyvekm418:16
oxymoronBtw, may I ask what the focus in Maverick release 10.10 would be?18:18
ScottKoxymoron: The Todo page in /topic should give you an idea of the stuff we want to get done.18:18
oxymoronAnd what about QT and OpenGL, will nouvau, desktop effcts and having OpenGL + Cairo dock at the same time work when you play video files or not and so on.18:18
oxymoronScottK: I have looked on blueprints and todo, but havent found any useful info.18:19
shadeslayer_ScottK: so will you shift it back to the default install?18:19
ScottKshadeslayer_: You installed kdeplasma-addons, not just plasma-widgets-addons.  That's why it was so big.18:19
oxymoronThen I wonder, why is Rekonq new default browser and not Konqueror? :) Same question for KOnversation vs Quassel?18:20
shadeslayer_hmmm18:20
ScottKoxymoron: For Rekonq versus Konqueror it's pretty clear that khtml is not keeping up with evolving web technologies and so we need to shift to something webkit based.18:20
oxymoron"lucid->maverick upgrade testing " - WOuld that mean from todo list that someone FINALLY test so it works upgrade fron Lucid to Maverick? :P18:21
shadeslayer_oxymoron: btw if you find out which im client it was tell me too :D18:21
shadeslayer_oxymoron: do you think it was empathy ?18:21
oxymoronScottK: Alright :) Well why not use WebKit in Konqueror? :P Not that I like Konqueror but I just wonder. I really like Rekonq, but current status of it is not good.18:22
ScottKoxymoron: That kind of crap makes me completely disinterested in answering your questions.18:22
ScottKA lot of us spend a lot of time doing upgrade testing.18:22
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Yeah I am trying to google for it and doesnt find it, it really is good and looks like MSN but with complete KDE style/Oxygen.18:22
ScottKAs a result, all the hardware I own upgrades fine.18:22
shadeslayer_ScottK: btw im in 2 minds.. should i recommend KDE to a first time Linux user? or do i go with gnome 18:23
oxymoronScottK: Last times I upgraded from Hardy, Karmic and so on nothing worked and I had to reinstall a clean copy of the new version.18:23
oxymoronshadeslayer_: I would recommend KDE instead of Gnome if they come from Apple I think, but not sure about Windows users. At the moment Gnome is a little bit easier, but KDE is a lot better IMO.18:24
ScottKoxymoron: I do multiple upgrade tests every cycle.  I also tested Hardy -> Maverick even though it's unsupported.18:24
* shadeslayer_ still has hardy CD's lying around ....18:24
ScottKshadeslayer_: If they are coming from Windows, no question KDE.18:24
oxymoronScottK: HArdy => Karmic and Karmic => Lucid freaked my desktop out, incompability with home dir settings with the new version of the apps.18:25
oxymoronScottK: When I did clean install everything worked again though.18:25
shadeslayer_i finally saw Star wars 1 today :P18:25
oxymoronScottK: btw, you developers need to learn taking critisism.18:25
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Hahahaha, awesome, have you not seen anyone before? :D18:26
shadeslayer_oxymoron: no :(18:26
shadeslayer_well not completely that is...18:26
ScottKoxymoron: You non-developers need to stop assuming that because something doesn't work for you no one tests stuff and no one cares.18:26
shadeslayer_ScottK: another issue you might want to know about is with Qt creator18:27
shadeslayer_it doesnt pick up installed examples....18:27
shadeslayer_like when you start qtcreator theres a small button which says " Examples Not Installed "18:27
ScottKI think Riddell's the best person to poke about that.18:28
shadeslayer_Riddell: ^^18:28
shadeslayer_i have qtcreator-docs installed....18:28
oxymoronScottK: I dont assuming anything, I just see it doesnt work and never have. I am curious to know why its the same story everytime I should upgrade. I really tried upgrade and firstly it went really smooth, but when booting up some apps didnt work and break the system.18:28
ScottKBTW, seeds are fixed.  I'm updating kubuntu-meta now to put plasma-widgets-addons back in the default install.18:28
oxymoronshadeslayer_: Seriously?! :O18:29
shadeslayer_oxymoron: yes.... hard to believe i know :P18:29
ScottKoxymoron: I've got multiple systems and some of them have been continuously upgraded since Hardy or before with no problem.  The only time I've ever reinstalled was upgrading Dapper to Karmic.18:30
oxymoronshadeslayer_: You need to see them all, trust me ;) What did you think of first one? :) And its kind of good, now you can see them in order :P18:30
shadeslayer_oxymoron: continuing in OT18:30
oxymoronScottK: Alright, well I guess my PC isnt as yours then but then its not hardware issues, only software. Then when something doesnt worked as before and trying to fix it, its getting worse and in the end I just reinstall clean copy.18:31
ScottKI can understand doing that and I appreciate that because it works for me, doesn't mean it works for everyone.18:32
ScottKSimilarly, please don't assume that because you have problems, it doesn't work for anyone and we don't test this stuff.18:32
oxymoronScottK: Well I dont assume that ;) Good to know its confirmed though :)18:33
ScottKshadeslayer_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kubuntu-meta/1.18118:38
ScottKThanks for pointing it out and testing.18:39
lex79ScottK: can you upload kubuntu-default-setting from bzr? thanks18:39
shadeslayerw00t :)18:39
ScottKlex79: Not just now, I need to be offline for a bit.18:39
lex79kk18:39
lex79no problem18:39
shadeslayerkubotu: np18:45
kubotushadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 3 weeks ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more18:45
* shadeslayer goes to fix klog18:53
claydohwhenever I post about upgrade testing, I go the the qa system and only see as many as 5 or 6 testers :(18:54
claydohand that included me and ri dell and some other devs18:54
shadeslayerclaydoh: i did some testing too :P18:54
shadeslayerme!=dev :P18:55
shadeslayerclaydoh: well thats usually the case :(18:55
claydohhence the 'other devs' :)18:55
shadeslayerwe need more publicity :)18:55
shadeslayerto the identi.ca mobile! 18:55
claydohshadeslayer: I often on ly see myself as the only 'regular' user, maybe 1 or 2 others18:56
shadeslayer:)18:56
claydohHeck, in kubuntuforums, i think those guys just keep running pre-release and dont test upgrading18:57
claydohwhich actually is kinda cool, but I do try and ask for upgrade testing whenn it is time18:57
shadeslayerclaydoh: advocacy is the key :)18:58
shadeslayerclaydoh: get a identi.ca account and start shouting :P18:59
shadeslayerplasma crashed 4 times after i said plasma hasnt crashed till now....18:59
shadeslayeri wonder if its logging keystrokes18:59
ScottKclaydoh: Normally I don't show up in the QA system because I just fix stuff as I find it and don't do any paperwork.19:01
claydohI may need to do a wiki page on testing, the qa site is not hard but it may be easy to get lost for some, or at least 19:01
claydohshadeslayer: I'm already there19:01
claydohdon't dent too much, but I do 19:02
claydohScottK: but you kinda don't need to :)19:02
shadeslayerwell use the !kubuntu and !ubuntu tabs19:02
jjessepeople still use identi.ca?19:02
ScottKclaydoh: Just saying that more testing happens than appears there.19:03
shadeslayerjjesse: 0_o what do you mean by still ?19:03
jjesseive given up on ident.ca too much spam19:03
claydohScottK: that's whay I meant :)19:03
jjesseand the noise is way to high19:03
jjessecompared to the good stuff19:03
claydohand twittter is any different?19:03
claydohit all depends what you follow I guess19:04
jjessefor me it is vastly superiour19:04
claydohI use both19:04
claydohbut yeah, if you look at it it is mostly preaching to the converted sometimes on identi.ca19:05
claydohbut asking for testing there is a good venue19:06
claydohomg my wife just rented an Audi !  road trip!!!19:07
claydohsorry now i gotta find a place to go to :)19:07
ScottKFlorida?19:08
claydohno way, plus it has to be a day trip, back to work on Monday19:09
* claydoh does not like florida, or rather the humidity and heat there19:09
jjessewhere are you starting from?19:10
claydohBangor Maine19:10
jjesseboston?19:10
jjesseniagra falls?19:10
claydohcould be, but probably somewhere in Maine19:10
jjesseboston is like 4 hours?19:11
claydohno overnight probably19:11
* claydoh wishes she rented a Raptor so we could go camping19:12
claydohway out in the deep woods19:12
claydohshe sez they were out of Mustangs :(19:13
claydohso i think she want to drive (too) fast :D19:13
jjessewhen you get to a crossroad just flip a coin for left or right19:13
claydohyeah, we do that, even in the middle of logging country we never get lost19:14
claydohbut it has been a loooong time for just a fun no-reason trip19:15
jjesseso stop hanging out here and jump in the car19:15
claydohshe is still at work, until 6pm19:16
jjesseoh19:16
claydohsurprised she didn't get a truck, she is a truck guy19:16
claydohum, truck woman rather19:16
* shadeslayer watches as pbuilder unpacks stuff19:17
jjessedoes google maps have the ability to give me all locations within X hours of my current location?  cause that would be cool19:17
jjesselike give me all cities within 4 hours19:18
shadeslayeralso the last 20 mins here are all OT :P19:18
claydoh:P19:18
shadeslayernot that im saying anything... just dropping a hint 19:18
claydohso back on topic, where can I view good information about source format 3, which I just noticed19:19
shadeslayerbtw on maverick any one experiencing their bluetooth coming on and off... 19:19
shadeslayerclaydoh: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.019:19
shadeslayerbest thing on the interwebs19:19
* shadeslayer needs to switch off the AC19:20
shadeslayerlex79: pokey19:20
lex79shadeslayer: pong19:21
shadeslayerlex79: /tmp/buildd/klog-0.5.5/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src/moc_klognetwork.cpp:75: error: 'QDialog' has not been declared << Any idea what could have caused this?19:21
lex79nope19:22
lex79maybe missing header inclusion?19:22
shadeslayerhmm.. which one? ... ill have to patch this if thats the case19:22
shadeslayerlex79: aha! found the issue19:24
shadeslayer/#include <QDialog> in klognetwork.h19:25
shadeslayerlex79: so is it ok if i patch that?19:25
lex79why you are building klog?19:25
shadeslayerlex79: uh.. its ftbfs ...19:26
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klog19:26
lex79that package is sync'ed with debian19:26
shadeslayerlex79: yes but its FTBFS ...19:26
lex79do it then, if the patch fix ftbs is fine19:29
shadeslayerwoot19:29
lex79you should also contact upstream about that19:29
shadeslayeryeah sure :)19:30
shadeslayerlex79: do i need to add series file as well to debian/patches?19:31
lex79yes19:31
shadeslayerlex79: any idea what to name the patch?19:32
lex79uhm it ftbs also in debian https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=klog&ver=0.5.5-1&arch=i386&stamp=1274008161&file=log19:32
shadeslayerdoh...19:32
shadeslayerwill forward patch to upstream and debian19:32
lex79kubuntu_01_fix_qdialog_include.diff19:33
shadeslayerlex79: .diff or .patch ?19:35
lex79it's the same, I prefer .diif :)19:36
=== ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube
apparleguys why is 'System Connection' checkbox in new/edit connection under wired tab of Network Manager greyed out.20:42
apparleI didn't get anything useful in #kubuntu so i thought may someone knows here. 20:44
shadeslayer_apparle: hey20:49
shadeslayer_apparle: your network manager is down20:49
apparleshadeslayer_: means?20:49
shadeslayer_apparle: theres a network manager daemon which controls your network20:50
shadeslayer_that daemon has stopped...20:50
shadeslayer_or crashed :P20:50
shadeslayer_apparle: try : sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart20:51
apparleshadeslayer_: I can see a system tray icon.20:51
shadeslayer_yes that is there,but its just the icon20:51
apparleshadeslayer_: tried that also. 20:53
shadeslayer_hmm.. there was bug about this... mind trying LP?20:53
shadeslayer_im a bit tied up with stuff :)20:53
shadeslayer_apparle: the bug title had greyed out in it :P20:55
shadeslayer_thats all i remember 20:55
apparle:P and it is associated with which package? 20:56
apparleshadeslayer_: ^20:58
shadeslayer_apparle: network manager of course :)20:58
mfraz74Can someone confirm this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24219221:00
ubottuKDE bug 242192 in general "kompare could not open a temporary file when saving difference" [Normal,Unconfirmed]21:00
ScottKRiddell: It looks like libpackagekit-qt-14 is only in Main on i386.  Needs promotion on the other archs (it's why the kpackagekit upload FTBFS).21:00
shadeslayer_ScottK: im trying to patch some stuff during a build,ive added patches/series and patches/the_patch.diff , what else is needed ? build dep on quilt added as well21:01
ScottKDepending on the package, you'll possibly need debian/rules changes too21:02
mfraz74it was working fine in KDE 4.4.4, but can't seem to get kompare to save in 4.521:02
shadeslayer_ScottK: ok what needs to be added? its in the old format...21:02
ScottKThe get thing to do is find a package that uses it can see.21:03
ScottKget/best21:03
shadeslayer_its using stuff like : include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk and include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk21:03
ScottKIIRC there's a quilt.mk somewhere too, but it's been a long time since I looked at that.21:03
ScottKRiddell: slangasek fixed libpackagekit-qt-14, so no need to worry.21:04
* shadeslayer_ checks out bzr21:04
shadeslayer_ScottK: can i use include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk21:07
ScottKshadeslayer_: You can.21:07
ScottKThat won't use quilt though, that's a different patch system.21:08
ScottKshadeslayer_: What package is this for?21:08
shadeslayer_ScottK: klog21:08
shadeslayer_it needs patching to add the QDialog library 21:09
ScottKshadeslayer_: Since Debian doesn't use a patch system, don't add one, just make the changes inline.21:09
shadeslayer_ScottK: hmm.. so edit the sources by hand? ( idk the meaning of inline :P )21:10
ScottKYes.21:10
ScottKinline means in the actual source.21:10
shadeslayer_ScottK: Also debian package is FTBFS as well...21:10
shadeslayer_same issue21:10
ScottKThen once you're done put the diff in a bug on Debian BTS21:11
shadeslayer_sure21:11
shadeslayer_brb21:13
shadeslayeromg... the whole panel at the bottom looks so misty :D21:19
mfraz74shadeslayer: focus21:21
shadeslayermfraz74: eh? the name of the effect>21:21
mfraz74ah21:21
shadeslayeri think kubuntu 10.10 is going to be... wait for it.... legendary! 21:22
mfraz74hope so21:22
shadeslayerhold on ill post some screenies :)21:22
shadeslayermfraz74: http://imagebin.ca/view/T0IPhaQ.html21:24
shadeslayersee the icons at the bottom.. all misty and stuff :P21:25
ulyssesall icons must be similar, it's awesome21:25
mfraz74that's pretty much what I've got with KDE 4.521:25
shadeslayermfraz74: well i didnt...21:26
mfraz74is that the default new wallpaper?21:26
shadeslayeri accidentally removed .kde :P21:26
mfraz74oops21:26
shadeslayermfraz74: nah.. that is a pretty old wallpaper21:26
ulyssesIt was KDE 4.1's wallpaper21:26
shadeslayerand i got these awesome effects \o/21:26
shadeslayeranyways i really like it :D21:26
mfraz74shadeslayer: are you having the problem of notifications going past the top of the screen so the 'x' is no longer visibile?21:28
shadeslayermfraz74: hmm.. dunno.. try highlighting me in 2 secs after this pos21:29
shadeslayer+t21:29
shadeslayermfraz74: im waiting :P21:31
mfraz74how do I highlight you?21:31
ulyssesshadeslayer: the 'x' going out the screen when the text is too long21:31
shadeslayerhmm.. no seems to be fine here....21:32
shadeslayermaybe because i have liberation ?21:32
shadeslayer!who | mfraz7421:32
ubottumfraz74: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)21:32
ulyssesmaybe the translated text is longer then the original:P21:32
shadeslayermfraz74: try using the liberation font21:32
mfraz74here, i have a notification pop up when someone appears online with kopete, if I leave it for a while and check the notifications, they go off the top of the screen and I can't see the close icon21:33
mfraz74sorry if i wasn't being clear the first time21:33
ulysseshm, I used FreeSerif before, but Liberation is better^^21:33
mfraz74ulysses: think I've got the liberation fonts installed, not sure about freeserif though21:35
shadeslayerScottK: btw ill have to edit the sources in the tarball as well?21:39
ScottKshadeslayer_: no.  edit the unpacked source and it'll get included in the diff.gz21:40
shadeslayeroh my.. not good... the have ~ files ( backup files in the tarball ) ..... how clumsy21:40
shadeslayerScottK: dpkg-source: warning: file klog-0.5.5/src/klognetwork.cpp has no final newline (either original or modified version) 21:41
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apparle_busyshadeslayer_: I didn't find that bug :(21:46
shadeslayerbah.. ill leave a msg when i see a solution for you :)21:46
shadeslayerapparle_busy: in any case it should work after you reboot ;)21:46
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: you missed my problem. I have made a new wired network connection named "xyz". Now system tries to connect to 'Auto eth0' and when it fails on that, then it tries to connect to my connection. what do I do to make it default21:48
shadeslayerapparle_busy: oohhh ...21:48
shadeslayerapparle_busy: theres a option which says connect automatically21:48
shadeslayerwhen you edit your connection theres a tick box for that21:49
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: that means that when 'auto eth0' fails then automatically connect 'xyz'. I have it checked21:49
shadeslayerapparle_busy: hmmm weird.. ive never tried it tho...21:50
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: that's why I want to make it the sytem connection, but that checkbox is greyed out21:50
shadeslayeryeah thats grayed out since last 2 releases :P21:51
shadeslayerScottK: ^^21:51
mfraz74http://imagebin.ca/view/UrAnJS3.html21:51
mfraz74As you can see I can't get to the 'x' icon21:52
shadeslayermfraz74: ahh that way,yes i get that :(21:53
mfraz74shadeslayer: phew, glad it isn't just me21:53
shadeslayeroh i give up on klog...21:54
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: you know who is the developer of knm21:54
shadeslayernope...21:54
shadeslayerapparle_busy: i think its a problem at our end... maybe....21:54
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: our end=?21:54
shadeslayerapparle_busy: as in the devs/packages disabled it for some reason ...21:55
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: ok.... anyways I had to discuss few other problems with the knm so I asked if you know the dev21:56
shadeslayerapparle_busy: either a) file a bug or b) Come back when some kubuntu devs are around :P21:56
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: what I wanna tell is not exactly what I can write in a bug report, it is a little confusing21:56
shadeslayerhehe...21:57
apparle_busyI want to suggest a package to be added to ubuntu repos, but I don't have time to learn package maintainance, is there any place I can suggest it?21:59
shadeslayerweird... mistiness gone :(21:59
shadeslayerapparle_busy: go for it :)22:00
shadeslayerapparle_busy: is it in debian?22:00
apparle_busyapparle_busy: don't know, but its in development and available on the package website :P22:01
shadeslayerapparle_busy: which app?22:01
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: qipmsg22:01
shadeslayerapparle_busy: http://code.google.com/p/qipmsg/downloads/list ?22:01
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: yes22:02
shadeslayerhmm not in debian22:02
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: its not on debian22:02
shadeslayerapparle_busy: ill have a go at it :)22:02
shadeslayerapparle_busy: do they have a irc channel?22:03
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: I don't think, its a small app, so I don't think there are many people , only one or two guys22:03
shadeslayerhmm... too bad.. would have speeded things up a bit..22:04
shadeslayerill mail them anyhow :)22:04
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: how 22:04
shadeslayerapparle_busy: well i see they have debs on the download page,i could have asked for the debian/ folder which is required for packaging22:04
shadeslayerthen updated it as per 10.10 requirements22:05
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: I think it has it. check the source22:05
shadeslayereasier than packaging it first time22:05
shadeslayerapparle_busy: oh and can you file a bug against this? 22:05
shadeslayerthen i can close it the changelog22:05
apparle_busyapparle_busy: against it means, ?22:06
shadeslayerw00t it does have it22:06
shadeslayerapparle_busy: like file a bug : Please package qipmsg 22:06
shadeslayerthen add some description to the bug...22:06
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: ohhh.... confusing..... considering it is not a bug exactly22:06
shadeslayerapparle_busy: oh it is!22:06
shadeslayerapparle_busy: bugs arent just crashes...22:07
shadeslayerdo we allow languages other than english in the control file as a part of the describes?22:08
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: since you are putting in qipmsg, can you also do onething22:10
shadeslayerapparle_busy: yes....22:10
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: there are packages xipmsg (X), g2ipmsg (GNOME), qipmsg (Qt/KDE). make a virtual package ipmsg provided by all these22:11
shadeslayerapparle_busy: uh... one sec,the first 2 are in the repos?22:11
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: yes22:11
shadeslayercool22:12
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: if possible make some setting such that g2ipmsg gets installed on ubuntu and qipmsg on KDE22:12
shadeslayerapparle_busy: hmm.. well i dont think thats possible22:13
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: whole of my college hostel would be grateful to you, because ipmsg is used for inter LAN communication.22:13
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: why 22:13
shadeslayerbut if someone wants the KDE version they can install qipmsg...22:13
shadeslayerapparle_busy: because its not implemented ? :P22:14
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: can't apt detect the DE and install accordingly?22:14
shadeslayerapparle_busy: no... afaik it cant22:14
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: still good enough :)22:15
shadeslayerapparle_busy: filed that bug yet?22:19
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: filing22:19
shadeslayer:)22:19
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: actually its doing something (rotating black flower something) :P22:20
shadeslayerah ok :D22:20
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/59636622:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 596366 in Ubuntu "Please provide package for qipmsg" [Undecided,New]22:21
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: will I have to file a new bug in case the website releases a new version?22:21
shadeslayerapparle_busy: no22:22
shadeslayerthe new version will be packaged once a new version is available22:22
shadeslayerjust poke me :P22:22
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: cool. I suggest you tell the developers that you have added it to repos, so they don't get into the trouble of doing it again, or ask them if they would like to maintain it?22:23
shadeslayerhmm... ill put it in a mail :)22:23
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: so you have put it into repos, how much time would it take to reach me22:25
shadeslayerapparle_busy: depends on build queue,also since i cant upload to universe i have to upload to revu where it is reviewed and sponsored and proceeds into universe22:26
shadeslayerso about a week to get into universe and then a day to build 10 mins to publish and be available :)22:26
shadeslayerthats my rough estimate :P22:26
shadeslayercould take longer22:27
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: cool, and did you also manage that virtual package?22:27
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: and does that package  go back to debian?22:28
shadeslayernope.. ill have to file a bug separately for that22:28
shadeslayerand what virtual package?22:28
shadeslayerim just building one package qipmsg :)22:29
ScottKshadeslayer_: No idea about that.22:29
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: ScottK was that for my NM problem22:30
shadeslayerapparle_busy: seems so :)22:30
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: if you find any kubuntu devs around and if I am around ping me. I'll tell the NM problem22:31
shadeslayersure22:31
shadeslayerbtw ScottK is a dev :P22:31
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: so should I start with my problem, I mean does he work on NM. ScottK: do you?22:32
ScottKapparle_busy: No much.  I think it's mostly Riddell and Tonio (who's not here)22:33
apparle_busyScottK: ok I'll ask them when they are around. 22:34
apparle_busyok guys, if I am suggesting a qt app to be provide notifications through the KDE notifications system, would the resulting code be KDE system specific?22:38
shadeslayernot necessarily... using dbus should give notifications in Gnome and KDE22:39
shadeslayerwell.. dbus is probably what you will use anyways :P22:39
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: the dbus code would be same for kde and gnome or would it change. I mean would the app remain same without a recompile22:40
shadeslayershould be same...22:40
shadeslayerno real idea tho...22:40
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: or is the notification system provided under org.freedesktop etc.?22:41
shadeslayerapparle_busy: your app is compiling :)22:41
shadeslayerapparle_busy: probably ...22:41
apparle_busy:)22:41
shadeslayeri have no idea about coding :P22:41
shadeslayera bit of C/C++ here and there :D22:41
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: I mean I am going to suggest psi+ developers to support kde notifications.22:41
shadeslayerno idea..22:42
shadeslayerhmm.. it seems to be working fine22:44
shadeslayerapparle_busy: got a bug number for me yet?22:44
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: I have given it to you a long time back22:45
shadeslayerah ok :)22:45
apparle_busy[02:51:07] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/59636622:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 596366 in Ubuntu "Please provide package for qipmsg" [Undecided,New]22:45
ScottKapparle_busy: As of KDE 4.4 the KDE notification system uses the same FDO messaging protocol used by libnotify (the standard Gnome notification system) and notify-osd (the Ubuntu replacement).22:46
ScottKSo as long as you use the FDO DBUS stuff, it shouldn't matter.22:46
apparle_busyScottK: so I can ask the psi+ to support FDO DBus22:47
ScottKYes.22:47
apparle_busyScottK: can you tell me exact words I should use. :P22:47
ScottKThat should work ~everywhere for current systems.22:47
shadeslayerScottK: upstream has a debian/ folder in sources.. what do i do with it?22:50
shadeslayerim packaging this baby from scratch :P22:51
ScottKIt's up to you.22:51
ScottKYou can repack the tarball to remove it or you can just modify what's there.22:51
shadeslayerok.. upload to revu for review after its done>22:51
shadeslayerScottK: hmm.. i unpacked the sources and removed debian folder but its still in the tarball22:52
ScottKYes.  To remove it you need to repack the tarball.22:52
ScottKLet me get you a reference22:52
shadeslayersure :)22:52
ScottKshadeslayer_: Look at 6.7.8.2 here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-origtargz22:54
shadeslayerScottK: can you explain point 4 there?22:57
shadeslayerdo i need to rename the repackaged top dir with a .orig ?22:58
ScottKIt's better to.22:58
ScottKmv packagename-upstreamversion packagename-upstreamversion.orig22:58
shadeslayerScottK: done...22:59
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: hey you are an indian :)23:01
shadeslayerapparle_busy: yes ;)23:02
shadeslayerapparle_busy: how did you come to know?23:02
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: Rohan Garg..... rare possiblity of being a foreign nationale23:02
shadeslayer:P23:03
apparle_busyshadeslayer_: join us at #kde-in if you like KDE :P23:03
shadeslayerwhat fun... didnt know that channel exsisted :P23:05
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shadeslayerin case anyone can review my revu upload : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=831923:36
shadeslayermaco: specially you :P ^^23:36

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