[00:05] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you upload digikam from bzr?
[00:05] <lex79> source here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/digikam/files/digikam/1.3.0/digikam-1.3.0.tar.bz2/download
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I'l be able to tomorrow morning. My connection here is too crappy
[00:09] <lex79> kk, no problem :)
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprs1493-jpg.jpg
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> Search is working \o/
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> the presentation of the search results need improvement though...
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> If I go back to viewing all packages, the search results from last time are somehow polluting the otherwise-alphabetical list: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopfz1493-jpg.jpg
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> ...and also you have to click the column header before ordering works. (It uses search relevancy for searches, and alphabetical for listing all packages)
[00:17] <lex79> like synaptic?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> It actually uses the exact search alogrithm used by synaptic :D
[00:17] <lex79> very good
[00:18] <lex79> I'm a synaptic fan :)
[00:18] <lex79> it's the first package that I install in a fresh installation :P
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxa1493-jpg.jpg
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[00:19] <lex79> LoL
[00:19] <lex79> :-*
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> There's also the bug where the columns start out looking like this: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopzz1493-jpg.jpg
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> gotta tell it to gently remind the layout that it needs more space ;)
[01:16] <lex79> JontheEchidna: for tomorrow...pkg-kde-tools from ppa, thanks :)
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> lex79: pkg-kde-tools is tiny, I can do that right now :)
[01:17] <lex79> -.-
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> but digikam tarball is 14 MiB
[01:20] <lex79> yes :)
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> Oh. Tomorrow's saturday. I don't go back to the office until monday :(
[01:26] <lex79> uhm :(
[01:26] <lex79> well someone else can upload
[01:29]  * lex79 thinking about his kubuntu-dev application....
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I commented on yours, right?
[01:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: uhm not yet
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> D:
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> lex79: link plz
[01:34]  * JontheEchidna will fix that!
[01:34] <lex79> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/alessandro-ghersi/KubuntuDeveloperApplication
[01:35] <lex79> thank you :-*
[01:42] <claydoh> cool more Kubuntu devs means that much closer to World Domination!!
[01:52] <lex79> yeah :)
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: fix'd
[02:00] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thank you for your beautiful comment :)
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> Yay, the columns now size properly \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopvz1493-jpg.jpg
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> And I fixed the old-search-polluting-alphabetic filtering bug \o/
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> two hours on one bug... blegh
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> and it was a half-line change
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> oh well, made some improvements along the way
[08:32] <shadeslayer_> \o
[08:33]  * shadeslayer_ wakes up to a dead channel
[08:35] <shadeslayer_> valorie: use :: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/ 
[08:35] <shadeslayer_> valorie: sorry for the really late reply :P
[08:36] <shadeslayer_> valorie: you just need to add the repo and upgrade
[12:30] <shadeslayer_> uh why is my name in the changelog of k3b ? 0_o
[12:30] <shadeslayer_> i didnt even touch it :P
[12:37] <tsimpson> apparently someone thought you were JtE
[12:37] <tsimpson> name mangled to protect the innocent (from highlights)
[12:40] <shadeslayer_> :)
[12:40] <shadeslayer_> oh btw k3b might be a good addition for bug triage... loads of bugs that are untouched
[12:41] <shadeslayer_> im closing some now... many are reported from 8.04 :P
[12:45]  * apachelogger thinks that most of them are indeed in the backends of k3b and not k3b to begin with
[12:47] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: well anyways if they reply with problems we can forward them to upstream... also issues seem to be with woodim
[12:47] <apachelogger> yeah, wodim that monster bug from hell
[12:47]  * apachelogger starts crying just thinking about it
[12:49] <shadeslayer_> bug 481536 and bug 398626 seem to be dupes
[12:50] <shadeslayer_> or are they?
[12:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: any ideas?
[12:53]  * shadeslayer_ closes 12 k3b bugs as incomplete :(
[12:54] <shadeslayer_> ok gtg
[12:55] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: when twikiwikifinger comes around can you tell himm about the 50 or so k3b bugs that need loving?
[12:57]  * apachelogger will be gone in 3 minutes :P
[15:44]  * oxymoron wonders if there is any daily build ppa for kdevelop out there? :)
[15:47] <sputnikrock> Hi! I am missing a license on wiki.kubuntu.org. I am currently translating the bug report page into german and would like to use some screenshots - but I can not find a license except the copyright notice of cannonical which means in Germany that I may not ise ANY material without explicit admission.
[15:48] <sputnikrock> so: what can I do? Can't we use a CreativeCommons license please on the page?
[15:49] <sputnikrock> Anyone here to help?
[15:49] <sputnikrock> which one should I ask directly??
[15:51] <sputnikrock> Riddell?
[15:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: You were the one that pointed out it needed merging too, so I added that bit in and gave you credit for it.
[17:29] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: youre too kind :)
[17:29] <shadeslayer_> btw the plasma widget netwrokmanagement plasmoid is now awesome
[17:29] <shadeslayer_> want me to post screenshots?
[17:31] <shadeslayer_> check this out : http://imagebin.ca/view/tsNsNeVc.html
[17:35] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: order chocolate cake for everyone 
[17:35]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get chocolate cake for everyone - might take some time.
[17:35]  * kubotu is back and slides chocolate cake down the bar to everyone
[17:36] <debfx> shadeslayer_: is that the version in maverick?
[17:36] <shadeslayer_> debfx: yes :)
[17:37] <shadeslayer_> debfx: thats the new knm-runtime i guess
[17:37] <debfx> do the network stats only work with kde 4.5?
[17:37] <shadeslayer_> hmmm.. dunno :)
[17:37] <debfx> ah you have to click on the network interface
[17:38] <shadeslayer_> yeah... click on the More button
[17:39] <shadeslayer_> although maverick doesnt have the Show Desktop plasmoid
[17:39] <ScottK> We should figure out where that went.
[17:40] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/
[17:40] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: that had a dir named plasma/showdesktop before
[17:41]  * shadeslayer_ figures kde-devel would know...
[17:42]  * ScottK pokes at JontheEchidna to find out.
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/applets/showdesktop/
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> there we go :)
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> but here we have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu3/+build/1799835
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: issue with packaging
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> theres a show desktop applet in the sources
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. or maybe because i dont have that package :P
[17:50] <oxymoron> Is alpha 2 of Mverick out yet?
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: no July 1st
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: try the daily instead :P
[17:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Should be installed by plasma-widgets-addons package
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: yes,but shouldnt this be default?
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> i thought it was a part of default install..........
[17:51] <ScottK> It should.
[17:51] <ScottK> Verify you've got the package installed.
[17:51] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: i dont have that package :)
[17:52] <ScottK> Sigh.
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> but like i said... shouldnt this be default?
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> so sigh because i didnt have the package or sigh because this isnt default? :P
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: ^^
[17:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: It was temporarily removed because it wasn't installable.  Would you please install it by hand to confirm it installs?
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> sure :)
[17:57] <ScottK> I'll add it back to the default if it does.
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> im doing it now :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> this will take about 20 mins :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> i really like the colors the nm is using ....
[18:00] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Wheres the daily then? :)
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> !daily
[18:01] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Then I wonder, will installation get same look as Ubuntu have now? :)
[18:01] <shadeslayer_> probably....
[18:01]  * shadeslayer_ doesnt like the brown earthy colors ubuntu has
[18:01] <shadeslayer_> thats why i go with KDE :P
[18:02] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: I dont like the brown things either, my favourite colour is blue ...
[18:02] <oxymoron> But the installation look is freaking awesome in Ubuntu Maverick.
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: i dont have a favorite ... just dont like brown :P
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> time to improve ours i guess then :P
[18:02] <oxymoron> Finally installation looks good, smooth and easy and trustful.
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: i bet you havent seen our new site :)
[18:03] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Which site?
[18:03] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: new kubuntu.org
[18:03] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Sure I havem ir you havent changed it again since last time.
[18:03] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/
[18:03] <shadeslayer_> that one :P
[18:04] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Looks much better than current website, but the font is wrong and the menu in the upper right corner.
[18:04] <oxymoron> Oxygen icons and that default desktop pattern is really ugly, that snow flakes thingy.
[18:05] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: well duh... its not completed yet :)
[18:05] <oxymoron> More smooth and curved corners I owuld see :)
[18:06] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Btw, do you know if theres any daily build ppa for kdevelop? :)
[18:07] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: only 4.0 builds
[18:07] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: check here : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop
[18:07] <shadeslayer_> click on other versions of kdevelop
[18:08] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Last build, seven weeks ago xD
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: :P
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: no idea....
[18:09] <oxymoron> Hmm, btwm that IM client for KDE, do you know the name of that one, not Kopete or Pidgin, its a new one.
[18:09] <oxymoron> KChat or something similar.
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: kopete
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[18:09] <oxymoron> No not Kopete
[18:10]  * ScottK taps his fingers waiting to hear from shadeslayer_ about the package install.
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> 5 mor mins...
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> stupid mirror....
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> also the dep on kdewallpapers is huge!
[18:11] <shadeslayer_> Need to get 109MB of archives. << \o/
[18:11] <ScottK> That'll be a problem.
[18:11] <ScottK> May need to fix that first.
[18:12] <jjesse-netbook> everyone having a fun saturday?
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> jjesse-netbook: wheee....
[18:12]  * shadeslayer_ gives jjesse-netbook some cake
[18:12]  * oxymoron cant find the name of that IM client, he had it installed before but cannot find it again ...
[18:12] <jjesse-netbook> mmm cake
[18:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: After it's done, do "aptitude why kdewallpapers"
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> jjesse-netbook: chocolate cake :D
[18:13] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: sure
[18:13] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:14]  * shadeslayer_ thinks his ISP ought to give him another free boost 
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> final countdown...5..4...
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory << hmmm
[18:15] <ScottK> Urgh.
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> its still unpacking stuff tho
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> ah ok i deleted that dir :P
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: installs and works :)
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/Pnyvekm4
[18:18] <oxymoron> Btw, may I ask what the focus in Maverick release 10.10 would be?
[18:18] <ScottK> oxymoron: The Todo page in /topic should give you an idea of the stuff we want to get done.
[18:18] <oxymoron> And what about QT and OpenGL, will nouvau, desktop effcts and having OpenGL + Cairo dock at the same time work when you play video files or not and so on.
[18:19] <oxymoron> ScottK: I have looked on blueprints and todo, but havent found any useful info.
[18:19] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: so will you shift it back to the default install?
[18:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: You installed kdeplasma-addons, not just plasma-widgets-addons.  That's why it was so big.
[18:20] <oxymoron> Then I wonder, why is Rekonq new default browser and not Konqueror? :) Same question for KOnversation vs Quassel?
[18:20] <shadeslayer_> hmmm
[18:20] <ScottK> oxymoron: For Rekonq versus Konqueror it's pretty clear that khtml is not keeping up with evolving web technologies and so we need to shift to something webkit based.
[18:21] <oxymoron> "lucid->maverick upgrade testing " - WOuld that mean from todo list that someone FINALLY test so it works upgrade fron Lucid to Maverick? :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: btw if you find out which im client it was tell me too :D
[18:21] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: do you think it was empathy ?
[18:22] <oxymoron> ScottK: Alright :) Well why not use WebKit in Konqueror? :P Not that I like Konqueror but I just wonder. I really like Rekonq, but current status of it is not good.
[18:22] <ScottK> oxymoron: That kind of crap makes me completely disinterested in answering your questions.
[18:22] <ScottK> A lot of us spend a lot of time doing upgrade testing.
[18:22] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Yeah I am trying to google for it and doesnt find it, it really is good and looks like MSN but with complete KDE style/Oxygen.
[18:22] <ScottK> As a result, all the hardware I own upgrades fine.
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: btw im in 2 minds.. should i recommend KDE to a first time Linux user? or do i go with gnome 
[18:23] <oxymoron> ScottK: Last times I upgraded from Hardy, Karmic and so on nothing worked and I had to reinstall a clean copy of the new version.
[18:24] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: I would recommend KDE instead of Gnome if they come from Apple I think, but not sure about Windows users. At the moment Gnome is a little bit easier, but KDE is a lot better IMO.
[18:24] <ScottK> oxymoron: I do multiple upgrade tests every cycle.  I also tested Hardy -> Maverick even though it's unsupported.
[18:24]  * shadeslayer_ still has hardy CD's lying around ....
[18:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: If they are coming from Windows, no question KDE.
[18:25] <oxymoron> ScottK: HArdy => Karmic and Karmic => Lucid freaked my desktop out, incompability with home dir settings with the new version of the apps.
[18:25] <oxymoron> ScottK: When I did clean install everything worked again though.
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> i finally saw Star wars 1 today :P
[18:25] <oxymoron> ScottK: btw, you developers need to learn taking critisism.
[18:26] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Hahahaha, awesome, have you not seen anyone before? :D
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: no :(
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> well not completely that is...
[18:26] <ScottK> oxymoron: You non-developers need to stop assuming that because something doesn't work for you no one tests stuff and no one cares.
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: another issue you might want to know about is with Qt creator
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> it doesnt pick up installed examples....
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> like when you start qtcreator theres a small button which says " Examples Not Installed "
[18:28] <ScottK> I think Riddell's the best person to poke about that.
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ^^
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> i have qtcreator-docs installed....
[18:28] <oxymoron> ScottK: I dont assuming anything, I just see it doesnt work and never have. I am curious to know why its the same story everytime I should upgrade. I really tried upgrade and firstly it went really smooth, but when booting up some apps didnt work and break the system.
[18:28] <ScottK> BTW, seeds are fixed.  I'm updating kubuntu-meta now to put plasma-widgets-addons back in the default install.
[18:29] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: Seriously?! :O
[18:29] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: yes.... hard to believe i know :P
[18:30] <ScottK> oxymoron: I've got multiple systems and some of them have been continuously upgraded since Hardy or before with no problem.  The only time I've ever reinstalled was upgrading Dapper to Karmic.
[18:30] <oxymoron> shadeslayer_: You need to see them all, trust me ;) What did you think of first one? :) And its kind of good, now you can see them in order :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer_> oxymoron: continuing in OT
[18:31] <oxymoron> ScottK: Alright, well I guess my PC isnt as yours then but then its not hardware issues, only software. Then when something doesnt worked as before and trying to fix it, its getting worse and in the end I just reinstall clean copy.
[18:32] <ScottK> I can understand doing that and I appreciate that because it works for me, doesn't mean it works for everyone.
[18:32] <ScottK> Similarly, please don't assume that because you have problems, it doesn't work for anyone and we don't test this stuff.
[18:33] <oxymoron> ScottK: Well I dont assume that ;) Good to know its confirmed though :)
[18:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kubuntu-meta/1.181
[18:39] <ScottK> Thanks for pointing it out and testing.
[18:39] <lex79> ScottK: can you upload kubuntu-default-setting from bzr? thanks
[18:39] <shadeslayer> w00t :)
[18:39] <ScottK> lex79: Not just now, I need to be offline for a bit.
[18:39] <lex79> kk
[18:39] <lex79> no problem
[18:45] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[18:45] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 3 weeks ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[18:53]  * shadeslayer goes to fix klog
[18:54] <claydoh> whenever I post about upgrade testing, I go the the qa system and only see as many as 5 or 6 testers :(
[18:54] <claydoh> and that included me and ri dell and some other devs
[18:54] <shadeslayer> claydoh: i did some testing too :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> me!=dev :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> claydoh: well thats usually the case :(
[18:55] <claydoh> hence the 'other devs' :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> we need more publicity :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> to the identi.ca mobile! 
[18:56] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I often on ly see myself as the only 'regular' user, maybe 1 or 2 others
[18:56] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:57] <claydoh> Heck, in kubuntuforums, i think those guys just keep running pre-release and dont test upgrading
[18:57] <claydoh> which actually is kinda cool, but I do try and ask for upgrade testing whenn it is time
[18:58] <shadeslayer> claydoh: advocacy is the key :)
[18:59] <shadeslayer> claydoh: get a identi.ca account and start shouting :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> plasma crashed 4 times after i said plasma hasnt crashed till now....
[18:59] <shadeslayer> i wonder if its logging keystrokes
[19:01] <ScottK> claydoh: Normally I don't show up in the QA system because I just fix stuff as I find it and don't do any paperwork.
[19:01] <claydoh> I may need to do a wiki page on testing, the qa site is not hard but it may be easy to get lost for some, or at least 
[19:01] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I'm already there
[19:02] <claydoh> don't dent too much, but I do 
[19:02] <claydoh> ScottK: but you kinda don't need to :)
[19:02] <shadeslayer> well use the !kubuntu and !ubuntu tabs
[19:02] <jjesse> people still use identi.ca?
[19:03] <ScottK> claydoh: Just saying that more testing happens than appears there.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> jjesse: 0_o what do you mean by still ?
[19:03] <jjesse> ive given up on ident.ca too much spam
[19:03] <claydoh> ScottK: that's whay I meant :)
[19:03] <jjesse> and the noise is way to high
[19:03] <jjesse> compared to the good stuff
[19:03] <claydoh> and twittter is any different?
[19:04] <claydoh> it all depends what you follow I guess
[19:04] <jjesse> for me it is vastly superiour
[19:04] <claydoh> I use both
[19:05] <claydoh> but yeah, if you look at it it is mostly preaching to the converted sometimes on identi.ca
[19:06] <claydoh> but asking for testing there is a good venue
[19:07] <claydoh> omg my wife just rented an Audi !  road trip!!!
[19:07] <claydoh> sorry now i gotta find a place to go to :)
[19:08] <ScottK> Florida?
[19:09] <claydoh> no way, plus it has to be a day trip, back to work on Monday
[19:09]  * claydoh does not like florida, or rather the humidity and heat there
[19:10] <jjesse> where are you starting from?
[19:10] <claydoh> Bangor Maine
[19:10] <jjesse> boston?
[19:10] <jjesse> niagra falls?
[19:10] <claydoh> could be, but probably somewhere in Maine
[19:11] <jjesse> boston is like 4 hours?
[19:11] <claydoh> no overnight probably
[19:12]  * claydoh wishes she rented a Raptor so we could go camping
[19:12] <claydoh> way out in the deep woods
[19:13] <claydoh> she sez they were out of Mustangs :(
[19:13] <claydoh> so i think she want to drive (too) fast :D
[19:13] <jjesse> when you get to a crossroad just flip a coin for left or right
[19:14] <claydoh> yeah, we do that, even in the middle of logging country we never get lost
[19:15] <claydoh> but it has been a loooong time for just a fun no-reason trip
[19:15] <jjesse> so stop hanging out here and jump in the car
[19:16] <claydoh> she is still at work, until 6pm
[19:16] <jjesse> oh
[19:16] <claydoh> surprised she didn't get a truck, she is a truck guy
[19:16] <claydoh> um, truck woman rather
[19:17]  * shadeslayer watches as pbuilder unpacks stuff
[19:17] <jjesse> does google maps have the ability to give me all locations within X hours of my current location?  cause that would be cool
[19:18] <jjesse> like give me all cities within 4 hours
[19:18] <shadeslayer> also the last 20 mins here are all OT :P
[19:18] <claydoh> :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> not that im saying anything... just dropping a hint 
[19:19] <claydoh> so back on topic, where can I view good information about source format 3, which I just noticed
[19:19] <shadeslayer> btw on maverick any one experiencing their bluetooth coming on and off... 
[19:19] <shadeslayer> claydoh: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[19:19] <shadeslayer> best thing on the interwebs
[19:20]  * shadeslayer needs to switch off the AC
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: pokey
[19:21] <lex79> shadeslayer: pong
[19:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: /tmp/buildd/klog-0.5.5/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src/moc_klognetwork.cpp:75: error: 'QDialog' has not been declared << Any idea what could have caused this?
[19:22] <lex79> nope
[19:22] <lex79> maybe missing header inclusion?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> hmm.. which one? ... ill have to patch this if thats the case
[19:24] <shadeslayer> lex79: aha! found the issue
[19:25] <shadeslayer> /#include <QDialog> in klognetwork.h
[19:25] <shadeslayer> lex79: so is it ok if i patch that?
[19:25] <lex79> why you are building klog?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: uh.. its ftbfs ...
[19:26] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klog
[19:26] <lex79> that package is sync'ed with debian
[19:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: yes but its FTBFS ...
[19:29] <lex79> do it then, if the patch fix ftbs is fine
[19:29] <shadeslayer> woot
[19:29] <lex79> you should also contact upstream about that
[19:30] <shadeslayer> yeah sure :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: do i need to add series file as well to debian/patches?
[19:31] <lex79> yes
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lex79: any idea what to name the patch?
[19:32] <lex79> uhm it ftbs also in debian https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=klog&ver=0.5.5-1&arch=i386&stamp=1274008161&file=log
[19:32] <shadeslayer> doh...
[19:32] <shadeslayer> will forward patch to upstream and debian
[19:33] <lex79> kubuntu_01_fix_qdialog_include.diff
[19:35] <shadeslayer> lex79: .diff or .patch ?
[19:36] <lex79> it's the same, I prefer .diif :)
[20:42] <apparle> guys why is 'System Connection' checkbox in new/edit connection under wired tab of Network Manager greyed out.
[20:44] <apparle> I didn't get anything useful in #kubuntu so i thought may someone knows here. 
[20:49] <shadeslayer_> apparle: hey
[20:49] <shadeslayer_> apparle: your network manager is down
[20:49] <apparle> shadeslayer_: means?
[20:50] <shadeslayer_> apparle: theres a network manager daemon which controls your network
[20:50] <shadeslayer_> that daemon has stopped...
[20:50] <shadeslayer_> or crashed :P
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> apparle: try : sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:51] <apparle> shadeslayer_: I can see a system tray icon.
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> yes that is there,but its just the icon
[20:53] <apparle> shadeslayer_: tried that also. 
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. there was bug about this... mind trying LP?
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> im a bit tied up with stuff :)
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> apparle: the bug title had greyed out in it :P
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> thats all i remember 
[20:56] <apparle> :P and it is associated with which package? 
[20:58] <apparle> shadeslayer_: ^
[20:58] <shadeslayer_> apparle: network manager of course :)
[21:00] <mfraz74> Can someone confirm this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242192
[21:00] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like libpackagekit-qt-14 is only in Main on i386.  Needs promotion on the other archs (it's why the kpackagekit upload FTBFS).
[21:01] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: im trying to patch some stuff during a build,ive added patches/series and patches/the_patch.diff , what else is needed ? build dep on quilt added as well
[21:02] <ScottK> Depending on the package, you'll possibly need debian/rules changes too
[21:02] <mfraz74> it was working fine in KDE 4.4.4, but can't seem to get kompare to save in 4.5
[21:02] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: ok what needs to be added? its in the old format...
[21:03] <ScottK> The get thing to do is find a package that uses it can see.
[21:03] <ScottK> get/best
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> its using stuff like : include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk and include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[21:03] <ScottK> IIRC there's a quilt.mk somewhere too, but it's been a long time since I looked at that.
[21:04] <ScottK> Riddell: slangasek fixed libpackagekit-qt-14, so no need to worry.
[21:04]  * shadeslayer_ checks out bzr
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: can i use include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[21:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: You can.
[21:08] <ScottK> That won't use quilt though, that's a different patch system.
[21:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: What package is this for?
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: klog
[21:09] <shadeslayer_> it needs patching to add the QDialog library 
[21:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Since Debian doesn't use a patch system, don't add one, just make the changes inline.
[21:10] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: hmm.. so edit the sources by hand? ( idk the meaning of inline :P )
[21:10] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:10] <ScottK> inline means in the actual source.
[21:10] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: Also debian package is FTBFS as well...
[21:10] <shadeslayer_> same issue
[21:11] <ScottK> Then once you're done put the diff in a bug on Debian BTS
[21:11] <shadeslayer_> sure
[21:13] <shadeslayer_> brb
[21:19] <shadeslayer> omg... the whole panel at the bottom looks so misty :D
[21:21] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: focus
[21:21] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: eh? the name of the effect>
[21:21] <mfraz74> ah
[21:22] <shadeslayer> i think kubuntu 10.10 is going to be... wait for it.... legendary! 
[21:22] <mfraz74> hope so
[21:22] <shadeslayer> hold on ill post some screenies :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: http://imagebin.ca/view/T0IPhaQ.html
[21:25] <shadeslayer> see the icons at the bottom.. all misty and stuff :P
[21:25] <ulysses> all icons must be similar, it's awesome
[21:25] <mfraz74> that's pretty much what I've got with KDE 4.5
[21:26] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: well i didnt...
[21:26] <mfraz74> is that the default new wallpaper?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> i accidentally removed .kde :P
[21:26] <mfraz74> oops
[21:26] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: nah.. that is a pretty old wallpaper
[21:26] <ulysses> It was KDE 4.1's wallpaper
[21:26] <shadeslayer> and i got these awesome effects \o/
[21:26] <shadeslayer> anyways i really like it :D
[21:28] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: are you having the problem of notifications going past the top of the screen so the 'x' is no longer visibile?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: hmm.. dunno.. try highlighting me in 2 secs after this pos
[21:29] <shadeslayer> +t
[21:31] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: im waiting :P
[21:31] <mfraz74> how do I highlight you?
[21:31] <ulysses> shadeslayer: the 'x' going out the screen when the text is too long
[21:32] <shadeslayer> hmm.. no seems to be fine here....
[21:32] <shadeslayer> maybe because i have liberation ?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> !who | mfraz74
[21:32] <ulysses> maybe the translated text is longer then the original:P
[21:32] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: try using the liberation font
[21:33] <mfraz74> here, i have a notification pop up when someone appears online with kopete, if I leave it for a while and check the notifications, they go off the top of the screen and I can't see the close icon
[21:33] <mfraz74> sorry if i wasn't being clear the first time
[21:33] <ulysses> hm, I used FreeSerif before, but Liberation is better^^
[21:35] <mfraz74> ulysses: think I've got the liberation fonts installed, not sure about freeserif though
[21:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw ill have to edit the sources in the tarball as well?
[21:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: no.  edit the unpacked source and it'll get included in the diff.gz
[21:40] <shadeslayer> oh my.. not good... the have ~ files ( backup files in the tarball ) ..... how clumsy
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dpkg-source: warning: file klog-0.5.5/src/klognetwork.cpp has no final newline (either original or modified version) 
[21:46] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: I didn't find that bug :(
[21:46] <shadeslayer> bah.. ill leave a msg when i see a solution for you :)
[21:46] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: in any case it should work after you reboot ;)
[21:48] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: you missed my problem. I have made a new wired network connection named "xyz". Now system tries to connect to 'Auto eth0' and when it fails on that, then it tries to connect to my connection. what do I do to make it default
[21:48] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: oohhh ...
[21:48] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: theres a option which says connect automatically
[21:49] <shadeslayer> when you edit your connection theres a tick box for that
[21:49] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: that means that when 'auto eth0' fails then automatically connect 'xyz'. I have it checked
[21:50] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: hmmm weird.. ive never tried it tho...
[21:50] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: that's why I want to make it the sytem connection, but that checkbox is greyed out
[21:51] <shadeslayer> yeah thats grayed out since last 2 releases :P
[21:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[21:51] <mfraz74> http://imagebin.ca/view/UrAnJS3.html
[21:52] <mfraz74> As you can see I can't get to the 'x' icon
[21:53] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: ahh that way,yes i get that :(
[21:53] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: phew, glad it isn't just me
[21:54] <shadeslayer> oh i give up on klog...
[21:54] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: you know who is the developer of knm
[21:54] <shadeslayer> nope...
[21:54] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: i think its a problem at our end... maybe....
[21:54] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: our end=?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: as in the devs/packages disabled it for some reason ...
[21:56] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: ok.... anyways I had to discuss few other problems with the knm so I asked if you know the dev
[21:56] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: either a) file a bug or b) Come back when some kubuntu devs are around :P
[21:56] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: what I wanna tell is not exactly what I can write in a bug report, it is a little confusing
[21:57] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[21:59] <apparle_busy> I want to suggest a package to be added to ubuntu repos, but I don't have time to learn package maintainance, is there any place I can suggest it?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> weird... mistiness gone :(
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: go for it :)
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: is it in debian?
[22:01] <apparle_busy> apparle_busy: don't know, but its in development and available on the package website :P
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: which app?
[22:01] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: qipmsg
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: http://code.google.com/p/qipmsg/downloads/list ?
[22:02] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: yes
[22:02] <shadeslayer> hmm not in debian
[22:02] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: its not on debian
[22:02] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: ill have a go at it :)
[22:03] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: do they have a irc channel?
[22:03] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: I don't think, its a small app, so I don't think there are many people , only one or two guys
[22:04] <shadeslayer> hmm... too bad.. would have speeded things up a bit..
[22:04] <shadeslayer> ill mail them anyhow :)
[22:04] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: how 
[22:04] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: well i see they have debs on the download page,i could have asked for the debian/ folder which is required for packaging
[22:05] <shadeslayer> then updated it as per 10.10 requirements
[22:05] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: I think it has it. check the source
[22:05] <shadeslayer> easier than packaging it first time
[22:05] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: oh and can you file a bug against this? 
[22:05] <shadeslayer> then i can close it the changelog
[22:06] <apparle_busy> apparle_busy: against it means, ?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> w00t it does have it
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: like file a bug : Please package qipmsg 
[22:06] <shadeslayer> then add some description to the bug...
[22:06] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: ohhh.... confusing..... considering it is not a bug exactly
[22:06] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: oh it is!
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: bugs arent just crashes...
[22:08] <shadeslayer> do we allow languages other than english in the control file as a part of the describes?
[22:10] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: since you are putting in qipmsg, can you also do onething
[22:10] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: yes....
[22:11] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: there are packages xipmsg (X), g2ipmsg (GNOME), qipmsg (Qt/KDE). make a virtual package ipmsg provided by all these
[22:11] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: uh... one sec,the first 2 are in the repos?
[22:11] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: yes
[22:12] <shadeslayer> cool
[22:12] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: if possible make some setting such that g2ipmsg gets installed on ubuntu and qipmsg on KDE
[22:13] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: hmm.. well i dont think thats possible
[22:13] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: whole of my college hostel would be grateful to you, because ipmsg is used for inter LAN communication.
[22:13] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: why 
[22:13] <shadeslayer> but if someone wants the KDE version they can install qipmsg...
[22:14] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: because its not implemented ? :P
[22:14] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: can't apt detect the DE and install accordingly?
[22:14] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: no... afaik it cant
[22:15] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: still good enough :)
[22:19] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: filed that bug yet?
[22:19] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: filing
[22:19] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:20] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: actually its doing something (rotating black flower something) :P
[22:20] <shadeslayer> ah ok :D
[22:21] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/596366
[22:21] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: will I have to file a new bug in case the website releases a new version?
[22:22] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: no
[22:22] <shadeslayer> the new version will be packaged once a new version is available
[22:22] <shadeslayer> just poke me :P
[22:23] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: cool. I suggest you tell the developers that you have added it to repos, so they don't get into the trouble of doing it again, or ask them if they would like to maintain it?
[22:23] <shadeslayer> hmm... ill put it in a mail :)
[22:25] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: so you have put it into repos, how much time would it take to reach me
[22:26] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: depends on build queue,also since i cant upload to universe i have to upload to revu where it is reviewed and sponsored and proceeds into universe
[22:26] <shadeslayer> so about a week to get into universe and then a day to build 10 mins to publish and be available :)
[22:26] <shadeslayer> thats my rough estimate :P
[22:27] <shadeslayer> could take longer
[22:27] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: cool, and did you also manage that virtual package?
[22:28] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: and does that package  go back to debian?
[22:28] <shadeslayer> nope.. ill have to file a bug separately for that
[22:28] <shadeslayer> and what virtual package?
[22:29] <shadeslayer> im just building one package qipmsg :)
[22:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: No idea about that.
[22:30] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: ScottK was that for my NM problem
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: seems so :)
[22:31] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: if you find any kubuntu devs around and if I am around ping me. I'll tell the NM problem
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sure
[22:31] <shadeslayer> btw ScottK is a dev :P
[22:32] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: so should I start with my problem, I mean does he work on NM. ScottK: do you?
[22:33] <ScottK> apparle_busy: No much.  I think it's mostly Riddell and Tonio (who's not here)
[22:34] <apparle_busy> ScottK: ok I'll ask them when they are around. 
[22:38] <apparle_busy> ok guys, if I am suggesting a qt app to be provide notifications through the KDE notifications system, would the resulting code be KDE system specific?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> not necessarily... using dbus should give notifications in Gnome and KDE
[22:39] <shadeslayer> well.. dbus is probably what you will use anyways :P
[22:40] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: the dbus code would be same for kde and gnome or would it change. I mean would the app remain same without a recompile
[22:40] <shadeslayer> should be same...
[22:40] <shadeslayer> no real idea tho...
[22:41] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: or is the notification system provided under org.freedesktop etc.?
[22:41] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: your app is compiling :)
[22:41] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: probably ...
[22:41] <apparle_busy> :)
[22:41] <shadeslayer> i have no idea about coding :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> a bit of C/C++ here and there :D
[22:41] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: I mean I am going to suggest psi+ developers to support kde notifications.
[22:42] <shadeslayer> no idea..
[22:44] <shadeslayer> hmm.. it seems to be working fine
[22:44] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: got a bug number for me yet?
[22:45] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: I have given it to you a long time back
[22:45] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[22:45] <apparle_busy> [02:51:07] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/596366
[22:46] <ScottK> apparle_busy: As of KDE 4.4 the KDE notification system uses the same FDO messaging protocol used by libnotify (the standard Gnome notification system) and notify-osd (the Ubuntu replacement).
[22:46] <ScottK> So as long as you use the FDO DBUS stuff, it shouldn't matter.
[22:47] <apparle_busy> ScottK: so I can ask the psi+ to support FDO DBus
[22:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:47] <apparle_busy> ScottK: can you tell me exact words I should use. :P
[22:47] <ScottK> That should work ~everywhere for current systems.
[22:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: upstream has a debian/ folder in sources.. what do i do with it?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> im packaging this baby from scratch :P
[22:51] <ScottK> It's up to you.
[22:51] <ScottK> You can repack the tarball to remove it or you can just modify what's there.
[22:51] <shadeslayer> ok.. upload to revu for review after its done>
[22:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. i unpacked the sources and removed debian folder but its still in the tarball
[22:52] <ScottK> Yes.  To remove it you need to repack the tarball.
[22:52] <ScottK> Let me get you a reference
[22:52] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[22:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Look at 6.7.8.2 here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-origtargz
[22:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you explain point 4 there?
[22:58] <shadeslayer> do i need to rename the repackaged top dir with a .orig ?
[22:58] <ScottK> It's better to.
[22:58] <ScottK> mv packagename-upstreamversion packagename-upstreamversion.orig
[22:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: done...
[23:01] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: hey you are an indian :)
[23:02] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: yes ;)
[23:02] <shadeslayer> apparle_busy: how did you come to know?
[23:02] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: Rohan Garg..... rare possiblity of being a foreign nationale
[23:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:03] <apparle_busy> shadeslayer_: join us at #kde-in if you like KDE :P
[23:05] <shadeslayer> what fun... didnt know that channel exsisted :P
[23:36] <shadeslayer> in case anyone can review my revu upload : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8319
[23:36] <shadeslayer> maco: specially you :P ^^