[00:00] <vlada> tucemiux, what do you use now?
[00:00] <tucemiux> vlada, i just finished installing ubuntu studio 10.04LTS using an ISO, im configuring my laptop rightg now
[00:00] <ScottL> no need to install the headers file manually (i don't think it's necessary actually but i could be wrong), synaptic will do it all
[00:01] <tucemiux> ScottL, i do need the headers actually otherwise some software wont work, like virtualbox, that needs the headers
[00:01] <vlada> tucemiux, what audio card are you using? integrated or you have some external?
[00:02] <tucemiux> vlada, integrated and it works really flaky
[00:02] <ScottL> also keep in mind, the kernel for 10.04 is 2.6.32 i believe, a real time kernel does not exist for the 2.6.32 kernel as igno never made the patch
[00:03] <ScottL> tucemiux, yes, i do believe you need the header files if you are using virtual box
[00:03] <tucemiux> ScottL, how do i install the header files using apt-get??? I have to install a lot of stuff manually, like the software center and the wireless utility gnome
[00:04] <ScottL> you *can* find a -rt kernel in the repositories but it should be the 2.6.31 kernel, which works pretty well, but it is an older kernel and may not support some hardware that 2.6.32 might
[00:04] <vlada> tucemiux, I might be wrong, but with that kind of hardware you might be forced to use -preempt or even -rt kernel :(
[00:04] <ScottL> tucemiux, software center should be installed on lucid 10.04
[00:05] <ScottL> and you can also find network manager to configure networks on the ISO
[00:05] <ScottL> i'll find some documentation, hold on
[00:05] <tucemiux> ScottL, software center is not installed automatically using the ISO
[00:06] <vlada> tucemiux, I'm really not sure you even need it
[00:06] <tucemiux> ScottL, sudo apt-get install software-center network-manager-gnome
[00:06] <vlada> I have never used it personally
[00:06] <tucemiux> vlada, the software center?!? 0_o
[00:06] <vlada> yes
[00:06] <vlada> synaptic is much better
[00:07] <tucemiux> vlada, i use apt-get, sometimes i use synaptic, other times i use software center, basically it's software center, if i cant find what i want i use synaptic -- then once I find out the name of the package I use apt-get afterwards
[00:09] <vlada> tucemiux, well, we have to agree that diversity is good :) I have gentoo background so I really used to use terminal a lot.
[00:09] <vlada> Software center almost never but synaptic regularly.
[00:09] <tucemiux> yup yup
[00:09] <ScottL> hmm, tucemix that is strange because i was sure it was working (software center installed) :/  i'll have to look into that at some point
[00:10] <tucemiux> ScottL, its not installed by default
[00:10] <tucemiux> ScottL, on lucid is not installed by default
[00:11] <ScottL> tucemiux, yes, i thought we had fixed that but apparently not, it will have to be looked at later
[00:12] <ScottL> some people are unable to get their latptop configured for network (perhaps because they don't have a cable and a router to plug into) using gnome-network-admin
[00:13] <tucemiux> that would be awesome, if i find other things i'll let you know, im actually going to install ubuntustudio on virtualmachines and try to exorcise pulse audio until I get it right
[00:13] <ScottL> however, network-manager and network-manager-applet are both on the ISO and can be installed from there without configuring the network
[00:13] <ScottL> of course at which point you should be able to configure your network using network-manager
[00:14] <ScottL> here is the bug with more information about getting around the disabled gnome-network-admin gui  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828
[00:19] <tucemiux> ScottL, thanks, i already found a fix to that one, sort of, i use the gnome wireless app, it works just fine, and once you get the wireless to go up once it'll fire on its own afterwards
[00:19] <tucemiux> im going to go now and finish configuring my distro, ill be back later on tonight, hopefully
[02:32] <ubuntu_> hello.
[02:37] <ubuntu_> when i downloaded the dvd i386 ubuntu studio 10.04 i dont get an option to try before install,...so how do i get to "try" it more importantly how can i use the disc as a repository so  i can go online wirelessly -
[02:38] <ubuntu_> i am on my ubuntu 10.04 live disc right now,...ubuntu studio is already installed
[03:01] <ScottL> ubuntu_,  the ubuntu studio disc is the "alternate" install disc, it does not have a "live disc" option
[03:08] <ubuntu_> ScottL,  i was trying to figure out how i can get connected wireless  to the internet.
[03:09] <ubuntu_> ScottL,  it couldnt configure the network during install and now everything is said and done - i have a firefox icon but no network icon to connect to
[03:10] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: do you have ethernet cable connected?
[03:10] <rlameiro> or just wireless?
[03:10] <ubuntu_> wireless, ethernet is not an option at the moment
[03:11] <rlameiro> well, that its going to be tricky, because you may need to download restricted drivers in order to your wireless card to work
[03:12] <ScottL> rlameiro, i found network-manager on the ISO disc (also network-manager-applet)
[03:13] <ubuntu_> my usb has worked with every distro ive tried. knock wood-  how can i install the  network manager from the iso disc?
[03:13] <rlameiro> ScottL: yes, the disk has it, but the wireless drivers arent always on the disk, because some of them are propietary
[03:13] <ScottL> rlameiro, oh okay
[03:14]  * ScottL doesn't use wireless on ubuntu studio
[03:14] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: you need to add your install dvd as a repository
[03:14] <rlameiro> then go to synaptics and search for network manager
[03:14] <ubuntu_> how do i add the install dvd as a repository?
[03:15] <ubuntu_> i am hoping to be lucky enough to just need to be able to donwload the network manager :)
[03:15] <rlameiro> on sistem ---> administration
[03:16] <rlameiro> there is something like software sources or alike
[03:16] <rlameiro> i have my system in portuguese, so i dont know the english name
[03:17] <rlameiro> then on the second tab (maybe "other software") click on add cd
[03:17] <rlameiro> sometimes it is already activated
[03:18] <rlameiro> sorry, not activated, but already added, you need to select them for the fist tab
[03:18] <rlameiro> on the check box
[03:18] <rlameiro> then go to synaptics update
[03:18] <rlameiro> it will give you a bunch of erros, because you dont have internet
[03:18] <rlameiro> search the package and try to install
[03:20] <ubuntu_> that should give me the network manager though, once i get that i should be ok, mint 9 and kubuntu/ubuntu 10.04 all worked well with my wireless usb
[03:21] <ubuntu_> thank you guys ill be back hopefully from  ym system and not  this live disc..
[03:21] <rlameiro> np
[03:21] <ScottL> good luck ubuntu_
[03:21] <ScottL> rlameiro, how are you doing today?
[03:21] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: one more thing
[03:22] <rlameiro> if it says it failed installing, keep trying
[03:22] <rlameiro> it seems it will install a package at a time, because you dont have internet
[03:22] <rlameiro> i am not sure why that happens thoug
[03:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: I am fine, thank you :D
[03:22] <rlameiro> and you?
[03:23] <ubuntu_>  wow..looks like im in for a long night
[03:23] <rlameiro> I am really happy that you are a ubuntu member :D
[03:23] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: sorry, this edition of ubuntustudio had some network problems
[03:23] <rlameiro> that was out of our hands
[03:23] <rlameiro> someone change some stuff and forgott to tell us :D
[03:24] <ubuntu_> this is my first time using it. even..
[03:24] <rlameiro> but we are trying to fix it
[03:24] <ScottL> oh, thank you rlameiro , i've been working on that for awhile :)
[03:25] <ubuntu_> i know i should get internet, im on a live disc and connected,... most of the day  my freidn was on his laptop as well while ubuntustudio took  1000 hours and its sweet time installling
[03:25] <rlameiro> ScottL: what does that means, beeing a ubuntu member? ehat are you responsabilities and
[03:25] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: Ubuntustudio has a very big footprint
[03:26] <ubuntu_> i chose everything as well,... all the suites
[03:26] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: half of the installing time is due to the fonts.... its the slowest process on the install
[03:26] <rlameiro> there you go
[03:27] <ubuntu_> lol on ubuntu studio having a big foot print.... wait till i get the non studio items i use -
[03:28] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: what do you use?
[03:28] <ScottL> rlameiro, no new responsibilities, mainly prestige and it affords a few "privileges", like voting for council
[03:29] <ubuntu_> i prefer xchat and / pidgin -  kompozer kdenlive
[03:29] <rlameiro> ScottL: humm, push for more ubuntustudio support!!!!
[03:29] <ScottL> rlameiro, i mainly did this so i can send my blog to the planet ubuntu blog aggregate so i can reach more people with ubuntu studio news :)
[03:29] <rlameiro> ScottL: you are a marketing man :D
[03:29] <ScottL> that's really the only "privilege" that i'm interested at this point ;)
[03:29] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: well, that arent big programms
[03:30] <ubuntu_> much better than to "emulate" ubuntu studio by adding everything else
[03:31] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: you know, you can install ubuntu vanila, and then instal the ubuntustudio metapackages
[03:31] <rlameiro> and if you are on 64 bits ubuntu, you can also install the preempt kernel
[03:31] <rlameiro> that way you will not have network issues
[03:33] <ubuntu_> what is the vanilla  just right after the live disc finishes installing?
[03:33] <rlameiro> vanila, is the pure ubuntu
[03:33] <rlameiro> the standard ubuntu if you like it
[03:34] <ubuntu_> what are the packages,..because if this doesnt work i will go with the vanilla install.
[03:34] <rlameiro> humm
[03:35] <rlameiro> ubuntu_: did you used ubuntu before?
[03:35] <rlameiro> if so, you can search for the ubuntustudio packages directly in synaptics
[03:36] <rlameiro> i am asking, because some users dont use synaptics, only the software center, and the packages arent there
[03:36] <ScottL> ubuntu_,   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[03:36] <rlameiro> search for ubuntustudio
[03:36] <rlameiro> they will come up
[03:36] <ScottL> that wiki page will tell you exactly what to install to get all the ubuntu studio functionality
[03:37] <rlameiro> well, better with the command line:D
[03:37] <ubuntu_> i have used ubuntu since karmic. but  have been on kubuntu for most of the time
[03:37] <rlameiro> at least it is faster :D thanks ScottL
[03:37] <ScottL> however, you might avoid the -rt kernel since it will be a regression since the kernel will be 2.6.31-rt
[03:37] <ScottL> lucid currently has the 2.6.32 kernel
[03:38] <ScottL> but i have also found that the 2.6.32 -generic kernel has been very, very good  for recording audio
[03:42] <ubuntu_> thank you all again so very much.
[03:42] <ubuntu_> i have to run  for a few.... but i will try this as soon as i get back....
[03:43] <ScottL> good luck ubuntu_
[03:44] <rlameiro> luck ubuntu_
[03:44] <ubuntu_> thank you, if this works....i should be back on under my normal name...'zus'  nice meeting youse
[03:45] <rlameiro> ScottL: so, if you get in touch with MS, ask him to hire someone for the Studio departement :D
[03:45] <rlameiro> it would be nice to have someone to figure out the audio problems once for all :D
[03:45] <ScottL> rlameiro, MS?
[03:46] <ScottL> oh shuttleworth :D
[03:46] <rlameiro> yeap :D
[03:46] <rlameiro> if he does that, i will donate 100 €
[03:46] <ScottL> i doubt i'll be rubbing elbows with mark shuttleworth, however it would be cool
[03:47] <ScottL> cory was asked to a UDS and the story is that MS is the one who invited him
[03:48] <rlameiro> thats nice :D
[03:48] <ubuntu_> cheers!
[03:49] <rlameiro> really, if one thing i gave it to the guy that spoke at LAC about pulse and jack
[03:49] <rlameiro> there is no real effort on audio in linux, besides on the mobile devices, where is the money now
[03:50] <rlameiro> linux desperately needs to have a unified audio api
[03:50] <ScottL> that would be really, really nice :D
[03:50] <rlameiro> or Maximum 2
[03:50] <rlameiro> jack and PA working nicely on top of ALSA
[03:51] <ScottL> i believe we will get jack/pa working together well if lehnard poettering doesn't add another api any time soon
[03:51] <rlameiro> lol
[03:51] <rlameiro> well, true to be told it didnt happened on windows also
[03:51] <rlameiro> when they wanted good audio, came a company an made it
[03:52] <rlameiro> Steinberg - ~ASIO
[03:52] <ScottL> that's where mac's are nice, one way to do *anything*...of course, it all "just works"
[03:52] <rlameiro> only ones that always had good audio support was apple
[03:52] <ScottL> lol, same thought
[03:52] <rlameiro> they have their problems too
[03:52] <rlameiro> but way more easy to work it ou :D
[03:54] <ScottL> if we don't get answers soon on the gnome-network-admin disabled gui soon, i'm thinking of changing the seeds to network-manager is installed by default
[03:54] <ScottL> if people have trouble with it they can install network-admin after install
[03:56] <rlameiro> ScottL: well, but can we do something? isnt that issue out of our hands?
[03:58] <rlameiro> what i mean is, can we regress the patch? or must it be done for a "higher " rank DEV?
[03:58] <ScottL> we can seed whatever we want, more or less, it's our choice
[03:58] <rlameiro> yes i knoe, but we dont have the power to change network manager
[03:59] <rlameiro> ScottL: i am thinking maybe WICD
[03:59] <rlameiro> it could be a middle soulution
[04:06] <ScottL> sorry, three year old son bloodied his lip
[04:07] <ScottL> rlameiro, i've been contacting one of the people who applied to disable gui patch to gnome-network-admin
[04:07] <ScottL> he says he is really busy lately, but i'll keep bugging him
[04:07] <rlameiro> his you son ok?
[04:08] <ScottL> yes, a little ice in a wash cloth and he's watching Thomas the Train movies in our bed now :)  thank you
[04:08] <ScottL> if the disable gui patch isn't removed then gnome-network-admin is useless
[04:09] <rlameiro> exactly
[04:09] <ScottL> then we should probably use network-manager by default, which falls in line with ubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <rlameiro> in wich case we either can choose WICD or nm-applet
[04:09] <ScottL> if users find they have latency issues with network-manager then we can suggest that they download and install gnome-network-admin
[04:10] <rlameiro> yep, but then thy will have the same problem
[04:10] <ScottL> which they can do since they should have network-manager installed from disc which is functional and allows them to configure network
[04:10] <ScottL> network-manager and gnome-network-admin are two different applications
[04:10] <rlameiro> exactly
[04:11] <rlameiro> gnome network admin will bring again the same problem, if they install it
[04:11] <ScottL> oh, gotcha, but they can configure their network connection with network-manager i believe
[04:11] <ScottL> and then use network-admin
[04:11] <ScottL> i think
[04:12] <rlameiro> well, with wireless isnt that simple
[04:12] <rlameiro> with wired yes
[04:12] <ScottL> ah
[04:12] <rlameiro> AFAIK Wicd seems to me a more mature app
[04:13] <ScottL> well, i'll keep knocking on the dev for network-admin and there is Wicd also as you say
[04:13] <rlameiro> before nm-applet, wicd was my salvation for the pain in the ass WIFI configuration
[04:13] <rlameiro> also, wicd could be less intrusive than network manager
[04:19] <ScottL> i guess people do not look to see what launchpad tells them might be a duplicate bug when they file them :/
[04:20] <rlameiro> i just marked one duplicate now
[04:20] <rlameiro> 10 minutes ago..
[04:44] <ScottL> yeah, that's what i was talking about,\
[05:21] <holstein> ScottL: i dont know much about traverso
[05:21] <holstein> i see its in the repos
[05:21]  * holstein is apt-getting it
[05:24] <holstein> hmmmm
[05:24] <holstein> not starting for me yet
[05:25] <holstein> i'll play with it a bit
[08:49] <john__> hi I'm having resolution issues using the newest version of Ubuntu Studio
[08:49] <john__> everytime I log in it resets to an auto mode which is way too big of a resolution, where I can't see the top left corner where my menu button is located
[08:50] <john__> can anyone help me?
[08:59] <john__> anyone on?
[15:52] <zus> i just freshly installed ubuntu 10.04, and then in synaptic package manager, searched "ubuntu studio" and clicked all the options (except for u-splash. that didnt want to be clicked) then do i still need to do the repositories and what not?
[15:53] <holstein> zus: that should do it
[15:55] <zus> so i dont need to run the repositories then?
[15:56] <holstein> hmmmm
[15:56] <holstein> zus: im not sure what you mean by that
[15:56] <holstein> you dont need to add any additional repositories
[15:56] <holstein> you'll have to install the packages from the ubuntu repositories
[15:56] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList
[15:57] <holstein> heres a packages list
[15:57] <holstein> usplash is in the meta-package ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:58] <zus> the dvd just wasnt working right for me, i got the networkmanager but i never was abled to get the icon in the panel not get on line....
[15:58] <holstein> ubuntustudio-desktop is the package that changes the look and feel
[15:58] <holstein> zus: too bad
[15:59] <holstein> hopefully this works better for you :)
[15:59] <zus> agree... i kinda wanted to try on it's own,..if that made anysense... i think it's exactly what i needed now that im looking through it
[16:00]  * holstein gotta run out the door
[16:00]  * zus thanks holstein 
[16:00] <holstein> good luck zus
[16:01] <zus> holstein,  thanks'
[16:03] <Kentrel> Hey, ever since I updated to lucid I'm having trouble mooting
[16:03] <Kentrel> I mean booting
[16:04] <Kentrel> I get a screen in low resolution with half of it missing. All I can see are "keys: press s to skip mounting or m to manually something"
[16:04] <Kentrel> Then I have to press Ctrl-Alt F1 to go into a console, and type sudo shutdown -r now to restart. Then it works
[16:05] <Kentrel> This happens every time. First I get the error. Then I reboot, problem gone
[16:06] <zus> i dont know i am on a fresh install  only rebooted once since,... but that went rather normal for me
[16:06] <zus> then i  i just installed the packages from synaptic...since the dvd wasnt working as i had hoped.
[16:07] <Kentrel> Do you know much about fstab?
[16:08] <zus> no i do not
[16:09] <zus> but you are the 2nd person in 24 hours to mention fstab....
[20:13] <holstein> Kentrel: what graphics card/driver are you using?
[20:13] <Kentrel> the nvidia proprietary one, latest version
[20:14] <holstein> wonder if your getting into some kind of recorvery console or something
[20:14] <holstein> Kentrel: did you mess with /etc/fstab ?
[20:14] <Kentrel> I did mess with it prior to upgrading to Lucid, but only to get everything working the way I wanted
[20:15] <holstein> Kentrel: have you tried commenting out your changes?
[20:15] <Kentrel> Everything still works the way I wanted, just now I have that problem every second time I reboot
[20:15] <holstein> and booting?
[20:15] <Kentrel> no, I didn't think so, since they all worked before.
[20:15] <Kentrel> I mean, I didn't think to do it
[20:16] <Kentrel> Nothing mounts the first time
[20:16] <Kentrel> One the second reboot everything mounts
[20:16] <holstein> i think that would be worth troubleshooting
[20:16] <Kentrel> Yeah
[20:16] <holstein> also
[20:16] <Kentrel> You're right. I didn't think about it, since the problem only happened after I upgraded to lucid
[20:16] <holstein> getting the exact text from the error
[20:16] <holstein> and trying google
[20:17] <holstein> and maybe ubuntu-beginners ??
[20:17] <Kentrel> maybe
[20:17] <Kentrel> thanks
[20:17] <holstein> or your ubuntu loco channel
[20:17] <Kentrel> Any idea how I could switch off the GUI booting screen, so I can see all the boot messages?
[20:17] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[20:18] <holstein> hmmm
[20:21] <holstein> Kentrel: take a look at gedit /var/log/boot.log
[20:22] <holstein> and let me find a beter answer
[20:22] <holstein> better*
[20:22] <juanjo> hi, is there any way to UbuntuStudio in live cd
[20:22] <juanjo> sorry
[20:24] <holstein> Kentrel: im reading pressing escape makes the boot verbose
[20:25]  * holstein trying it
[20:25] <Kentrel> okay, good call thanks
[20:27] <holstein> yeah
[20:28] <holstein> i still got GDM
[20:28] <holstein> i wouls start with that fstab
[20:28] <holstein> and see if that makes the boot happen normally
[20:28] <holstein> and then go from there
[20:31] <holstein> hmmm
[20:31] <holstein> plymouth-log-viewer
[20:31] <holstein> that seems to show me the same as /var/log/boot.log
[20:32] <holstein> not exactly all the text im looking for
[20:43] <oren> rexbron: i just read a thread on ubuntu forums and u mentioned troy and you are working on video editing stuff on ubuntu.
[20:44] <oren> (it was 3 years ago..)
[20:44] <oren> any good tool for video editing for ubuntu?
[20:44] <holstein> hello oren
[20:44] <holstein> what have you tried?
[20:44]  * holstein is an audio guy
[20:44] <oren> kdenlive
[20:45] <holstein> i suggested avidmeux to a windows user
[20:45] <holstein> im trying to convert him to linux ;)
[20:45] <oren> i know final cut is the best. is there something professional for linux?
[20:46] <oren> someone told me to use avidmeux for cutting my videos, and kdenlive for the rest
[20:46] <holstein> have you fired up pitivi yet?
[20:46] <oren> yes, i couldn't find a way to add text.
[20:47] <oren> is it done with different app?
[20:47] <holstein> i just launched it
[20:47] <holstein> i do audio
[20:47] <holstein> and very little graphics
[20:47] <holstein> theres some folk here doing video though
[20:47] <oren> i used audacity for recording my audio and than kdenlive to add audio+video
[20:48] <holstein> if you can hang out, or check in from time to time
[20:49] <oren> holstein: will do that.
[20:51] <holstein> theres a #pitivi channel too
[20:52]  * holstein taking a nap :)
[22:19] <oren> i read on ubuntu forum that the 2 most professional are blender and kdenlive. anyone here used any of those?
[22:43] <Kentrel> I use blender
[22:43] <Kentrel> Its incredible
[22:43] <Kentrel> But probably not suitable if you just ant to do video editing
[22:56] <ScottL> Kentrel, editing videos using blender -> http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blendertuts/
[22:56] <oren> Kentrel: i guess i'll stick to kdenlive?
[22:57] <Kentrel> if editing videos is what you want to do mainly then stick to an app thats purpose built to do just that.
[22:57] <oren> ok