| alex_mayorga | is the alpha usable? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| alex_mayorga | !know-issues | 00:15 |
| alex_mayorga | !known | 00:16 |
| arand | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#KnownIssues I guess... | 00:27 |
| alex_mayorga | arand: thanks is it usable? | 00:37 |
| Sensiva | alex_mayorga note that alpha2 will be out in 10 days or so, so that list isn't really "all" known issues | 00:37 |
| Sensiva | Usable has many relative definitions | 00:38 |
| arand | Well, it has quirks, but I would claim it usable.. The kvm I maintain hasn't failed me yet, but I don't get much hardware issues though I guess... | 00:39 |
| arand | And it's been up since, hmm, somewhere pre-alpha.. | 00:40 |
| alex_mayorga | arand, Sensiva: thanks I also use pre alpha most of the times with no major hiccups | 00:41 |
| alex_mayorga | if I'm on 10.04 how do I backup my bluetooth config before jumping in? | 00:41 |
| Daekdroom | I installed 10.04LTS when it was Alpha 3 and it was alright. Still haven't done the 10.10 update because my ISP cut my bandwidth down to 140kbps | 00:41 |
| Sensiva | alex_mayorga that's something to be asked in #Ubuntu | 00:42 |
| alex_mayorga | Daekdroom: shame, what's their logic? | 00:44 |
| Daekdroom | alex_mayorga, 2 day delay on the payment | 00:44 |
| Daekdroom | And it'll take them 4 to get my speed back | 00:44 |
| Daekdroom | It totally looks like they don't know, let's say, SQL | 00:45 |
| alex_mayorga | Sensiva: did that change on meerkat? | 00:45 |
| Sensiva | alex_mayorga I don't know, I didn't test maverick yet :D | 00:46 |
| Daekdroom | alex_mayorga, either way you can backup the folder in your /home/ | 00:46 |
| alex_mayorga | trying to find the bluetooth MAC address of a cell phone that was robbed :( | 00:47 |
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| DanaG | !find liblzmadec.so | 05:14 |
| ubottu | Package/file liblzmadec.so does not exist in maverick | 05:14 |
| DanaG | argh. | 05:15 |
| Ian_corne | anyone know if the battery icon will ever display the "fullness" of the battery again? | 08:26 |
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| Fudge | loL | 10:58 |
| hrw | hi | 11:07 |
| hrw | is it normal that when pulseaudio is running then any alsa application cannot play? | 11:10 |
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| edgy | Hi, with the latest updates I lost my wifi, any hint please? | 13:03 |
| edgy | AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter | 13:06 |
| edgy | 2.6.35-4-generic #5-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 16 20:42:35 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 13:06 |
| arand | edgy: Report a bug. Try booting the older kernel -> confirming it's a kernel issue. | 13:11 |
| arand | Or otherwise, see if yo can find the package in question and report agains that. | 13:11 |
| edgy | arand: somehow I have only one kernel now, looking via synaptics I cannot find an old kernel. | 13:15 |
| edgy | arand: though there is linux-image-2.6.32-305-ec2 which I guess not a regular kernel? | 13:15 |
| arand | Nah, that's for EC2, (Amozon cloud iirc) | 13:16 |
| bjsnider | edgy, you should be using the ath9k driver for your card | 13:19 |
| arand | From https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory You can get the individual builds, e.g. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-3.4/+build/1792286 But I'd follow bjsnider's directions first. | 13:20 |
| edgy | $ lsmod |grep ath | 13:22 |
| edgy | ath9k 101378 0 | 13:22 |
| edgy | bjsnider: you see it's already loaded | 13:22 |
| bjsnider | yeah, so if you then do iwlist wlan0 scan | 13:22 |
| edgy | bjsnider: $ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | 13:24 |
| edgy | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down | 13:24 |
| bjsnider | try modprobe -r ath9k, then modprobe ath9k | 13:24 |
| bjsnider | also, dmesg will probably have useful messages concerning the situation as it is developing thought he boot process | 13:26 |
| hrw | 1is it normal that when pulseaudio is running then any alsa application cannot play? | 13:29 |
| edgy | bjsnider: let me reboot and retry again | 13:29 |
| hrw | edgy: "ifconfig wlan0 up" | 13:29 |
| bjsnider | hrw, should be quite the opposite | 13:35 |
| gnomefreak | cd MetaBot | 14:44 |
| gnomefreak | damn | 14:45 |
| Pici | wow | 14:45 |
| jpds | Hmm. | 14:45 |
| patdk-wk | freaking spam | 14:45 |
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| Oli``` | What do people use for the UI mocks like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu ? | 15:27 |
| gnomefreak | Oli```: in what version of Ubuntu? | 15:32 |
| Oli``` | gnomefreak: Any. I'm talking about the picture at the top, not any of the detail on that page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cases.png | 15:32 |
| Oli``` | Or is somebody hand-drawing on a wacom (or scanning)? | 15:33 |
| gnomefreak | Oli```: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu-offtopic | 15:33 |
| gnomefreak | i use the first one | 15:34 |
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| Ian_corne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/596918 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 596918 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Copy dialog remains after copy is finished" [Undecided,New] | 16:09 |
| patdk-wk | oh ya, I should try defrag again, now that I'm back :) | 16:22 |
| Ian_corne | defrag? | 16:27 |
| patdk-wk | ya, test the e2fs defrag again | 16:32 |
| * gnomefreak would worry more about Maverick bugs than defrg | 16:36 | |
| gnomefreak | but hey thats just me | 16:36 |
| gnomefreak | it breaks your defrag means nothing | 16:36 |
| * gnomefreak gone for a bit | 16:38 | |
| patdk-wk | gnomefreak, well I haven't hit any bugs yet :) | 16:41 |
| patdk-wk | I'm sure it's just a matter of time though | 16:41 |
| duffydack | will btrfs be available in a daily soon? tomorrow? | 17:02 |
| yofel | the installer should already show it believing https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-btrfs-support | 17:05 |
| duffydack | not seeing it | 17:12 |
| holstein | the alternate installer? | 17:12 |
| duffydack | desktop.. no alt installer for daily | 17:13 |
| holstein | maybe btrfs is only an availalbe option from the alternate installer? | 17:14 |
| duffydack | i thought that but there is no alt for dailies, but I dont see why it wouldnt appear in desktop instaler.. | 17:16 |
| duffydack | ill zsync tomorrow | 17:16 |
| * holstein cant wait to kick the tires on btrfs :) | 17:17 | |
| arand | Nah, I checked the d-i and ubiquity changelogs right after the blueprint change and there was no mention in the change logs, so I guess it's at least a daily-cycle away from the recent announcement | 17:18 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | 19:55 |
| Ian_corne | something is seriously leaking | 19:59 |
| Ian_corne | noone else noticing this? | 19:59 |
| guntbert | Ian_corne: ?? | 20:00 |
| Ian_corne | I'm seeing memory usage of close to 100% (if i count swap too) and I can't figure it out, if I check the processes, it doesn't amount to what is actually used | 20:01 |
| patdk-wk | did you count kernel memory usage? | 20:04 |
| guntbert | Ian_corne: did you read http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ ? | 20:15 |
| Ian_corne | guntbert: | 20:18 |
| tsimpson | I like it, it has "Don't Panic!" written in large letters on the front cover | 20:18 |
| Ian_corne | it's not that | 20:18 |
| tsimpson | or is that the hitch-hikers guide I'm thinking of... | 20:19 |
| Ian_corne | http://pastebin.com/Mni0MfUx | 20:20 |
| patdk-wk | I don't see the issue | 20:20 |
| patdk-wk | that isn't very much ram usage | 20:20 |
| Ian_corne | yes it is | 20:20 |
| patdk-wk | how so? | 20:20 |
| Ian_corne | I start off with 150mb | 20:20 |
| Ian_corne | on a fresh boot | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | or sometimes with that | 20:21 |
| patdk-wk | with or without X/gnome/... | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | on a fresh boot | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | with | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | logged in | 20:21 |
| patdk-wk | mine uses 520megs, and I just rebooted | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | I only have 1gb | 20:21 |
| Daekdroom | I'm using lucid and it uses 190MB post reboot | 20:21 |
| Ian_corne | how much do you have? | 20:21 |
| Daekdroom | (not counting cache) | 20:21 |
| patdk-wk | my maverick is used 520megs on boot | 20:21 |
| patdk-wk | now lucid server, is using 23megs on boot :) | 20:22 |
| Ian_corne | patdk-wk: how much do you have in total? | 20:23 |
| Ian_corne | my lucid box uses 800mb but it has 8gb | 20:23 |
| patdk-wk | 1gig | 20:23 |
| Daekdroom | Using 520megs after a boot is really leaking >.> | 20:23 |
| Ian_corne | idd | 20:23 |
| patdk-wk | daekdroom, by definition, that isn't leaking :) | 20:23 |
| patdk-wk | just large :) | 20:23 |
| Ian_corne | if you add up the % number in for example htop | 20:23 |
| Ian_corne | does it add up? | 20:24 |
| Ian_corne | it doesn't for me | 20:24 |
| Daekdroom | Kernel doesn't show up there, Ian_corne | 20:24 |
| Daekdroom | patdk-wk, 64bits or 32bits? | 20:24 |
| Ian_corne | I'm at 32 bit | 20:24 |
| Ian_corne | oh Daekdroom | 20:24 |
| Ian_corne | how can i see that then? | 20:24 |
| patdk-wk | 32bit | 20:24 |
| patdk-wk | Ian_corne, you do know it should never really add-up | 20:26 |
| Ian_corne | any way to see the usage of the kernel? | 20:26 |
| Ian_corne | patdk-wk: I didn't know the kernel didn't show up | 20:26 |
| Ian_corne | And now it happened after a suspend | 20:26 |
| patdk-wk | well, also, shared memory doesn't show up | 20:26 |
| Ian_corne | graphics? | 20:26 |
| patdk-wk | so you will show shared memory as being used by each program, making it larger | 20:26 |
| patdk-wk | no | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | any kind of shared memory not using shm's or whatever it is | 20:27 |
| Ian_corne | so the % should overshoot the actuall number? | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | % | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | I dunno what you mean | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | I don't use htop | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | I use ps | 20:27 |
| Ian_corne | ps also shows % | 20:27 |
| Ian_corne | of memory used | 20:28 |
| patdk-wk | not for me it doesn't | 20:28 |
| patdk-wk | ps shows ram used, not % | 20:28 |
| Ian_corne | $ ps aux | 20:28 |
| Ian_corne | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND | 20:28 |
| patdk-wk | mine is undershooting big time | 20:30 |
| patdk-wk | but I don't think I have much running that is sharing ram | 20:30 |
| patdk-wk | now if I was to start a php-apc with a few hundred megs of cache :) | 20:30 |
| patdk-wk | it should be >100% | 20:30 |
| Ian_corne | underhsooting for me too | 20:30 |
| patdk-wk | probably >500% | 20:30 |
| Ian_corne | but the problem is that it undershoot | 20:30 |
| Ian_corne | so the kernel is leaking? | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | no | 20:31 |
| Ian_corne | because that's the only thing that doesn't show | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | ps doesn't show ram used by the kernel at all | 20:31 |
| Ian_corne | well then | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | just cause you don't measure it doesn't mean it's leaking | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | and on a boot | 20:31 |
| Ian_corne | the other things aren't abnormally high | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | it's not leaking | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | leaking means the longer it runs the more it uses | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | mine was running for >2weeks, no ram usage increase | 20:31 |
| Ian_corne | are you telling me you don't believe me? | 20:32 |
| Ian_corne | I'm just reporting what I notice | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | I'm telling you I don't believe the words you are using is correct | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | you are saying ram is leaking | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | but everything you have shown, says it isn't | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | high ram usage, yes | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | leaking ram, no | 20:32 |
| Ian_corne | http://pastebin.com/xmegY68P | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | so something is memory hogging | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | at the kernel level | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | this is a fresh boot, logged in and terminal launched | 20:35 |
| Ian_corne | going to try and suspend now | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | heh? | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | that says 148megs used? | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | that is almost nothing | 20:36 |
| Ian_corne | yes patdk-wk | 20:36 |
| Ian_corne | This is a fairly clean install | 20:37 |
| patdk-wk | so your system is acting completely different from mine | 20:37 |
| patdk-wk | so if yours grows, then it could be a leak | 20:37 |
| patdk-wk | mine, on fresh boot used 500megs :) | 20:37 |
| Ian_corne | i suspended and nothing changed | 20:37 |
| patdk-wk | so mine isn't a leak, or atleast I can't replicate your leak on my system | 20:37 |
| Ian_corne | i'm really woried by this | 20:37 |
| Ian_corne | since it's not often but when it happens, it makes the system pretty slow | 20:38 |
| Ian_corne | and was present on -3 and -4 | 20:38 |
| funkyHat | :/ mysql isn't running on startup for some reason | 20:39 |
| patdk-wk | heh? -3 and -4? | 20:39 |
| Ian_corne | kernel versions | 20:40 |
| patdk-wk | strange | 20:40 |
| patdk-wk | rebooted again, only using 200megs | 20:40 |
| Ian_corne | see | 20:40 |
| patdk-wk | I wonder if ureadahead didn't actually flush out or something | 20:40 |
| Ian_corne | something is hogging :( | 20:41 |
| patdk-wk | well, I just did some upgrades before the last reboot | 20:41 |
| alex_mayorga | "To upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box" doesn't work is that a known issue? | 22:25 |
| gnomefreak | alex_mayorga: it worked for me the last 3 or 4 times i did it | 22:26 |
| * gnomefreak didnt try today and dont plan on it | 22:27 | |
| alex_mayorga | gnomefreak: thanks, maybe it's just me :( | 22:27 |
| gnomefreak | alex_mayorga: open terminal and try it. there is also do-upgrades or something like that | 22:27 |
| Daekdroom | do-system-upgrade | 22:29 |
| Daekdroom | wait, do-release-upgrade | 22:29 |
| Daekdroom | Yeah, that | 22:29 |
| alex_mayorga | looks like the laptop prefers to stay on 10.04 got "No new release found" | 22:35 |
| arand | Both commands should have the -d appendage, and the second needs sudo, iirc.. | 22:35 |
| arand | And you need to specify that it accepts non-LTS releases for upgrade targets | 22:35 |
| alex_mayorga | arand: that's it System > Software sources Updates tab | 22:37 |
| arand | Indeed | 22:37 |
| * sebsebseb is being slightly clever | 22:37 | |
| alex_mayorga | there's release upgrade | 22:37 |
| Ian_corne | arand: is correct! | 22:38 |
| alex_mayorga | and long term was selected there | 22:38 |
| gnomefreak | Ian_corne: yes. LTS is default for now | 22:38 |
| Daekdroom | So, will I be able to download the whole Lucid --> Maverick upgrade during, let's say 12 hours @ 18kbps? | 22:38 |
| Daekdroom | KB/s | 22:38 |
| alex_mayorga | so I guess http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#UpgradingFromUbuntu1004LTS needs a bit of rewording | 22:38 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: thats depands on alot of things | 22:39 |
| arand | I wonder how a non-gnome/nox system does that, if it even has the ability to lock anything but LTS-upgrading | 22:39 |
| Daekdroom | gnomefreak, I'll try a do-release-upgrade --sandbox so I can check on how large it is.. | 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | So downloading and installing the latest updates using the update manager program wasn't working, so I am updating through Synaptic instead and no problem :) | 22:39 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: also need to relize that your connection speed is never what they say it is and changes alot | 22:40 |
| Daekdroom | Are there any future system breakages expected? | 22:40 |
| gnomefreak | yes alot | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: of course | 22:40 |
| Daekdroom | gnomefreak, yeah. But it usually stays constant at 18KB/s when I'm doing nothing but a single download. | 22:40 |
| gnomefreak | X being one of the bigger ones | 22:40 |
| Daekdroom | So X is still not up to date? O.o | 22:40 |
| alex_mayorga | guess I better click "Cancel" huh? :) | 22:41 |
| alex_mayorga | is X unusable? | 22:41 |
| gnomefreak | alex_mayorga: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal; launch the upgrade << is right | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | Don't run 10.10 development | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | on a machine | 22:41 |
| Daekdroom | I <3 system breakage, but I can't afford to have it broken right now due to low bandwidth xD | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | your going to use for actsual computing | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | unless its in a virtual machine of course | 22:41 |
| gnomefreak | thats how you do it using editor rather than software-sources | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | or your an actsaull bug tester, or developer, then yeah maybe | 22:41 |
| Daekdroom | or you like living on the edge! | 22:42 |
| arand | alex_mayorga: Indeed, although the "editor /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" instruction should work on a GUI system as well I reckon. | 22:42 |
| Daekdroom | Oh wait, bug tester.. | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: been there done that | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: about four times now with Ubuntu | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | and then regreted it later | 22:42 |
| Daekdroom | I think I always did early updates.. | 22:42 |
| gnomefreak | using the GUI changes that file so it is exact same thing | 22:42 |
| arand | I'm not whom one would contact regarding the release notes though.. | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: well I would be like oh I am going to do it when the first beta comes out, but then nope, I get an alpha instead | 22:42 |
| gnomefreak | might i suggest do not upgrade if you need a non broken system | 22:43 |
| alex_mayorga | quick survey to people on this channel: how broke is it if any | 22:43 |
| Daekdroom | Huh, doesn't boot up as it should? | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: don't have this issue anymore though, since in November I switched to Mandriva :) so yeah, virtual machine trying | 22:43 |
| Daekdroom | Fall into a BusyBox or command line. | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | and I am probably going to keep the other computer on 10.04, and skip 10.10, since it seems its not going to offer me anything proper that I want | 22:44 |
| Daekdroom | Oh well, I guess I should wait for decent internet and stability.. | 22:44 |
| arand | sebsebseb: You mean you don't like butter? | 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | arand: uhmm? | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | arand: I don't like junk features, there will be more of those in 10.10 | 22:45 |
| alex_mayorga | sebsebseb: namely? | 22:45 |
| arand | sebsebseb: btrfs for pete's sake! | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | windicators will probably be one of them | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | arand: thats a maybe | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | last time I read | 22:45 |
| arand | It will be optional | 22:45 |
| Daekdroom | It should be in the next daily image, shouldn't it? | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | arand: and if its not default, it won't be quite stable I geuss | 22:46 |
| arand | Should be available for install in the coming dailies... | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | however thats how things were with Ext4 in 9.04 | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | and it worked great for me | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | arand: I have been thinking about btrfs, but that probably won't really offer me enough of a reason to do a clean install on other computer and do 10.10 | 22:47 |
| Daekdroom | How better is btrfs over reiser and ext4? | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | for example snapshots do I need that? nice feature, but do I need it nah, once I am set up with an install, it will work well for ages | 22:47 |
| arand | But, yea, I won't be running it as my root fs I don't think. | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: so Gnome 3, I am wondering about that. I know it won't be in the default install in 10.10, but still can get it from the repos? and I don't mean just the shell | 22:48 |
| arand | I just used snapshotting to backup my current ubuntu on LVM online, and if I can have more of that, I'm sure not complaining.. | 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | arand: yeah alpha 2 with optional btfs support? | 22:49 |
| arand | I've never really understood what gnome3 is more than the shell. | 22:50 |
| arand | The Task Pooper? | 22:50 |
| Daekdroom | arand, deprecated Lib GTK+ functions are out | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | arand: the shell is the user interface, and then theres stuff under the hood as well, of course | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: yes from what I read it seems, 11.04 and 11.10 will be used to well get Gnome 3 ready for 12.04 as default | 22:51 |
| arand | Well deprecation isn't really exciting features, as such :/ | 22:51 |
| Daekdroom | KDE 4 transition was much more.. ehh... faster o.o | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | anyway btrfs read a little about it, but what does it actsaully ofer? the snapshots so can easilly get the system to how it was right, but what else? | 22:52 |
| arand | I read something about gnome-settings replacing gconf... I fear a great spring clean might be in the works there, pray it isn't... | 22:52 |
| Daekdroom | Is it faster than ext4 (other than in SSDs) | 22:52 |
| bjsnider | sebsebseb, from a ppa | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | bjsnider: uhmm? | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | bjsnider: for what? | 22:52 |
| Daekdroom | GNOME 3 @ maverick | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: ? | 22:53 |
| gnomefreak | gnome 3 is released as of this moment in sept. think 2.31.3 IIRC will be 3.0 | 22:53 |
| * gnomefreak not here atm | 22:53 | |
| arand | Daekdroom: Btrfs, no, it's the features, snapshotting, compression... | 22:53 |
| bjsnider | sebsebseb, gnome 3 | 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | bjsnider: what got to install it from a ppa? I mean in the stable 10.10 | 22:53 |
| Daekdroom | sebsebseb, GNOME 3 for 10.10 will be aviable in a PPA | 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | why ppa not repos? | 22:54 |
| Daekdroom | PPA IS a type of repo? | 22:54 |
| bjsnider | it's not ready for prime time | 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | bjsnider: uhmm | 22:54 |
| Daekdroom | Ah, you meant inside the official repos. :P | 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | bjsnider: they put KDE 4.0 in the 8.04 repos | 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | when KDE 4 wasn't really ready | 22:54 |
| bjsnider | i'm sure they regret that | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: yes the offical repos | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | anyway if ther is a ppa of Gnome 3 for 10.10 I guess there will be for 10.04 as well :) | 22:55 |
| Daekdroom | So, should I expect 11.04 to be a Frankenstain mixing 2.3x and Gnome 3? :P | 22:55 |
| Daekdroom | *frankenstein | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: I think so yeah, from what I read | 22:56 |
| arand | I reckon there will be a snapshot of the reasonably stable-yet-incomplete gnome3 stuff in the repos, which frequent upgrades are supplied through PPAs Like gnome-shell is currently. | 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: arand bjsnider http://markmail.org/message/fibykjxp5ztlgixk | 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | http://markmail.org/message/fibykjxp5ztlgixk :) | 22:58 |
| Daekdroom | That's... aggressive? | 23:01 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: no PPA for gnome | 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: for 10.04? | 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: or 10.10 as well? | 23:02 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: none at all | 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | why not? | 23:02 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: we do not provide builds for major meta packages | 23:03 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: everything has to be rebuilt | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | indeed Gnome 3 is a big change | 23:03 |
| gnomefreak | everything == EVERYTHING!!!!!!! | 23:03 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: gnome == huge package | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | pluss a lot of people in the Ubuntu community who have tried the shell aren't that keen on it at the moment | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: right so yeah 11.04 and 11.10 will be used to get Gnome 3 ready for default in 12.04? When is it likely to become default instead of Gnome 2? | 23:04 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: no that is way too far | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | right so no Gnome 3 at all for 10.10, unless people install it in some completly unsupported way them selves? | 23:05 |
| gnomefreak | see http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ | 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | I have been on that before | 23:05 |
| gnomefreak | if not 10.10 it will land in 11.04 but i havent talked to desktop team about this since last cycle | 23:06 |
| gnomefreak | brb let me check somehting | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: ok I guess that link has been updated or something, I think I went on that before | 23:07 |
| gnomefreak | it was when they pushed it back to sept | 23:08 |
| gnomefreak | IIRC it was set for august | 23:08 |
| gnomefreak | IIRC our freeze is early Sept. | 23:09 |
| gnomefreak | at least the last one is | 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: Will 10.10 be using Gnome 2.30 like 10.04? | 23:09 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: we should get higher but until i find a blueprint or get answered from the desktop devs i wont know for sure | 23:10 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: as it stands we will use at least 2.32 in final (following past releases) we have never released same gnome version to more than one release | 23:11 |
| gnomefreak | s/will/should | 23:11 |
| gnomefreak | join the mailing list and find out :) | 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: I thought 2.32 was Gnome 3? as for the mailing list, yeah maybe, if I had the thing to join, but I know can also read them online after woulds | 23:12 |
| gnomefreak | we seem to freeze august 12th not sure if gnome will get an extension on that | 23:13 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: 2.31.91 since gnome pushed back releases im not sure | 23:13 |
| gnomefreak | .92 even is gnome3 | 23:14 |
| * gnomefreak trying to think what we had in karmic | 23:14 | |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: Gnome 2.28 | 23:14 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: than as long as we stay on track we should ship with 2.31.90 or so | 23:15 |
| gnomefreak | if not 3 it will be close. im not sure if it will be able to be pushed as an exeption | 23:15 |
| Daekdroom | Bleh. Things sound so bad right when they decide to release Ubuntu on a early day in the month... :( | 23:16 |
| Daekdroom | Atleast they won't have to name it 10.11 if it gets delayed. | 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | Thats a point its coming out early as well | 23:16 |
| Daekdroom | I thought the point was getting it released 10/10/10 | 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: so 10.10 will have nearly Gnome 3 probably, and with the old look? | 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: yes it is | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | 2.30 is filan release | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | final | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | PPA may be opened for upgrades as im told | 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: 2.30 is what 10.04 uses | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | 2.30 with select updates will be default in 10.10 due to the push upstream did | 23:18 |
| gnomefreak | talked with seb about this a minute ago | 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: select updates? | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: yes | 23:19 |
| Daekdroom | Ooo. So we're literally halfway to Gnome 3. Paralel worlds are coliding! | 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | what does that mean | 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | exactly | 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | some of the packages? will be 3.0 basically? | 23:19 |
| Daekdroom | sebsebseb, some stuff are going GNOME 3-esque, some aren't. | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: might chreey pick updates from newer release | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: no not 3.0 | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | 3.0 might be in a PPA or it will land in 11.04 as it stands | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | key word is MIGHT | 23:20 |
| Daekdroom | gnomefreak, are they going to compile new versions of the apps against LibGTK+2, is that it? | 23:20 |
| DanaG | hmm, this new Unity thingy is weird... | 23:20 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: off hand i dont know but not likely if i remeber this topic | 23:20 |
| DanaG | try moving mouse left, right, left... onto and off of the thing over and over. | 23:20 |
| DanaG | The behavior seems non-constant... sometimes the tiles fold, sometimes they don't. | 23:20 |
| gnomefreak | its late in the day and just about off work so my ind needs a rest | 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ind? | 23:21 |
| gnomefreak | send an email to the ubuntu-dev-disscuss list | 23:21 |
| Daekdroom | mind? | 23:22 |
| gnomefreak | more info can be found http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha1#GNOME | 23:22 |
| gnomefreak | not much mind you | 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: anyway seems like | 23:22 |
| * gnomefreak not a gnome dev but i am for Mozilla for the most part | 23:23 | |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 3.0 stable comes out just before 10.10 stable | 23:23 |
| DanaG | Oh, and I don't like having my panel forcibly locked down. :( | 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | so even if 10.10 wanted it, woudn't be that realistic | 23:23 |
| gnomefreak | just after our frezze about 1 month after our freeze | 23:23 |
| gnomefreak | right. its upstreams fault :) | 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: oh I was thinking Ubuntu Gnome dev since the name and such, but nope | 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah Firefox :) | 23:23 |
| gnomefreak | not saying i wont be one day but have very little interst in gnome dev at this time | 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | why? | 23:24 |
| DanaG | I wonder... how much would it help things to shift the Ubuntu cycle downwards 1 month? So, 10.11 instead of 10.10. | 23:25 |
| * gnomefreak seamonkey sunbird/lightning maitainer until this dev cycle i am taking time off from packaging | 23:25 | |
| crdlb | DanaG: fedora wouldn't like that | 23:25 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: that is a big deal. we did that with dapper and it is hell | 23:25 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 23:25 |
| gnomefreak | DanaG: ^^^ | 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: uhmm Dapper was dealyed | 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | delayed | 23:25 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: yes | 23:25 |
| gnomefreak | 6.06? | 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | altough I don't know why | 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | and yes 6.06 instead of 6.04 | 23:26 |
| gnomefreak | i do | 23:26 |
| DanaG | You mean about competition, or do Fedora and Ubuntu grab from each other? | 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: why was it delayed then? | 23:26 |
| gnomefreak | major changes but lets try to stay on topic of support+10.10 | 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | DanaG: Fedora is meant to be a bit more cutting edge than Ubuntu | 23:26 |
| DanaG | s/cutting/bleeding/ =รพ | 23:26 |
| DanaG | And fedora says not to dist-upgrade. =/ | 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | 23:27 |
| gnomefreak | please dont tell anyone but this channel is only support for 10.10 please move over to #ubuntu-offtopic (one door down to right) | 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: You got op here don't you? | 23:29 |
| gnomefreak | sebsebseb: yes | 23:29 |
| DanaG | yeah, anyway, I'm done with off-topic now. | 23:31 |
| DanaG | say, how's support for btrfs? | 23:32 |
| arand | DanaG: Not in daily yet, I don't think, but soonish. | 23:33 |
| gnomefreak | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/20-chances-to-get-btrfs-in-ubuntu-1010.html | 23:34 |
| gnomefreak | even better from one of our devs http://www.netsplit.com/2010/05/14/btrfs-by-default-in-maverick/ | 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | Hrm I don't seem to have the new sound thing after those updates, and I don't feel like doing alpha 1 in a vm again, so I guess i'll get it when I do a alpha 2 vm, and with btrfs of course | 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | if its an option | 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | Not really a feature I am interested in the sound applet, but wanted to try after reading about it and that. | 23:38 |
| gnomefreak | new sound (thing)? | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | gnomefreak: yes apparantly | 23:39 |
| gnomefreak | what new sound thing? | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | I mean a newer sound applet | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-1010s-new-sound-menu-starts-to.html | 23:40 |
| gnomefreak | and it is? do you have a link about it? | 23:40 |
| gnomefreak | thankis | 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-1010s-new-sound-menu-starts-to.html | 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | I wasn't even going to test with sound in the vm though, so in a way a bit pointless to just see from the panel. | 23:42 |
| gnomefreak | mine did change this morning but seems back to normal | 23:42 |
| arand | Well last thing about btrfs is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030918.html | 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | arand: yes it might be default in 10.10 | 23:42 |
| arand | Not likely, as per above. | 23:43 |
| Daekdroom | Good lord. | 23:44 |
| Daekdroom | It's so.. cluttered O.o | 23:44 |
| Daekdroom | Well, atleast it's not as bad as Vista's | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | arand: ok thats recent :) | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | I read the one before about how it might be default | 23:45 |
| arand | I do wonder which package to track in order to keep up with btrfs-installing, d-i? partman? | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | anyway it will be like XFS well not sure if XFS is still like this now | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but needing a /boot in Ext3 or something | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | arand: thanks for link though :) | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | so Ext4 by default in 10.10 basically | 23:48 |
| Daekdroom | Ext4 isn't that bad. | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | Ext4 really made a difference optionally in 9.04 | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then by default in 9.10 and 10.04 nope | 23:48 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, that whole "flat volumes is like Windows Vista" thing is wrong. | 23:51 |
| DanaG | er, maybe I should go to #offtopic for that | 23:51 |
| DanaG | er, ubuntu-offtopic. | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: going back to earlier, when you said thats aggressive after the link I gave out | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: well loads of people that use other distros, don't like the way Ubuntu is heading, with all this non upstream Gnome stuff, and that | 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: and that was a Redhat developer, or whatever it was. Also someone who doesn't like Ubuntu anymore, gave me that link the other day. | 23:54 |
| Daekdroom | Hm | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | (other day/night being a bit more exact) | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: I personally don't like it much myself, but can customize 10.04 to look like before so :D | 23:56 |
| Daekdroom | I haven't had much contact with any other ubuntu distro, so I'm sorta grounded on ubuntu. | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: you mean another distro | 23:56 |
| Daekdroom | Ah, yeah. | 23:56 |
| Daekdroom | Meant another distro indeed. | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | well loads of other good ones out there as well :) | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | 10.10 is apparantly going to get a new installer, that will be good :) | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but other then that well | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | more of these Gnome edits that I don't want, and a software centre probably replacing Synaptic and offering commercial apps, which I am ok with, but I won't be buying them. I also really like Synaptic and sure that can still be installed. | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | and it will probably be better on the netbook version, than on the desktop, so yeah thats why at the moment I am thinking to just stay on 10.04 on the other computer :) since its Long Term Support as well, three years of support on the desktop :D | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | not much point upgrading, if I am going to end up removing most of the actsaul features | 23:59 |
| Daekdroom | Ahh what? | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | Daekdroom: to what? | 23:59 |
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