[00:09] <DarkNemisis> paste.ubuntu.com/452227
[00:09] <DarkNemisis> duanedesign,
[00:21] <duanedesign> DarkNemisis: might see if you have all these.     sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse  gstreamer0.10-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0
[00:27] <DarkNemisis> yeah i had thouse already
[00:35] <duanedesign> DarkNemisis: THe only other thing i can think of is to let it rebuild this file.  mv ~/.gstreamer-0.10 ~/.gstreamer-0.10.bak
[00:36] <duanedesign> after the mv command try and play it again with: totem http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx
[00:37] <zkriesse> DarkNemisis: did you do the terminal command?
[00:37] <zkriesse> and heya's duanedesign
[00:38] <duanedesign> zkriesse: can you play http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx
[00:38] <zkriesse> Lovely British guys
[00:38] <zkriesse> Yup I can listen
[00:38] <zkriesse> Cool visualization
[00:39] <zkriesse> I take it that DarkNemisis can not?
[00:40] <DarkNemisis> zkriesse, one sec
[00:41] <duanedesign> zkriesse: right
[00:41] <zkriesse> duanedesign: hmm
[00:41] <duanedesign> http://paste.ubuntu.com/452227/
[00:41] <duanedesign> error ^^
[00:42] <zkriesse> ok that's weird
[00:42] <zkriesse> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
[00:42] <zkriesse> DarkNemisis: ^^
[00:42] <DarkNemisis> and yet i got everything i need installed
[00:45] <DarkNemisis> 452238
[00:46] <DarkNemisis> thats the paste.ubuntu number
[00:59] <zkriesse> hey ddecator
[00:59] <duanedesign> 'lo ddecator
[01:04] <pedro3005> hey ddecator
[01:09] <DarkNemisis> I've been engaged quite a few times, but never had the heart to get married. There's been quite a few near Mrs.
[01:12] <pedro3005> talk about out of topic, huh
[01:12] <zkriesse> pedro3005: Oh hush
[01:13] <pedro3005> just pointing it out :p
[01:13] <pedro3005> he did bring that up out of nowhere
[01:14] <belal1> Is there any gmail notifier for ubuntu that works with the mail/chat menu ?
[01:15] <DarkNemisis> pedro3005, my vagina disagrees
[01:16] <belal1> well HELLO DarkNemisis :D
[01:16] <belal1> j/k
[01:16] <DarkNemisis> aww and heres me thinking being a feminist was worth it..... lol
[01:16] <zkriesse> DarkNemisis: hello switchgirl
[01:17] <zkriesse> belal1: Well there should be
[01:17] <belal1> I hate keeping evolution open all the time.  And it's kinda slow to be honest....
[01:18] <belal1> gmail (web-based) is a heck of a lot faster...
[01:18] <zkriesse> belal1: Aye
[01:18] <belal1> Yes?
[01:18] <DarkNemisis> belal1, i found a to solve that
[01:19] <DarkNemisis> type this command sudo aptitude purge evolution
[01:19] <belal1> lol
[01:19] <DarkNemisis> it solves both speed and the issue of eeping it open all the time
[01:20] <belal1> your right....
[01:20] <belal1> i should just take it out altogether...
[01:20] <belal1> brb
[01:20] <belal1> alright, it's removing...
[01:53] <belal1> so darki
[01:53] <belal1> a/s/l
[01:53] <belal1> ;-)
[01:53] <belal1> oh sorry, wrong window
[01:54] <pedro3005> lol fai
[01:54] <pedro3005> fail
[01:54] <pedro3005> damn it
[01:54] <pedro3005> I faled
[01:54] <pedro3005> er
[01:54] <pedro3005> failed
[01:54]  * pedro3005 cries in a corner
[01:55] <ddecator> ok...i think i'm good now...sorry if i spammed the channel (not sure how many times i joined :p)
[04:37] <frank1_> anyone have a linksys router and a ps3?
[05:08] <robbmunson> 'lo my fellow bit crunchers!
[05:09] <pedro3005> hey
[05:09] <robbmunson> been a while =)
[05:10] <pedro3005> sure has
[05:13] <robbmunson> wow, as long as its been, I still know every command to ubottu....thats just....sad
[05:15] <pedro3005> :)
[05:20] <zkriesse> robbmunson: haha
[05:22] <robbmunson> im making mountains out of mole hills for making scenarios for an AV install in Ubuntu
[05:22] <robbmunson> haha
[05:22] <robbmunson> nice one #ubuntu, thats one I havent heard in a while ;)
[05:29] <robbmunson> I am headed out, good night/morning to all!
[08:04] <hobgoblin> anyone about?
[08:07] <holstein> whats up?
[08:09] <hobgoblin> hi there - lost right click menu somewhere - but not completely - right click on the desktop works - right click on the menu used to give option to add to desktop or panel etc - now it just starts whatever is highlighted
[08:09] <hobgoblin> any ideas?
[08:10] <holstein> thats a good one
[08:10] <holstein> hmmm
[08:13] <hobgoblin> yea that was my opinion as well lol
[08:13] <holstein> hobgoblin: doestn work with any launcher right?
[08:13] <hobgoblin> nope
[08:13] <hobgoblin> not found anything on the net about it as yet
[08:13] <holstein> did you change anything in gconf-editor?
[08:14] <hobgoblin> nope
[08:14] <hobgoblin> I've not changed anything that could be associated with it :(
[08:14] <hobgoblin> it just fails now
[08:16] <hobgoblin> got it :)
[08:17] <hobgoblin> locking the panels stops the right click menu working it seems
[08:18] <hobgoblin> holstein: though I have no idea why they would be associated
[08:19] <holstein> well, throw out a couple of the 'greatest-hits' of whate you have changed
[08:19] <holstein> while i look a bit more
[08:19] <holstein> ;)
[08:19] <hobgoblin> holstein: I got it now ^^
[08:21] <holstein> you got it sorted out?
[08:22] <hobgoblin> yes - 7 lines up :)
[08:23] <holstein> doh
[08:23] <holstein> hobgoblin: ;)
[08:23] <holstein> i was over in google pretty hard and didnt notice
[08:24] <holstein> im noticing how late it is though
[08:24] <hobgoblin> :) thanks for looking anyway - my google-fu is still asleep
[08:24] <holstein> makes sense
[08:24] <hobgoblin> holstein: night time for you is it? it's a bright and breezy morning here
[08:24] <holstein> if the panel is locked
[08:24] <holstein> you dont want a launcher getting added to it
[08:25] <holstein> hobgoblin: yup, its 3 in the morning
[08:25] <hobgoblin> never noticed that before - that said I rarely play with the panels once I have them set up
[08:25] <hobgoblin> holstein: I was snoring at 3am ;)
[08:26] <holstein> well, im going to go and start working on my snoring now
[08:26] <holstein> GN
[08:26] <hobgoblin> thanks for the help anyway - and goodnight to you :)
[19:48] <zkriesse> hey switchgirl
[19:48] <zkriesse> DarkNemesis: I'd auto identify as that nick
[19:49] <DarkNemesis> :)
[19:49] <DarkNemesis> i know but on an eeepc thats harder than it sounds
[19:50] <zkriesse> DarkNemesis: what chat program you using?
[19:52] <DarkNemesis> xhatgnome
[19:52] <DarkNemesis> there is probs a command i can do but havent worked it out
[19:53] <zkriesse> DarkNemesis: Ok do you have the XChat menu button?
[19:53] <DarkNemesis> yeah
[19:54] <zkriesse> CLick that and go to the network list
[19:54] <zkriesse> You there?
[19:55] <DarkNemesis> zkriesse, cant as the network list is too big for the screen
[19:55] <zkriesse> oh man
[19:55] <DarkNemesis> i know how to do it
[19:55] <zkriesse> ok
[19:55] <zkriesse> That really sucks
[19:56] <DarkNemesis> just the screens too big and when i connect it to an external monitor the resoution settings that i could set it to (the options) wont allow for me to alter it to work with that screen
[19:56] <zkriesse> Hmm
[19:56] <zkriesse> Odd
[19:58] <DarkNemesis> ubuntu web book remix... for allyour stresses and  strains
[19:58] <zkriesse> lol
[20:04] <zkriesse> hello goodtime
[20:04] <smeag0l> hello everybody
[20:05] <zkriesse> hey smeag0l
[20:05] <goodtime> hello
[20:05] <goodtime> hows things
[20:05] <DarkNemesis> bring on the boogy?
[20:05] <zkriesse> lol
[20:05] <smeag0l> very good
[20:06] <goodtime> i got a extramonitor to work
[20:06] <goodtime> i got a extra monitor to work *
[20:06] <goodtime> it pretty cool
[20:07] <goodtime> took me a hour to figure it out
[20:07] <goodtime> i messed up someones ipod
[20:08] <goodtime> i deleted somehow all his music
[20:08] <goodtime> 6000 songs
[20:08] <goodtime> some of my music also goone
[20:08] <goodtime> so i gues i hacked myself good lol
[20:09] <goodtime> i just didnt know what to do
[20:09] <DarkNemesis> goodtime, well done :) you suppored ubuntu -0 he shall have to go buy 6000 songs from the ubuntu music store
[20:10] <goodtime> lol
[20:10] <goodtime> yeah i just wanted to help someone out
[20:11] <DarkNemesis> goodtime, relax bring on the boogy
[20:12] <goodtime> DarkNemesis: idk what the boogy is
[20:14] <DarkNemesis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUhSIoEQtSY
[20:17] <DarkNemesis> goodtime?
[20:17] <DarkNemesis> perhaps cus you have no music
[20:19] <DarkNemesis> hmm blame it on the boogie hay goodtime?
[20:20] <goodtime> idk
[20:20] <goodtime> im to blame i guess
[20:21] <goodtime> i just have no ipod and nor do i understand how to copy files on them lol
[20:22] <goodtime> i was useing rythem box
[20:22] <goodtime> and i was lost
[20:25] <zkriesse> goodtime: Stick a disk in and rip it to your music folder
[20:25] <zkriesse> that equals...music on pc
[20:30] <goodtime> ok
[20:30] <goodtime> i got a new 4.8 dvd disk
[20:30] <goodtime> itds in
[20:31] <goodtime> its*
[20:32] <goodtime> i got music
[20:32] <goodtime> ill get more too
[20:35] <goodtime> im backing up the music i have now
[20:40] <zkriesse> WHOOO!!!
[21:35] <MindOS_> Need help re-installing Firefox... Anyone?
[21:36] <stlsaint> MindOS_: sup
[21:37] <stlsaint> MindOS_: you need to re-install it...make sure you back up your current profile so you can keep bookmarks and such...then just either use synaptic or terminal commands for it
[21:39] <MindOS_> stlsaint: I havent updated Ubuntu 9.04 since months, not having any other problem though, except Firefox, which keeps crashing every minute or so. I have backed up the bookmarks etc. What next?
[21:41] <MindOS_> stlsaint, see it crashed again...
[21:41] <stlsaint> MindOS_: your using irc via firefox?
[21:42] <MindOS_> stlsaint, yeah
[21:42] <geirha> reinstalling a package rarely fixes anything...
[21:42] <stlsaint> MindOS_: i suggest using an actual irc client jfyi
[21:42] <Danawar1> sudo apt-get purge firefox > sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:42] <geirha> I'd try moving away the profile and let firefox create a new profile
[21:43] <stlsaint> MindOS_: so just go to synaptc package manager and search for firefox and select to reinstall it
[21:43] <geirha> If you're not using any other mozilla apps; quit firefox, mv ~/.mozilla{,.backup}; start firefox again
[21:44] <ddecator> or you can just create a new profile
[21:44] <ddecator> firefox -P
[21:44] <ddecator> (when all instances of firefox are closed)
[21:45] <stlsaint> PEOPLE!!! We really appreciate the responese but lets not overwhelm the user.
[21:45] <stlsaint> Keep it simple for the user
[21:45] <ddecator> haha, sorry, i just saw something about using a new profile and thought i'd give the command we ask users to use when they file firefox bugs :p
[21:45] <MindOS_> stlsaint, synaptic package manager also needs an repository update from through sudo apt-get update...or it wont work...right?
[21:46] <stlsaint> MindOS_: yea sudo apt-get update will work for you...it will probably be awhile for updates
[21:47] <MindOS_> stlsaint, I am on very limited bandwidth, haven't updated it since months and its showing errors as well.
[21:47] <stlsaint> MindOS_: what errors
[21:47] <ddecator> (also, just re-installing FF shouldn't remove your profile)
[21:48] <MindOS_> stlsaint, wait a sec, I'll post it
[21:48] <stlsaint> +1 ^^...though a backup wouldnt hurt
[21:48] <stlsaint> MindOS_: do not post here
[21:48] <stlsaint> MindOS_: use pastebin
[21:48] <ddecator> true
[21:49] <MindOS_> stlsaint, http://pastebin.ca/1887280
[21:50] <stlsaint> MindOS_: you running cairo dock?
[21:50] <geirha> You're missing the gpg key for repository.cairo-dock.org
[21:50] <MindOS_> no, but i have it installed...
[21:50] <stlsaint> MindOS_: your trying to update from their repos but either their down or your connection reaching
[21:50] <MindOS_> stlsaint, how about removing it from the system, I don't need it..
[21:50] <stlsaint> geirha: that shouldnt hinder updates from happening
[21:51] <stlsaint> MindOS_: i dont cairo so i dont know the package name of it but if you remove that repo entry from your sources.list and purge cairo that will solve the cairo key/server error
[21:51] <geirha> stlsaint: No, it'll just show annoying errors everytime one does.
[21:52] <stlsaint> geirha: very true and very annoying
[21:52] <geirha> «The domain name cairo-dock.org has unfortunately changed ! Now, you can find the website, wiki, forum, repository, doc, etc. on glx-dock.org»
[21:52] <geirha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock
[21:53] <stlsaint> MindOS_: so you have an option of either updating your sources.list to glx-dock.org or completely removing cairo
[21:53] <MindOS_> stlsaint, I would like to completely remove it..
[21:53] <geirha> removing the cairo repository, you don't need to remove the package.
[21:54] <stlsaint> geirha: there has to be something installed....
[21:54] <stlsaint> MindOS_: first step is to remove that cairo sources.list entry
[21:54] <geirha> Either way you'll have to edit sources.list and either remove or edit a line or two
[21:54] <geirha> stlsaint: Yes, but you don't need the repository once it's installed ... you just won't get any updates for it.
[21:55] <MindOS_> geirha, how to go around doing that task!?
[21:55] <stlsaint> geirha: right, thats why i said remove the sources.list then remove the package that was installed....
[21:55] <stlsaint> MindOS_: open a terminal...
[21:55] <geirha> MindOS_: The easiest way is to use software sources. System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[21:55] <MindOS_> girha, I have opened software sources..
[21:56] <stlsaint> MindOS_: type: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:56] <geirha> Go to the third party tab
[21:56] <stlsaint> LOL...or use the gui...very true!!
[21:56] <stlsaint> geirha: ;)
[21:56] <geirha> Locate the cairo-dock line
[21:56] <geirha> And either deselct it, or edit it and change cairo-dock.org to glx-dock.org
[21:57] <ddecator> stlsaint: always go with the gui by default in support channels :p
[21:57] <stlsaint> geirha: he wants to remove the entry
[21:57] <stlsaint> ddecator: meh, most instances true...some its faster for cli
[21:57] <MindOS_> geirha: OK...then I need to uncheck the box for cairo..right?
[21:57] <stlsaint> ddecator: plus im multitasking :D
[21:58] <ddecator> stlsaint: faster definitely, but sometimes i mention commands and it throws people off haha. i just offer the gui until i know if they're familiar enough with cli :)
[21:58] <geirha> MindOS_: Yes.
[21:58] <MindOS_> geirha: ;), then?
[21:58] <ddecator> stlsaint: haha, i was doing that last night :p
[21:59] <geirha> MindOS_: The close button in the lower right :)
[22:01] <MindOS_> geirha: it asked for a Reload.. and I clicked it...was it right?
[22:01] <geirha> MindOS_: Yes, that's equivalent to an «apt-get update»
[22:02] <MindOS_> geirha: Update Manager has started... asking for an update sized 233 MB ...I am on limited bandwidth..
[22:02] <MindOS_> geirha: But I surely need to sort out Firefox
[22:03] <geirha> There are ways to download the updates on a different machine (one with better bandwidth), and bring them to your computer via a memory stick or cd
[22:04] <MindOS_> geirha: You are right , but is it a pre-requisite for sorting out the Firefox matter?
[22:04] <geirha> Yeah, I'm not convinced reinstalling firefox will do any good. It's typically a plugin or addon that makes it crash.
[22:05] <geirha> Have you tried disabling all addons?
[22:05] <MindOS_> geirha: Yeah, I have tried that as well
[22:06] <MindOS_> How about Opera for Linux compared to Firefox?
[22:07] <geirha> Haven't tried opera for linux for ages, but I hear it works well.
[22:07] <MindOS_> geirha: ANy other way of installing it instead of downloading it from their website?
[22:08] <geirha> I'm afraid you can't make it magically appear on disk without the package.
[22:14] <stlsaint> bah, go chromium/chrome
[22:27] <revolverXD> hello
[22:27] <revolverXD> might i ask for help regarding lucid lynx?
[22:28] <geirha> You may.
[22:29] <revolverXD> i had a freak chain of accidents recently :\ first ubuntu stoped connecting to the net then i discoverd the network manager dosent work at all and by following the advice of some site i purged my gnome desktop and now i stare at the command line with no idea how to restore what i did
[22:30] <geirha> Ok, have you logged in on the command-line?
[22:30] <revolverXD> yep
[22:30] <geirha> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[22:30] <revolverXD> ah you mean to the net ?
[22:30] <revolverXD> then no
[22:31] <revolverXD> that exactly the problem i dont have an idea how to log to the net using the command line
[22:31] <geirha> Ah, you're not connected to the net at the moment? I see. What type of connection is it? wired or wireless?
[22:31] <revolverXD> wired connected to vpn network and using mpls connection
[22:31] <geirha> mpls?
[22:32] <revolverXD> sort of connection that allways allows you to be connected
[22:32] <geirha> Hm. And you need to authenticate with vpn to get on the internet?
[22:33] <revolverXD> nope the connection is allways on
[22:33] <revolverXD> even now my router is broadcasting and im using my notebook to talk with you :)
[22:34] <geirha> Ok, so you really only need to run a dhcpclient
[22:34] <revolverXD> that the command "dhcpclient" ?
[22:34] <geirha> Do you know the name of the network interface? eth0 most likely
[22:35] <revolverXD> yeah that eth0
[22:35] <geirha> Ok, try: sudo dhclient3 eth0
[22:36] <geirha> Then, ping www.google.com  to see if you have a connection
[22:37] <revolverXD> :\ strang it says i dont have any device named eth0
[22:38] <geirha> what devices does   ifconfig   list?
[22:38] <revolverXD> :)
[22:38] <revolverXD> it works
[22:38] <geirha> :)
[22:38] <revolverXD> the ping works too :)
[22:39] <geirha> Great, now you can reinstall ubuntu-desktop :)
[22:39] <revolverXD> lets see it sudo apt-get gnome-desktop?
[22:39] <geirha> ubuntu-desktop
[22:40] <geirha> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop  or  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <revolverXD> :) muhaha it works :)
[22:41] <revolverXD> thank you alot geirha
[22:41] <geirha> No problem :)
[22:42] <revolverXD> i think i will stick to this chanel and see what more i can learn :)
[23:36] <mathay> Hullo
[23:38] <Bigleon> Hello there, I figured this would be best place to ask, I've been commisned by mother to set up my old laptop for one of her very computer illerate friends... I  was wondering which flavour of linux(ubuntu) would be best for someone used to Win XP... and some programs that can make her transition from XP to Linux a easy and painfree one.
[23:39] <Bigleon> Sorry about my fail at grammar there on a secondary note. >.< A wee bit tired today.
[23:42] <revolverXD1> not exactly an expert but it think 10.04 notebook remix could be the answer
[23:43] <revolverXD1> besides it will prevent her from doing things that will harm the OS since its locked like a fortress
[23:43] <Bigleon> Well aren't all of them.... sense rootpass word i'll keep XD
[23:43] <Bigleon> sence**
[23:44] <revolverXD1> ah that an option now that you mention it you can set the os to automaticly log as her user and keep the root pass :) to prevent accidents
[23:45] <Bigleon> She has arthritus or something... so she can't sit up strait which is reason I'm giving her old LP... and so she still has her old XP... she does a lot of research papers etc...
[23:45] <Bigleon> I'm thinking about attempiting to "Intergrate" Docs.google.com some how in her LP and desktop
[23:46] <revolverXD1> that way beyond my current knowledge :)
[23:47] <Bigleon> I think the her "Application bar" will consit of 4 things, Firefox, Hot link for docs. Kopete and direct link for Ubuntu support :P
[23:49] <Bigleon> My Biggest issue is that if somehting grows wrong while ii'm at college she should be able to resolve it her self.
[23:50] <malev_> hi there. does anyone has any idea about streamming?
[23:50] <Bigleon> A little Malev_
[23:50] <revolverXD1> well you could allways try and ask someone to explain to you how to set the LP for remote access via the net
[23:50] <malev_> hi Bigleon how are you?
[23:50] <Bigleon> Fine, what exactly do you need help with.
[23:50] <malev_> Bigleon, I'm researching about live streamming with theora for a comunitary channel from Argentina.
[23:51] <Bigleon> rev my college kills off VPN like none other.
[23:51] <malev_> I'm planning to use giss.tv
[23:51] <malev_> but not sure about choosing an mp3 channel or a ogg.
[23:51] <Bigleon> Alright, so are you wanting to view streamed material or stream out material?
[23:51] <malev_> Bigleon, to stream out material.
[23:51] <Bigleon> Well Ogg... is linux friendly... and assuming you got patch Mp3 is universaly friendly.
[23:52] <revolverXD1> lol
[23:52] <Bigleon> revolver i went all the way up to head of department just so i can could get a vpn on campus network so i could access my server in dorm room from anywhere on campus... they are like "use ours" Theirs 250mbs of space... mine 1tb...
[23:53] <malev_> Bigleon, ... that is the problem. I need it to be universally friendly. Does ogg work on any PC?
[23:53] <Bigleon> Ogg not so much... I would say mp3 or mp4...
[23:54] <Bigleon> I have a ogg copy of David mathews band sitting on my HD and i haven't beeen able to listen to it because WMC, Itunes, and Zune all refuse to play it. XD
[23:54] <malev_> oks! thanks Bigleon
[23:54] <revolverXD1> bigleon what did you said you wanted the layout of the OS to be ? i will try and see hwo it works on my netbook
[23:54] <zkriesse> ah the cheerful sound of new guys helping out
[23:54] <revolverXD1> how*
[23:54] <Bigleon> Check out one of the Main Help Channels for further information on streaming process i'm sure they can help...
[23:54] <zkriesse> welcome to revolverXD1 Bigleon
[23:55] <revolverXD1> thx :)
[23:55] <Bigleon> Recolver if you do that it would be awesome I can't work on the laptop for another 2 weeks.. Left it at home, (going to a wedding next weekend so spendign to weeks at the gf's.)
[23:56] <Bigleon> Umm Super basic layout, that has easy access to Firefox, Kopete, Hotlink for google docs, and a hotlink for Irc, with explanation under each button.
[23:56] <revolverXD1> ok working on it will take some time
[23:56] <Bigleon> zkriesse I love linux and prefer to use it, unfortunately I'm a big video gamer.. and microsoft rarely supports the other.
[23:57] <Bigleon> If Stream would be more Linux friendly I think i might get Kubuntu 64bit back.
[23:58] <Bigleon> I also got a ATI video card in here, and last i heard ati doesn't support debian all to well.. unless something has changed in the last 2 years.
[23:58] <zkriesse> Bigleon: True
[23:59] <Bigleon> Have they made an easier to install Dual boot for debian/win7?
[23:59] <revolverXD1> i was using windows since the age of 8 and now a month ago i decided i had enough and now i find myself in totally alien enviorment
[23:59] <zkriesse> Bigleon: eh not sure
[23:59] <zkriesse> revolverXD1: Ah cool...what version/distro are you using?