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ari-tczewcan someone take a look what happens with Debian Import?10:08
geserwhat you mean?10:31
ari-tczewgeser: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/universe.html#outdatedinB10:32
ari-tczewpackages from Debian are not coming10:32
geserari-tczew: Debian Import is only semi-automatic. An archive admin has to run a script for it.10:33
ari-tczewgeser: so who is responsible to this script?10:34
ari-tczewany archive admin?10:34
geseryes10:34
geseror more precisely the archive admin of the day10:34
geserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration has the rotation10:35
ari-tczewheh, not works on weekend10:37
dupondjehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygobject/2.21.2-0ubuntu1/+build/178757711:26
dupondjecan somebody check this11:26
dupondje'failed to upload'11:26
jpdsHmm, odd. wgrant ↑.11:29
wgrantjpds, dupondje: Ah, well, you see, this is what we call a rejection that makes absolutely no sense.11:32
wgrantI suggest retrying the build.11:33
dupondjeI have no permission :)11:36
geserdupondje: find a core-dev of your choice and let him give the package back to the buildd11:37
ari-tczewdupondje: we need to finish prepare a fix for asterisk11:38
geseror simply ignore the problem (as sparc is most likely to get abandoned for maverick)11:38
dupondjei'll note it to seb128 when he's online :)11:40
dupondjeari-tczew: ?11:40
ari-tczewdupondje: do you forgot? you tried to fix security issue for asterisk in dapper11:40
dupondjeerr right :)11:42
dupondjehad a buzzy week, my brain is in stand-by11:42
dupondje:)11:42
dupondjehttp://ubuntu.dupondje.be/asterisk3.debdiff this was the latest :p11:42
ari-tczewdupondje: I know, I have this patch on my disk11:43
ari-tczewwe can continue review, but not now11:43
shadeslayer_wow.. 14 hours of uptime and my mem is idling at a cool 1 GB.... go go maverick!11:43
shadeslayer_most of it is xorg and quassel :P11:45
ari-tczewwhy DebianImportFreeze is always before FeatureFreeze? can't we set DebianImportFreeze and FeatureFreeze in one time?12:01
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Respawnerhello13:20
RespawnerI'm currently working on a package to have it reviewed and uploaded. But I do have a question. When using debuild, do I have to sign the source package or not?13:23
JontheEchidnaRespawner: Signing the source is required13:26
JontheEchidna(for security purposes)13:27
RespawnerJontheEchidna: ok, thank you13:27
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BlackZbdrung: it can be synced directly, see bug #59626514:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 596265 in freemind (Ubuntu) "Please sync freemind 0.9.0~rc7+dfsg-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59626514:24
bdrungBlackZ: done and marked the other two bugs as duplicates14:33
bdrungBlackZ: you have my endorsement now15:28
BlackZbdrung: thanks!15:29
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ScottKRespawner: It's required to upload it.  If you are just using it locally, it doesn't need to be signed.16:29
ScottKlucas: This coming Thursday is Debian Import Freeze for Maverick.  Doing a rebuild test next weekend would be a good time I think.  Would this be possible?16:30
ari-tczewbdrung: thanks for very quick response!16:59
ScottKI'd be really interested if someone can figure out the reason for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsruby/1.47-1/+build/176484517:00
ScottKThe build-deps are perfectly installable in a local Maverick chroot.17:00
bdrungari-tczew: you're welcome.17:01
geserScottK: I wonder how you could resolve this as I can reproduce it. Digging a little more shows: ruby: Conflicts: rdoc17:06
ScottKgeser: Odd.  I just apt-get build-dep and it installed.17:06
geserhmm17:07
ScottKrdoc didn't get pulled in for my test.17:07
ScottKSo that would explain why it installed.17:07
geserruby provides also rdoc17:07
ScottKAh, so it's an install sequence issue.17:08
geserapt-get -s build-dep works for my too17:09
gesers/my/me/17:09
ScottKSounds like it's a matter of dropping the rdoc depends from pkg-ruby-tools.17:09
geserhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/rdoc17:09
gesercould perhaps also help17:09
ScottKNo doubt.17:10
* ScottK looks at lucas to find out if Debian is doing this transition too?17:11
geseronly rails, right-aws and right-http-connection have a versioned build-dependency. And rails is only an alternative17:12
geseronce the real deb "rdoc" is gone it should work17:13
ScottKNice.17:13
geserit's similar to the texlive 2009 transition in lucid where a stale deb blocked some packages to build17:13
* ScottK wonders if there's an archive-admin with sufficient access around to kill it?17:14
ScottKjames_w maybe?17:14
geserScottK: I just confirmed that this would fix it. I edit the Packages file inside my pbuilder and droped the rdoc package and apt-get install the build-dependencies works again17:16
ScottKCool.17:16
ScottKI'm fixing right-aws17:21
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ScottKLooking at right-http-connection too.17:23
ScottKIt makes sense then that the two problematic packages aren't in Debian.17:24
geserI guess dropping the version from rdoc (make the build dependency unversioned) is enough as even dapper has a newer rdoc17:29
ScottKHeh.  I didn't look at it that closely.  I just made them like rails.17:29
ScottKgeser: I filed a bug to ask for rdoc to be removed.  Thanks again for your analysis.17:40
ari-tczewgeser: you aren't a core developer?17:42
geserari-tczew: nope, only MOTU17:42
ari-tczewgeser: heh, I'm amazed, because I think that you're in DMB and you've a large knowledge17:44
sebnerari-tczew: he is just too lazy to apply :P17:44
* sebner waves at geser :)17:44
ari-tczewsebner: I think that it would be nice if I'll block some requests on you17:45
* ScottK notes to sebner that there is precedent for filing a core-dev application on behalf of someone else.17:45
sebnerari-tczew: hmm?17:46
sebnerScottK: hahaha :D17:46
ScottKNo.  It's true.17:46
sebnerScottK: really? O_o17:46
ScottKYes.  That's how Hobbsee got core-dev.17:46
* geser waves back at sebner17:47
sebnerScottK: well, you can't do anything as long as the person in question is strictly against it though I think?! You can force anything over someone17:47
ari-tczewsebner: you've only 1 bug sponsored for me. I think that number should grow17:47
ScottKNo, but you can solve the lack of motivation to fill out the application problem.17:48
sebnerScottK: ah, good point17:48
sebnergeser: are you too lazy? :P17:48
sebnerari-tczew: ah, heh. maybe ;D17:48
ari-tczewsebner: one merge is remaining to universe. are you interested?17:49
sebnerari-tczew: hmm, why not. link17:49
geserari-tczew: there is no requirement for being a core-dev for being in the DMB; and having a certain level of knowledge doesn't force you to core-dev17:50
sebnerScottK: speaking about motivation, remember the core-dev application of sistpoty? ;)17:50
ScottKYes.17:51
gesersebner: no, it's just that I don't see the need for myself for being a core-dev. For the occasional uploads to main I do, sponsoring is enough.17:51
sebnerheh17:51
sebnerThat's it, it seems :)17:52
ari-tczewsebner: can you wait 5 minutes? I have to update description in patch17:52
sebnerari-tczew: sure, I can't promise I'll look at it right now anyways17:52
sebnerScottK: speaking about Hobbsee, has she disappeared? :(17:53
sebnerScottK: wow, that was pretty bad englisch but you understand it anyways :P17:53
ScottKsebner: Consult the channel Nick list.17:54
ari-tczewher english wasn't good enough?17:54
sebnerScottK: well, haven't seen any activity/uploads from her and besides,  [Hobbsee] idle 199:13:59 ..17:54
ScottKsebner: So she's around, just quiet.17:55
sebnerari-tczew: nah, I wrote "has she disappeared" instead of "did she disappear"17:55
gesersebner: do you miss the LPSOD™?17:55
sebnergeser: definately :)17:55
ScottKari-tczew: The comment was on the quality of sebner's own English.17:55
ari-tczewaha ok17:55
sebnerScottK: well, being around means something different /here imho17:55
ScottKShe does speak every now and then.17:56
sebnerScottK: oh, Ic. thx for the info17:56
ari-tczewI ask of english level, because I want to know what about of my english level17:57
ari-tczewit's good or not good17:57
sebnerari-tczew: no problems so far imho17:57
sebnergeser: was it you who wrote there is a lack of LPSOD some days ago? :)17:58
gesersebner: no, I didn't try to summon the LPSOD for a very long time17:59
geserari-tczew: it's good enough that I don't have any problems to understand you18:00
ari-tczewhehe, well, I'm glad, because my comments on my application says, that I have more problems with english than packaging skill :P18:00
sebnerhohohoho18:02
sebnerJun 15 14:01:52 *ScottK finds an insufficiency of longpointysticksofdoom lately.18:02
sebnerlogs ftw! :)18:02
coolbhavihi after installing the latest perl I get the following output E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.' on sudo apt-get install -f18:05
ari-tczewhi coolbhavi, nice to meet you on IRC18:05
coolbhavihi ari-tczew18:06
coolbhavigot it resolved through aptitude -f18:16
ari-tczewslangasek: why did you merge iputils, ignoring my patch?18:38
ari-tczewit's not fair18:38
ari-tczew2010-06-07  core branches  merge-lp-591029   iputils     lp:~ari-tczew/ubuntu/maverick/iputils/merge-lp-59102918:40
ari-tczewsebner: sorry, but now my patch now is useless ^^18:40
sebnerheh, kk18:41
sebnerari-tczew: I'm avoiding branches till maverick+1 anyways :P18:41
ari-tczewsebner: I don't understand, why?18:42
sebnerari-tczew: still not working 100%, besides I have to make changes, then push, then debuild and upload to ubuntu. Still too troublesome for me18:43
* geser warns of opening the buildlog for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozart/1.4.0-5build1/+build/177642119:06
ScottKgeser: sparc is about to go away.  Don't waste your time with it anyway.19:07
geserI just noticed earlier that artigas (sparc buildd) seemed to got stuck on this build. And wondered now about the build log as I saw that it's building an other package again.19:09
sebnergeser: woo, firefox froze xD19:09
gesersebner: I warned you :D19:10
sebnergeser: It would be the same if you told me: "no sweets before meal" :P19:10
gesersebner: it's a 278MB build log compressed to 309 kB19:11
sebnergeser: that's a nice compression algorythm then :D19:11
gesergzip :) but highly redundant data19:11
sebnerheh, true19:12
geserScottK: I know, I wait on wgrant updating qa.ubuntuwire.org so he can merge my branch for the FTBFS page dropping sparc19:12
ScottKOh, right. I forgot it was you that had done that.19:13
t0biashi everybody. my name is tobias and i would like to upload one of my applications to ppa, but so far i didn't figure out the proper way to package a qt-application (that obviously comes without a "configure"-script and no "make install" target). is there any documentation on how to correctly package a qt-application for ubuntu?19:53
ScottKt0bias: PPA packaging is better discussed in #ubuntu-packaging19:55
t0biasoh, ok, thank you!19:55
BlackZScottK: if a comment in the debian/changelog file is broken (I can't find the changes in the ubuntu package merging) I should drop it, shouldn't I?20:17
slangasekari-tczew: hrm, apparently because I failed to check the bug list for that package before working on it - sorry20:18
slangasekari-tczew: for some reason the bug page also doesn't show me a link to your branch?20:19
slangaseker; because you've deleted the branch, I guess?20:19
slangasekari-tczew: I would be happy to review and merge your branch in place of mine if you want to re-publish it20:20
ari-tczewslangasek: I've deleted the branch, because today I've updated the patch description20:21
ari-tczewslangasek: so do I need to reupload and you'll merge it?20:21
slangasekif you reupload it, I can merge it, yes20:21
ari-tczewok20:22
ari-tczewwait 5 minur20:22
ari-tczewminutes20:22
ari-tczewslangasek: I prefer to use bzr as you saw, but what I can to do it, if you've uploaded your changes?20:24
ari-tczewuse debdiff instead bzr?20:24
slangasekari-tczew: I can uncommit the changes from bzr20:25
ari-tczewslangasek: so what we will deal with it?20:25
ari-tczews/what/how20:25
slangasekbzr please20:25
slangasekjust publish a branch based on revision 14 of the package branch20:26
slangasekor 15, if you're satisfied with the upstream merge and don't want to redo it :)20:26
ari-tczewslangasek: hmm, what do you think if I'll use my debian/changelog and patch for typo based on 18 revision?20:29
slangasekari-tczew: that's also ok20:29
ari-tczewnice! then uploading20:29
ari-tczewslangasek: done20:36
slangasekari-tczew: and package uploaded - thanks!20:44
ari-tczewslangasek: thanks also!20:45
* slangasek goes back to ripping dpatch out of aptitude20:46
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ali1234does anyone know what prevents nspluginwrapper 1.2 from being backported to hardy? (it has been backported everywhere else)20:59
mmclet's say there is a standard package  P, and I have a patched version of it, with added features. And then I have a package B which uses some added feature of that P.  Is there any way to express this dependency, using suitable  versions.  I want to avoid binding B to exact version of P. I would like to be able to upgrade (my patched) P without releasing B just to change the = dependency.22:16
Bachstelzemmc: maybe make a P-patched package instead of changing P's version number?22:20
Bachstelzeand make P-patched Replace P, so that it will (I think) be automatically installed instead of P when someone wants to install B22:21
shadeslayerquick question,can we rename upstream tarballs?22:21
Bachstelzeshadeslayer: yes, but only if you really can't do otherwise22:21
Bachstelzeactually22:21
Bachstelzeyou *have* to rename it to add orig.tar.gz anyway22:21
Bachstelzeso more specifics, maybe?22:22
rehanDear all how 2 install yahoo messanger22:24
Bachstelzerehan: this is not really the place to ask this, try #ubuntu :)22:25
shadeslayerBachstelze: also upstream ships the source with their own debian/ can i safely delete it and start over as this will be a new package in the archives?22:37
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Bachstelzeshadeslayer: in this case it's recommended to first talk to upstream and see if they could remove the debian/ dir from their tarball22:52
Bachstelzeptherwise you can move it away with get-orig-source I think, no need to repack it22:52
shadeslayeris there a procedure of sorts to get new packages into ubuntu universe?23:14
arand!newpackage | shadeslayer I guess here23:23
ubottushadeslayer I guess here: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports23:23
shadeslayerok found it via google ;)23:23
* shadeslayer wonders if someone is in the mood to advocate a revu package23:34
shadeslayerhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=831923:34
shadeslayerapparle: \o23:35

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