| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| nikolam | micahg, I have trouble using SM on 64bit lucid (bug with dying): It dies too often actually. | 06:17 |
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| micahg | nikolam: yes, I'm not sure what to do as I don't have a quick fix, I need to get a patch upstream and have it approved | 06:18 |
| * micahg is trying to get openjdk to build before going to sleep, but that doesn't look promising | 06:19 | |
| micahg | asac: friendly reminder for a Endorsement :) | 08:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hi jdstrand - i got all the extensions updated in jaunty on friday, so feel free to do some testing on jaunty if you like :) | 16:09 |
| chrisccoulson | i know that mozgest, stumbleupon and imagezoom currently don't work, but i'm fixing those now | 16:09 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: cool, so now with the exception of those 3 are hardy - lucid ready? what about karmic/openjdk? | 16:11 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: and hi! :) | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - i don't know if micahg made any progress with openjdk yet - i'll ask him when he's online | 16:12 |
| [reed] | do I want adobe-flashplugin or flashplayer-installer? | 16:14 |
| [reed] | they seem to be the same thing yet separate packages? | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | ultimately they are the same | 16:15 |
| [reed] | which one would you pick? | 16:15 |
| [reed] | :) | 16:15 |
| jdstrand | adobe-flashplugin is in the partner archive and the canonical partner guy works with adobe on it | 16:15 |
| jdstrand | flashplugin-installer's packaging is different, but is updated to pull down adobe's installer that is in the partner archive | 16:16 |
| jdstrand | I use adobe-flashplugin on i386 and flashplayer-installer on amd64 | 16:16 |
| jdstrand | the former is only available on i386, and the latter uses nspluginwrapper, which is required to use the i386 plugin on amd64 | 16:17 |
| * jdstrand wishes adobe would finish their amd64 version... | 16:17 | |
| asac | jdstrand: afaik they said they will not finish amd64 | 16:24 |
| * asac spreading rumours | 16:24 | |
| asac | jdstrand: with OOPs we might just get nspluginwrapper for free in firefox anyway | 16:24 |
| jdstrand | I am not up on it, but I thought the last adobe said is that they were committed to it. though, how long have we heard that? | 16:26 |
| [reed] | asac: there's a mail to security-group@ from dveditz addressed to you | 16:28 |
| [reed] | has "Ubuntu" in the subject | 16:28 |
| asac | [reed]: i saw | 16:29 |
| asac | will answer next | 16:29 |
| asac | i am even CCed ;) | 16:29 |
| asac | [reed]: in short: we didnt apply the patch because the other part needed backporting | 16:30 |
| gnomefreak | last i heard it will be atleast 1 year before flash 64 will be even close to release, asac it snot a rumor :) or if it is you didnt start it | 16:30 |
| [reed] | ok, cool | 16:30 |
| asac | gnomefreak: hehe ... my rumour is: they will never finish it ;) | 16:30 |
| asac | they just try to calm the mob by having it in beta state | 16:31 |
| gnomefreak | ah you may still be right :) im looking to see if i have an email address for them | 16:31 |
| * gnomefreak was hoping to get an email back from the rock station already | 16:32 | |
| gnomefreak | chromium doesnt like to ask or to even save passwords | 16:34 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: hi, I have openjdk for karmic, should I copy to transition PPA or do you want to pull from my personal PPA? | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - awesome. i can just take that from your personal PPA | 16:42 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: the only thing not adjusted is the maintainer, it set for me ATM, since I didn't know if we should keep the openjdkteam or not: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-test/+packages | 16:43 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: the other thing is that control.in and control aren't in sync, but I figured that might not matter in a backport | 16:45 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: actually that last statement wasn't true, but for some reason, in my chroot, it wouldn't set the karmic build deps right when I regenerated the control file | 16:46 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: so I manually dropped llvm to 2.6 and dropped oprofile from the build deps | 16:46 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'm thinking more and more that maybe I need more checks on that symlink for the profile dir for Thunderbird 3 | 16:57 |
| micahg | asac: thank you for the endorsement :) | 17:03 |
| jdstrand | micahg: did you run the verification test suite on your openjdk packages? I don't have the details, but doko has a testing procedure you could ask about if you haven't already (it's in main, so we need to follow whatever procedures he uses) | 17:11 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: has upstream reviewed the hardy font configuration patches yet? | 17:11 |
| micahg | jdstrand: ah, good point, I should do that | 17:11 |
| jdstrand | micahg: cool, thanks | 17:12 |
| * micahg wonders if it'll run in a chroot | 17:12 | |
| * jdstrand has no idea -- ask doko | 17:12 | |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - i will take a look at those issues with debian/control shortly if you like | 17:12 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand, not yet. karl said he was going to look at it when he gets some time | 17:12 |
| chrisccoulson | i will ask him again later | 17:12 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: well, the only issue is the maintainer I think, everything else is generated anyways | 17:13 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: hmmm. I'm not sure what that means. is this going to hold up our publication? | 17:13 |
| jdstrand | at least 3.6.4 hasn't been released yet... | 17:13 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - i'm not sure if it should hold up publication (if it comes to that). the fonts aren't that bad with the fixed cairo patch - they just can't be configured in the same way as before | 17:19 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: ok. sounds good to me. we'll yank it if that is all that is left and it can be added as an SRU or in the next security update if desired | 17:21 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - ok, no worries. one thing we still need to do is test the old epiphany with xulrunner 1.9.2 installed on the system | 17:42 |
| chrisccoulson | seeing as we don't have an immediate solution for that just yet | 17:42 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I thought 1.9.2 was a new package? won't epiphany-gecko continue to use 1.9.1? | 17:42 |
| jdstrand | or rather 1.9 | 17:42 |
| micahg | jdstrand: there's a transitional package for epiphany-gecko | 17:44 |
| jdstrand | right, but we aren't uploading the new epiphany until it is ready | 17:45 |
| micahg | jdstrand: ah | 17:45 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - it's not quite as simple as that unfortunately. epiphany will load the newest runtime where the version is between the range passed to GRE_GetGREPathWithProperties | 17:45 |
| jdstrand | so, the old epiphany should continue to use 1.9, unless 1.9.2 replaces it, which I didn't think it did | 17:45 |
| chrisccoulson | and i just checked the epiphany source, and it will load 1.9.2 | 17:46 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: is there a patch in the old epiphany where we can tweak the GRE? | 17:46 |
| jdstrand | ok. we can test that | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | this is the same issue that broke yelp with 1.9.2 installed on the system ;) | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - yeah, we will have to do that if it breaks | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | that's what i did with yelp already | 17:46 |
| jdstrand | sounds like we should expect some breakage. we should be able to do an update for epiphany to not pull in 1.9.2 and then work on epiphany webkit. we'll see | 17:47 |
| jdstrand | if there is no breakage, that would certainly be nice :) | 17:47 |
| jdstrand | we could continue to update 1.9.2 until hardy is EOL | 17:47 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - yeah, we could do that. i'm not sure how we handle the versioning though, as we already have 2.28 in the PPA | 17:47 |
| jdstrand | (that is probably wishful thinking though) | 17:48 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: just delete it from the ppa | 17:48 |
| jdstrand | I think that should work fine | 17:48 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - it would probably just be safer to patch it only load 1.9 for now, rather than having it spring up some surprises on us later on ;) | 17:48 |
| jdstrand | we are going to need to seriously clean out that ppa after this anyway | 17:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's got a lot of packages now | 17:48 |
| jdstrand | (and deleting doesn't really delete it...) | 17:49 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i noticed that when we ran out of space | 17:49 |
| chrisccoulson | but, there's no chance of that happening again now we have a 1TB limit in the PPA ;) | 17:49 |
| chrisccoulson | right, i have to disappear for 30 minutes or so to run some errands | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | bbiab | 17:53 |
| jdstrand | haha | 17:53 |
| micahg | Repository size: 21.7 GiB (2.17%) of 1000.0 GiB | 17:56 |
| fta | micahg, at some point, ucd was using ~40G with a single package ;) | 18:12 |
| micahg | fta: that's wild | 18:13 |
| chrisccoulson | back | 18:30 |
| chrisccoulson | urgh, i feel absolutely rotten today | 18:30 |
| ejat | ouch .. 1TB | 19:10 |
| ddecator | adobe stopped offering their alpha version of 64-bit flash, but they said they would release it in a future version (i saw you guys were talking about that earlier :p) | 19:24 |
| ddecator | chrisccoulson: hope you feel better soon | 19:24 |
| chrisccoulson | ddecator, thanks, so do i :) | 19:34 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: hey, where did beagle 0.3.3-2ubuntu1.8.04.1 go? | 19:47 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: and ctxextensions 4.3.2010020101-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 | 19:51 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: did we decide to not update ctxextensions? | 19:52 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: err... are you sure you want to use an epoch for ctxextensions? | 20:00 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: only a small handful of people should be affected... imho we should just delete the newer one and have the few people who tested it downgrade manually | 20:02 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: otherwise karmic-lucid upgrade won't work | 20:02 |
| gnomefreak | i dont think its Firefox causing the very slow run. I think its Tbird | 20:53 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt have to be doing anything, just sitting there online or offline it causes a great lag | 20:54 |
| * gnomefreak testing | 20:56 | |
| gnomefreak | ok found the problem | 20:56 |
| fta | jdstrand, is chromium ready to land in updates & security now? | 20:57 |
| jdstrand | fta: yes, as of a little while ago | 20:58 |
| jdstrand | fta: let me copy it | 20:58 |
| fta | thanks | 21:03 |
| === aganice_ is now known as aganice | ||
| micahg | chrisccoulson: can I send a mail on behalf of the Ubuntu Mozilla Team asking how long support for TB3.0 will be? | 21:08 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: go for it | 21:22 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: can you CC me or the mailing list as well. | 21:23 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: can I send a mail on behalf of the Ubuntu Mozilla Team asking how long support for TB3.0 will be? | 21:40 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - yeah, can do. could you please copy me on that too? | 21:40 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: yes | 21:40 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: gnomefreak: done with you 2 copied | 21:42 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'm still trying to figure out how to run the TCK for OpenJDK | 21:42 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: thanks | 21:43 |
| * micahg has to get some other work done right now though | 21:43 | |
| gnomefreak | micahg: how long (are we going to bother) pushing updates for FF in Hardy? | 21:44 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: until EOL we hope | 21:44 |
| gnomefreak | EOL of desktop? | 21:44 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: yep, so next April | 21:45 |
| gnomefreak | thanks i told him to upgrade to Lucid (suggested but i will get this right. :) | 21:45 |
| nxvl | chrisccoulson: any ETA on FF? | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | nxvl - not yet ;) | 21:46 |
| chrisccoulson | soon ;) | 21:46 |
| chrisccoulson | that's all i know really | 21:46 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: fyi, epiphany absolutely requires an update. 'EphyBrowser initialization failed for...' | 21:47 |
| nxvl | chrisccoulson: ok, thnx | 21:47 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: did you see my other questions? | 21:47 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - interesting. thanks | 21:47 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand, yeah, i think i answered your earlier questions | 21:47 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: according to upstream wiki, they should have a better idea later today about when to ship 3.6.4 | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: no, I think you missed them. here they are: | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | 13:47 < jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey, where did beagle 0.3.3-2ubuntu1.8.04.1 go? | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | 13:51 < jdstrand> chrisccoulson: and ctxextensions 4.3.2010020101-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | 13:52 < jdstrand> chrisccoulson: did we decide to not update ctxextensions? | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | 14:00 < jdstrand> chrisccoulson: err... are you sure you want to use an epoch for ctxextensions? | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | 14:02 < jdstrand> chrisccoulson: only a small handful of people should be affected... imho we should just delete the newer one and have the few people who tested it downgrade manually | 21:48 |
| gnomefreak | Debian is keeping xul191 | 21:48 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - yeah, i answered those ;) | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: they didn't hit the channel afaict | 21:49 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: Debian has their own issues to deal with ;) | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | ah | 21:49 |
| gnomefreak | yep seems so ;) | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | that might have occurred when i undocked, and i switched from wireless to wired | 21:49 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: we're jumping to xul193 for maverick +1 | 21:49 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: you had a ping timeout and came back on | 21:49 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: dropping xul192 at that time? | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - beagle and ctxextensions for hardy aren't needed as the current versions aren't needed | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | and ctxextensions doesn't exist in lucid, which is why i fixed the other problem with an epoch in karmic | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i wasn't sure if i could just delete packages from the PPA, after the call for testing has gone out | 21:49 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: yep, we only plan on supporting one xul release per release | 21:50 |
| chrisccoulson | i meant to say that the current versions don't work | 21:50 |
| chrisccoulson | (for beagle and ctxextensions) | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: ok, I'll update the wiki | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I still encourage removing the epoch. maybe a followup email can go out to those that tested it... I doubt anyone did since I had already commented on it in the tracker | 21:51 |
| gnomefreak | that sounds like a great idea assuming everything is on same version. ff37 is xul193 tb is xul192 and ff3.6 is 192 as well, tb im not sure about, i could never keep that straight | 21:51 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - ok, i can do that | 21:51 |
| jdstrand | if we ever bring it back, it'll be a problem... | 21:51 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: thanks | 21:51 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: by then, we might be at TB32 :) | 21:51 |
| * gnomefreak not holding breath | 21:53 | |
| micahg | gnomefreak: BTW, xul191 might be EOL before squeeze is released :) | 21:58 |
| gnomefreak | they still havent released squeeze? i thought they were going to shorten the devel cycles to be shorter | 21:59 |
| * gnomefreak trying to find the right words for this email, other than bad bad things ;) | 22:00 | |
| micahg | gnomefreak: squeeze isn't even frozen yet, they have a few major transitions in progress, they have to be completed before they can freeze | 22:00 |
| gnomefreak | so much for the trying to be like us :)\ | 22:00 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: well, one of the transitions is python 2.6 :) | 22:01 |
| gnomefreak | if we can do it so can they since alot of our core devs are/were Debian devs | 22:01 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-python@lists.debian.org;tag=python2.6 | 22:02 |
| gnomefreak | looking thanks | 22:02 |
| gnomefreak | thats all the blockers? | 22:03 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: for that transition :) | 22:04 |
| gnomefreak | damn | 22:04 |
| gnomefreak | listening to radio and ali morgan is on from 9-2 what do you call that? a segment or a show? | 22:05 |
| gnomefreak | im at a loss for words | 22:05 |
| * gnomefreak found words let hope she doesnt take it the wrong or RIGHT way | 22:12 | |
| gnomefreak | be back smoke | 22:14 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: we don't intend to continue supporting hardy after Desktop EOL, right? | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - i don't think there's anything we need to maintain for the server | 22:26 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: k, just wanted to verify before responding on the ML, user was asking about FF updates after desktop EOL | 22:27 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: yep i CCed the list | 22:28 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, we wouldn't update FF after the desktop has gone EOL, but i'm not sure if anything on the server uses xulrunner | 22:28 |
| gnomefreak | i think i sent it | 22:28 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: yes, you did | 22:28 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: thanks | 22:28 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - i've dropped epiphany from the PPA as well for now. i will upload a version that makes it carry on working after the upgrade later | 22:29 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: k | 22:30 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: answered | 22:31 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: thanks | 22:34 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: fyi, I gave firegub/karmic a pass after retesting. I think it might have been one of the other extensions that I had installed that was broken and messing it up | 22:40 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: I don't know that, but that is what I going with :) | 22:40 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: at any rate, one less bug in the qa tracker | 22:40 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: fyi, mozilla-noscript is fine now too | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: and ctxextensions is good | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: (those are karmic) | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: and apparmor is fixed | 23:12 |
| chrisccoulson | jdstrand - cool, that's good | 23:12 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks for testing | 23:12 |
| jdstrand | chrisccoulson: so that should leave only openjdk on karmic | 23:12 |
| micahg | jdstrand: is it worth trying to keep noscript up to date in the security PPA before release, or just SRU the latest after release? | 23:13 |
| jdstrand | micahg: well, what is in the ppa is working ok. I don't know what you want to SRU, but if it is bugfix only, the SRU later | 23:14 |
| micahg | jdstrand: well, usually every release or every other release of noscript has security fixes | 23:15 |
| jdstrand | micahg: if it is security relevant, then it can go in | 23:16 |
| micahg | jdstrand: well, my question is how much to worry about keeping up to date in the PPA? | 23:16 |
| jdstrand | micahg: I'm not worried at all. to me, sru is fine | 23:17 |
| micahg | jdstrand: k, it's in universe also, so I guess it's a little lower in priority | 23:17 |
| * jdstrand nods | 23:17 | |
| micahg | jdstrand: I'll plan for an SRU next month then | 23:17 |
| jdstrand | cool, thanks :) | 23:18 |
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