[00:01] Tools only let you get data if your opponent is dumber than you. An informed opponent can not be beaten by technology. [00:02] true, thats why informed people shred the hard drive. [00:02] Obsidian1723: maybe your coworkers use the word 'shred' to refer to what we were by the term, not physically shreding. [00:03] Funny thing is, part of SOX compliance is that all companies that are publically traded, must store all hard drivers for 10 years in case the feds need them. [00:03] When I say shred, I mean phjysically shred. [00:04] Data recovery is sticky, especially when you mess with HIPPA and SOX, good times.. glad I dont do that shyt personally. [00:04] but as for my drives, because of financial data, I physically run them thrugh a hard drive shredder. they are cheap enough to just buy new ones. [00:05] If a drive dies, its shredded physcially. end of story. Not even the NSA can get that data. [00:05] Maybe it's all a scam by the hard drive makers :P [00:05] doubtful [00:06] There's many court cases which involve forensics (computer) in some way. [00:06] cite one that recovered overwritten data on a drive made in the last decade [00:06] What kermit said. [00:06] of just simple temporary files or things that could be recovered with even PhotoRec [00:07] I know the stuff in the court cases - that's what I study. But it's nothing like what you're saying. [00:07] for the criminals that don't know crap about technology. [00:07] heh to recover NON overwritten data, i've uset 'strings' and 'grep' on the dev [00:07] Hell, I've used photorec just to recover from a misplaced rm command. [00:07] most dont know, true. [00:07] uset/used [00:07] yerah [00:07] Do a 35-pass of 1 and 0, that will keep most people out. [00:07] *most* [00:08] Just like a WEP key would keep most people out. [00:08] for wifi [00:08] most people are technologically idiotic [00:08] They know nothing. [00:08] Takyoji: about your original question regarding the shred command, in theory some filesystems might write to different physical locations than the original data, for either wear leveling or speed, and i suspect shred doesnt take that into account. [00:08] but that doesnt tive carte blache for not beding secure on your part [00:09] Takyoji: the xfs devs tell me theirs does not. [00:09] ahh; it's on EXT4 by the way [00:09] just stay out of the gunsights of the feds and youll all be ok. [00:09] peace [00:10] The shred man page says quite explicitly that it's intended for use on entire devices. [00:10] i bet all this time he's been handing a drive off to some department for "shredding" not realizing what they meant by the word [00:10] Most likely [00:10] aww, big bad scary guvvmint man ran away. Guess we'll have to go find some other conspiracy theory to talk about for a while. [00:11] nah, a lot of government agencies actually do shred them - what better way to waste taxpayer money and make it sound legit? If people knew it was unnecessary they'd get mad, so clearly that can't happen. [01:38] I just had a simpler idea for the basic cryptology. [01:38] Or tunnelling for that matter [01:38] I'll just install an HTTPS/HTTP proxy on my web server. [01:39] of which would force HTTPS [01:39] and would gzip the content [01:39] Just a simple PHP script is all it would need to be, even [01:42] Gah, the US Pirate Party has an IRC server with the worst availability [01:44] worse than undernet? [01:45] php script for what? [01:47] It would be like a typical anonymizer, but would force you to connect via HTTPS, would require you to authenticate in order to use it, and would compress any of the proxied content. [01:48] It would be exactly all I need [01:49] I could probably even write it myself, or modify a pre-existing one to do what I want. [01:50] because I don't need to tunnel some instant messaging or anything like that; all I need is HTTP [01:51] i dont see what all that has to do with php though [01:51] that sounds like just some config options in a proxy server [01:51] I'd just plop a PHP file on my webserver [01:52] rather than having to install some daemon or anything extensive [01:52] i dont know php but it sounds harder than just running a proxy server [05:59] How do you select a character in a specific range using regular expressions? Such as from 0x0590 to 0x05FF [07:14] Oh fun, grub-setup segfaulted! :D [08:01] When you dual-boot with a Windows OS, and use GRUB, does the installer mark all partitions except the Ubuntu partition as bootable? [08:23] Someone tell Takyoji later that it's [\x0590-\x05FF]