[02:55] Why isn't there a Public Key for the Maverick 3.7a6pre daily PPA? It won't let me update my system, because there isn't a Public Key, and it isn't authenticated on Maverick [02:56] there isn't a key? [02:56] Nope [02:56] should be this: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xB34505EA326FEAEA07E3618DEF4186FE247510BE&op=index [02:56] Nope [02:56] I used a terminal to update [02:57] Here, this is what I get in Update Manager [02:57] W:GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EF4186FE247510BE, W:Failed to fetch http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [02:57] , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [02:57] did you use a terminal to add the ppa, or did you do it manually? [02:57] manually [02:57] Upgraded from Lucid, worked in Lucid [02:57] Removed and then re added the PPA, still nothing [02:58] is the key still shown by the software sources? [02:58] Nothing comes up, it is just the PPA, so I'm not really sure [02:58] it should be under "Authentication" [02:59] Nope, it isn't there... [02:59] ok, then go here: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEF4186FE247510BE [02:59] And just add that key? [02:59] select the text, create a new text document somewhere on your comp, paste the text into the file, save, then import it in the Software Sources :) [03:00] then it should work [03:00] The selected file may not be a GPG key file or it might be corrupt. [03:00] That is the error importing selected file [03:01] alright, since you're on lucid, this will be easier. remove the PPA, then go to a terminal and run 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa' [03:02] I'm on Maverick [03:02] well as long as you're on something on karmic or more recent [03:02] that'll add the ppa and automatically get the key [03:02] Okay [03:03] Wait, after removing it, I get this: [03:03] Failed to fetch http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [03:03] Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [03:03] why is it trying to pull something from dropbox.. [03:03] I have the Dropbox PPA installed too [03:03] Something messed up with the Sources manager? [03:04] do you have the key added for the dropbox ppa? [03:04] No, now it isn't there... WTF? [03:04] strange... [03:04] Wait, I opened it back up, now it is there again... [03:05] the key is? [03:05] For Dropbox yeah [03:05] Weird... [03:05] haha, weird. you can try importing the key for the mozilla daily ppa if you want, but running the command is usually easier [03:06] Yeah, I just did the command, lets see [03:06] Okay, it is there, lets update [03:06] Update manager gives me this now: [03:06] W:Failed to fetch http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [03:06] , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [03:07] Is it the dropbox repos? [03:07] might be.. [03:07] Not supporting Maverick? [03:07] Let me remove the dropbox PPA and key [03:07] or they might be down atm [03:07] No, because I got the Lucid PPA and Key from the dropbox site [03:07] WAit... [03:07] It is the dropbox MAVERICK PPA [03:07] I don't think dropbox officially supports Maverick yet [03:08] I think I have to use the Lucid PPA, because when a source is added, it automatically changes to a Maverick key [03:08] What happened when I upgraded [03:08] seems like they'd have it working in maverick.. [03:09] Well, I thought that too [03:09] it could still be their server being down, i've run into that before with other PPAs [03:09] But there IS NO MAVERICK PPA for Dropbox, and when added to the sources, it automatically changes to a Dropbox repository [03:09] strange.. [03:09] No, because I could get the Lucid repository [03:10] How can I remove dropbox? [03:10] The actual program? [03:10] I installed it using the .deb package from the Dropbox website [03:10] you can find it in synaptic, or it may show up in the software center under installed software [03:10] No, it wasn't in Synaptic [03:10] I'll check the SC [03:11] Okay, got rid of dropbox, lets try and re-install it [03:12] Actually, let me reboot first, so it doesn't startup, brb [03:14] Okay, lets install dropbox again [03:15] if there's a ppa, then can't you install from the ppa instead of the deb? [03:16] I r a genius [03:16] And, I couldn't find the PPA btw [03:16] All I did, was changide the dropbox PPA from Maverick to Luc [03:17] Lucid [03:17] well, if it works [03:17] Well, I can't tell [03:18] The update manager is downloading 0 out of 0 bits, which means, I don't know if it is actually checking any repos for updates [03:18] Okay, because there isn't anything to update [03:18] sudo apt-get update [03:18] doesn't bring up any updates [03:18] BEAST [03:18] I love FOSS :) [03:19] Thanks for your help :) [03:20] Oh yeah, anyone know how the new JS engine is coming along? [03:21] for FF? [03:21] Yeah [03:22] I haven't noticed a difference in the 3.7a6pre's engine over any previous ones [03:23] Takes a little while to load, but it runs pretty well, I'm still looking forward to the updated engine [03:24] it probably won't be available for a while yet. the version should switch to 4.0 fairly soon, i'd expect them to allow testing of the engine in probably a month or so? that's just my guess [03:25] Yeah, hopefully in a few weeks, I think I read that they are changing to 4.0 when the updated JS engine is ready for beta [03:25] GTG, thanks for your help, see ya [03:47] hey micahg [03:48] hi ddecator [03:48] micahg: any chance you'll have time tonight to help me figure out how to fix the FF 3.7 patch? [04:00] ddecator: sorry, pidgin memory leak [04:01] actually, it's a kernel issue that'll be fixed in Maverick [04:03] micahg: np [04:05] ddecator: ff37 should be similar to what you do w/songbird except you can use the .tar.gz from the daily PPA [04:07] ddecator: just saw your mail [04:07] micahg: i was doing the same thing i had to do with sb, but for whatever reason whenever i tried to force the ubuntu_bookmarks patch to apply, it kept trying to force a different patch to apply, and i couldn't figure out why (although it was really late, so i might have been doing something wrong :p) [04:07] ddecator: so, quilt push -f, tries to push another patch even when it stops before on ubuntu_bookmarks? [04:07] micahg: yup, firefox-profile patch or something [04:08] * micahg looks [04:08] ddecator: which tarball are you using? [04:08] micahg: i used get-orig-source [04:08] ddecator: k, then you might have a new patch to fix as well as the old issue [04:09] micahg: the patch it was trying to apply worked when i tried to build, but then it would fail when quilt tried to force it (i'm guessing because it was already applied) [04:10] ddecator: k, do you have a patches dir in build-tree/mozilla? [04:10] micahg: let me check.. [04:10] micahg: no [04:11] ddecator: ln -s ../../debian/patches . [04:11] then try quilt pop -a [04:11] then quilt push -a [04:11] and see where it stops [04:13] File series fully applied, ends at patch ubuntu_codes_amazon.patch [04:13] so maybe it's not broke anymore? [04:13] ddecator: try with a fresh build [04:13] (from build-tree/mozilla) [04:13] micahg: k [04:14] should i be doing this from the firefox- dir or the mozilla dir? [04:14] ddecator: start from the firefox-3.7 dir with debuild -b [04:14] micahg: k [04:14] ddecator: then when it fails, make the symlink in build-tree/mozilla and fix [04:15] micahg: ok, i'll give it a try [04:15] ddecator: k, if you get it fixed in the next 10 minutes, I'll try to merge it quickly :) [04:15] micahg: sounds good :) [04:15] ddecator: don't worry, we'll get it fixed for tomorrow [04:15] micahg: haha, ok [04:16] micahg: ok, ubuntu_bookmarks.patch failed, so create the symlink then use quilt push -f in the mozilla dir? [04:18] ddecator: right [04:18] micahg: so doing that causes the series to fully apply.. [04:18] ddecator: that's weird [04:19] * micahg pulls down last nights tarball [04:19] sorry i know it's getting late, but i want to figure this out so i can start helping with the dailies :p [04:20] ddecator: that's ok, I'd like to get you helping too :) [04:20] * micahg can then work on other stuff :) [04:20] very true, haha [04:24] ddecator: wfm [04:24] micahg: odd...let me try one more time [04:31] micahg: didn't work again, i wonder if it's how i have quilt setup...here's what i'm doing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/452297/ [04:32] ddecator: idk [04:33] micahg: this is what's in my .quiltrc file (doesn't seem like it should cause any issues) http://paste.ubuntu.com/452298/ [04:33] micahg: the branch is firefox-3.7.head.daily right? [04:33] ddecator: ah, you might already have QUILT_PATCHES then... [04:34] ddecator: no, maybe that's your issue [04:34] firefox-3.7.head [04:35] micahg: ah, thanks, i didn't see that on lp, i'll pull that and try it [04:36] ddecator: lp:firefox [04:36] micahg: that's what i need to branch? [04:37] ddecator: it's firefox-3.7.head :) [04:37] oh :) [04:37] alright, i'm getting it now, i'll go through everything again afterward [04:41] ddecator: I try to keep lp:firefox as trunk [04:41] micahg: good to know :) [04:41] * ddecator hopes this works [04:41] i was getting frustrated last night, haha [04:59] micahg: i'm starting to hate my computer [05:01] QUILT_PATCHES does point to the debian/patches dir.. [05:01] ddecator: k, so you should just be able to quilt push -f in build-tree-mozilla [05:02] micahg: alright, let me try a sec [05:06] micahg: still says it fully applied... [05:07] but that patch definitely didn't apply... [05:11] ddecator: where's your .pc dir? [05:13] micahg: where should it be? [05:14] ddecator: in build-tree/mozilla for FF/TB [05:14] micahg: yup, it's there [05:15] the ubuntu_bookmarks patch isn't in there.. [05:15] ddecator: that means it didn't apply [05:15] ddecator: is it in patches? [05:15] micahg: yup [05:20] i'm confused.. [05:20] * micahg is too [05:23] lets try... [05:25] "No patches in series" wtf.. [05:25] ddecator: ah, so you do need the link [05:25] ddecator: so make the symlink and try quilt pop -a [05:26] micahg: doesn't make a difference. i made the link and it still doesn't see the series file.. [05:26] ddecator: weird [05:27] ddecator: try moving your .quiltrc file out of the way [05:27] micahg: k [05:27] ddecator: never worked right for me, so I gave up on it [05:28] micahg: ok, so i'll have to make the symlink then for sure, right? [05:28] ddecator: yep [05:28] micahg: k [05:32] micahg: ...that was it [05:32] ddecator: :) I had the same problem [05:33] micahg: so did you already fix the patch, or should i fix it for practice and push to lp and request a merge? :) [05:34] ddecator: go for it [05:34] ddecator: BTW, I find it easier with the bookmarks patch to see if something around the code changed that's easily editable and edit the patch manually and try to reapply [05:34] ddecator: only because some of the lines are >500 char [05:35] micahg: yah i saw that, wasn't really sure the best way to approach it. i'll take a look, thanks [05:52] micahg: AHA! after a bit of trial and error, i got it fixed. i'll make sure it fully builds before i push to lp :) [05:54] ddecator: k, that one only takes a few minutes [05:54] micahg: yup, just finished :) [06:01] micahg: ok, i'm pushing now, i'll request the merge in a few minutes. let me know if the formatting is wrong at all [06:02] ddecator: k, thanks [06:04] heh, i changed the format of the "new upstream snapshot" a bit from what i do with sb, not sure if that really matters [06:05] micahg: merge requested :) [06:09] ddecator: k, so here's the thing, we don't add a new changelog entry for each daily fix, so, just modify the current version in the changelog for the first commit, take a look at some previous commits for the commit entry, then, the second commit, you add your name to the existing entry with what you did, see other commits for formatting [06:10] micahg: ah, ok, i kind of wondered about that. i'll do that now [06:11] ddecator: thanks [06:13] micahg: should i still do one commit for the new snapshot and then a second commit for the fix, or should i just change the version of the package in the changelog, then add my fix and just commit the fix? [06:13] micahg: looks like you do a commit with each update to the package version [06:13] or revision* [06:14] (i definitely didn't do this with songbird...) [06:14] ddecator: one commit to show the new version ,then one commit for each change [06:14] micahg: k [06:14] ddecator: with songbird, we just need one new version commit, then one for each change (not file) [06:15] micahg: so you want me to re-do the changelog for songbird so all of the changes are under the one entry? [06:17] ddecator: yes, so with songbird, you just need a changelog entry if you're adding a feature to the build, since it's not released yet, when there's a version in archive, then you need and entry for each packaging change [06:17] micahg: so i don't need to add changelog entries for the build fixes? [06:19] ddecator: no, but you do need bzr commit entries [06:20] ddecator: it took me a while to get this down as well [06:20] micahg: right. so should i just change the changelog or should i start over and re-commit the changes i made? (btw, i just re-pushed the firefox fix) [06:23] except it didn't push... [06:23] ddecator: well, you can mv that dir and rebranch, then pull the changes in 1 by 1 and commit them with the proper messages [06:23] micahg: ok, i'll work on that after i get firefox figured out [06:24] ddecator: thanks [06:25] it's giving me trouble because the branches diverged.. [06:25] ddecator: if it's yours, just push --overwrite [06:26] i thought there was a way to do that, but i couldn't remember the flag. thanks :) [06:26] ddecator: bzr help push :) [06:28] micahg: ok, it updated. how does it look? [06:30] ddecator: almost got it :) 2 things...1. commit message should be 3.7 a6 not 3.7~a6, 2. for the first commit, make sure to pass debian/changelog to bzr commit so that it only commits the changelog file [06:31] micahg: ok. how do i have it just commit that? [06:31] ddecator: bzr commit debian/changelog [06:31] micahg: simple enough. here goes try #3 :) [06:31] ddecator: I don't remember how many times I had to redo the TB3 import [06:33] micahg: is it ok for me to have "snapshot:" or should i remove the colon? [06:34] ddecator: I don't think you need the colon [06:34] micahg: k [06:38] alright, let's try this again [06:41] micahg: ok, it updated [06:42] ddecator: looks great [06:42] micahg: i missed a space in the commit :p [06:43] ddecator: in the New upstream snapshot? [06:43] micahg: yup. does that matter? [06:43] ddecator: I think it's ok this time [06:44] micahg: ok, i'll make sure to watch that next time, haha, i swear i hit space... [06:44] micahg: ok, so for songbird. just make one addition to the changelog for the new snapshot, then just do commits for all of the changes? [06:45] ddecator: although I wonder why the space is showing up different [06:45] micahg: hm? [06:45] ddecator: nno, just modify the version in teh changelog [06:45] micahg: ok, and then just commits for the changes...i'll work on that next [06:45] ddecator: yep [06:46] * ddecator is learning :) [06:48] ddecator: ah, they removed a space from that file, that's the diff [06:49] micahg: oh, gotcha. i couldn't see a difference so i copy pasted the part before and after then respaced everything. a space might have gotten left out or added from that.. [06:50] micahg: should i pass debian/changelog again, or was that just because i had updated the patch and that shouldn't have been in the commit? [06:50] ddecator: no, in the patch file [06:51] micahg: i can fix the space if you want :p [06:51] * micahg goes to check upstream file [06:51] i think i changed it on accident.. [06:52] ddecator: no, it's correct [06:52] :) [06:53] micahg: so do i need to pass debian/changelog again? (i'm guessing not) [06:53] ddecator: no [06:54] micahg: ok, thanks [06:55] ddecator: k, I pushed it up [06:55] micahg: and final question (for now). should i do the commit in the style you use for firefox, or the style fabien was using? [06:55] micahg: thanks :) [06:55] ddecator: they should be the same [06:55] micahg: k [06:55] ddecator: please tell me if I'm diverging [06:56] micahg: well for songbird fabien was doing "* New upstream snapshot: 2.0.0~a SVN " which is how i was doing it [06:56] * micahg goes to check other commits [06:57] well it was 1.4.0 for him, but that format [06:57] ddecator: I think he's changed styles since then :-/ [06:57] ddecator: it's merged :) [06:57] micahg: haha, so should i go with that, or the one you are using now? [06:57] micahg: thanks :D [06:58] ddecator: thanks you [06:58] ddecator: use the current one [06:58] micahg: ok [06:59] micahg: the tarball doesn't say what alpha it is, it just says '2.0.0~a~svn' so should i do "2.0.0 a" or "2.0.0 a1"? [06:59] it's nit-picky, but apparently i need to be :p [07:00] ddecator: 1st one [07:00] micahg: alright, thanks. now i'll get started :p [07:14] hi micahg, what could we/I do about debugging that seamonkey-closing bug, etc. Could it be upstream problem but not related to packaging? [07:14] nikolam: most likely due to the cairo changes in lucid, I'm supposed to prepare a patch for upstream, I just haven't gotten around to ityet [07:16] so you think is distribution-related and that non-packaged variont of SM downloaded from Mozilla directly, most likely would not have such behavior? [07:16] nikolam: yes, it's because I used system cairo [07:17] Aha. so it would require upstream changes to fix local behaviour.. [07:18] nikolam: well, it's patched in xulrunner-1.9.2, but not in xulrunner-1.9.1 which Seamonkey 2 is based on [07:19] hm. I have xulrunner 1.9.2 on this lucid now [07:20] nikolam: yes, but Seamonkey 2.0 has its own copy of xulrunner [07:20] so as i understand, it would have to wait 2.0.5 etc, or not? [07:21] aha. or patching .1 with needed changes, I see. [07:22] nikolam: yeah, 2.0.5 is in the security PPA, but I don't have the fix yet, if I get it done before 2.0.5/FF3.5.10 is released, I'll have it reuploaded, otherwise, I'll need to SRU or wait until 2.0.6 (I'd be more inclined to SRU) [07:23] micahg: ok, the songbird merge updated. i'm sure i need to fix a few things, just let me know what when you get a chance. (i'm not sure what's going on with the diff for the one patch, it has the contents and applies when i try to build, i think the diff shows everything being removed and then re-added but it gets cut-off?) [07:23] ddecator: I'll take a quick look, but I won't merge until morning as I'm afraid to do it when this tired [07:24] micahg: no problem [07:35] wait.. [07:36] what the heck, with that patch i just made sure xulrunner was replaced with xulrunner-1.9.2, why is that huge block missing.. [07:36] ddecator: was it not committed originally? [07:37] micahg: i'm not sure, i'm checking the patch that's in the untouched branch to see if a block is really missing [07:38] yah, a huge chunk is missing, what the heck.. [07:38] let me see if i can redo the change [07:41] micahg: i'll fix that, make sure it still applies, then re-push so you can check tomorrow [07:41] ddecator: k [08:34] micahg: should be good now [08:35] ddecator: k, thanks [08:41] dang it, there's still one file it doesn't take care of. it'll be ready in a little bit... [08:50] there... [17:45] ddecator: are you around? [17:45] im just guessing here but Songbird FTBFS again? [17:56] gnomefreak: he's working on it :) [17:57] micahg: thanks just checking. i really really wan tto play with it [17:57] gnomefreak: he fixed FF37 last night [17:58] oh yeah i forgot that was old/broken [17:59] i took a quick look at gtkpod but it didnt look like it was a easy learning app. but when i get more time i will play with that as well [18:11] i need a link [18:11] gnomefreak: to? [18:12] micahg: any flash video. testing chromium as default browser and flash [18:12] micahg, fixed the dh7 thingy in my dashboard: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/ubuntu-mozilla-daily--ppa.html [18:13] gnomefreak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4kT-K9eJ2k&feature=fvhl [18:13] thanks [18:13] micahg, dh7 is indeed in hardy, but in backports, so it's not really usable [18:13] youtube wasnt being helpful but im trying your link now [18:13] fta: yep, I was saying that we probably don't need it in the PPA [18:13] gnomefreak: with Chromium, you can use HTML5 w/Youtube [18:14] ah [18:14] well this video works now test java on thier site :) [18:16] micahg, just deleted ff3.5 from umd [18:16] http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml fails in Chromium [18:17] so i have to guess either java needs to be enabled or the versions i have dont work [18:17] fta: cool, can you delete thunderbird-3.0 please? [18:17] micahg, done [18:18] fta: thanks [18:21] fta: micahg ok what am i missing with java+chromium? [18:22] gnomefreak: I'm guessing the Java part ;) [18:22] gnomefreak: which java? [18:22] yeah i was thinking that but i dont see anyway to enable it or even if it works with the versions im using [18:22] gnomefreak: which java? [18:23] gnomefreak, i use sun-java6-plugin and it's fine. but iirc, there's a problem with openjdk-6 [18:23] IIRC i am using free version but i do believe i have both installed. im going to play in update-alternatives to see what i have [18:23] bug 529242 [18:23] Launchpad bug 529242 in chromium-browser (Mandriva) (and 3 other projects) "chromium doesn't recognize icedtea6-plugin (affects: 13) (dups: 1) (heat: 99)" [Unknown,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529242 [18:24] policy sun-java6-plugin [18:24] W: Unable to locate package sun-java6-plugin [18:24] gnomefreak: partner? [18:24] its wont fix [18:24] gnomefreak: for mandriva :) [18:24] micahg: i thought i had it enabled but cheaking [18:24] lucid/partner [18:24] micahg: ah [18:25] !info sun-java6-plugin [18:25] zzZZzz.. [18:25] * gnomefreak doesnt like mandriva. im on 10.10 [18:25] fta: Package sun-java6-plugin does not exist in lucid [18:25] !info sun-java6-plugin partner [18:25] fta: 'partner' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid [18:25] pfff [18:25] yep its enabled [18:26] http://pastebin.com/ngXwz51G [18:28] remember it's partner/lucid, not maverick [18:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/452567/ [18:29] i am enabling it for lucid [18:30] once updates and my smoke is done [18:31] smoking is bad for you [18:31] sometimes :) [18:31] and for anyone fwiw [18:49] micahg, will hardy get ff3.6? [18:53] fta: yes, it's staged in the mozilla-security PPA [18:54] micahg, why is it red in umd then? [18:55] fta: .head won't build, chrisccoulson or I need to modify the patch so that the dailies work, it's the kde patches [18:55] oh [19:21] ok set my alias' finally [19:33] i need to find a song that i heard a week or 2 ago and other than "i hate$SOMETHING" in the song i have nothing :( [19:37] i love i dont have to restart Chromium after installing extensions and stuff :) [19:39] gnomefreak: FF4 will have the same capabilities [19:40] micahg: cool [19:42] the new extension famework can be installed in current FF too [19:43] search for the JetPack extension [19:43] JanC: I think the idea is even for non jetpack extensions to not require a restart in 4.0 [19:44] what is smtp port other than 25 i was thinking its 465 or something like that? [19:44] gnomefreak: 465 or 587 [19:44] micahg: thanks [19:45] gnomefreak: 465 is smtps and 587 is smtps or alternative smtp [19:45] I thought that wasn't possible with all current extensions, but one never knows... ;) [19:45] 587 is "submission" [19:46] and that was the problem :) [19:47] intended to be used for an smtp-server to "submit" mail to from a mail client (and is using TLS in most cases because of that--you only want authenticated users to use your mailserver to send mail) [19:49] Chromium is broken i think. i set it as default in the system>pref. menu i set as default in update-alternatives and it poped up saying its not default so i clicked the button on the prower that said "set as default" and yet it is still poping up when i open a new session [19:52] gnomefreak: alternative system isn't the main way to set defaults anymore [19:52] there are many ways to set a "default" browser in linux ;) [19:53] i know but even still it is set everywhere and opens as default but says it isnt default [19:53] gnomefreak: what does xdg-open open? [19:54] nothing [19:54] gnomefreak: xdg-open http://google.com opens nothing? [19:54] i tried just "xdg-open" and i tried with a url but failed to open [19:55] use '' around the URL [19:55] i didnt use the HTTP [19:56] it opened chromium and still has the yellow bar at top saying it is not my default browser and gives me 2 buttons "set as default" and "dont ask me again" [19:57] gnomefreak: that's probably a bug [19:57] fta: ^^^ [19:57] it is a bug :) [19:58] il try the dont ask again and see what happens [19:58] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45208 [19:59] gnomefreak: i am now [19:59] bug 513133? [19:59] Launchpad bug 513133 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "When chromium is the only browser installed, i'm still asked to make it the default (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513133 [19:59]