[02:44] <lex79> ScottK: can you look at libpoppler6 ? It's in Universe, it should be in main since libpoppler-qt4-dev depends on it and we need libpoppler-qt4-dev to build kdegraphics..
[02:46] <lex79> maybe also libpoppler-glib5
[02:50] <ScottK> lex79: Looks like it was accepted into Universe just by mistake.  We'd need Riddell or some other archive admin with shell access to fix it.
[02:50] <lex79> ok thanks
[07:10] <ScottK> Riddell: There are some kubuntu-meta binaries in New for kubuntu-mobile.  Over to you.
[12:28] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted, although do we have any indication that plasma mobile is going to get in?
[12:49] <claydoh> anyone notice this kpackagekit bug 586497 ?
[12:50] <claydoh> oops wrong one bug 595595
[13:06] <Riddell> claydoh: well yes we have, you can tell because ScottK has commented and I made a patch :)
[14:04] <Quintasan> \o
[14:26] <claydoh> Riddell: no, the second bug I listed, the security-updates one seems to be working properly I think :)
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: apachelogger and I have reviewed plamsa-mobile.  We're done to the nit picking stage.  It should be ready for upload soon.
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The bigger question is I didn't figure out how to get one metapackage using Universe when the others don't.  It appears it will require a fair amount of change in Germinate or I entirely misunderstood the code.
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, might be easier to just have a different source package for the mobile meta package then
[14:47] <Riddell> what did unr do when it was in universe?
[14:48] <ScottK> They had a completely different seed.
[14:48] <ScottK> They still do.
[14:48] <ScottK> I did look into a different package.
[14:49] <ScottK> The problem there is if you have a kubuntu-mobile-meta, the resulting metapackage is kubuntu-mobile-mobile.
[14:49] <ScottK> This behavior is also pretty hard coded into Germinate.
[14:50] <ScottK> I think I'll end up redoing Germinate, just not last night.
[14:51] <ScottK> I also need to talk to cjwatson about it.
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: If needed we could hack our way through it by running ./update twice with different update.cfg files and editing metapackage-map by hand.
[15:08] <ScottK> I'd rather avoid that though.
[15:12]  * apachelogger imagines a script doing that ^^
[15:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: I already ACK'd current plasma-mobile, you just need to give your stamp of approval and upload.
[15:13] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.
[15:14]  * ScottK looks
[15:14] <ScottK> and yes, I imagine a script doing that too.
[15:26] <ScottK> Riddell: The chances of plasma-mobile getting in now depend entirely on the willingness of a kind archive-admin to let it in.
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for reviewing.
[15:55] <shadeslayer_> \o
[17:24] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: poke poke :)
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: suggested bug for 10.10 ... depends on the space we have on the CD .... bug 568993
[17:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: also a side note about the new site,shouldnt we be using the new KDE wallpaper? and shouldnt we show devices that are running kubuntu like ubuntu.com does ?
[17:47]  * jussi cant imagine us having spare cd space.
[17:50] <jussi> Mind I had a thought - perhaps it could be good to have a nice "recommended installs" list, with simple easy way to action it - perhaps when kpackagekit starts up. 
[17:54] <shadeslayer_> jussi: something like apt-url?
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> we can provide it on the site..
[17:55] <jussi> !info apt-url
[17:55] <jussi> ?
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> Something on the downloads page...
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> jussi: ubottu is borked :P
[17:55] <jussi> !info apturl
[17:55] <jussi> nope, she isnt :P
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> !info apturl-kde
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> hehe :)
[18:03]  * jussi sighs at chrome not realising there is a VLC plugin and so not playing wmv content that works in firefox :(
[18:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: we don't have space on the CD for more apps
[18:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: site feedback to ofir
[19:02]  * lex79 notes they bumped again libmarblewidget, to 0.11.0
[19:02] <lex79> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1133868
[19:02] <lex79> lol
[19:56]  * ScottK hints harder at Riddell over plasma-mobile in New.
[20:14] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: also the 3 MIR's
[20:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: He can't approve the MIRs.
[20:19] <shadeslayer_> Really?
[20:20] <ScottK> No, there's a separate MIR approval team that does security reviews and stuff.  Once they approve it, he can promote the packages.
[20:22] <shadeslayer_> ah ok...
[20:22]  * shadeslayer_ will have to wait then :)
[20:27] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: are you free for a bit?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> yay, agateau fixed quickaccess: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4416/diff/
[20:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Depends.  I'm here, but doing different things.
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> w00t
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: ok can you file a MIR against libsrtp0 ? its a build dep of libortp8 ... i dunno how i missed it
[20:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: MIR writing takes more focus than I can afford at the moment.
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> oh ok
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> well i can only do it after 3 days...
[20:29] <mfraz74> is anyone in here using kompare?
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> so anyone willing to take this up :)
[20:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140475 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) - API sanity for setReinstall - Remove the short description from the long description.
[21:00] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140479 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Held packages should be counted as upgradeable.
[21:46] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: great, I really missed it :)
[22:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: space is really the main reason for not having it kpartmanager on the CD, and also the main reason I do not think we should put it on it
[22:02] <apachelogger> any space that we have left for translations is good space
[22:02] <apachelogger> there is no need of trying to meet a usecase that is only valid for like 10% of the users if we can provide translations and hence increase the actual amount of users by having better/more localization
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> filters mockup: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplk1493-jpg.jpg
[22:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: building up on my genereal dislike for the kde sidebars ... that seems like an awful waste of space ;)
[22:06] <apachelogger> if this was an ad you would have to stick a couple of "discount" "special" or  "new" stickers onto the whiteness :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: otherwise <3
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> I could make it like the kate and amarok sideways-text sidebars, that only expand once clicked :D
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> (j/k)
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> sideways text == O.o
[22:07] <apachelogger> well
[22:07] <apachelogger> I aint not have a clue
[22:08] <apachelogger> from where I stand sidebars are a UI design fail anyway, I doubt most users realize what the thing is there for and just ignore it
[22:08] <apachelogger> well, unless it is painfully obvious that it is part of the UI at large anyway
[22:09] <apachelogger> like say a category view thingy
[22:09] <apachelogger> so I dont know what to do to make sidebar thingies more useful and would generally try to avoid them ;)
[22:09] <apachelogger> <- not much help
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: on a related note though ... I was wondering why the choose an action thingy is a dropdown even though there are vast amounts of space next ot it
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> you think separate pushbuttons for the available actions would be better?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be a bit more obvious that way, instead of that custom combobox hax
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> (not really a combobox, but acts like one)
[22:12] <apachelogger> I do think so, yes
[22:12] <apachelogger> of course only available options
[22:13] <apachelogger> and maybe remove/delete/uninstall spaced to the right hand side as to make it visually different
[22:13] <apachelogger> or maybe the other way round, remove to the left hand side and everything else to the right
[22:13] <apachelogger> after all the review changes button is also right
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> For uninstalled packages you could have a simple single "install" button that changes to "cancel" when clicked
[22:14] <apachelogger> so assuming a regular mouse movement one would be led to believe that the dear user moves from the package view to an action button that is not remove and then either goes up to the view again or clicks review
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Then for installed packages, you could have a dropdown box for all the different remove actions (remove purge)
[22:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, though I was thinking about packages that are already installed
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> and then an upgrade button, if upgradeable
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> etc, etc
[22:15] <apachelogger> aighto
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> Maybe the strings should be "Mark for $ACTION" so the user doesn't think it'll happen right away?
[22:16] <apachelogger> OTOH that is a very long string for a button
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> If you were writing an app-center thing, I could see the benefit in going the ubuntu store way and have the button actually do the install
[22:16] <apachelogger> also consider that translations of that might be cosniderable longer in other languages
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Maybe we could have a single label on the leftmost part of the window that says "Mark for:" <button> <button>
[22:17]  * apachelogger imagines that to look weird since the buttons would then sort of become part of a text line *shrug*
[22:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think KDE HIG would suggest to put that in a groupbox or something instead
[22:18] <apachelogger> then again that sort of disturbes the layout in this case
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> layouting for that tab was a bitch. I had to break down and use a .ui file for that since the c++ necessary was hurting my brain
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> designer wasn't much better, though :(
[22:19] <apachelogger> this will all change with QML!
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> but I am proud to say that that is the only usage of .ui in the entire app
[22:19] <apachelogger> then our few designers can do UIs day and night and day and night ^^
[22:19] <apachelogger> oh
[22:19] <apachelogger> btw
[22:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Filter: in the sidebar is disaligned
[22:20] <apachelogger> also it sort of fights with the menu bar for the user's attention I suppose
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm gonna put a sidebar under the menu
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> a toolbar
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> with common actions like "upgrade" "check for updates" etc
[22:20] <apachelogger> we have text on the toolbars :P
[22:21] <apachelogger> also it will still be disaligned
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> It should be aligned, since it's a vertical layout. It's just that that toolbox under it is chunky
[22:21] <apachelogger> ui design is a leaf butterfly
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> dunno how to fix
[22:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, the combination of menubar being indented and toolbox being indented makes the filter by look way off
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> true dat
[22:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you should CSS theme the box ^^
[22:22] <apachelogger> make it less ugly
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I could get rid of that label
[22:23]  * apachelogger imagines a software center clony to use CSS theming or QML (which sort of implies that anyway ;))
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> then make the section lables of the toolbox "Category filters"
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> "Status Filters"
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh
[22:23] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[22:23] <apachelogger> maybe you sould box it
[22:23] <apachelogger> the view appears as sort of boxed
[22:24] <apachelogger> and the package tab stuff also appears boxed
[22:24] <apachelogger> but the filter stuff somehow sticks out since it is not boxed
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> I could use a dockwidget (but not provide buttons to unattach or remove it. that's just silly)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> I'm afraid of getting so many boxes that it ends up looking like this: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopkj1493-jpg.jpg
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> but a single frame around the filter stuff wouldn't be "too much", I think
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> It's just that when you put the tabwidget for packagedetails (already a box) into another box, that you get box overload
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> all hail the boxes!
[22:29] <apachelogger> well
[22:29] <apachelogger> try it :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> boxes ftw!
[22:29] <apachelogger> we are like gnome with their tabs :P
[22:30] <apachelogger> eitherway taht whole sidebar widget craps needs serious rethinkering
[22:30] <apachelogger> from a purely artistic POV it is a bit of the pukeworthy kind
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2009/09/17/qt-stylesheets-button-bar-tutorial/
[22:31] <apachelogger> stylesheets are the answer
[22:31] <apachelogger> I tell you
[22:32] <apachelogger> that entirely reminds me of
[22:32] <apachelogger> ...
[22:32] <apachelogger> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos
[22:32] <apachelogger> all hail the CSS&SVG!
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> QToolBox looks bad in all styles v.v
[22:45] <ScottK> Riddell: plasma-mobile is in binary New now (thanks for the source New, I assume it was you).
[22:56] <Riddell> looking
[22:57] <Riddell> voila
[23:00] <ScottK> Excellent.
[23:00] <ScottK> Time to fiddle the seeds then.