| dgroos | Good Morning | 12:51 |
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| Lns | Morning all! | 18:18 |
| alkisg | Good evening Lns | 18:28 |
| alkisg | Lns, I've been looking at this quide you wrote: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LockdownHomeDirs | 18:28 |
| Lns | hey alkisg | 18:30 |
| Lns | ok | 18:30 |
| alkisg | So you're putting teachers in the admin group? | 18:30 |
| alkisg | If they're in the admin group, so they can use sudo, can't they already access the files? | 18:30 |
| Lns | alkisg: where does it say teachers are in the admin group? | 18:32 |
| alkisg | (only teachers and/or system administrators/techs should be a member of the "admin" group, as it is used for system administration purposes) | 18:32 |
| Lns | my setups have a 'teachers' group and a separate 'admin' group | 18:32 |
| alkisg | So, can teachers access user's files? | 18:32 |
| Lns | well | 18:33 |
| Lns | i guess i could elaborate since my setups are a bit more than just on that page now | 18:33 |
| Lns | you can choose for teachers to have access | 18:33 |
| Lns | See i wrote that before i got into ACLs | 18:33 |
| Lns | so i was just looking at group permissions | 18:34 |
| alkisg | Ah, you're using ACLs now? | 18:34 |
| Lns | yeah | 18:34 |
| Lns | they work pretty well for situations like that =) | 18:34 |
| Lns | i also genearally separate student homedirs from other teachers/admin staff | 18:34 |
| Lns | so i usually put students in /home/students | 18:34 |
| Lns | and then ACL that branch | 18:34 |
| alkisg | So you're using ACLs in some production school and you had no major complains? Maybe I should also look into those then :) | 18:34 |
| Lns | alkisg: oh man you haven't been using ACLs? they're awesome =) | 18:35 |
| Lns | no, no complaints, just praise | 18:35 |
| Lns | i made a video on acls on youtube | 18:35 |
| alkisg | Nah, in my own schools I never needed any permissions at all, but some fellow teachers are asking for them | 18:35 |
| Lns | gotcha | 18:35 |
| alkisg | Oooh link link?! :) | 18:35 |
| Lns | hahaha | 18:35 |
| Lns | should be linked in the ACL tutuorial on the ubuntu wiki at the top.. | 18:36 |
| Lns | lemme find it | 18:36 |
| Lns | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ACLSupport | 18:36 |
| Lns | youtube vid is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6piQXXHTmqk | 18:36 |
| alkisg | Merci! | 18:37 |
| alkisg | Ah, it's easy to listen to your video. I heard stgraber over skype once and I had a hard time understanding what he was saying. | 18:38 |
| Lns | hehe | 18:39 |
| Lns | yeah i used xvidcap for that video | 18:39 |
| Lns | very nice software | 18:39 |
| alkisg | Have you tried gtkrecordmydesktop? | 18:39 |
| Lns | i don't recall, sounds familiar | 18:40 |
| Lns | hmm looks nice! | 18:42 |
| Lns | i think xvidcap is better suited for me though because i run VMs in a window and i can select the window only to record instead of the whole desktop | 18:43 |
| Lns | so that way i can show me logging out/in, rebooting, etc. | 18:43 |
| alkisg | Hmmm I think gtkrecordmydesktop also supports that, but I haven't tried xvidcap yet. I will now :) | 18:45 |
| alkisg | (btw adduser is proposed instead of useradd) | 18:46 |
| dissident | hi everyone | 19:02 |
| alkisg | Hello | 19:02 |
| Ahmuck | how do you put students into /home/students? | 19:14 |
| Ahmuck | aren't all users created under /home? | 19:14 |
| Ahmuck | so users' are still created under /home, but are controlled by acl | 19:16 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: you can modify /etc/adduser.conf to make it default, specify home dir during user creation, or manually move already created ones and update /etc/passwd | 19:16 |
| Ahmuck | ah, so you are creating a sepearte directory, /home/students | 19:17 |
| Ahmuck | are users students unable to view each other's directories | 19:17 |
| dissident | does anyone have any ideas why an ltsp-client would get stuck at the Edubuntu boot splash | 19:26 |
| dissident | seems stuck in a loop | 19:26 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: my own students can't go into each others' dirs, no | 19:33 |
| Lns | dissident: have you gone through the troubleshooting steps? | 19:33 |
| Lns | dissident: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting | 19:33 |
| dissident | thanks for that Lns | 19:34 |
| dissident | plymouth | 19:37 |
| dissident | Lns: working now thanks | 19:55 |
| dissident | Lns: are you running LTSP? can you perhaps tell me a bit about your setup? | 19:56 |
| Lns | dissident: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_SuccessStories#Logical_Networking_Solutions_-_Northern_California.2C_USA | 19:57 |
| dissident | ta | 19:57 |
| dissident | Lns: are you more involved in the infrastructure side of things, or the software (or rather, usage thereof) side of things | 20:02 |
| dissident | um, the education side i guess | 20:02 |
| Lns | dissident: I'm basically a sysadmin, not a coder - I run my business by installing and maintaining Linux/LTSP networks in schools. | 20:03 |
| dissident | Lns: k | 20:03 |
| alkisg | dissident: did you see any error messages after removing quiet/splash? | 20:09 |
| dissident | alkisg: strangely enough | 20:09 |
| dissident | i got a message about plymouth being killed | 20:10 |
| dissident | um, i hit enter and it booted | 20:10 |
| dissident | oO | 20:10 |
| dissident | so i think the update to the image made the difference | 20:10 |
| dissident | even though i'd previously done it | 20:10 |
| alkisg | Heh, well if it works.. :) | 20:10 |
| dissident | it does now hehe ta | 20:10 |
| dissident | okay, question for main (highvoltage helped put me on the right track a week or so ago) - only thing, downloading a mirror would just ahve taken too long hehe. | 20:12 |
| dissident | our funder came and gave the green flag for our Education centre today. I need to get this server back to the farm (200km from here) by Thursday, its currently at my house on an ADSL connection. I want to put as much useful softwaare onto the server before i return it (no internet at all on the farm the Lab is located at) | 20:13 |
| dissident | Thursday I want to be able to demo whats possible. I know my way around the regular KDE based educational packages, as well as a few of the non-kde oriented ones. | 20:14 |
| dissident | the primary goal of this lab is to narrow the digital divide to people from an impoverished rural community. at least 30% of the users will be functionally illiterate. | 20:14 |
| dissident | i was hoping that you guys could share some of the tools you're using (and maybe how you're using them) at your labs? | 20:15 |
| alkisg | dissident: you can pass "--download-only" to apt-get to retrieve packages without installing them. | 20:15 |
| mhall119 | wow, sounds like a really worthy endeavor | 20:15 |
| alkisg | So e.g. if you think tuxpaint will be needed, but you're not sure, you can download it and install it locally afterwards, without any internet connection | 20:16 |
| mhall119 | you can use Keryx to create Apt-CDs for various packages | 20:17 |
| dissident | oo, ta | 20:18 |
| dissident | the project would be great, but people need to see what linux can offer | 20:18 |
| dissident | what i'm really keen on knowing is which software packages are most commonly being used by the LTSP projects | 20:19 |
| dissident | as a point of departure | 20:19 |
| Lns | dissident: why not just burn Edubuntu CDs with the software on them to install later if you need to? | 20:20 |
| dissident | Lns: do you mean the add on CDs as specified on the website? | 20:21 |
| dissident | Lns: or do you mean with the specific software intended for the install? | 20:21 |
| Lns | dissident: the CD/DVD images | 20:22 |
| Lns | those contain all of the software, and you can install via CD/DVD later in apt | 20:22 |
| dissident | i used the edubuntu dvd | 20:22 |
| dissident | 10.04 | 20:22 |
| dissident | and did the standard installation (with LTSP installation afterward) | 20:22 |
| Lns | ok | 20:22 |
| dissident | via the script on the desktop | 20:22 |
| * dissident hits the LTSP wiki | 20:25 | |
| dissident | maybe i should rephrase... in your LTSP deployments, which are your top 5 most used / most effective/ software packages? | 20:29 |
| dissident | we'll be doing OpenOffice courses | 20:30 |
| dissident | running an "offline" wikipedia as a basic encyclopedia | 20:30 |
| Lns | dissident: mainly our students use Firefox, Open Office, a typing tutor, games.. younger students use things like GCompris (very good for learning computers) | 20:32 |
| dissident | Lns: k, thanks. I see these are installed by default | 20:33 |
| dissident | the -edu* packages | 20:33 |
| Lns | right | 20:33 |
| dissident | i'm assuming | 20:33 |
| Ahmuck | Lns: where r u located? | 20:35 |
| Ahmuck | scribus is a good package for ubuntu | 20:35 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: northern california | 20:35 |
| Ahmuck | however, it may not work well on ltsp, because of the imges | 20:36 |
| Ahmuck | lns, interesting. i'd think n cali would have went the ms way | 20:36 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: they usually do. It's a struggle to get open source in around here - but people are starting to catch on like wildfire | 20:36 |
| Lns | specially since our local economy is in the crapper =p | 20:37 |
| alkisg | Here the economy is even worse; I wonder thought why the only stores that have people in them are the cafeterias... :D | 20:38 |
| Lns | alkisg: that's right you're in greece? | 20:40 |
| Lns | California is pretty close behind you as far as economic turmoil | 20:45 |
| dissident | hehe | 20:46 |
| dissident | no, here the government commits to open source | 20:46 |
| dissident | but then the dept. of education offer a laptop subsidy to teachers (but only if they run windows) | 20:46 |
| dissident | oO | 20:47 |
| Lns | nothing like vendor lock-in via charity | 20:47 |
| dissident | yup | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | that's because the subsidy is coming from ms | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | it's the same here | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | if you get your computers and software for free, then you start looking at compatibility, and training issues | 20:48 |
| Lns | if MS wants to really be a charitable source for technology, why not offer the choice of OS installation? | 20:48 |
| dissident | purely out of curiosity | 20:48 |
| dissident | what do you think of Google's new OS? | 20:48 |
| alkisg | Here they gave about 120.000 netbooks to students, and fortunately we manage to convince them to be dual boot (edubuntu/windows) | 20:48 |
| dissident | supposed to be being released soon | 20:48 |
| dissident | rather, their vision for their OS | 20:48 |
| Lns | dissident: i wouldn't touch it until it's been out for a while | 20:49 |
| Lns | alkisg: that is great | 20:49 |
| dissident | ms gave the netbooks? | 20:49 |
| alkisg | Nope | 20:49 |
| dissident | k | 20:49 |
| alkisg | Mostly a european fund, and also 25% local funds | 20:49 |
| dissident | k | 20:49 |
| mhall119 | Lns: the reason MS wants to be charitable is because it benefits them | 20:50 |
| Lns | mhall119: i know..i guess it was more of a rhetorical question | 20:50 |
| mhall119 | it's not just MS either, that's why any corporate gives to charity | 20:50 |
| mhall119 | it improves their "corporate image" | 20:50 |
| * dissident should probably hit up BP for a donation sometime soon | 20:50 | |
| Lns | lol | 20:51 |
| mhall119 | but they won't undermine their products to boost their image | 20:51 |
| mhall119 | dissident: they're currently donating millions of gallons of oil to my shoreline, aren't they wonderful? | 20:51 |
| Lns | hopefully BP will become a charity to renewable energy after this is over | 20:52 |
| dissident | they're the best :-P | 20:52 |
| dissident | ja, hopefully | 20:52 |
| dissident | read something recently | 20:53 |
| mhall119 | Lns: I think BP has already been heavily investing in alternative fuels | 20:53 |
| Lns | mhall119: that's good! they're smart | 20:53 |
| dissident | should probably follow it up :-P | 20:53 |
| mhall119 | Lns: they are | 20:53 |
| mhall119 | they wouldn't be multi-billion dollar a year companies if they weren't | 20:53 |
| Lns | i know cheveron has been doing solar powered gas stations out here a lot | 20:53 |
| Lns | kinda paradoxical, but none the less a good gesture ;) | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | not really, solar is good for large stationary objects like stores | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | not so good for small, mobile objects like cars | 20:54 |
| Ahmuck | google's os is cloud tech | 20:54 |
| Ahmuck | vaporware i hope | 20:54 |
| Lns | mhall119: true | 20:54 |
| * Lns wonders if any electric cars employ wind turbines in their bumpers to re-power batteries | 20:55 | |
| dissident | Ahmuck: thats what i don't like about it | 20:55 |
| Ahmuck | seriously, i don't want my personal info on the cloud | 20:56 |
| dissident | exactly | 20:56 |
| dissident | yet, you average user is going to be conned into doing just that | 20:56 |
| dissident | because its "better", "easier" etc | 20:56 |
| Lns | cloud computing has good use cases | 20:56 |
| Lns | it's just not going to replace desktops and traditional server/client networks | 20:57 |
| dissident | agreed | 20:57 |
| mhall119 | Lns: only if you properly define what "cloud computing means" | 20:57 |
| Lns | its probably best for 'casual users' who don't work a lot on a computer | 20:57 |
| dissident | i think for organizations its great | 20:57 |
| Lns | cloud computing is usually defined as a service provider hosting everything. | 20:58 |
| Lns | there are private clouds, but...i mean, really. | 20:58 |
| mhall119 | Lns: you need a definition that's different from a VPS in some way | 20:58 |
| dissident | anyone here using schooltool? | 21:00 |
| Ahmuck | outside of ltsp is there really a good server/client platform for edu? | 21:04 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: you mean like skolelinux? | 21:05 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: DRBL | 21:10 |
| Lns | i hear people talk about zero-clients and 4-to-1 stations here and there | 21:11 |
| Lns | but LTSP, in my research anyway, has been the best of those choices | 21:12 |
| * alkisg tried to use DRBL and had to reinstall Ubuntu afterwards :-/ | 21:14 | |
| Ahmuck | has used drbl | 21:14 |
| Ahmuck | have also heard of 1 machine, 4 clients | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | but i'm not sure i'd use ltsp either | 21:15 |
| dissident | thanks for you inputs guys | 21:59 |
| * dissident has his work cut out for him | 21:59 | |
| dissident | hehe | 21:59 |
| dissident | night | 21:59 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: have you tried the LTSP fat client support in Lucid? | 21:59 |
| alkisg | It's completely different, it doesn't transfer screens over the network... | 22:01 |
| dgroos | alkisg: how come I can't find the 'install-LTSP' script on my desktop after install of edubuntu? | 23:13 |
| dgroos | hmmmm... | 23:13 |
| * alkisg has not tried to install ltsp from the edubuntu dvd yet... | 23:14 | |
| dgroos | Is there some way documented somewhere? | 23:15 |
| dgroos | Would someone list the steps/commands for me? I'll try it out, recording the details as it goes along and write them up on the ubuntu wiki. | 23:23 |
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