| vlada | tucemiux, what do you use now? | 00:00 |
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| tucemiux | vlada, i just finished installing ubuntu studio 10.04LTS using an ISO, im configuring my laptop rightg now | 00:00 |
| ScottL | no need to install the headers file manually (i don't think it's necessary actually but i could be wrong), synaptic will do it all | 00:00 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, i do need the headers actually otherwise some software wont work, like virtualbox, that needs the headers | 00:01 |
| vlada | tucemiux, what audio card are you using? integrated or you have some external? | 00:01 |
| tucemiux | vlada, integrated and it works really flaky | 00:02 |
| ScottL | also keep in mind, the kernel for 10.04 is 2.6.32 i believe, a real time kernel does not exist for the 2.6.32 kernel as igno never made the patch | 00:02 |
| ScottL | tucemiux, yes, i do believe you need the header files if you are using virtual box | 00:03 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, how do i install the header files using apt-get??? I have to install a lot of stuff manually, like the software center and the wireless utility gnome | 00:03 |
| ScottL | you *can* find a -rt kernel in the repositories but it should be the 2.6.31 kernel, which works pretty well, but it is an older kernel and may not support some hardware that 2.6.32 might | 00:04 |
| vlada | tucemiux, I might be wrong, but with that kind of hardware you might be forced to use -preempt or even -rt kernel :( | 00:04 |
| ScottL | tucemiux, software center should be installed on lucid 10.04 | 00:04 |
| ScottL | and you can also find network manager to configure networks on the ISO | 00:05 |
| ScottL | i'll find some documentation, hold on | 00:05 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, software center is not installed automatically using the ISO | 00:05 |
| vlada | tucemiux, I'm really not sure you even need it | 00:06 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, sudo apt-get install software-center network-manager-gnome | 00:06 |
| vlada | I have never used it personally | 00:06 |
| tucemiux | vlada, the software center?!? 0_o | 00:06 |
| vlada | yes | 00:06 |
| vlada | synaptic is much better | 00:06 |
| tucemiux | vlada, i use apt-get, sometimes i use synaptic, other times i use software center, basically it's software center, if i cant find what i want i use synaptic -- then once I find out the name of the package I use apt-get afterwards | 00:07 |
| vlada | tucemiux, well, we have to agree that diversity is good :) I have gentoo background so I really used to use terminal a lot. | 00:09 |
| vlada | Software center almost never but synaptic regularly. | 00:09 |
| tucemiux | yup yup | 00:09 |
| ScottL | hmm, tucemix that is strange because i was sure it was working (software center installed) :/ i'll have to look into that at some point | 00:09 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, its not installed by default | 00:10 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, on lucid is not installed by default | 00:10 |
| ScottL | tucemiux, yes, i thought we had fixed that but apparently not, it will have to be looked at later | 00:11 |
| ScottL | some people are unable to get their latptop configured for network (perhaps because they don't have a cable and a router to plug into) using gnome-network-admin | 00:12 |
| tucemiux | that would be awesome, if i find other things i'll let you know, im actually going to install ubuntustudio on virtualmachines and try to exorcise pulse audio until I get it right | 00:13 |
| ScottL | however, network-manager and network-manager-applet are both on the ISO and can be installed from there without configuring the network | 00:13 |
| ScottL | of course at which point you should be able to configure your network using network-manager | 00:13 |
| ScottL | here is the bug with more information about getting around the disabled gnome-network-admin gui https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828 | 00:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 570828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-admin on UbuntuStudio doesnt allow to configure either wired networks or wireless" [High,Triaged] | 00:14 |
| tucemiux | ScottL, thanks, i already found a fix to that one, sort of, i use the gnome wireless app, it works just fine, and once you get the wireless to go up once it'll fire on its own afterwards | 00:19 |
| tucemiux | im going to go now and finish configuring my distro, ill be back later on tonight, hopefully | 00:19 |
| ubuntu_ | hello. | 02:32 |
| ubuntu_ | when i downloaded the dvd i386 ubuntu studio 10.04 i dont get an option to try before install,...so how do i get to "try" it more importantly how can i use the disc as a repository so i can go online wirelessly - | 02:37 |
| ubuntu_ | i am on my ubuntu 10.04 live disc right now,...ubuntu studio is already installed | 02:38 |
| ScottL | ubuntu_, the ubuntu studio disc is the "alternate" install disc, it does not have a "live disc" option | 03:01 |
| ubuntu_ | ScottL, i was trying to figure out how i can get connected wireless to the internet. | 03:08 |
| ubuntu_ | ScottL, it couldnt configure the network during install and now everything is said and done - i have a firefox icon but no network icon to connect to | 03:09 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: do you have ethernet cable connected? | 03:10 |
| rlameiro | or just wireless? | 03:10 |
| ubuntu_ | wireless, ethernet is not an option at the moment | 03:10 |
| rlameiro | well, that its going to be tricky, because you may need to download restricted drivers in order to your wireless card to work | 03:11 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i found network-manager on the ISO disc (also network-manager-applet) | 03:12 |
| ubuntu_ | my usb has worked with every distro ive tried. knock wood- how can i install the network manager from the iso disc? | 03:13 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: yes, the disk has it, but the wireless drivers arent always on the disk, because some of them are propietary | 03:13 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, oh okay | 03:13 |
| * ScottL doesn't use wireless on ubuntu studio | 03:14 | |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: you need to add your install dvd as a repository | 03:14 |
| rlameiro | then go to synaptics and search for network manager | 03:14 |
| ubuntu_ | how do i add the install dvd as a repository? | 03:14 |
| ubuntu_ | i am hoping to be lucky enough to just need to be able to donwload the network manager :) | 03:15 |
| rlameiro | on sistem ---> administration | 03:15 |
| rlameiro | there is something like software sources or alike | 03:16 |
| rlameiro | i have my system in portuguese, so i dont know the english name | 03:16 |
| rlameiro | then on the second tab (maybe "other software") click on add cd | 03:17 |
| rlameiro | sometimes it is already activated | 03:17 |
| rlameiro | sorry, not activated, but already added, you need to select them for the fist tab | 03:18 |
| rlameiro | on the check box | 03:18 |
| rlameiro | then go to synaptics update | 03:18 |
| rlameiro | it will give you a bunch of erros, because you dont have internet | 03:18 |
| rlameiro | search the package and try to install | 03:18 |
| ubuntu_ | that should give me the network manager though, once i get that i should be ok, mint 9 and kubuntu/ubuntu 10.04 all worked well with my wireless usb | 03:20 |
| ubuntu_ | thank you guys ill be back hopefully from ym system and not this live disc.. | 03:21 |
| rlameiro | np | 03:21 |
| ScottL | good luck ubuntu_ | 03:21 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, how are you doing today? | 03:21 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: one more thing | 03:21 |
| rlameiro | if it says it failed installing, keep trying | 03:22 |
| rlameiro | it seems it will install a package at a time, because you dont have internet | 03:22 |
| rlameiro | i am not sure why that happens thoug | 03:22 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: I am fine, thank you :D | 03:22 |
| rlameiro | and you? | 03:22 |
| ubuntu_ | wow..looks like im in for a long night | 03:23 |
| rlameiro | I am really happy that you are a ubuntu member :D | 03:23 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: sorry, this edition of ubuntustudio had some network problems | 03:23 |
| rlameiro | that was out of our hands | 03:23 |
| rlameiro | someone change some stuff and forgott to tell us :D | 03:23 |
| ubuntu_ | this is my first time using it. even.. | 03:24 |
| rlameiro | but we are trying to fix it | 03:24 |
| ScottL | oh, thank you rlameiro , i've been working on that for awhile :) | 03:24 |
| ubuntu_ | i know i should get internet, im on a live disc and connected,... most of the day my freidn was on his laptop as well while ubuntustudio took 1000 hours and its sweet time installling | 03:25 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: what does that means, beeing a ubuntu member? ehat are you responsabilities and | 03:25 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: Ubuntustudio has a very big footprint | 03:25 |
| ubuntu_ | i chose everything as well,... all the suites | 03:26 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: half of the installing time is due to the fonts.... its the slowest process on the install | 03:26 |
| rlameiro | there you go | 03:26 |
| ubuntu_ | lol on ubuntu studio having a big foot print.... wait till i get the non studio items i use - | 03:27 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: what do you use? | 03:28 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, no new responsibilities, mainly prestige and it affords a few "privileges", like voting for council | 03:28 |
| ubuntu_ | i prefer xchat and / pidgin - kompozer kdenlive | 03:29 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: humm, push for more ubuntustudio support!!!! | 03:29 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i mainly did this so i can send my blog to the planet ubuntu blog aggregate so i can reach more people with ubuntu studio news :) | 03:29 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: you are a marketing man :D | 03:29 |
| ScottL | that's really the only "privilege" that i'm interested at this point ;) | 03:29 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: well, that arent big programms | 03:29 |
| ubuntu_ | much better than to "emulate" ubuntu studio by adding everything else | 03:30 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: you know, you can install ubuntu vanila, and then instal the ubuntustudio metapackages | 03:31 |
| rlameiro | and if you are on 64 bits ubuntu, you can also install the preempt kernel | 03:31 |
| rlameiro | that way you will not have network issues | 03:31 |
| ubuntu_ | what is the vanilla just right after the live disc finishes installing? | 03:33 |
| rlameiro | vanila, is the pure ubuntu | 03:33 |
| rlameiro | the standard ubuntu if you like it | 03:33 |
| ubuntu_ | what are the packages,..because if this doesnt work i will go with the vanilla install. | 03:34 |
| rlameiro | humm | 03:34 |
| rlameiro | ubuntu_: did you used ubuntu before? | 03:35 |
| rlameiro | if so, you can search for the ubuntustudio packages directly in synaptics | 03:35 |
| rlameiro | i am asking, because some users dont use synaptics, only the software center, and the packages arent there | 03:36 |
| ScottL | ubuntu_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu | 03:36 |
| rlameiro | search for ubuntustudio | 03:36 |
| rlameiro | they will come up | 03:36 |
| ScottL | that wiki page will tell you exactly what to install to get all the ubuntu studio functionality | 03:36 |
| rlameiro | well, better with the command line:D | 03:37 |
| ubuntu_ | i have used ubuntu since karmic. but have been on kubuntu for most of the time | 03:37 |
| rlameiro | at least it is faster :D thanks ScottL | 03:37 |
| ScottL | however, you might avoid the -rt kernel since it will be a regression since the kernel will be 2.6.31-rt | 03:37 |
| ScottL | lucid currently has the 2.6.32 kernel | 03:37 |
| ScottL | but i have also found that the 2.6.32 -generic kernel has been very, very good for recording audio | 03:38 |
| ubuntu_ | thank you all again so very much. | 03:42 |
| ubuntu_ | i have to run for a few.... but i will try this as soon as i get back.... | 03:42 |
| ScottL | good luck ubuntu_ | 03:43 |
| rlameiro | luck ubuntu_ | 03:44 |
| ubuntu_ | thank you, if this works....i should be back on under my normal name...'zus' nice meeting youse | 03:44 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: so, if you get in touch with MS, ask him to hire someone for the Studio departement :D | 03:45 |
| rlameiro | it would be nice to have someone to figure out the audio problems once for all :D | 03:45 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, MS? | 03:45 |
| ScottL | oh shuttleworth :D | 03:46 |
| rlameiro | yeap :D | 03:46 |
| rlameiro | if he does that, i will donate 100 € | 03:46 |
| ScottL | i doubt i'll be rubbing elbows with mark shuttleworth, however it would be cool | 03:46 |
| ScottL | cory was asked to a UDS and the story is that MS is the one who invited him | 03:47 |
| rlameiro | thats nice :D | 03:48 |
| ubuntu_ | cheers! | 03:48 |
| rlameiro | really, if one thing i gave it to the guy that spoke at LAC about pulse and jack | 03:49 |
| rlameiro | there is no real effort on audio in linux, besides on the mobile devices, where is the money now | 03:49 |
| rlameiro | linux desperately needs to have a unified audio api | 03:50 |
| ScottL | that would be really, really nice :D | 03:50 |
| rlameiro | or Maximum 2 | 03:50 |
| rlameiro | jack and PA working nicely on top of ALSA | 03:50 |
| ScottL | i believe we will get jack/pa working together well if lehnard poettering doesn't add another api any time soon | 03:51 |
| rlameiro | lol | 03:51 |
| rlameiro | well, true to be told it didnt happened on windows also | 03:51 |
| rlameiro | when they wanted good audio, came a company an made it | 03:51 |
| rlameiro | Steinberg - ~ASIO | 03:52 |
| ScottL | that's where mac's are nice, one way to do *anything*...of course, it all "just works" | 03:52 |
| rlameiro | only ones that always had good audio support was apple | 03:52 |
| ScottL | lol, same thought | 03:52 |
| rlameiro | they have their problems too | 03:52 |
| rlameiro | but way more easy to work it ou :D | 03:52 |
| ScottL | if we don't get answers soon on the gnome-network-admin disabled gui soon, i'm thinking of changing the seeds to network-manager is installed by default | 03:54 |
| ScottL | if people have trouble with it they can install network-admin after install | 03:54 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: well, but can we do something? isnt that issue out of our hands? | 03:56 |
| rlameiro | what i mean is, can we regress the patch? or must it be done for a "higher " rank DEV? | 03:58 |
| ScottL | we can seed whatever we want, more or less, it's our choice | 03:58 |
| rlameiro | yes i knoe, but we dont have the power to change network manager | 03:58 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: i am thinking maybe WICD | 03:59 |
| rlameiro | it could be a middle soulution | 03:59 |
| ScottL | sorry, three year old son bloodied his lip | 04:06 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i've been contacting one of the people who applied to disable gui patch to gnome-network-admin | 04:07 |
| ScottL | he says he is really busy lately, but i'll keep bugging him | 04:07 |
| rlameiro | his you son ok? | 04:07 |
| ScottL | yes, a little ice in a wash cloth and he's watching Thomas the Train movies in our bed now :) thank you | 04:08 |
| ScottL | if the disable gui patch isn't removed then gnome-network-admin is useless | 04:08 |
| rlameiro | exactly | 04:09 |
| ScottL | then we should probably use network-manager by default, which falls in line with ubuntu-desktop | 04:09 |
| rlameiro | in wich case we either can choose WICD or nm-applet | 04:09 |
| ScottL | if users find they have latency issues with network-manager then we can suggest that they download and install gnome-network-admin | 04:09 |
| rlameiro | yep, but then thy will have the same problem | 04:10 |
| ScottL | which they can do since they should have network-manager installed from disc which is functional and allows them to configure network | 04:10 |
| ScottL | network-manager and gnome-network-admin are two different applications | 04:10 |
| rlameiro | exactly | 04:10 |
| rlameiro | gnome network admin will bring again the same problem, if they install it | 04:11 |
| ScottL | oh, gotcha, but they can configure their network connection with network-manager i believe | 04:11 |
| ScottL | and then use network-admin | 04:11 |
| ScottL | i think | 04:11 |
| rlameiro | well, with wireless isnt that simple | 04:12 |
| rlameiro | with wired yes | 04:12 |
| ScottL | ah | 04:12 |
| rlameiro | AFAIK Wicd seems to me a more mature app | 04:12 |
| ScottL | well, i'll keep knocking on the dev for network-admin and there is Wicd also as you say | 04:13 |
| rlameiro | before nm-applet, wicd was my salvation for the pain in the ass WIFI configuration | 04:13 |
| rlameiro | also, wicd could be less intrusive than network manager | 04:13 |
| ScottL | i guess people do not look to see what launchpad tells them might be a duplicate bug when they file them :/ | 04:19 |
| rlameiro | i just marked one duplicate now | 04:20 |
| rlameiro | 10 minutes ago.. | 04:20 |
| ScottL | yeah, that's what i was talking about,\ | 04:44 |
| holstein | ScottL: i dont know much about traverso | 05:21 |
| holstein | i see its in the repos | 05:21 |
| * holstein is apt-getting it | 05:21 | |
| holstein | hmmmm | 05:24 |
| holstein | not starting for me yet | 05:24 |
| holstein | i'll play with it a bit | 05:25 |
| john__ | hi I'm having resolution issues using the newest version of Ubuntu Studio | 08:49 |
| john__ | everytime I log in it resets to an auto mode which is way too big of a resolution, where I can't see the top left corner where my menu button is located | 08:49 |
| john__ | can anyone help me? | 08:50 |
| john__ | anyone on? | 08:59 |
| zus | i just freshly installed ubuntu 10.04, and then in synaptic package manager, searched "ubuntu studio" and clicked all the options (except for u-splash. that didnt want to be clicked) then do i still need to do the repositories and what not? | 15:52 |
| holstein | zus: that should do it | 15:53 |
| zus | so i dont need to run the repositories then? | 15:55 |
| holstein | hmmmm | 15:56 |
| holstein | zus: im not sure what you mean by that | 15:56 |
| holstein | you dont need to add any additional repositories | 15:56 |
| holstein | you'll have to install the packages from the ubuntu repositories | 15:56 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList | 15:56 |
| holstein | heres a packages list | 15:57 |
| holstein | usplash is in the meta-package ubuntustudio-desktop | 15:57 |
| zus | the dvd just wasnt working right for me, i got the networkmanager but i never was abled to get the icon in the panel not get on line.... | 15:58 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio-desktop is the package that changes the look and feel | 15:58 |
| holstein | zus: too bad | 15:58 |
| holstein | hopefully this works better for you :) | 15:59 |
| zus | agree... i kinda wanted to try on it's own,..if that made anysense... i think it's exactly what i needed now that im looking through it | 15:59 |
| * holstein gotta run out the door | 16:00 | |
| * zus thanks holstein | 16:00 | |
| holstein | good luck zus | 16:00 |
| zus | holstein, thanks' | 16:01 |
| Kentrel | Hey, ever since I updated to lucid I'm having trouble mooting | 16:03 |
| Kentrel | I mean booting | 16:03 |
| Kentrel | I get a screen in low resolution with half of it missing. All I can see are "keys: press s to skip mounting or m to manually something" | 16:04 |
| Kentrel | Then I have to press Ctrl-Alt F1 to go into a console, and type sudo shutdown -r now to restart. Then it works | 16:04 |
| Kentrel | This happens every time. First I get the error. Then I reboot, problem gone | 16:05 |
| zus | i dont know i am on a fresh install only rebooted once since,... but that went rather normal for me | 16:06 |
| zus | then i i just installed the packages from synaptic...since the dvd wasnt working as i had hoped. | 16:06 |
| Kentrel | Do you know much about fstab? | 16:07 |
| zus | no i do not | 16:08 |
| zus | but you are the 2nd person in 24 hours to mention fstab.... | 16:09 |
| holstein | Kentrel: what graphics card/driver are you using? | 20:13 |
| Kentrel | the nvidia proprietary one, latest version | 20:13 |
| holstein | wonder if your getting into some kind of recorvery console or something | 20:14 |
| holstein | Kentrel: did you mess with /etc/fstab ? | 20:14 |
| Kentrel | I did mess with it prior to upgrading to Lucid, but only to get everything working the way I wanted | 20:14 |
| holstein | Kentrel: have you tried commenting out your changes? | 20:15 |
| Kentrel | Everything still works the way I wanted, just now I have that problem every second time I reboot | 20:15 |
| holstein | and booting? | 20:15 |
| Kentrel | no, I didn't think so, since they all worked before. | 20:15 |
| Kentrel | I mean, I didn't think to do it | 20:15 |
| Kentrel | Nothing mounts the first time | 20:16 |
| Kentrel | One the second reboot everything mounts | 20:16 |
| holstein | i think that would be worth troubleshooting | 20:16 |
| Kentrel | Yeah | 20:16 |
| holstein | also | 20:16 |
| Kentrel | You're right. I didn't think about it, since the problem only happened after I upgraded to lucid | 20:16 |
| holstein | getting the exact text from the error | 20:16 |
| holstein | and trying google | 20:16 |
| holstein | and maybe ubuntu-beginners ?? | 20:17 |
| Kentrel | maybe | 20:17 |
| Kentrel | thanks | 20:17 |
| holstein | or your ubuntu loco channel | 20:17 |
| Kentrel | Any idea how I could switch off the GUI booting screen, so I can see all the boot messages? | 20:17 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList | 20:17 |
| holstein | hmmm | 20:18 |
| holstein | Kentrel: take a look at gedit /var/log/boot.log | 20:21 |
| holstein | and let me find a beter answer | 20:22 |
| holstein | better* | 20:22 |
| juanjo | hi, is there any way to UbuntuStudio in live cd | 20:22 |
| juanjo | sorry | 20:22 |
| holstein | Kentrel: im reading pressing escape makes the boot verbose | 20:24 |
| * holstein trying it | 20:25 | |
| Kentrel | okay, good call thanks | 20:25 |
| holstein | yeah | 20:27 |
| holstein | i still got GDM | 20:28 |
| holstein | i wouls start with that fstab | 20:28 |
| holstein | and see if that makes the boot happen normally | 20:28 |
| holstein | and then go from there | 20:28 |
| holstein | hmmm | 20:31 |
| holstein | plymouth-log-viewer | 20:31 |
| holstein | that seems to show me the same as /var/log/boot.log | 20:31 |
| holstein | not exactly all the text im looking for | 20:32 |
| oren | rexbron: i just read a thread on ubuntu forums and u mentioned troy and you are working on video editing stuff on ubuntu. | 20:43 |
| oren | (it was 3 years ago..) | 20:44 |
| oren | any good tool for video editing for ubuntu? | 20:44 |
| holstein | hello oren | 20:44 |
| holstein | what have you tried? | 20:44 |
| * holstein is an audio guy | 20:44 | |
| oren | kdenlive | 20:44 |
| holstein | i suggested avidmeux to a windows user | 20:45 |
| holstein | im trying to convert him to linux ;) | 20:45 |
| oren | i know final cut is the best. is there something professional for linux? | 20:45 |
| oren | someone told me to use avidmeux for cutting my videos, and kdenlive for the rest | 20:46 |
| holstein | have you fired up pitivi yet? | 20:46 |
| oren | yes, i couldn't find a way to add text. | 20:46 |
| oren | is it done with different app? | 20:47 |
| holstein | i just launched it | 20:47 |
| holstein | i do audio | 20:47 |
| holstein | and very little graphics | 20:47 |
| holstein | theres some folk here doing video though | 20:47 |
| oren | i used audacity for recording my audio and than kdenlive to add audio+video | 20:47 |
| holstein | if you can hang out, or check in from time to time | 20:48 |
| oren | holstein: will do that. | 20:49 |
| holstein | theres a #pitivi channel too | 20:51 |
| * holstein taking a nap :) | 20:52 | |
| oren | i read on ubuntu forum that the 2 most professional are blender and kdenlive. anyone here used any of those? | 22:19 |
| Kentrel | I use blender | 22:43 |
| Kentrel | Its incredible | 22:43 |
| Kentrel | But probably not suitable if you just ant to do video editing | 22:43 |
| ScottL | Kentrel, editing videos using blender -> http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blendertuts/ | 22:56 |
| oren | Kentrel: i guess i'll stick to kdenlive? | 22:56 |
| Kentrel | if editing videos is what you want to do mainly then stick to an app thats purpose built to do just that. | 22:57 |
| oren | ok | 22:57 |
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