/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/06/21/#kubuntu-devel.txt

* ScottK predicts tears when cjwatson sees what I did to kubuntu-meta, but kubuntu-mobile is built from Universe, so it's a win.01:39
jjessewhat is kubuntu-mobile?01:40
ScottKjjesse: It's a tech preview using plasma-mobile, somewhat along the same lines as the Kubuntu Netbook tech preview we did a coupld of cycles ago.01:42
jjesseoh cool, so i can run it on my phone or something?01:43
ScottKIn theory.01:43
ScottKMy expectation is it will take more than one cycle to get there.01:44
jjesseintersting01:44
jjesseso do you head up all the tech previews we do :)01:44
ScottKI'm not really heading this one up.  This is a joint venture with Ubuntu Mobile team and some other interested community developers.01:45
lex79why kubuntu-mobile is built from universe? which package is in universe that can't go in main?01:47
lex79just curiosity...01:47
ScottKlex79: We expect that there will be a lot of highly experimental packages for mobile widgets and stuff.02:13
ScottKEventually it'll go in Main, but for now, there's a lot more flexiblity in Universe.02:13
ScottKThe netbook tech preview was different, because it was just one additional package in Main.02:13
lex79ah right, got it :)02:14
=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna
ScottKRiddell: Would you please have a look at poppler in binary New?  tsdgeos was missing poppler-cpp in Maverick so I fixed the package to build it and I'd like for us to be responsive about getting it out.05:11
* jussi waves to the channel06:13
* nigelb waves to jussi 06:15
nigelbjussi: Good morning! having a good monday?06:15
jussinigelb: its 815 and its monday.... can it be good?06:16
nigelbjussi: definitely not :/ I'm having a bad one too06:26
jussimind, dont we find out the new Kubuntu Council today?06:27
nigelbyeah? oh!06:27
* jussi thinks Riddell will do it when he wakes up.06:27
NCommanderScottK: Riddell: its been a crappy weekend, but kdebase-workspace is about to get uploaded with armel fix06:31
jussiNCommander: nice work! 06:32
* jussi hugs NCommander06:32
NCommanderIf it builds, I'll try and commit it to SVN upstream, but I might not get around to it06:32
NCommanderUploaded06:33
* NCommander waits for the Accepted email06:33
NCommanderWTH06:35
NCommanderI got rejected06:35
NCommander"Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'.06:36
NCommander...06:36
NCommanderis kdebase-workspace NOT in kubuntu-dev?06:36
NCommanderor did I fall out of kubuntu-dev06:36
jussiNCommander: are you trying to upload to ppa or?06:37
ScottKNCommander: Shove it in bzr and I'll upload it.06:37
NCommanderMain archive06:37
NCommanderScottK: its in bzr already, but I'm upset that I just got a reject06:37
NCommanderScottK: let me figure out why I got rejected before you upload06:37
NCommanderScottK: ~kubuntu-dev is the upload group, right?06:38
jussiIsnt it that only core devs can upload to main? or am I totally out of it...06:38
ScottKNCommander: It is.  -workpace may be in core.06:38
NCommanderUpload permissions where changed so some KDE packages can be uploaded06:38
NCommanderScottK: .... ~kubuntu-dev is then completely useless IMHO06:38
ScottKIt was (I thought) supposed to be moved to the package set, but maybe it didn't get done06:38
* NCommander thought it was stupid that a bunch of KDE packages were out of it but whatever06:39
NCommanderScottK: feel free to sponsor06:39
ScottKOK.06:39
NCommanderScottK: obviously I misunderstood the role of kubuntu-dev when I got it since I've yet to upload a single package with it06:39
NCommanderI'll look at bindings sometime this week06:39
ScottKNCommander: There's a few rough spots to work out yet.06:40
NCommanderScottK: its already tagged 0ubuntu4 so if you end up making changes, remember to delete the dag06:40
NCommander*tag06:40
ScottKOK06:40
NCommanderScottK: you still need me around, or cna I poof off for awhile?06:40
ScottKpoof06:41
NCommandercool06:41
NCommanderScottK: thanks for the upload.06:41
NCommanderScottK: this should help quite a bit06:41
ScottKYeah and I want to get it uploaded before the Europeans wake up and fill the buildds.06:42
NCommanderScottK: heh06:42
NCommandercya06:42
ScottKNCommander: Uploaded.  Thanks for taking care of it.06:47
agateauRiddell: ping09:32
steveireRiddell: Damn. I'll see if I can talk to tokoe about a patch that will apply.09:33
a|wenshadeslayer_: I see you worked on the k3b package too ... did you also look at the patches, and which could be upstreamed?09:47
* apachelogger gets up after 11 hours of sleep and doesnt feel much better10:18
alparty hardy equals tardy10:19
* jussi huggles apachelogger10:20
* apachelogger got a b on the relational database course -.-10:37
apacheloggerbetter days I have seen clearly10:37
* apachelogger rehuggles jussi10:37
Riddellhi agateau 10:39
agateauRiddell: hi, was wondering if you had more info about the dbusmenu problem you mailed me about10:40
agateauRiddell: but got some details from #plasma meanwhile10:40
Riddellright click->boom10:40
agateauRiddell: was thinking about handy things like, you know, backtraces :)10:41
apacheloggeruhhh10:42
apacheloggerKC election ends in 18 minutes10:43
jussiooh10:46
* apachelogger hopes everyone voted already :)10:47
* apachelogger also proudly presents his [I VOTED] sticker ^^10:47
* Riddell grumbles about popularity contests10:48
Riddellagateau: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/6XtsHi2S10:55
agateauRiddell: ok thanks10:56
* jussi waves his "I voted" sticker at apachelogger11:03
apacheloggerpff :P11:03
* apachelogger waits for Riddell to announce the new council members :P11:04
Riddelldo you want to know the results?11:04
* apachelogger also callgrinds dolphin meanwhile11:04
apacheloggerRiddell: just who is in11:04
Riddellit means someone will lose and that's never a very nice thing11:04
Riddellwell, someones will tie to lose actually11:05
apacheloggerbrrr11:05
apacheloggermaybe we should limit the amount of candidates to the amount of openings, that would certainly eliminate that problem :)11:06
Riddellcan you see http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=3&id=E_5351b17cef859a25&algorithm=beatpath ?11:06
nigelbheh11:06
apacheloggeraye11:06
Riddellme, ScottK and neversfelde it is11:07
nigelboh, so top 3 are the council?11:07
Riddellthanks to lex and jussi for taking part11:07
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK, neversfelde: congrats11:07
* apachelogger hugs and jussi and hands him a cookie11:07
jussiaww11:08
* apachelogger notes that now 6/6 are involved with development11:08
* nigelb thinks that is a good thing11:09
Riddellright, which is just why i don't like having a vote, you don't end up with the best mix as a team11:09
jussiI tend to agree.11:09
apachelogger*nod*11:09
jussibut thats what we have now. 11:09
apacheloggerwe can and should try getting more non-dev people to apply actually11:09
jussiIt was only me this time, no?11:10
apacheloggeryep11:10
macocongrats so um who are the 3 that expired by the way?11:10
macohmm mid-sentence topic switch11:10
apacheloggermaco: Nightrose, seele, Riddell if I am not mistaken11:10
macocongrats you three11:10
macoand THEN as a *separate* sentence:11:11
macoso who are the....?11:11
maco:)11:11
* apachelogger does not compute :P11:12
macoapachelogger: i said "congrats so um..." but i was in the middle of typing "congrats you three" when i switched to "so um..."11:14
* apachelogger still doenst compute11:15
apachelogger*retransmitting*11:15
apacheloggermaco: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=3&id=E_5351b17cef859a25&algorithm=beatpath is the result of most recent KC election11:15
apacheloggerhence jr, scott and nevi repalace jr, seele and nightrose11:15
macoapachelogger: do you ever start saying a sentence and get distracted in the middle of it and say something nonsense instead?11:16
* Nightrose blinks at apachelogger11:16
apacheloggerno, I usually start saying a sentence and it is nonesense to begin with11:16
* apachelogger pokes Nightrose with a fluffy bunny11:17
Nightrose<- irreplaceable11:17
apacheloggerwell11:17
apacheloggerI wrote repalace11:17
Nightroselol11:17
apacheloggermeaning that they enter the palace of KC :P11:17
Nightrose:P i see11:17
* Nightrose unblinks @ apachelogger then11:18
apacheloggerit is all well thought through11:18
Nightrosei can see that now yes11:18
Nightrose;-)11:18
apacheloggerwell, except for jr repalacing jr, that strikes me as complex to draw in a diagram11:18
* apachelogger is not sure whether he reads this callgrind log correctly but of our old desktop file translation stuff the key translation itsemf seems to be most expansive too11:20
* nigelb thinks apachelogger can talk his way out of anything11:20
apacheloggerquite some heaping going on there11:20
* apachelogger thinks that nigelb might be right11:20
* apachelogger thinks that kconfig* should be written in dirty C as to improve overall KDE performance :P11:22
apacheloggerthe amount of usage of those class is scary11:22
apacheloggerKConfigIniBacken's parseConfig gets called some 4092 times in a dolphin startup + context menu creation11:22
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks.11:25
apacheloggerand if I understand this listing here correctly then it is responsible for 16.95 % of the call costs or so11:25
a|wenuh, congrats to Riddell, ScottK and neversfelde !11:26
apacheloggerthat makes it come right after qstrcmp11:26
ScottKThanks.11:26
Riddell"kduffus extended their membership of Kubuntu Members" yay, seaLne still one of us!11:45
macoi feel like there's a scifi (doctor who?) reference in there11:46
maco"one of us. one of us. one of us."11:46
alf__Riddell: Hi! One question about qt4-x11: why is armv6 forced for armel architectures? 11:48
apachelogger\o/ the doctor11:48
ScottKalf__: Because that's the lowest arm version we support in Ubuntu.11:49
ScottKIt wouldn't build if we didn't do that.11:49
alf__ScottK: Ok, so it just to set the lowest version... so forcing v7 should work, right?11:51
ScottKPresumably.  11:51
ScottKI didn't look if there's upstream support for it or not (there is for v6)11:51
ScottKAlso as long as v6 -> v7 is still binary compatible.11:52
Riddellif alf is packaging it for qt embedded it doesn't need to be binary compatible11:53
alf__ScottK, Riddell: Thanks, just wanted to make sure that nothing (known, at least) was blocking v7 builds11:53
ScottKRiddell: True, but he referred to qt4-x11, so I assumed he meant out package.  If it's not something for the archive,I think it's OT.11:53
Riddellit is for the archive or PPAs11:56
ScottKOK11:57
ScottKIt's not at all clear to us outsiders how much Linaro work goes in Ubuntu and how much is downstream.11:58
ryanakcaCongrats to the winners... Would someone on the KCC like to update the /topic ?12:10
apacheloggerkubotu: topic del 412:12
=== kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are amazing <3 | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are amazing <3 | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Wed 7th July 18:00UTC
ulyssesshouldn't be Karmic replaced with Maverick on the wiki page?12:39
apacheloggerwhat wikipage now?12:44
RiddellI expect we have plenty of wiki pages out of date12:45
Riddellit's a wiki, edit :)12:45
ulyssesedited, now back to KDE translation12:51
Riddellthanks ulysses!12:53
Riddellryanakca: can you make a kubuntu.org story with this http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/tutorials please12:53
ulyssesit was nothin ;)12:53
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
apacheloggerNightrose: is it just me or would the kde->git process be a perfect oportunity to make the release script less procedural and more objectal (i.e. refactor approach no 3)13:12
Nightroseapachelogger: i'm sceptical whenever you say refactor... ;-)13:13
Nightrosei just want it to work (TM)13:13
Nightrosearghhhh... medical journals...13:14
Nightrosei just want to read that paper and not really pay you a few hundred bugs13:14
apacheloggerNightrose: well, at the very least make the VCS stuff more objectal, the current procedual approach is sort of horrible considering the differences13:15
Nightrose*nod*13:15
apacheloggermore generally speaking the release scripts could generate a releaseobj that has a vcsobj to the releasecore that does fancy stuff to produce a releasetar ;)13:16
apacheloggerNightrose: if you had invested more time in the important things back in school you could now be doing physics and make use of the vast paper sharing networks ;)13:17
Nightroselol13:17
NCommanderRiddell: you alive?14:09
RiddellNCommander: and kicking!14:12
Riddellin a non-violent way14:13
NCommanderRiddell: for commiting on the kdebase SVN tree, should I file a bug on what I'm fixing first (ARM FTBFS)14:13
* agateau wonders what a non-violent kick is14:13
RiddellNCommander: no paticular need to, just exmplain what the issue is in the commit log14:14
Riddellexplain14:14
ScottKOn the off chance agateau was actually wondering: "alive and kicking" is an English idiom/slang for alive.  No actual kicking involved.14:16
agateauScottK: I know, it was just a (failed) attempt at being funny, thanks nevertheless :)14:17
NCommanderugh14:27
NCommanderrosetta is spammy again14:27
NCommanderScottK: kdebase-workspace built14:27
Riddellyay14:28
Riddellhow's kdebindings doing? :)14:28
NCommanderRiddell: looks like someone dropped my python-qt4 voodoo or it broke with Qt 4.714:29
ScottK\o/14:30
ScottKNCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu4/+build/1803895 says it's still building?14:31
ScottKFWIW, ia64 finally caught up over the weekend and everything built fine, so it's "done".14:32
ScottKIn fact, workspace just hit the scary part: dpkg-deb: building package `kdebase-workspace-dbg' in `../kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.85-0ubuntu4_armel.deb'.14:39
JontheEchidnaagateau: I had suspected that the QuickAccess crash was a kdelibs bug. Thanks for taking a look at it!14:53
agateauJontheEchidna: I couldn't stand the idea of living without this applet :)14:53
shadeslayer_ScottK: Riddell neversfelde congrats to all!!!!14:59
shadeslayer_now just tell me when the next meeting is >< 14:59
ScottKshadeslayer_: Thanks.14:59
Riddellthat's a good question15:00
Riddellwe should organise one this week15:00
* shadeslayer_ sees that Rossetta has spammed him again :|15:00
Riddellalthough I'm out most evenings this week15:00
Riddellinfact out all evenings15:00
Riddellshadeslayer_: want to help us along by setting up doodle?15:01
shadeslayer_Riddell: sure thing...15:01
shadeslayer_Riddell: any specific stuff apart from my membership request? ( i can see agateau requested one too )15:01
NCommanderScottK: so Rosetta is spamming me as it builds?15:01
NCommanderGreat15:01
NCommanderWho the hell invented that "feature"15:01
ScottKNCommander: That's the archs that have finished.15:02
Riddellshadeslayer_: not that I know of15:02
* NCommander already got 100 or so emails15:02
NCommander*sigh*15:02
RiddellNCommander: someone who doesn't get spammed by it, we moan to dpm on a regular basis and there is a bug but nothing happens15:02
NCommanderRiddell: change the Changelog author to dpm15:02
NCommanderThen upload all of KDE15:02
NCommanderProblem will be solved :-)15:02
shadeslayer_hahaha :D15:03
shadeslayer_or lets combine all our rosetta mails and send them to dpm15:03
shadeslayer_bigger impact ;)15:03
NCommanderto whoever uploads the next lang pack15:03
dpmoh, c'mon people, I'm not even a LP developer!15:03
NCommanderyou know what to do15:03
dpmI do pass on the poking to the rosetta devs, though15:04
NCommanderdpm: so who should feel/fear our Rosetta messages? ;-)15:04
shadeslayer_dpm: better have a good filter in your email ready :P15:04
dpmhahaha15:04
NCommandershadeslayer_: thats no fun15:05
shadeslayer_apachelogger: i heard the money in GSoC was 5000 USD !!!!!!15:05
* shadeslayer_ could buy 2 cars for $5k15:05
dpmNCommander, I'm sure you can find who the LP Translations developers are, as I'm sure you know how to set up e-mail filtering :P15:05
NCommanderdpm: yeah, but you don't expect it the first time around15:06
dpmI know, I know15:06
ScottKA properly aimed language pack update could get the point accross.15:07
shadeslayer_Riddell: any ideas where i can poke ofir ?15:08
shadeslayer_Riddell: do i need to send out invites ? or do i just give you the link?15:12
shadeslayer_Riddell: ScottK apachelogger neversfelde and the rest KC idk :P : http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n515:15
shadeslayer_ScottK: who else is in KC ?15:16
ScottKshadeslayer_: There's a team on LP.  Look it up.15:16
ScottKRiddell: We should have spec review for Maverick on the agenda.15:16
shadeslayer_JontheEchidna: rgreening http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n515:17
shadeslayer_ScottK: feel free to poke me and ill add it ;)15:17
ScottKshadeslayer_: Add it.15:17
shadeslayer_done15:19
shadeslayer_a|wen: actuall JontheEchidna worked on the package,i merely pointed out that it was up for merging,but he put my name in the changelog :P15:23
shadeslayer_*actually 15:23
JontheEchidnaI did?15:24
shadeslayer_JontheEchidna: seems so...15:24
shadeslayer_oh wait it was ScottK :P15:24
shadeslayer_JontheEchidna: sorry :P15:24
JontheEchidnayeah, I usually remember when I merge packages :P15:25
a|wenshadeslayer_: ah, okay ... then it most likely hasn't been done (as he asked me to do it)15:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: shadeslayer_ pointed out that it had a pending merge and it took me about 1 minute to do, since it was trivial, so I added him to debian/changelog for the merge since noticing it needed doing was more work than doing it.15:26
* shadeslayer_ thinks ScottK is far too kind15:26
* a|wen was a bit confused by the 0ubuntu1 version number and it being merged15:26
JontheEchidnaIt had to be -0ubuntu1, since debian didn't have a rc4 package at the time15:27
JontheEchidnaIt was a merge, then an immediate diverging from the merge by doing a new upstream release15:28
a|wenhuh, weren't we already up-to date with the latest rc3 package15:28
shadeslayer_a|wen: there was a mail in the Kubuntu Devel ML about the rc4 package15:29
shadeslayer_and its benefits :)15:29
a|wenshadeslayer_: i know ;)15:29
shadeslayer_:)15:30
shadeslayer_ok todays bug hug day is focussed on k3b , anyone around to help with triage ?15:30
shadeslayer_https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=k3b&search=Search15:31
a|wenshadeslayer_: in any case, you didn't do what was on my todo, so i can do it later ;)15:31
shadeslayer_a|wen: uh... i dont understand ....15:31
a|wenshadeslayer_: no need to :)15:32
apacheloggershadeslayer_: yeah 5k, when I read that I was thinking about how much more money this would be if one is not austrian :)15:32
shadeslayer_hehe.. 15:33
shadeslayer_translates to 2.5 lacs in INR :P15:33
apachelogger5k are like 500 euros or so... silly euro -.-15:33
apacheloggeranyhow15:33
* apachelogger is supposedly getting an A on the HCI course15:34
shadeslayer_btw any comment on bug 325370 would be welcome,i dont know how to handle this one :)15:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325370 in k3b (Ubuntu) "please change default k3b success and error sound notifications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32537015:34
ScottKBug should be upstreamed and upstream should decide (based on the title)15:35
shadeslayer_ScottK: the issue is that k3b does not pull in the KDE theme sounds etc...15:36
ScottKDefinitely upstream then.15:36
shadeslayer_well thats what the description mentions anyhow ..15:36
shadeslayer_ok15:36
* shadeslayer_ notices that no version is mentioned ....15:36
shadeslayer_kubotu: weather Gurgaon,India15:38
kubotuWeather info for New Delhi, India (updated on 7:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010); Temperature: 104 F / 40 C; Humidity: 35%; Dew Point: 72 F / 22 C; Wind: ENE at 8 mph / 13 km/h; Pressure: 29.42 in / 996 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Unknown; Visibility: 1.7 miles / 2.8 kilometers; Yesterday's Cooling Degree Days: 41 approx.; Sunrise: 5:25 AM IST; Sunset: 7:22 PM IST; Moon Rise: 2:37 PM IST; Moon Set: 1:05 AM IST; Moon Phase:15:38
kubotuWaxing Gibbous15:38
shadeslayer_omg... look at the humidity ....15:38
shadeslayer_jefferai: any idea how i can clear all buffers in your core?15:39
shadeslayer_( of my account )15:39
jefferaiSput: ^15:39
shadeslayer_jefferai: /clear doesnt work :P15:40
* shadeslayer_ wonders why bugs.lp doesnt have a "Remove Comment" button 15:40
apacheloggershadeslayer_: data integrity I suppose15:41
shadeslayer_hmm... true .....15:42
apacheloggerin lp you barely can remove stuff15:42
shadeslayer_omg... we have bugs dating back to fiesty and gutsy with k3b 15:43
apacheloggershadeslayer_: you could have just linked to the meeting schedule in that doodle poll :P15:44
apachelogger!meeting15:44
ubottuKubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings15:44
apacheloggerubottu: thank you :*15:44
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:44
shadeslayer_apachelogger: ill add it now :)15:45
apachelogger\o/15:45
apacheloggershadeslayer_++15:45
shadeslayer_:D15:45
shadeslayer_Done15:46
shadeslayer_anyone have media to test bug 296057 ?15:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296057 in k3b (Ubuntu) "k3b says "erasing failed" after erasing a DVDRW before writing, even though it has succeded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29605715:48
claydohis there any rough estimate for the new kubuntu.org site?15:53
shadeslayerclaydoh: we have a testing site up15:53
shadeslayerclaydoh: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/15:53
claydohshadeslayer: I know, nice :) just curious if there was a guestimate on when it goes live15:54
apacheloggernow15:54
apacheloggerseriously15:54
apacheloggercan someone15:54
apacheloggerplease15:54
* shadeslayer seriously needs to poke ofir about that...15:54
apacheloggerdo something15:54
apacheloggerabout that ludicrous ktorrent icon15:54
apacheloggerit makes me all dizzy when I see it15:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe... put on your ktorrent icon blocking glasses on :P15:54
claydohwould it be ok to allow the general public to see that link?15:54
apacheloggerclaydoh: what for?15:55
shadeslayerwhen you open that site in my college you dont see the ktorrent icon, the *torrent* regex is banned :P15:55
apacheloggerI mean, it is generally public, so the general public may look at it, though I fail to see the point in advertising it ;)15:55
claydohstaging.kubuntu.org15:55
claydohapachelogger: that's why I asked :)15:56
apacheloggershadeslayer_: supposedly you do not learn about torrents then ;)15:56
apacheloggerclaydoh: why? :P15:56
* apachelogger is not very fast today15:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: all the students leeched the crap out of the college server before the regex was banned :P15:56
claydohap neither am I , and not very clear with my thoughts15:57
apacheloggershadeslayer_: lol, we have quotas for that :P15:57
shadeslayernow usually when i have huge ubuntu upgrades,in the order of 500 MB,i take my laptop to the college and download like heck15:57
shadeslayerget speeds of 500 KBps :P15:57
apachelogger^^15:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: cool... i guess our sysadmins are a bit lagging :P15:58
apacheloggerwell15:58
apacheloggerthe key management system of our university was down for 10h straight...15:58
claydohapachelogger: just trying to se what sorts of titbits and gossip I can pass on to the kfn without creating havoc15:58
apacheloggertells a lot about the admins15:58
apacheloggerclaydoh: you better do not pass that there15:59
apacheloggerremember how ignorant people are about reading :/15:59
apacheloggerit might be better suited to just distribute screenshots15:59
apacheloggerespecially since staging is not usable in either case16:00
claydohapachelogger: which is why I should have just asked more clearly for a rough guess on when it will go live :)16:00
apacheloggerclaydoh: the rough guess was some months ago to be around release :P16:00
apacheloggerlast thing I know it was just blocked on sysadmins doing things16:01
apacheloggerand sysadmins are always super busy16:01
apacheloggerso...16:01
jtechidnaOh my dpkg, it actually used to look like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/kubuntu/images/C/kubuntu-kynaptic.png16:01
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
shadeslayerapachelogger: sysadmins for kubuntu site didnt know how to use drupal 6 ( or whatever the new version is )16:01
shadeslayerwhoa... wiki seems to be down 16:01
apachelogger^^16:01
apacheloggerwell16:01
shadeslayerThe server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.16:01
apacheloggerthe wiki is made out of python16:01
apacheloggerso it must go down regularly for repairs :P16:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: moin moin == python?16:02
apacheloggerI very much think so16:02
shadeslayerah...16:02
apacheloggerwhereas twiki == perl16:02
* shadeslayer hates python now too16:02
apacheloggertwiki is rather fancy from a technology POV IMHO16:02
apacheloggerthe usage paradigms are all weird though16:02
shadeslayermoin moin doesnt recognize my Time Zone...16:02
apacheloggerOTOH it uses HTTP where possible16:03
apacheloggeri.e. I think it does not have it's own auth support but uses http authing16:03
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplj1416-jpg.jpg (If the wiki's down)16:03
apacheloggeralso you do not have a "back from editing review" button but just use the browser's back feature16:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: is this your new ui?16:04
apacheloggerI love it16:04
JontheEchidnalol16:04
JontheEchidna[11:01:22] <jtechidna> Oh my dpkg, it actually used to look like this:16:04
JontheEchidnaWe've come a long way in 5 years16:04
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: me wants the start icon!16:04
apacheloggerwellllll16:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: if the toolbar had sensible icon size + text it would be half bad16:05
apacheloggerseems rather straight forward16:05
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: shtylman gave it to me at UDS. One sec16:05
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: sure 16:05
* shadeslayer is bored of the KDE one16:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you really should be using qtassistant or qtcreator BTW16:06
apacheloggerusing assistant with Qt and KDE API made me 200% more efficient16:06
* apachelogger also uses it for larger university projects too ^^16:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: stupid qtcreator doesnt pick up the installed examples here16:06
apacheloggerwell16:07
* shadeslayer has qt4-doc-html installed :P16:07
apacheloggerusually that is more like stupid packagers, but oh my :P16:07
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JontheEchidnashadeslayer: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-kubuntulogo-png.png16:07
apacheloggeroi oi oi16:07
* apachelogger needs to talk about his TCP & HTTP implementions in half an hour16:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok i packaged the beta2 release for qtcreator...16:08
shadeslayerany idea what may have gone wrong?16:08
apacheloggerwrong path somewhere16:08
apacheloggershadeslayer_: check the code for where it would be looking for the examples16:08
apacheloggerthen search for a way to change it to where we have them16:09
JontheEchidnafiltering on installed packages in the KDE category \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprp1416-jpg.jpg16:09
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ++16:10
shadeslayerlove the new GUI16:10
shadeslayeradept? you have adept installed? lol.........16:10
JontheEchidnadon't knock the adept16:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: where did that name come from?16:10
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: Following the "name your kapp after subatomic particles" fad, plus "Mooooooo" goes the supercow16:11
apacheloggerMooouon :P16:11
JontheEchidnaexactly!16:11
apacheloggerwell then call it Muoon :P16:11
apacheloggermake the icon be a cow16:12
apacheloggerthen everyone is happy ;)16:12
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: a cow with blue patches :P16:12
JontheEchidnaI will put an easter egg of a cow mooing, activatable by Crtl+M+U16:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: then you can change  the icon to one with pink patches in fluffy :P16:12
* apachelogger likes that16:12
apacheloggerhow about just going with purple :P16:13
JontheEchidnaThe easter egg is a must-have, blocker feature of 1.0!16:13
apacheloggerhttp://www.kraftfoods.de/kraft/images/dede1/pictures/3_2_2milka_kuh_72.jpg16:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I agree16:13
apacheloggerhttp://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/25000/Milka-Cow--25254.jpg16:13
JontheEchidnaBtw, I'm thinking of doing a custom widget for the sidebar16:13
shadeslayerheh.. i heard there was a gay parade in berlin this saturday....16:14
apacheloggeras long as you use CSS + SVG for it16:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: poor cow....16:14
JontheEchidnaA frame widget with properly-aligned text, with sunken-frame buttons that hide/show the list views16:14
apacheloggershadeslayer_: there always is a gay parade in berlin, just that only sometimes they actively promote it :P16:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe :)16:15
* shadeslayer clones qtcreator git to check issues16:15
apacheloggerhttp://www.csd-berlin.de/16:15
danttiHow do I install kubuntu using the text installer?16:15
apacheloggerclient side decorations ftw!16:15
Riddelldantti: you need the "alternate" CD image16:15
apacheloggerdantti: you need to download the alternate CD16:15
dantti:(16:15
shadeslayerdantti: the alternate CD will install the GUI as well... 16:15
danttireally?16:15
shadeslayerdantti: yes :P16:16
shadeslayerbasically its for older machines ...16:16
danttishadeslayer: no I mean really I have to download another cd? just for that16:16
shadeslayerdantti: uh.. why not use the live CD ?16:16
danttiIt's a brand new vaio16:16
apacheloggerthose that make brrrrrrrrRRRR when you turn them on ^^16:16
danttiThe screen get black after I type enter16:16
* shadeslayer hasnt touched some CD's in a while...16:16
shadeslayerdantti: yes you will have to wait a while...16:17
apacheloggerdantti: mabe you need some funky startup parameter for ACPI or something16:17
danttishadeslayer: I waited a looots of while16:17
JontheEchidnaheh, you'll find the most interesting things in package managers... didn't know that kubuntu had done GSoC in the past: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopox1416-jpg.jpg16:17
shadeslayerthat too :P16:17
danttiapachelogger: vga=771 noacpi... nothing of that worked16:17
shadeslayerdantti: try nomodset as well16:17
danttithe screen seems actually to have turned off16:17
apacheloggermost odd16:18
shadeslayerdantti: 0_o16:18
shadeslayerthat happened to me 2 boots ago... but then i have maverick16:18
apacheloggerdantti: I would ask the google and download an alternate image meanwhile16:18
apacheloggerchances are that the alternate image will not start either, if it really is a problem with under the hood stuff16:19
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Nice screenshot16:19
danttiapachelogger: yeah I'm doing that right now but i really think both should be in the same cd16:19
ScottKdantti: The alternate CD uses D-I for the installer, so it should look familiar.16:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: a very useful tool I suppose ^^16:19
apacheloggerdantti: the livecd does not use d-i, does d-i even cope with livecd images?16:19
ScottKapachelogger: But it may be possible with the alternate to get it installed enough that it can be fixed after install.16:19
Riddelldantti: the CDs are completely different formats, d-i uses .deb files16:19
Riddellthe live CD is a full image16:20
apacheloggerwhat should be happening though is that someone writes a ncurses interface for ubiquity16:20
apacheloggerIMHO16:20
danttiRiddell: hmmm i see16:20
Riddellthe DVD contains both for those who really want16:20
ScottKapachelogger: There is a D-I live CD capability in Debian, but, AIUI, it's completely different than what we use.16:20
danttibtw this vaio has a GeForce G210M16:20
apacheloggerwell, it probably is not written in python :P16:20
shadeslayerhaha16:21
JontheEchidnaulysses: btw, it's in playground/sysadmin/muon, but beware that strings may undergo heavy changes, etc, etc16:22
Quintasan\o16:22
danttiI'll try nomodset when I get home then..16:22
shadeslayerhmm.. anyone with maverick confirm this : open k3b > Settings > Configure k3b > k3b dies 16:22
ulyssesJontheEchidna: I'll take a look at it ^^16:23
ScottKNCommander: -workspace did build, so congratulations.16:23
apacheloggershadeslayer_: is k3b latest rc btw?16:23
RiddellScottK: I never doubted him16:23
shadeslayeryep16:23
danttiIt was fun, I could not install kubuntu on my wife's laptop and she could not use w7 because after i restarted the password to login didn't work :P16:23
Quintasanshadeslayer: yeah16:24
shadeslayerme gets this : http://pastebin.com/HxBvZZu716:24
Quintasanshadeslayer: it dies for me too16:24
ScottKRiddell: Me neither.  I wasn't worried about NCommander fix, just if there were any undiscovered land mines remaining.16:24
shadeslayerbug reporting time :)16:24
* shadeslayer wonders how to use uscan16:25
Quintasandantti: w7 bootscreen is allergic to kubuntu :P16:25
apacheloggeroh, btw, if anyone wants to look into app startup time improvements, to me it would seem that the key to that is called KConfig* ;)16:25
apacheloggerhttp://imagebin.ca/view/qufKsXmG.html16:25
danttiQuintasan: :P16:25
Quintasanapachelogger: wtf is this?16:26
apacheloggercallgrind log of dolphin startup16:26
shadeslayerhmm.. better info : http://pastebin.com/a6HT74K116:27
ScottKapachelogger: I have a vague recollection that maybe agateau knows about fixing KConfig.16:27
apachelogger4092 calls to kconfiginibackend::parseconig seemed to translate to >500k to it's printabletostring()16:27
apacheloggersupposedly even little performance improvements could make a big difference here :)16:27
Quintasanhmm16:28
Quintasannetwork manager is dead here16:29
agateauScottK: I worked  a bit on kconfig_update, but I don't know much of the KConfig code :/16:29
QuintasanI have to use sudo dhclient each time after a reboot16:29
* apachelogger likes the look of massiv-visualiser though :D 16:29
apacheloggerhttp://imagebin.ca/view/le3wLD.html16:29
apacheloggermost fancy16:29
ScottKagateau: I think that makes you our expert.16:29
agateau:)16:29
apacheloggeralso what I came to notice, a lot of the heap usage before the very prominent peek towards the midddle of the drawing is from QByteArray's via KConfigIniBackend16:30
Quintasanhngh why the hell KNetworkManager says Network Management disabled16:30
shadeslayerQuintasan: yeah that happens16:30
shadeslayerQuintasan: reboot or something :P16:30
Quintasanshadeslayer: that happens each reboot16:30
shadeslayerhmm... ive seen that issue 16:31
Quintasanmakes my day a little bit more exasparating16:31
shadeslayerbug 59692616:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 596926 in k3b (Ubuntu) "k3b crashes on clicking Settings > Configure k3b" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59692616:32
Quintasanhmm16:32
Quintasanwe are missing libkmahjongg16:32
Quintasankajongg is not working :<16:32
shadeslayerQuintasan: really?16:32
ulysseshu/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.po ready^^16:32
Quintasanshadeslayer: yeah16:33
shadeslayerQuintasan: what does it say?16:33
shadeslayerhehe...16:33
Quintasanhttp://pastebin.ca/188777216:34
* shadeslayer gets to work..16:34
* Quintasan pats shadeslayer16:35
QuintasanI want to do some ron's16:35
shadeslayerron's ?16:35
Quintasanron16:35
Quintasanis what you say when you win on anothers players tile in mahjongg16:35
shadeslayerah ok..16:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: btw can you open a bug with that package?16:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: sure thing16:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: also lucid or maverick?16:36
Quintasanlucid16:36
* shadeslayer checks on maverick16:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: does kmahjongg work fine?16:38
shadeslayeryep same thing on maverick -.-16:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: try installing libkdegames5 16:40
Quintasanworks16:40
shadeslayerw00t16:40
Quintasanit should at depend on it16:40
shadeslayerneed to add a dep on kajongg :)16:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: file bug on dep problem :)16:41
shadeslayerand assign me to it... so that i dont forget... have to go and have dinner for now :)16:41
Riddell"/root/koffice/koffice-2.2.0/obj-i686-linux-gnu/libs/main/../../../libs/main/KoTemplateCreateDia.cpp:353: undefined reference to `KIO::file_copy(KUrl const&, KUrl const&, QFlags<KIO::JobFlag>)'16:44
Riddell"16:44
Riddellwaa, koffice won't compile16:44
ScottKRiddell: Also it looks like koffice is hopeless for ia64 due to llvm not being supported on that architecture.  It should probably be made not to try.16:48
NCommanderScottK: why does koffice depend on llvm?!16:50
ScottKNCommander: No idea.16:50
ScottKIt doesn't directly.16:50
ScottKkoffice -> libopenctl-dev -> llvm16:51
ScottKPerhaps it can be worked around, I didn't look.16:51
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1140834 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a method to get a list of all packages marked for change.16:54
JontheEchidnahttp://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprg1416-jpg.jpg16:55
ScottKkdesudo's documentation needs to be ported to the current docbook dtd.  It's currently FTBFS due to this.16:57
* JontheEchidna off to lunch16:58
yuriy_worklooks oddly like adept updater16:58
JontheEchidnayuriy_work: ;)16:58
JontheEchidnaIt doesn't use the extendy-items though. gonna have to put a tabwidget under there like the main view. (But maybe restrict it to changleog/package description)16:59
* JontheEchidna really off to lunch17:00
shadeslayerQuintasan: got a bug number for me?17:17
shadeslayernvm17:17
shadeslayer:)17:17
shadeslayerRiddell: around to sponsor a upload?17:18
Riddellshadeslayer: could do17:19
shadeslayerRiddell: do you need the debdiff?17:20
shadeslayersmall change...17:20
Riddellshadeslayer: well I can't upload without it :)17:23
shadeslayerRiddell: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJ3GzEMU17:24
Riddellhmm, why doesn't that get picked up by shlibs?17:25
shadeslayerRiddell: no idea.. had to manually add it :(17:25
Riddellshadeslayer: what happens if you don't have it installed?17:27
shadeslayerRiddell: kajongg doesnt run :P17:27
shadeslayerRiddell: http://pastebin.com/6Hv4Nx3V17:28
shadeslayeri wonder if all the other apps complain about it too17:28
Riddellthat's kdegames-mahjongg-data which is missing then17:29
Riddellshadeslayer_: Closes: #596932 ->  Closes: LP: #59693217:36
Riddellelse it won't close the bug17:36
Riddellshtylman: yo, has anything happened with the instsaller?17:36
shtylmanRiddell: nope17:37
shtylmanI think they are still flushing out gui ideas17:37
shtylmanand ev is poking around with the backend17:37
Riddellshtylman: what needs to be done to move to single CD for desktop and netbook?17:37
shtylmanRiddell: from what I remember from our talks... just having a plugin that would decide if the user should get netbook or desktop17:38
shtylman(based on some criteria) 17:38
Riddellscreen size17:38
shtylmanmost likely17:39
shtylmanwe can also detect processor and whatnot17:39
shtylmanbut for starters, screen size seems reasonable17:39
Riddelldo you know where such a plugin would be added?17:39
shtylmanunless I am mistaken, it could be the first plugin... since it doesn't have a screen to show.. or it could be the last17:40
shtylmanit is a silent plugin17:40
shtylmanI am just wondering how it would influence what desktop gets loaded17:41
shtylmanI know the rc file has to be edited17:41
Riddellyes, sed command on /etc/kde4rc17:41
shtylmanbut what could actually do that... I need to remember (or just ask cjwatson)17:41
shtylmanbut it shouldn't hard either way17:41
Riddellshtylman: are you able to look into that soon?  it would be nice to get it done for alpha 2?17:43
shtylmanRiddell: indeed I can... has the cd size come down? :)17:44
Riddellshadeslayer_: kdegames uploaded17:44
Riddellamd64 at a reasonable 681M17:44
shtylmannice17:44
shtylmanwith games?17:44
Riddellno langpacks in there and no games or plasma-netbook17:44
shtylmancause you know how I feel about games :)17:44
shtylman:'(17:44
Riddellshtylman: so get ubiquity running sed at the correct time and I'll add your games to the seeds :)17:46
* apachelogger got an A on his computer and network technology practical \\o/17:48
ScottKRiddell: We'd need to do some surgery on the netbook seeds to get it to fit.  It's also shipping all the bits to get bcmwl working and that's not small.17:50
ScottKRiddell: Did you see the i386 live CD build failures due to NM and the plasmoid conflicting in an unhealth way?17:51
RiddellScottK: what's bcmwl?17:53
RiddellScottK: not seen that yet was on my list of things to investigate today not sure if I'll get around to it17:53
Riddellapachelogger: I never doubted you :)17:53
ScottKRiddell: It's the Broadcom wireless drivers.  Broadcom is very common on netbooks.17:54
ScottK(they are in restricted, and you need dkms, gcc, and some other fun stuff)17:54
jjesseand it makes building your netbook from scratch in a place you have wireless only access super fun ;)17:55
ScottKThe fact that it's on the image makes is "possible".17:55
RiddellScottK: it's in the ship-live seed, doesn't look netbook specific17:56
ScottKOh.  Maybe they all have that.17:56
ScottKI've only ever needed it for netbooks, so made a bad assumption.17:57
ScottKOne of the original reasons I included games/edu stuff in Netbook is that the catagory list in search and launch was hard coded.  It's controllable now.17:58
shtylmanRiddell: sounds fair :)17:58
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shadeslayer\o18:24
shadeslayer_Riddell: awesome,thanks for upload :)18:36
shadeslayer_Quintasan|Szel: fix released ;)18:37
shadeslayer_Riddell: bug 325370 forwarded upstream18:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325370 in k3b (Ubuntu) "please change default k3b success and error sound notifications" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32537018:37
KRFbug 325370 seems to be a really good idea btw ;)18:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325370 in k3b (Ubuntu) "please change default k3b success and error sound notifications" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32537018:46
shadeslayer_KRF: already forwarded upstream ;)18:46
shadeslayer_KRF: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24239518:47
ubottuKDE bug 242395 in GUI/Usability "Please change default k3b success and error sound notifications" [Normal,New]18:47
shadeslayer_i was wondering if someone could set it as wishlist tho...18:47
ScottKshadeslayer_: Done.18:49
shadeslayer_ScottK: thanks18:50
shadeslayer_ScottK: one more favour :)18:50
shadeslayer_ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=831918:50
shadeslayer_first comment last 2 lines18:51
shadeslayer_does he mean i have to put a debain/watch file or modify debian/rules18:51
shadeslayer_ScottK: oh the guy who commented just responded on MOTU18:52
ScottKshadeslayer_: Modify debian/rules18:52
ScottKOK18:52
* apachelogger recommends the c++ haxx0rs to take a look at http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qstring.html#more-efficient-string-construction19:18
bulldog98apachelogger: why isn’t that included in all kdelib headers19:21
apacheloggerbecuase headers ought not to contain all sorts of junk as to reduce compile time ;)19:22
* Quintasan needs to attend this Qt lecture during KTD19:25
Quintasanapachelogger: any PROTIPs about what should I do after learning some Qt?19:25
apacheloggerQuintasan: do stuff? ^^19:27
apacheloggereek19:27
shadeslayer_Quintasan: program a app to take over the world19:28
shadeslayer_and name it kletstakeovertheworld :P19:28
apachelogger    char h[] = "hello";19:29
apachelogger    QLatin1Literal l = QLatin1Literal(h);19:29
apacheloggerwill NOT work19:29
apacheloggernot that I would get why, but it does not work ^^19:29
shadeslayer_btw the Qt lecture will be on basics right?19:29
apacheloggershadeslayer_: yes19:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: awesome... im learning bits and pieces right now :P19:30
apacheloggershadeslayer_: there is also one about QML which is more interesting if one already knows the basics ;)19:30
* apachelogger notes that having them scheduled the other way around would make more sense though *shrug*19:30
shadeslayerwell.. first basics,,, :)19:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: QML is first? -.-19:30
apacheloggerIIRC19:30
apacheloggergood bye amarok19:30
apacheloggersegfault++19:30
shadeslayerhehe19:31
* shadeslayer needs to correct qtcreator in maverick too...19:31
Quintasanshadeslayer: my best app is KTrollface19:33
QuintasanQTrollface rather19:33
tsimpsonapachelogger: what about it doesn't work (assuming you mean QLatin1String)?19:33
apacheloggertsimpson: see the url I posted earlier :P19:34
apacheloggertsimpson: I mean literally literal :P19:34
tsimpsonapachelogger: yeah, I should read backlog before I reply ;)19:34
apachelogger    QString fName = fileName();19:34
apachelogger    fName = fName.mid(fName.lastIndexOf('/')+1);19:34
apacheloggerthis is rather funky I must say19:34
Quintasanapachelogger: I might be a bit stupid now but somehow I can't understand why things like trollImage = new QLabel; work19:36
Quintasanshouldn't it be QLabel *trollimage?19:36
* Quintasan is used to using pointers with new19:36
tsimpsonQuintasan:  "this->" is optional19:36
tsimpsonso it's probably a member var19:36
apacheloggernot if trollImage is a member19:36
* maco is not used to languages that both have pointers and have new19:36
maco(*references* on the other hand...)19:37
apacheloggerif it is a member it is declared in the header (usually ;))19:37
apacheloggerif not you have it scoped to the block it is in19:37
apacheloggerand declare&define it in that block19:37
Quintasanargh19:37
QuintasanI do have it in header file19:37
maco(no i still havent figured out what makes a java reference different from a c pointer... crimsun_ had some esoteric computer scientist explanation for it that he tried to give me 2 yr before i took programming paradigms...which im doing now)19:37
apacheloggerso you can have QLabel *trollImage = new QLabel;19:37
tsimpsonreferences are like pointers, except they are guaranteed not to be null and are automatically dereferenced19:37
apacheloggerthat is however not the same as a QLabel *trollImage; in the header19:37
shadeslayer_btw any idea how to clear buffers in quassel with a command? all buffers at the same time...19:38
* apachelogger mostly dislikes references :P19:38
Quintasanapachelogger: I have "QLabel *trollImage;" in troll.h and I use it like " trollImage = new QLabel;" then, it's a reference, right?19:39
tsimpsonreferences are useful when you want to say "Hey, I'm going to modify one of the objects you pass to me"19:39
apacheloggerno19:39
tsimpsonand your object is not likely to already be a pointer19:39
apacheloggerQuintasan: referneces aint got nothing to do with your problem :P19:39
* Quintasan has polish book on cpp and they use some stupid made up terms for this19:39
apacheloggerwell, mostly19:39
apacheloggerQLabel &foobar; in the header19:39
apacheloggerwould be a reference19:39
hyperairhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/589916 <-- someone please reassign this to the correct package.19:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 589916 in pm-utils (Ubuntu) "[kubuntu] [karmic] [regression] Mouse problems after resume if "lock screen on resume" is NOT checked" [Undecided,New]19:40
hyperairi don't know which part of kubuntu handles this19:40
apacheloggerand as tsimpson said earlier, references must not be null, so foobar would have to be initialized in the ctor's initializer list or the compiler will jump at you and try to eat your head or stuff19:40
apacheloggerwhat you have is a proper pointer19:40
Quintasanomfg this sound so complicated19:41
Quintasanlet me get the basics straight first @_@19:41
tsimpsonit's not that bad, once you get used to it19:41
tsimpsonbut generally you don't need to bother with references, except for passing objects about to functions19:41
Quintasanthe problem is, I want to understand all this all at once and it usually ends up like "WTF is this? I've had enough, I'm going to play somethin"19:41
* apachelogger notes that proper Qt hackers will not use references though :P19:42
tsimpsonapachelogger: btw, this works as expected here: int main() { char h[] = "hello"; QLatin1Literal s(h); std::cout << s.data() << '\n' }19:42
tsimpsonie: "5 hello"19:42
apacheloggerIIRC they even mention that in their coding policy19:42
apacheloggertsimpson: doesnt want to compile here19:42
tsimpsoner, std::cout << s.size() << ' ' << s.data() << '\n';19:42
apacheloggertsimpson: are you on Qt 4.7?19:43
tsimpsonno 4.6.2 at the moment19:43
tsimpsonI would upgrade, but I only just got lucid working here19:43
tsimpsonI don't want to tempt fate19:43
apacheloggermaybe 4.7 is the problem then *shrug*19:43
apacheloggerQuintasan: there is nothing wrong with understanding all at once, but you need to take the time to understand :P19:45
tsimpsonalthough, neither QLatin1Literal not anything in qstringbuilder.h is listed in the 4.6 API docs...19:46
apacheloggertsimpson: also see the url I pasted above :P19:46
Quintasannoow, what should I code...19:46
apacheloggerQuintasan: a nethack clone ;)19:46
Quintasan@_@19:46
apacheloggergood exercise of design too19:46
Quintasanya want me to die from brain overload?19:47
Quintasan:P19:47
tsimpsonapachelogger: yes, but as I said, I have 4.6. so how do I have that class and header?19:47
apacheloggerQuintasan: well, its only like 5k of Qt19:47
apacheloggeror ~8k of C++ STL19:47
Quintasanthat's 4,999 lines too much19:47
apacheloggeralso depending on how much you want to implement :)19:47
apacheloggertsimpson: it was introduced in 4.619:47
tsimpsonbut it's not in the documentation of 4.619:48
apachelogger"There is nothing wrong with either of these string constructions, but there are a few hidden inefficiencies. Beginning with Qt 4.6, you can eliminate them."19:48
tsimpsonoh, I missed the "internal" word in the description19:48
tsimpsonso it was a easter egg19:49
apachelogger"In 4.6, an internal template class QStringBuilder has been added along with a few helper functions. This class is marked internal and does not appear in the documentation, because you aren't meant to instantiate it in your code. Its use will be automatic, as described below. The class is found in src/corelib/tools/qstringbuilder.cpp if you want to have a look at it."19:49
tsimpsonapachelogger: yeah, I got a little lost in the context19:49
apachelogger:P19:49
apacheloggerhttp://git.kde.org/19:49
apacheloggerall hail the git!19:49
Quintasancrap19:49
* apachelogger thinks that needs the brand0ring19:50
apacheloggerQuintasan: want me to write you a spec for a nethack clone :P19:50
QuintasanI want to compile m Qt apps to windows but there is no guide about cross compiling19:50
Quintasanapachelogger: hell no, I'm going to die after seeing it19:50
apacheloggerlol19:50
apacheloggerQuintasan: http://silmor.de/2919:50
apacheloggeralso it ought to be mentioned that compiling natively is a better idea usually19:51
Quintasanso installing a damn windows in a vm is a must?19:51
tsimpsonapachelogger: thought, the definition of QLatin1Literal looks exactly the same in 4.6 and git19:52
apacheloggerQuintasan: probably19:52
apacheloggertsimpson: then I do not know19:52
apacheloggermaybe it is some define in KDE or Qt19:52
apacheloggeranyhow19:53
apacheloggerfor now a QLatin1String will suffice19:53
apacheloggerit only causes one additional qstrlen call anyway19:53
apacheloggerif I understood this correctly that is19:53
* apachelogger is currently more concerned with how to inject desktop_foo translation catalogs into klocale at lookup time without doing it a bazillion times for no good reason :/19:54
Quintasananyone knows when we can expect the next uds?19:56
Quintasanif it's before march then I'm going to stay in queue for sure >_<19:57
apacheloggerQuintasan: I think there were dates proposed on ubuntu-devel earlier this month19:57
Quintasanoh man, I hope it's after 19th of March.19:58
apacheloggerQuintasan: well it will not, because it will be october/novemberish :P19:58
Quintasanthis year?! FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-19:58
apachelogger     11.04 UDS - October 25-29 (2010)19:59
apachelogger       11.10 UDS - May 9-13 (2011)19:59
apachelogger       12.04 UDS - October 24-28 (2011)19:59
Quintasanoh god19:59
Quintasan11.10 UDS - May 9-13 (2011) is probably for me19:59
Quintasanas I'm still a minor they won't take me :P19:59
apacheloggerthis is discrimination 20:01
jjessestop being a minor :)20:01
Quintasanjjesse: are you implying that I should get some nice fake papers? :P20:02
jjessenope20:02
jjessenot at all20:02
Quintasanapachelogger: well, it's just a year of wait after all20:04
QuintasanIt's not like not being there makes any difference for the development :P20:04
apacheloggerQuintasan: I refuse to attend for years, so ... :P20:05
QuintasanI'm starting to like KRunner20:06
Quintasanbut the task-oriented version20:06
QuintasanQuickSand, was it?20:06
ScottKQuintasan: They've taken minors before.20:06
Quintasanit's a little bit unstable when searching for songs in amarok20:06
QuintasanScottK: I get the idea that I'm in queue because of that.20:07
QuintasanBut I can be wrong20:07
apacheloggerQuintasan: no no, that unstability comes from amarok :P20:07
Quintasanapachelogger: go fix it then20:07
Quintasan:P20:07
Quintasanwhy the hell it is soo slow and unstable?20:07
Quintasanlike parsing a playlist should be damn fast cause it's text20:08
apacheloggerparsing?20:09
apacheloggeras in loading a playlist file or what?20:09
Quintasanapachelogger: urgh I mean processing it, like when searching for certain track in a whole playlist20:09
apacheloggerdepends on the size of the playlist most importantly20:10
apachelogger+20:10
apacheloggerit is not just text in that context20:10
apacheloggermore precisely it is probably a data model20:10
Quintasan>2629 tracks20:10
Quintasan:O20:10
apacheloggerthat is too large a playlist to begin wiht20:10
apacheloggeryou are abusing your playlist as collectoin20:11
apachelogger*collection20:11
Quintasanapachelogger: I don't think so. In first place, why other players do it BLAZINGLY fast?20:12
QuintasanLike, EVEN winamp can do it very quickly with even 10k tracks in playlist20:12
apacheloggerwinamp20:12
apacheloggerwas designed to do exactly that20:12
apacheloggerbecause winamp was not designed to have a collection20:13
apacheloggerwinamp does playlists VERY different from most other players20:13
QuintasanI am sure that winamp has collections20:13
QuintasanKnown as Media Library20:13
apacheloggerthat paradigm was introduced later on20:13
apacheloggeroriginally winamp had a playlist and that was it20:13
jjesseyou had to save each playlist seperatly20:13
apacheloggerand that is also why people who used winamp insist on using their playlist like a collection :P20:13
jjesseand load that file when you wnated to listen to it20:14
Quintasanapachelogger: okay, so if I want to listen to a ceratin track I have to do TWO things now, at least via KRunner20:14
Quintasansearch for the track -> Add to Playlist20:14
Quintasanand then search for it and Play20:14
apacheloggerthat is a limitation of krunner then?20:15
apacheloggerthere should be like search&play20:15
apacheloggerIIRC even the dolphin context menus did/do support that20:15
Quintasanlet me clear my play list and try it20:15
QuintasanI think even adding to playlist is not working20:15
Quintasanofc20:16
Quintasanapachelogger: when a track is not on my playlist the runner won't even care too look for it in the collection ^_^20:16
Quintasanhmmm20:16
apacheloggerwell, the runner was most likley not designed to replace the amarok UI :P20:17
Quintasancrashed20:17
Quintasanhmm20:17
Quintasanbut20:17
Quintasanat least it should be able to do search and play or add to queue, right?20:17
apacheloggerthat entirely depends on what it was intent for :P20:18
Quintasanbeats me :D20:18
* apachelogger thinks that searching stuff from the collection is really advanced and currently not even possible via the existing dbus interface20:18
Quintasanwell it works20:18
Quintasanbut is, let's say unstable and a little bit too slow20:19
apacheloggerso what can it do with stuff it found?20:19
Quintasanplay, add to queue, add to playlist20:19
danttiRiddell: how much work would be needed to stop using "whaterver" you use now to install lang packs, codecs and use KPK, because I was using kubuntu behind a proxy and could not install those stuff (since it didn't read the proxy kde settings) and python apt backend didn't work either (dunno why)20:19
Quintasanapachelogger: my main problem is the speed of it20:20
Quintasanwhat's the point of indexing in nepomuk or in amarok when searching takes like 10 seconds?20:20
QuintasanI would navigate to it faster that that20:20
apachelogger10 seconds?20:20
QuintasanFor my collection, yes20:20
apacheloggerhow much music do you have in your collection?20:20
QuintasanFor files on my drive too20:20
apacheloggerI mean, mysql mostly performs like crap compared to psql :P20:21
apacheloggerbut not that bad20:21
Quintasan4,798 files20:21
danttiapachelogger: specially for small dbs :P20:21
Quintasan- covers would be about 4,6k20:21
apachelogger5k is nothing 20:22
apacheloggerdantti: aight ;)20:22
apacheloggerQuintasan: there must be something wrong with your setup20:22
apacheloggerI get results from my 10k collection in like 3 seconds20:23
Quintasanapachelogger: like, what can be wrong with my setup? clean kde 4.5 with new shiny stable amarok20:23
* apachelogger notes that amarok does loads of expensive queries he has been told20:23
apacheloggerQuintasan: using a beta release maybe? :P20:23
Quintasanhah20:23
Quintasanstable kde was even worse20:23
Quintasanthe nepomuk is faster now20:23
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1140906 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Reloading the cache after a worker is finished is something that should be left to the app to do, to have full control of when to do so to prevent crashing.20:24
Quintasanbut it fails to show some files20:24
apacheloggernepomuk != amarok though20:24
QuintasanI know that20:24
QuintasanLOL20:25
Quintasan"Nepomuk stopped indexing to save battery power"20:25
Quintasanon a PC?20:25
shadeslayer_Quintasan: 0_o20:28
Quintasanoh well20:28
shadeslayer_Quintasan: well it automatically stops after it thinks it has had enough20:28
Quintasanwhen I enable indexing it crashes20:28
Quintasan:S20:28
shadeslayer_no right click in systray here :|20:29
shadeslayer_and now plasma crashed20:29
Quintasanapachelogger: how much memory do you have in nepomuk's settings?20:29
apacheloggerdefault20:29
Quintasanmeaning?20:30
apacheloggerI dont know :P20:30
tsimpsondefault is 50MB iirc20:30
apachelogger5020:30
Quintasanhmm20:30
QuintasanI have that too20:30
ryanakcaRiddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntututorialdays20:31
Quintasanapachelogger: one more thing, any idea for what sake we have microblogging resource in akonadi?20:36
apacheloggerQuintasan: to expose microblog data to all akonadi enabled apps20:37
apacheloggere.g. enable nepomuk to index microblog data too20:37
QuintasanI can't even think of use for it20:37
apacheloggerchoqok?20:38
apacheloggerkorganizer20:38
Quintasanit uses nepomuk?20:38
apacheloggerit=?20:38
Quintasanchoqok20:38
apacheloggerwell, no, it doesnt need to :P20:38
apacheloggerthe point being, if you have akonadi eat your microblag data, nepomuk can eat them via akonadi, hence you get nepomuks access withou choqok ever noticing20:39
Quintasanso, why one would like to INDEX it?20:39
apacheloggerbecause it is semantic data that can be part of a large relation :P20:39
QuintasanI don't like choqok, I like microblogging plasmoid now20:40
Quintasansimply works20:40
apacheloggerlike you could download a pic that was microblag'd, without knowing what post that was etc. etc. you cannot build a context20:40
apacheloggerand without context it is not semantic20:40
apacheloggerhence you need to have nepomuk get access to resources for the context (i.e. the microblogs you flow/publish)20:41
Quintasanthe thing I currently don't like about nepomuk that there is no easy way to export ur tags in case something gets broken20:41
QuintasanI just can't imagine the horror of tagging mah shit once more20:41
apacheloggercopy the repository :P20:41
Quintasanagain*20:41
Quintasanapachelogger: yeah, that's intuitive way for new users :)20:42
apacheloggerwell20:42
apacheloggerthat is a question of general attitude20:42
apacheloggereither you only deploy software of sufficient quality that data loss will not happen20:42
apacheloggeror you do not do that and provide the means to secure data before loss occurs20:43
apacheloggerit would appear to me that nepomuk is more of the former sort whereas akonadi is of the latter20:43
Quintasandata loss will hapen inevitably20:43
Quintasanunless you do regular backups which is not the case for almost 90% of users :)20:44
apacheloggergenerally speaking every sensible DBMS will have the means to prevent and counteract data/integrity loss20:44
apacheloggerdunno if virtuoso is sensible in this regard ^^20:44
Quintasanman this whole sematic sound soo future like that I can't imagine it working20:45
* apachelogger is wondeirng if KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalog(d->desktopGroup.readEntry("X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain")); will work20:45
QuintasanI mean, it will require tons of effort from users to tag their crap and such20:45
apacheloggertags are but a minor fraction of semantics20:47
apacheloggerin fact most of the semantics currently collected/used by nepomuk is of the under-the-hood kind20:47
apacheloggerlike say automagically reading the tags of an mp320:47
apacheloggerthat does not require user interaction20:48
apacheloggerthen you can have an audio player hooked up with nepomuk and have it feed playback statistics to nepomuk (amount of playbacks, time of playbacks, abort after n minutes etc.)20:49
apacheloggerand that already builds a massive context for an mp3 I suppose20:49
Quintasanthat's only for mp320:49
QuintasanI think it would work for source code too20:49
Quintasanlike searching for license keywords20:49
Quintasan:P20:49
apacheloggeradditionally you of course have generic origin contexts such as "ripped from CD on $DATE" etc.20:50
apacheloggerQuintasan: you are again thinking active instead of passive20:50
apacheloggerthe audio player can then recommend music to you based on the contexts20:50
apacheloggerlike when you where listening to some ac/dc stuff you did not like to listen to faithless after that but each and every time you listened completely through the red hot chilly pepers20:51
Quintasanwell I whine because it doesn't work the way I would like it too, but it is in constant development so I belive things will improve over the time20:52
apacheloggeror maybe in the 30 times you listened to a long december from the counting crows you manually added a song from moby 28 times20:52
apacheloggerthere are loads of associations you can draw from just the information aggregated by an audio player20:53
shadeslayer_apachelogger: should i put get-orig-source: stuff at the end of debian/rules ?20:53
apacheloggershadeslayer_: usually, yes, doesnt really matter, though :)20:53
apacheloggerjust make it phony ^^20:53
shadeslayer_phony?20:54
shadeslayer_i have .PHONY: build clean binary-indep binary-arch binary install at the end20:54
apacheloggerkubotu: google makefile phony20:54
kubotuResults for makefile phony: 1. Phony targets: http://makepp.sourceforge.net/1.18/t_phony.html | 2. Makefile Howto - Waikato Linux Users Group: http://www.wlug.org.nz/MakefileHowto | 3. Phony Targets - GNU `make': http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Phony-Targets.html20:54
shadeslayer_apachelogger: ah ok,so i add the get orig stuff after .PHONY20:55
apacheloggerno20:55
apacheloggerbefre20:55
shadeslayer_oph20:55
apacheloggeryou just add it to your .PHONY list20:55
shadeslayer_ahhh20:55
shadeslayer_probably before build20:56
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/CgBZBDCL20:57
shadeslayer_apachelogger: wrong link : http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/R5ZmbPzZ20:58
apacheloggeroha20:58
Quintasanurgh20:58
Quintasanmanging tags from dolphin is pita20:58
QuintasanEdit... disappears somewhere in the panel :/20:58
apacheloggershadeslayer_: you should really beat up upstream for distributing dirty zips20:58
shadeslayer_apachelogger: heh.. theyre all japanese.. :PO20:59
apacheloggerso they are allowed to distribute dirty source trees? :P20:59
shadeslayer_hehe 21:00
apacheloggershadeslayer_: technically your versoin should reflect the tree change using a +repack1 suffix or something21:00
shadeslayer_no,it means i cant really contact them and get my message across21:00
apacheloggerbecause we are not distributing original source21:00
shadeslayer_apachelogger: yeah were using +ds21:00
apacheloggershadeslayer_: they do not speak english?21:00
shadeslayer_ds == debian source21:00
apacheloggerkk21:01
shadeslayer_apachelogger: dont think so,their google code page is all japanese21:01
shadeslayer_apachelogger: what do you think of line 26?21:01
KRFapachelogger: *bling*21:01
apacheloggeroi!21:01
* apachelogger huggles KRF up to danger of suffocation21:02
apacheloggershadeslayer_: that does not mean they do not speak english :P21:02
apacheloggershadeslayer_: what about line 26?21:03
shadeslayer_apachelogger: lintian complains about using dh_prep instead21:03
Quintasanshadeslayer_: I think persia knows Japanese21:03
Quintasanask him to shout at them21:04
shadeslayer_Quintasan: oh good... ill catch him :P21:04
apacheloggerdh_prep is new I think21:05
apacheloggershadeslayer_: what is the particular complaint?21:05
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=831921:05
shadeslayer_comment 221:05
shadeslayer_um.. s/2/321:05
shadeslayer_W: qipmsg source: dh-clean-k-is-deprecated 21:06
apacheloggeraight21:06
apacheloggershadeslayer_: use the dh_prep then :P21:06
shadeslayer_apachelogger: ftbfs :P21:07
QuintasanWell, I'm going to bed21:07
QuintasanNight guys21:07
shadeslayer_Quintasan: bye21:07
apacheloggershadeslayer_: maybe you are using it wrongly then :P21:07
shadeslayer_probably ><21:07
shadeslayer_where should it come?21:07
shadeslayer_oh my... i removed dh_prep and still ftbfs :P21:08
apacheloggerwhat is the errorly?21:10
shadeslayer_one sec.. i just placed it below dh_clean...21:10
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/4zEsfjBP21:11
apacheloggeromg the doctor is stranded !21:12
macodid you just watch saturday's episode?21:12
macowait no21:12
macoyou're a week behind21:12
shadeslayer_hehe :P21:12
shadeslayer_Doctor Who? ( im guessing :P )21:12
macoyes of course21:12
ulyssesPandorica opened \o/21:13
apacheloggeromg!21:13
apacheloggerpizza booze telly21:13
apacheloggerwhat a wonderful plan21:13
* apachelogger schedules that for next year august 21:13
apacheloggermaco: I am yeah21:14
apacheloggertoo much work to watch the last week21:14
macopizza booze telly are impossible dates for me21:14
macocant eat cheese, dont drink alcohol, dont own a telly21:14
* apachelogger can only eat little amounts of cheese and does not own a telly either ^^21:15
macobut you make up for it with the booze?21:16
apacheloggeryeah21:16
apacheloggerI am a drinker now, thanks to kde mm+edu sprint \o/21:16
shadeslayer_haha :P21:16
* apachelogger blames it all on some organizer how happened to constanly urge us to drink more :P21:16
apacheloggershadeslayer_: well, to me it looks like not dh_prep is at fault but something is wrong with your other rules (probably in context of debhelper 7)21:17
shadeslayer_hmm21:17
ScottKapachelogger: Aiming for palmer peak?21:24
shtylmanprobly meant balmer peak21:25
ScottKshtylman: I did.  Thanks.21:28
apacheloggerScottK: does never work21:29
apacheloggerI begin to think that balmer peak might be a legend after all21:29
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ScottKNCommander: On the off chance you need a break from kdebindings: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50705371/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdeedu_4:4.4.85-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz22:31
ScottKWhere's the place to be in free blogging services these days?23:10
Riddellkdedevelopers.org23:10
* ScottK just found out that his web host no longer supports any software for that at all.23:10
Riddellwell probably not, it's quite limited, but works for me23:11
NightroseScottK: wordpress.com if you don't host it yourself23:11
ScottKNightrose: I'm not interested in self hosting anything that needs such frequent security updates.  Thanks.23:12
Nightroseheh i'm actually pretty pleased with it23:13
Nightrosebut anyway on wordpress.com they host it for you23:13
Nightrosealternative would be blogger23:13
Nightroseand livejournal which i personally find rather meh though23:13

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