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rohitnikocoolhow to delete older version of grub05:46
* ccheney just saw he has an all day long meeting tomorrow :-\05:50
TheMusoccheney: You have my sympathy.05:51
ccheneyhmm seems it might be pared back to be only 3 hours now, just got an updated email :)05:51
* ccheney hopes so, an 8.5 hr long meeting doesn't sound fun05:52
TheMusoNo05:55
baptistemmhello07:15
didrocksgood morning08:05
pittiGood morning08:23
didrocksguten morgen pitti08:27
pittihey didrocks, had a nice weekend?08:27
didrockspitti: yeah, it was fun, even if a little bit cold :)08:27
didrocksand you, pitti?08:27
pittirather quiet, but nice; did a bike tour, some shopping, and some gaming08:28
pittiFriday evening was the "Long night of Science" in Dresden's universities, which was great08:28
pittiI saw a demonstration of the high-voltage lab (nice flashes :) ), and went to a show debate of the Dresden Debating Union08:29
didrockssounds nice :)08:30
pittimvo: good morning! enjoyed your holidays?08:44
seb128hey pitti mvo08:56
pittibonjour seb12808:56
seb128how are you?08:56
didrockssalut seb128, bon week-end ?08:57
seb128lut didrocks08:58
seb128oui, et toi?08:58
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didrocksseb128: ça va, tranquillement :)08:58
mvohey pitti and seb128! yes, I much enjoyed my vacation08:59
seb128mvo, nice to have you back ;-)08:59
mvoseb128: thanks :)08:59
mvoseb128: I read throught my mail, its a *long* list of N in my mutt inbox :)09:00
seb128lol09:00
didrocksgood morning mvo, welcome back :-)09:01
seb128mvo, we got a new s-c uploaded but I had to hack since make check doesn't work without error, it fails on the history log check09:01
mvohey didrocks, thanks09:01
mvoseb128: aha, ok. I have a look09:01
mvoseb128: thanks for sponsoring it09:01
seb128mvo, yw09:01
mvoseb128: do you happen to have the exact error? it appears that tests are passing for me for some reason09:04
seb128mvo, let me check09:05
seb128could be that it got fixed since09:05
seb128[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/history.log'09:05
seb128...09:06
seb128"/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/debian_bundle/deb822.py", line 253, in iter_paragraphs09:06
seb128    for key in parser.Section.keys()]09:06
seb128KeyError: 'xxx-bogus-entry'09:06
seb128 09:06
seb128I had that09:06
seb128let me update my checkout09:06
seb128it's test_apthistory.py09:06
seb128mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/452831/09:07
mvoseb128: oh, thanks. I think this might be caused by a bug in python-debian actually09:07
seb128mvo, I'm on lucid if that makes any difference09:07
seb128didrocks, new evo tarballs are there, will you do the update?09:09
didrocksseb128: already began :)09:10
seb128ok nice09:10
seb128thanks09:10
didrocksyou're welcome :)09:10
seb128I'm still on lucid for some days09:10
seb128handling other .2 updates for lucid sru09:10
seb128then I can upgrade09:10
didrocksno worry, I'll try to integrate the express branch as well09:10
seb128you should do it in 2 uploads09:11
seb128one for the update09:11
seb128then one for the express backporting09:11
seb128will make easier to figure what breaks if something breaks09:11
didrocksok09:11
seb128will also give you some work done and uploaded rather than being stuck on backported express changes ;-)09:12
didrockssure :-)09:13
seb128Sarvatt, hi, how do you track xorg-edget ppa bugs usually? ie bug #59619209:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 596192 in cairo (Ubuntu) "[xorg-edgers] new libcairo2 1.9.9 fails to render correctly (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59619209:23
seb128robert_ancell, hey09:29
seb128robert_ancell, still there?09:29
seb128robert_ancell, do we really need your gobject-introspection changes to ship the everything typelib, seems the debian maintainer disagrees it should be distributed09:30
seb128ie http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=55047809:31
ubot2Debian bug 550478 in gobject-introspection "gobject-introspection: Please include the Everything-1.0 typelib" [Minor,Open]09:31
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:55
pittihey chrisccoulson, how are you?09:56
didrocksgood morning chrisccoulson09:56
chrisccoulsoni'm not too bad thanks pitti, although a bit sore from all the gardening at the weekend (and very sunburnt)09:56
chrisccoulsonhow are you?09:56
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, did you have a good weekend?09:56
pittichrisccoulson: had a rather lazy weekend; a bicycle tour and some shopping, and enjoying the long night of science on Friday09:57
didrockschrisccoulson: yeah, a great one. Nothing too fancy but enjoying Paris for last couple of months (hopefully!)09:57
chrisccoulsonpitti - sounds good. i think i will plan a lazy weekend this weekend :)09:57
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chrisccoulsondidrocks - you're leaving paris?09:57
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:59
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - how are you?09:59
seb128I'm great thanks09:59
seb128I had a lazy weekend but it's quite cold there10:00
seb128ie around 16°C yesterday10:00
didrockschrisccoulson: yeah, leaving Paris in September10:01
didrockswill try to buy something in Lyon10:01
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm not sure how warm it was here, but it must have been warmer than i thought it was ;)10:01
seb128hehe10:02
chrisccoulsondidrocks - one of my friends moved to lyon recently too10:02
seb128chrisccoulson, how is the firefox security update going otherwise?10:02
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i got the jaunty extensions done friday evening10:02
chrisccoulsonso, it's not going too badly :)10:03
didrockschrisccoulson: oh, is he enjoying the city?10:03
chrisccoulsondidrocks - yeah, he seems to be10:03
seb128chrisccoulson, did the hardy version go to security now?10:03
chrisccoulsonseb128 - not yet, i'm not sure if 3.6.4 has been released still (it wasn't on friday)10:04
seb128ok10:04
seb128let me know when it does ;-)10:04
seb128RAOF, hey10:04
seb128RAOF, do you know how the i8xx work is going?10:04
didrocksthe thing that made me hurry is that they added something like that just on the wall behind my bedroom: http://www.axo-media.com/edsys/uploaded/Haute%20Savoie/ANNEMASSE/Reseau%20Prestivision%20Bleu%20Franco-Suisse/Photo-reseau-transit.gif10:05
didrocksand the engine makes a lot of noise10:05
didrockseven in the night :/10:05
RAOFseb128: Chris Wilson did some hacking over the weekend; there's a branch on my system that builds and has the old, non-GEM EXA accel as a legacy option.10:05
seb128RAOF, is that still on track for alpha2?10:06
RAOFIt doesn't currently _work_ as such, but that shouldn't be alarmingly hard.10:07
seb128RAOF, or should be move items to alpha3?10:07
RAOFIt needs to be in the archive by Thursday for a2, doesn't it.10:07
seb128yes10:07
seb128well it's a new source for universe?10:07
seb128I guess it can be later on if it's not on the CD10:07
seb128ie next week10:08
RAOFIt's actually better and worse than a new source for universe.  It's re-adding the old code to the main driver.10:08
seb128oh, I see10:09
seb128seems better for users10:09
RAOFSo it's better in that (a) upstream is helping and (b) users get a good driver by default.10:09
seb128but...10:10
RAOFIt's worse in that it involves touching the main driver, so it's less safe.10:10
seb128right10:11
seb128seems it's the way things are going and not a bad tradeoff though10:11
RAOFIt shouldn't be a problem by release, but there's a certain amount of code renaming necessary and it currently doesn't bring up my (GM45, not i8xx) intel card properly.10:11
seb128but seems we are a bit short for alpha2 there now then and maybe workitems need to be updates for the change of stategy?10:11
RAOFThat's a good idea, yes :)10:12
seb128ie are the items assigned to apw on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html still revelant?10:12
seb128RAOF, ok, can you make sure those get updated today or tomorrow?10:12
RAOFYup.10:13
seb128RAOF, just update to reflect what work will need to be done and move to alpha3 I would say10:13
seb128RAOF, thanks10:13
RAOFThose apw tasks are still relevant for a Lucid SRU, but I'll talk with him.  The “i855 patch” referenced is big and scary for an SRU and doesn't _really_ fix the problem.10:14
pittimvo: synaptic currently depends: scrollkeeper; would it be okay to drop to recommends: rarian-compat? (i. e. does it still work without?)10:19
mvopitti: yes, that should be fine, I need to verify if it works now, but it should be easy to make it work if not10:19
pittimvo: ok, thanks; I'll try that10:19
pittimvo: do you want me to create a new lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/synaptic/maverick/ branch for that?10:20
mvopitti: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/synaptic/ubuntu is fine for that10:20
pittiaah10:20
pittiso you only create release name branches for SRUs?10:21
mvoyes10:21
mvoor sometimes before the release if I have stuff that is not appropriate during a freeze10:21
pittimvo: btw, please don't merge the apt compressed index branch just yet; I still have some trouble with update-apt-xapian-index10:23
pittiI'll fix those first10:23
mvopitti: ok10:24
* pitti wrangling with the xapian test suite10:24
seb128didrocks, mvo: do you have any interest or opinion about bug #232469?10:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 232469 in flashplugin-nonfree (Debian) (and 4 other projects) "wget does not use network proxy in some cases (affects: 38) (dups: 7) (heat: 228)" [Unknown,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23246910:32
mvoseb128: I have a interesst in fixing another problem with flashplugin-nonfree (that is fails on 8.04 -> 10.04 upgrades sometimes)10:33
didrocksseb128: I was hit by some kind of weird things when I was forced to use proxy. I think there are some proxy issues more important than that10:34
vishmvo: hi.. have you had time to merge your synaptic ui changes branch into maverick?10:34
mvovish: not yet, why? the glade->gtkbuilder one?10:35
seb128didrocks, mvo: well, there is a simple patch suggested there if somebody wants to review it10:35
mvovish: oh, the other one. right10:35
seb128didrocks, ok...10:35
didrocksseb128: not today, but I can later on10:35
seb128ok10:35
seb128thanks10:35
vishmvo: yeah [mvo/synaptic/ubuntu-ui-changes ], it would close a couple of bugs10:36
mvovish: good point10:36
seb128didrocks, ok, I can confirm the e-d-s bug and it's due to the recent sru11:33
didrocksseb128: the umlaut thing?11:34
seb128didrocks, yes, it's not an umlaut thing, it's a name with a "." and a space thing11:34
seb128didrocks, I'm discussing with upstream11:34
didrocksurgh :/11:34
didrocksok thanks seb12811:34
pittimvo: I did three fixes to http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/apt-xapian-index.git FYI; it's collab-maint, so I just committed11:49
pittione of them fixes a LP with a million dupes11:49
pittinow the test suite finally succeeds \o/11:50
baptistemmHello, as friday, anyone to review lp:~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/bluez/main and lp:~bluetooth/ubuntu/maverick/obexd/main? :)11:54
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didrocksbaptistemm: maybe you can try on #ubuntu-devel? if nobody want to do it, I'll try even if I don't have a lot of knowledge on it (tomorrow morning or this evening)11:56
baptistemmk11:58
seb128baptistemm, the usual way is to open a bug and subscribe sponsors to it11:59
baptistemmI thought it was easier to provide a branch with changes12:00
mvopitti: cool, thanks12:08
pittimvo: I just don't know whether I should upload it12:09
pittibut with that I can reproduce the hang with my new apt12:09
didrocksgreat, seems that banshee upstream will review the hal-free branch, I just had to connect the dots :)12:10
mvopitti: what hang is that?12:11
mvopitti: uploading a-x-i> best to talk to enrico, he is often around in irc12:11
pittimvo: it's a crash in FileFd apparently12:11
pittimvo: yep, will do12:11
mvothanks12:12
pittimvo: ah, I know why12:14
pittimvo: FileFd is exported in libapt-pkg-dev after all, so the stuff really breaks ABI12:14
pittiand people say C++ was a sensible programming language!12:14
pittimvo: I guess I'll need to implement a hack for the lucid backporting12:15
mvopitti: ABI> pain!12:15
pittiseems the abi checker doesn't pick that up :-(12:15
mvooh, that is bad12:16
mvoit comapres "build-version" against "installed-version"12:16
mvobut it does not get that the lucid installed-version breaks ABI?12:16
pittiyes, I had it compare against lucid's12:16
pittimvo: I'll run it again to be sure, but I think yes12:17
mvoI check it out later, that is a bit of a disappointment12:17
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pittimvo: I'll run it here again first12:18
seb128pitti, so we get an e-d-s bug which broke evolution composer when the receiving contact has a dot and space in its name in lucid-updates12:18
pittimvo: but rebuilding synaptic against my patched apt fixes the crash12:18
pittiand I bet that's the same for python-apt and thus apt-xapian-index12:18
seb128pitti, do you think we should drop the change and aim at getting back to the previous situation with low delay or try to fix the issue correctly, ie this bug and the one fixed in the sru12:18
mvopitti: its pretty likely that it breaks the ABI, its really fragile with c++ and from what I remember it adds some data members. but I had hoped that the checker would be able to pick it up12:19
pittimvo: I think I'll move the gz initializers from the ctor declarators (in the .h) to the .cc file12:20
pittiat least in my backport12:20
pittiit doesn't matter for experimental, it breaks abi anyway12:20
pittimvo: ah, now it does fail, but on something completely different: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/abi_compat_report.html12:26
pitti'The relative position of virtual method pkgDepCache::~pkgDepCache() has been changed from 6 to 5  and therefore the layout of virtual table has been changed.'12:26
pittiI didn't touch that interface at all..12:27
pittiit doesn't pick up the new FileFd::gz member12:27
mvopitti: thanks, I have a look now12:29
seb128pitti, hello?12:31
seb128pitti, sorry to bother you but it's a lucid update breaking and I would like your opinion ;-)12:31
didrocksseb128: do you have your "link gnome bug numbers to corresponding launchpad one" handy somewhere?12:31
seb128didrocks, ?12:31
seb128didrocks, click bellow the bug table on the affect product label and enter the url?12:32
didrocksseb128: the one which parses the changelog to get the launchpad bug related to gnome one12:32
mptmvo, hi, do you want to review a couple of branches fixing accessibility problems in USC's WebKit views, or should I give them to Gary or someone else?12:32
seb128didrocks, oh, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bzbugs.py12:32
didrocksseb128: thanks :)12:32
seb128didrocks, bzbugs.py ChangeLog <number of lines to read>12:32
didrocksseb128: awesome, thanks!12:33
seb128didrocks, np, and better to have a firefox open12:33
didrocksok :)12:33
seb128didrocks, it adds tabs if one is running otherwise it opens a firefox for each12:33
* didrocks opens firefox right now so ;)12:33
mvompt: I can do that, I'm catching up with mail/$stuff currently anyway12:33
didrocksdon't want to be scared in 20+ firefox opening12:33
seb128didrocks, I'm assigned you the e-d-s regression bug12:34
seb128I've12:34
didrocksseb128: ok, thanks, I still have to understand under which circumstance it's hapenning12:34
seb128didrocks, I'm trying to get pitti to give his opinion we work on a change though12:34
seb128didrocks, write "One. Bug Email <bug@localhost>12:34
seb128ie one name with a point and a space12:34
seb128upstream confirmed the change is buggy12:35
seb128<mbarnes> seb128: yeah that patch should be reverted entirely.  contact list editor should be using e_destination_get_textrep() for user-visible strings12:35
seb128<mbarnes> poorly chosen names, misleading documentation, but I think I have it straight now...12:35
seb128didrocks, can you do a reverted version upload?12:35
didrocksok, understood12:35
seb128ie just drop the change, go back to what we had12:35
didrocksseb128: can do, still need a break and finish 2.30.2 first, will do this afternoon asap12:36
mvompt: what branch(es)?12:36
seb128didrocks, ok thanks12:36
didrocksseb128: thank you for reproducing it :)12:36
mptmvo, they're linked to from bug 538404 and bug 59550012:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 538404 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Install button inaccessible (affects: 2) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53840412:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 595500 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Screenshot image inaccessible (affects: 1) (heat: 1108)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59550012:37
seb128mvo, btw the history s-c entry rocks, I really like it12:37
seb128mvo, it doesn't like upgrades right now it seems, is that wanted or a bug?12:38
mvoseb128: please, with some simple steps to rerpdocue12:40
mvompt: aha, thanks. it does not show up in the software-cetner code page12:40
mptodd12:41
mptmvo, you mean there's no merge proposal? The developer contacted me on Twitter instead. :-P12:42
mvompt: heh, it also does not appear on code.launchpad.net/software-center (I monitor that page to see stuff without merge proposals)12:42
mvompt: thanks, I check it out now12:43
mvovish: new synaptic merged and uploaded12:43
vishmvo: thanks12:44
seb128mvo, simple steps? upgrade with update-manager every day12:46
seb128mvo, the ui lists new packages not version changes12:46
seb128mvo, ie new things you install and were not installed, not upgraded of versions for installed binaries12:46
mvoseb128: oh, ok. sorry, I misread the initial issue12:47
seb128mvo, is it supposed to list updates? would be handy to ask user "what did you change the day the issue started"12:47
mvoseb128: indeed12:48
seb128mvo, I was rather curious to know if you plan to do that or if that should be working but is buggy or if that was not on your design ;-)12:48
mptmvo, have you had time to read through the software updates spec I started? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling12:49
mvompt: yes, but that is going to be a difficult target if we want to get it done for maverick12:52
mvompt: but the changes itself look not too hard, just "work"12:52
mvompt: plus the morphing stuff needs to be available and have python bindings12:52
mvoseb128: it is not my design, I need to check the spec (or ask mpt) if upgraded packages are supposed to show up there, but I agree that its somehting useful to have12:53
mptmvo, none of this is Maverick targeted, and it's in lots of little bits that can be done independently12:53
mptmvo, I'm just giving you a heads up, because Shane Fagan may be submitting code soon to implement some of it12:53
mvompt: ok, cool12:53
seb128mvo, ok thanks12:54
mptseb128, what's the issue? Is this on an OS upgrade, e.g. 10.04 -> Maverick?12:55
mptor on any update at all?12:56
seb128mpt, no, normal upgrades12:56
seb128mpt, well we get people saying "that software working after applying yesterday lucid security updates"12:56
seb128mpt, would be handy to be able to tell users, "can you check in s-c what you did upgrade yesterday"12:56
mptok12:56
seb128"stopped working"12:57
seb128especially if the UI has filter for installed and removed already12:58
seb128should be easy to add one for "version changed"12:58
didrocksseb128: do you think I should revert the change in evo 2.30.2 too?12:58
seb128didrocks, no12:59
seb128didrocks, I verified it's e-d-s12:59
seb128I've downgraded only this one and it works12:59
didrocksseb128: sure, but I'm about upgrading e-d-s 2.30.2, in maverick, hence my question :)12:59
mptseb128, makes sense12:59
seb128didrocks, well it's maverick, I would backport the changes they do today when they do those13:00
didrocksok, so pushing in maverick13:00
seb128mpt, ;-)13:00
pittiseb128: re (sorry, was at lunch)13:08
seb128hey pitti13:08
pittiseb128: is the regression in -proposed only? or in -updates?13:08
seb128pitti, updates13:08
pittiseb128: if it's -proposed only, it's fine to do a followup SRU IMHO13:09
seb128pitti, I asked didrocks to do an upload undoing the sru while you were are lunch13:09
pittiseb128: is it realistic to fix it in a day or two?13:09
seb128are -> at13:09
pittibut reverting is always the safe option indeed13:09
pittifine for me13:09
seb128pitti, upstream says the change is wrong and the api naming misleading, the escaping should be done in evolution13:10
seb128pitti, so I think in any case we want to revert the e-d-s change and see what we do with evo to fix the original bug later13:10
seb128pitti, can we speed a bit the delay to -updates if we revert the change?13:10
pittiabsolutely13:10
pittiseb128: let it build in -proposed, quick test that it still runs, and off to -updates13:11
pittiwe just need to guard against misbuilds13:11
seb128pitti, ok thanks13:11
seb128right13:11
mptmvo, have you been in touch with kiwinote today? Today's the first day of his GSoC13:18
mvompt: I haven't. but I look forward to it13:18
kiwinotempt,mvo: hi13:19
mvohey kiwinote13:19
kiwinotehad my last exam thismorning, but am about to start coding now13:19
mpthi kiwinote, and congrats on getting through them all13:21
kiwinotethanks, it's good they're all over now13:22
mptseb128, I just updated the spec to include updates/downgrades too <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=377&rev1=376>13:22
seb128mpt, thanks!13:22
seb128mvo, ^13:22
seb128;-)13:22
mptmvo, who did the history work?13:22
rodrigo_seb128, tedg didn't submit a fix for the libappindicator-cil thing, right?13:26
seb128rodrigo_, dunno I was not around during the weekend13:26
seb128rodrigo_, nothing that's I've seen no13:27
mptkiwinote, so you're starting with apturl?13:29
kiwinotempt: gdebi was what I thought we'd agreed, but I don't mind doing apturl first. It may actually be a better idea..13:29
mptkiwinote, sorry, my mistake13:30
didrockspitti: e-d-s uploaded in -proposed13:30
mptkiwinote, I don't mind which.13:30
seb128didrocks, thanks13:31
didrocksmpt: did you have some time to have a look at oneconf design into USC?13:31
mvompt: olivier did work on it and geliy sokolov13:31
kiwinotempt: i'll continue looking at gdebi first then13:31
mvompt: but it should not be a big deal to update it13:32
didrocksseb128: you're welcome :)13:32
mptmvo, ok, I'm just looking for ways to reduce your load :-)13:32
mptdidrocks, it's still #2 on my list behind buy-stuff13:32
mptdidrocks, I may get time for it this afternoon if I smile at ivanka the right way13:33
didrocksmpt: urgh, hope it could come #1 your queue for this week :) So ok, I definitively abandon the idea for alpha2 :/13:33
huatshello everyone13:33
didrocksmpt: heh, great, thanks :)13:33
didrockshey huats13:33
pittididrocks: accepted, merci!13:34
didrockspitti: yw ;)13:34
pittididrocks: I won't copy it to maverick, though, it should be fixed properly there; ok?13:34
didrockspitti: for now, maverick will have 2.30.2 with the regression and waiting for upstream patch13:34
didrockspitti: I'll track the trunk13:35
didrocksand seb128 discuss with upstream about it, so I think we're fine13:35
didrocksI reopen the lucid task on the other SRU13:35
pittiah, right; thanks13:37
kenvandinerodrigo_, i have packaging fixes for libappindicator-cil that fixes building against it... but nothing works with it still13:38
kenvandinethat requires fixes from tedg13:38
kenvandinerodrigo_, nothing that uses libappindicator really works 100% right now :/13:39
ivankampt: what is smiling at me going to get you?13:39
seb128I think tedg was on it friday13:39
rodrigo_kenvandine, ah, ok, I was waiting for it to build a new tomboy package with a patch we have written13:39
kenvandineseb128, yeah, he started it anyway13:39
seb128he got a commit to fix the icon change13:39
seb128"  Fix mono bindings by restricting gapi2-parser"13:40
seb128as well13:40
seb128kenvandine, could you try current trunk and see how it works?13:40
kenvandinerodrigo_, if you just want it to build... checkout the lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu  package and build it locally13:40
seb128commit suggests he fixed both13:40
kenvandineseb128, sure13:40
kenvandineawesome13:40
rodrigo_kenvandine, ah, ok, and what about submitting it? should I wait until it's uploaded to maverick?13:40
seb128kenvandine, hey btw, how are you?13:40
kenvandinerodrigo_, not yet...13:41
seb128kenvandine, how is the fever going?13:41
kenvandineseb128, good... got pygi working for libgwibber!13:41
kenvandinefever is gone :)13:41
kenvandinefinally...13:41
seb128nice ;-)13:41
seb128double nice ;-)13:41
kenvandinei bit achy still... but much better than last monday13:41
rodrigo_kenvandine, ok, I'll wait then, trying to build it locally for now13:41
rodrigo_kenvandine, glad you're better, yeah :)13:41
kenvandineadding gobject-introspection and dropped the python bindings last night13:41
seb128seeing the diff I'm unsure the mono build is fixed13:41
seb128but let's wait for ted he should be there in an hour or so I guess13:42
kenvandinethe mono build was a packaging issue13:42
mptivanka, designing OneConf as an afternoon activity13:42
kenvandineseb128, i would like a review and sponsoring for libgwiber later today or tomorrow morning :)13:42
ivankampt: need anyone else or is this a solo activity?13:42
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seb128kenvandine, ok13:43
mptivanka, it could be solo, but two or four more eyes would be useful13:43
ivankampt: let's think about a buddy and then go for it13:44
mptIt's rather a tricky interface design problem13:44
mptthank you13:44
didrocksthanks mpt, ivanka :)13:46
didrocksmpt: if you need any info about what we can do/can't for now, do not hesitate13:47
seb128hey rickspencer313:48
rickspencer3good afternoon seb12813:48
kenvandinehey rickspencer313:49
rickspencer3hi kenvandine, good morning13:49
* TheMuso waves hello before turning in for the night.13:51
kenvandinegood night TheMuso13:51
seb128hey TheMuso, have a good night13:51
ivankadidrocks: no worries!13:52
kenvandineseb128, appindicators work!13:53
kenvandineincluding in mono13:53
seb128nice13:53
kenvandinei'll wait for tedg before i upload though13:53
seb128kenvandine, upload? ;-)13:53
seb128ok13:53
kenvandinehe should be around soon :)13:54
ccheneygood morning13:54
didrockskenvandine: does it fix the icon issue too?13:57
pittimvo: oops, seems you uploaded synaptic without my change? seems that'll need some changelog fiddling then, shall I do that?13:57
didrockshey rickspencer313:57
rickspencer3hi didrocks13:58
pittihey rickspencer313:58
rickspencer3hope everyone had a nice weekend13:58
kenvandinedidrocks, it does13:58
rickspencer3good afternoon pitti13:58
didrocksrickspencer3: TextEditor() is awesome btw :)13:58
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didrockskenvandine: great \o/13:58
mvochrisccoulson: bug #429841 appears to be a problem for 8.04->10.04 upgrades, this is rather criticial, I would like to do a SRU on this today if possible (I think the patch is pretty easy)13:58
didrocksthat's a good day13:58
didrocksevo indicator working again13:58
didrocksappindicator too :)13:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 429841 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "broken packaging: package flashplugin-nonfree failed to install/upgrade: (breaks upgrade) (affects: 275) (dups: 124) (heat: 1444)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42984113:58
arapitti, ping13:58
mvopitti: sorry for the synaptic upload, I fixed the changelog, it will be part of the next upload13:59
pittihello ara13:59
pittimvo: no problem; it's not urgent, I just want bzr to be matching the archive :)13:59
arahey pitti, do you know if vmware workstation 7 for ubuntu also has this problem: bug 548891?13:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 548891 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "keyboard input broken due to invalid keyboard variant set by VMWare installer (affects: 37) (dups: 5) (heat: 204)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54889113:59
pittimvo: seems I found a way to not break the apt ABI for the lucid backport, BTW; but I guess for trunk I don't need to worry about that, right?13:59
araor only osx and windows?13:59
mvopitti: trunk> no need to worry, its full of abi breakage14:00
pittiara: I'm not sure, but it only happens with a think called "quick install" script14:00
arapitti, easy install, yes14:00
pittiara: but the result of the script (setting layout "SKIP") can be set locally easily enough14:00
mvopitti: bzr r1722 should be consistent with the archive again14:00
mvopitti: for synaptic14:00
pittiara: but I never reproduced it in vmware myself, I just set the configuration that this script produces14:01
pittimvo: yay you, danke14:01
arapitti, OK, thanks14:01
mvopitti: cheeers14:01
ccheneyara, from my informal testing it seems installing on vmware 7.1 will workaround the problem14:08
ccheneyara, but installs that were done prior to that would be broken without the fix14:09
araccheney, OK, thanks for the information!14:09
chrisccoulsonmvo - did the bug have a patch already (I've not looked all the way through it yet)14:13
mvochrisccoulson: I'm testing a patch now14:14
chrisccoulsonmvo - thanks. i just haven't had time to look at that recently ;)14:14
mvochrisccoulson: if its good I will ask you for a second look and upload14:14
chrisccoulsonthanks14:15
mvochrisccoulson: we need to get it in before we enable 8.04 -> 10.04 globally14:15
mvochrisccoulson: cheeers14:15
seb128mvo, when we plan to enable those? end of july?14:16
mvoseb128: on 10.04.114:16
seb128ok, end of july then, right?14:16
mvoI think it is, I don't have the schedule in front of me14:16
seb128don't bother, I was just checking it was not rsn because you seem to want that change in today ;-)14:17
seb128I was starting wondering if I should hurry to get some of my changes in ;-)14:17
mvoseb128: today because it slipped under my radar and it will affect everybody that updates from 8.04 to 10.04 with flash (and that are lots of people)14:18
mvoseb128: so maybe s/today/ASAP/ :)14:18
seb128ok, makes sense14:18
seb128mvo, thanks14:18
chrisccoulsonmvo - is it possible to test hardy -> lucid upgrades with PPA sources? i wanted to test the upgrade with the firefox updates in hardy, but the lucid updates are still sat in the staging PPA, and update-manager disables the PPA sources before the upgrade14:24
mvochrisccoulson: yes, you can use RELEASE_UPRADER_ALLOW_THIRD_PARTY=1 in your environment (but be careful that sudo does not clear it away)14:27
chrisccoulsonmvo - awesome, thanks :)14:27
mvochrisccoulson: the auto-upgrade-tester package can also used for that, if you give me access to the ppa I can run a test for you14:27
chrisccoulsonmvo - thanks. the PPA is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa (that contains all the packages for hardy and lucid)14:28
mvochrisccoulson: thanks, once the flashplugin-nonfree change is tested I will run this one. you need hardy->lucid tested?14:31
chrisccoulsonmvo - yes please. there will also be jaunty -> karmic and karmic-> lucid upgrades to test at some point too, but i've got some more work to do for those still14:32
mvochrisccoulson: ok, thanks. its pretty easy (or should be) to setup the auto-upgrade-tester. but for now I'm happy to run the tests for you14:34
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mptdidrocks, we're making progress15:35
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didrocksmpt: oh great, do you figure out a pleasant way to show all those info?15:35
mptdidrocks, yep. At the moment we're tackling the distinction between "I want this program on this computer" and "I want this program on all my computers"15:37
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didrocksmpt: tricky, yeah :) keep in mind that we can say: "this application has been installed/removed on machineA the…" to give a rational when showing the diff15:39
didrocksor even "this app isn't present on machineA as never been installed"15:39
ccheneydidrocks, is netbook-meta fixed in maverick for 588723 its not closed out yet15:42
* ccheney is culling his open ff windows and noticed that15:42
didrocksccheney: it's in -proposed need someone confirming it's fixing the bug15:43
ccheneydidrocks, ah and then upload to maverick, or am i missing the sequence? :)15:43
didrocksccheney: no, it's already in maverick, but for lucid, it's in lucid-proposed and we want for someone confirming it fixes the issue15:44
ccheneyits still listed as 'triaged' for maverick it seems15:44
didrocks(and then, it will be in lucid-updates)15:44
didrocksoh really?15:44
didrockslet me check, but I think it's uploaded15:44
ccheneyor at least the untargeted bugtask which normally means maverick15:44
ccheneys/maverick/current dev release/15:44
didrocksccheney: yes, it's in maverick, sorry, didn't associate with the bug report, closing it now15:46
ccheneydidrocks, no problem thanks for updating the report :)15:46
didrocksdone now, thanks ccheney :)15:46
ccheneydidrocks, if you don't get a tester by the end of the week ping me and i can try to get to it this weekend, i'm pretty swamped with my special server projects15:48
* ccheney needs to clone himself15:49
didrocksccheney: oh sweet! I will for sure. Thanks for the proposal :)15:49
didrocksheh, right :)15:49
seb128didrocks, pitti: I've verified the new e-d-s in lucid-proposed it fixes the issue and seems to work correctly (ie I didn't notice other issues with it)16:06
didrocksseb128: great, thanks for testing :)16:06
ccheneydidrocks, not sure if you have tried testdrive but it is great for these sorts of things16:08
ccheneydidrocks, you can have it use tmpfs also if you have enough ram so its very fast even if you don't have a ssd (i don't)16:09
seb128didrocks, the change has been reverted to git as well and there is a one liner fix for evo instead, http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=9a8b5041b60bc5136dd21efb2e07b1cb172bce1216:09
didrocksccheney: yeah, I've already tried it once, but as I'm doing the SRU, I'll prefer someone else confirming :)16:09
didrocksccheney: oh, in tmpfs? great16:09
didrocksseb128: I'll integrate in next evo upload, thanks16:10
ccheneydidrocks, i suppose you can use tmpfs for anything really but i noticed when doing a bunch of server testing it was helpful to make the testing go a lot faster16:11
didrockssure, as for my pbuilder :)16:11
* ccheney thinks he will finally buy a ssd once the intel g3 drives finally come out16:11
asachola ... whats the word on maverick ... any bad bustages atm? esp. wrt intel chipsets ;)?16:16
* asac is about to run dist-upgrade16:16
ccheneydo it and pray ;-)16:17
* ccheney is staying on lucid until beta16:17
* ccheney uses maverick in vm to keep his box from dying16:18
ftaasac, it's fine here (nvidia)16:18
ftamost of the recent crashers are gone16:19
asaccool16:19
asacccheney: you are weak ;)16:19
ccheneyheh16:19
ftai just can't play with my preferred fps because of pulseaudio :(16:21
asaclol16:22
asaci have the feeling all will be better for me ...16:23
ftaevil pulseaudio/alsa-plugin/openal combination16:23
asaci am on GL ES anyway ;) ... so i don't care about games until those get ported16:23
ftaand noone cares enough obviously16:23
ftaSarvatt, hi, did you see my message?16:24
asacfta: ES 2.0 is tough to port to ;)16:25
ftaSarvatt, x2/x3 speed up with the last commit. and it now looks like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html16:25
seb128asac, works fine on my mini and my desktop16:25
asacseb128: thanks. upgrade is running. will join you on the maverick side in a few hours ;)16:26
seb128my laptop is still lucid ;-)16:26
seb128I plan to upgrade later on this week16:26
asacdamn16:26
asacdoes that mean i will be alon on my thinkpad ;)?16:26
seb128I wanted to wait for GNOME 2.30.2 to do those srus for lucid16:26
seb128which is today16:27
asacseb128: ah ... then hurry ;)16:27
seb128so I'm coming on the maverick side after that ;-)16:27
seb128hehe16:27
asaci will ensure you have a good ramp to land ;)16:27
ftathe new sound applet is.. well, wide. and textish..16:28
ftaasciish?16:29
asacthat the new approach16:29
ftaa play button using ">" and "||" looks kind of 2 decades old16:29
ftai also have an empty "copy dialog" sitting there16:30
ccheneyfta, only 2 decades? i thought it was older than that on physical stereos :) (unless you mean the ascii instead of bitmaps)16:34
ftaccheney, yep, ascii vs bipmaps16:35
seb128the copy dialog is the same indicator icon doesn't update issue you had the other day with something else16:35
seb128it's fixed in trunk should land in the distro today or tomorrow16:35
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ftaseb128, i figured that out, that's why i didn't file any bug for it.. i just see my panel free space shrinking everyday, i just have enough room for 2 more icons16:38
seb128you can restart indicator-applet to free space ;-)16:39
ccheneyfta, ah ok16:39
seb128ccheney, hi16:40
seb128ccheney, did you have time to look at the presentation issue?16:40
ccheneyseb128, not yet been very busy with server stuff, just got back to work on friday16:41
seb128ccheney, ok, do you think you will have time this week?16:41
ccheneyi am going to try, may have to work over the weekend on it and some of the other sru bugs16:42
* ccheney has also been ordered to paint the house :-\16:42
seb128there is no hurry hurry but we need to fix it for lucid .116:43
seb128so we have less than a month to get in lucid-updates16:43
seb128knowing it takes at least one week to get the sru tested, it let some 2 weeks for getting the fix uploaded16:43
ccheneyok will do my best to get it done by eow16:45
seb128thanks16:45
* ccheney wishes gtg had priority levels within a day16:49
seb128kenvandine, how is the indicator fixing going?16:49
seb128kenvandine, is there anything stopping to upload the fixes from trunk?16:50
kenvandineseb128, i wanted to try to help tedg figure out the policy.dll thing he was trying to get to work16:57
kenvandinetedg, did you push that branch somewhere?16:57
tedgkenvandine, Yeah, it's in the indicator-applet-developers packaging branch.16:58
kenvandineok16:58
kenvandinei'll look at that after the meeting16:58
* tedg needs to come up with an abbreviation for "indicator-applet-developers"16:59
kenvandinehehe16:59
kenvandinetedg, you don't think that will require code changes, do you?17:01
tedgkenvandine, I've already committed the code changes.  But I'd like to ensure they work.  It's mostly build changes really to build the policy file.17:01
kenvandinetedg, if not... can you go ahead and release 0.2.1?17:01
kenvandineok17:01
tedgkenvandine, I can.  I just wanted to see it work end to end :)17:02
kenvandinei'll look at it in like 30m17:02
tedgkenvandine, Cool, thanks!17:03
kenvandinetedg, what specifically should i look at?17:03
kenvandinejust build it and look at the provides?17:03
tedgkenvandine, Yeah, try to install with the Tomboy that is still linked to libappindictor0.0-cli.17:04
kenvandineok17:04
tedgkenvandine, It should be flawless, but it seemingly doesn't work.17:04
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tedgkenvandine, If you don't have one, the one in my PPA is linked that way.17:04
kenvandinetedg, tomboy from maverick should be17:05
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mptdidrocks, I've attached the scribbling we did to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneConf -- I'll write up something more definite now17:52
didrocksmpt: ok, looking at it right now :)17:52
didrocksmpt: ok, so it seems you really want to keep computers synced, which raises a lot of issues (as you wrote on the board :)). I'm curious to see your sorted ideas there how to tackle it17:55
didrocksmpt: otherwise, seems fine (I think the "standard ubuntu" is for metapackage as we can see "netbook ubuntu")17:56
seb128didrocks, do you have time for an easy sru or are you busy busy until end of day?17:57
didrocksseb128: hum, I'm rather busy but can have a try17:58
seb128didrocks, bug #59543517:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 595435 in ido (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "something strange hapend to mono icons (affects: 1) (heat: 834)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59543517:58
seb128didrocks, I've assigned it to you, it's another lucid-updates brekage, though a smaller one just color in a slider17:59
seb128didrocks, there is just 2 one liners to apply and rebuild the theme is like 25 seconds17:59
didrocksseb128: it's in ido, ubuntu-mono rather?17:59
seb128didrocks, if you can do it I can finish my other sru before sport and do test that update later on17:59
seb128didrocks, ups, it's light-themes17:59
didrocksseb128: sure, will do it18:00
seb128didrocks, component changed18:00
didrocksthanks :)18:00
seb128didrocks, it's only a theme you do the update and try on maverick18:00
didrocksseb128: ok, will be quicker so :)18:00
seb128didrocks, you can use add .1 to the version for the sru, those are native sources18:01
seb128didrocks, thanks!18:01
* seb128 goes back to the other sru on his list18:01
didrocksseb128: done, enjoy your sport btw :)18:11
seb128didrocks, thanks and thanks!18:11
didrocksseb128: you're welcome and welcome ;)18:12
seb128didrocks, do you plan to go to the music fest today?18:12
didrocksseb128: no, I'm still have some work and I didn't plan to get there in any case. And you?18:12
seb128I will probably walk by on my way back from sport18:13
seb128just to see how it is and grab some sandwish18:13
seb128way to be lazy ;-)18:13
didrocksheh, sure :-)18:13
seb128didrocks, don't overwork yourself, I'm sure those tasks can wait tomorrow18:13
didrocksseb128: well, that's true that today was a little crazy, but I'll be more relaxed tomorrow :-)18:14
seb128right, mondays are often crazy18:15
seb128everybody had lot of ideas during the weekend or things not done on friday to land18:15
didrocksheh, that's true ;)18:15
didrocksevo updates are also time consuming. Not hard, but it takes time…18:15
seb128don't tell me ;-)18:16
seb128I'm glad you are doing those this cycle :p18:16
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didrocksheh, you didn't tell me that first, it was a trap! :-)18:17
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pittididrocks: saw seb's confirmation of evo; I need to run now, if seb128 comes back please ask him to copy to -updates18:36
pittisee you tomorrow!18:36
didrockspitti: thanks, see you tomorrow18:50
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Sarvattfta: bad idea to use --dir pointing right at the hosted directory huh? i love the most recent changes though, thanks for the heads up! i broke down and backported all the python-launchpadlib stuff to jaunty to use it on my server at http://sarvatt.com/xorg-edgers/ and it auto updates from bzr before updating every 10 minutes so ya can see your changes :)20:38
ftaSarvatt, what do you mean for --dir? it's "." by default, i use a temp dir that i upload to my people.u.c dir20:39
Sarvatti had --dir pointing at the directory thats served by accident, made index.html unusable while it was updating :)20:40
ftaoh, i should probably do something better there20:40
ftaSarvatt, is it faster?20:42
Sarvattno big deal the way it is20:42
Sarvattyeah lots!20:42
ftaexcellent20:42
ftathe slowest part is now --repo20:43
ftai should probably cache that too20:43
Sarvattyeah it does a crapload of lookups there for xorg-edgers since theres so many packages, its still less than a minute to update though20:44
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gnomefreakwhen are we planning on releasing gnome 3. looks like statble tarballs will land Sept. 2723:08
gnomefreakWin 323:08
seb128gnomefreak, not this cycle23:16
seb128or at least not in the default installation23:16
gnomefreakseb128: 2.30?23:16
seb128we will likely get a ppa with updates23:16
seb128yes, what we have now with selected updates23:16
gnomefreakseb128: ok cool. i didnt think we pushed to PPA since it is alot of packages/libs23:16
seb128the number of changes over a cycle makes difficult to be confident we will get something stable for this cycle23:17
gnomefreakseb128: ok thanks23:17
seb128we will likely have a ppa I said23:17
seb128it's not sure and I'm not sure what we would have there23:17
gnomefreakseb128: ok works for me23:17
gnomefreakthanks23:18
seb128y23:18
seb128yw23:18
RAOFMorning gents.23:56
TheMusoMorning RAOF.23:58

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