[00:17] <ScottK> Nightrose: Looks like wordpress.com will work for me.  
[00:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:35] <NCommander> we lost Scott!
[00:47] <NCommander> ScottK: Riddell: mcasadevall@daybreak:~/src/kde/kdebase/workspace$ svn ci -m "Cast qMax calls so kdebase-workspace will build on qreal == float platforms"
[00:47] <NCommander> Envoi          workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/activitymanager/activityicon.cpp
[00:47] <NCommander> Envoi          workspace/plasma/generic/applets/quicklaunch/icongridlayout.cpp
[00:47] <NCommander> Transmission des donnÃ©es ..
[00:47] <NCommander> RÃ©vision 1140997 propagÃ©e.
[00:47] <NCommander> :-)
[00:48] <ScottK> NCommander: How goes bindings and edu?
[00:49] <ScottK> That's great news, btw.
[00:49] <NCommander> ScottK: kdeedu should be trivial to fix.
[00:49] <NCommander> ScottK: kdebindings is broken because python-qt4 is broken
[00:49] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.  For you....
[00:49] <NCommander> I think I need to trout some people at Akademy
[00:49] <ScottK> NCommander: If only you knew someone who helped maintain it in Debian.
[00:50] <NCommander> ScottK: you should be able to fix it. Find the qMax/qMin/etc call and add a cast
[00:50] <NCommander> ScottK: er, I do maintain it in Debian :-P
[00:50] <ScottK> NCommander: Oh.  Handy isn't it.
[00:50]  * NCommander feels like he just became victim of his own success (or failure)
[00:50] <ScottK> NCommander: I program Python.  I have no idea what you're talking about other than it sounds a lot like the other stuff you've fixed.
[00:51] <NCommander> ScottK: it is. The correct people will be trouted at Akademy.
[00:51] <ScottK> Surely you're old enough to know that the reward for good work is more work.
[00:51] <NCommander> ScottK: I hereby deligate you resonsible for python-qt4 in Debian. I'll add you to uploaders next time I touch it
[00:52] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm not qualified for that one.  Most of the trouble with it isn't in the Python.
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> Oh wow... just found a MAJOR flaw in Rekonq. restricts the address bar to 61 chars
[00:59] <DarkwingDuck> Nix that... its working now.. it's my system
[01:21] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141001 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Emit packageChanged() when marking the cache for (dist)upgrade
[01:34] <ScottK> Nightrose: I even got the right posts going to two different planets.  Thanks again for the suggestion.
[02:08] <ScottK> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50710920/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1137272-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz too.
[02:44] <ScottK> NCommander: There's several more in Universe.  Maybe we could find you someone to train for those....
[03:30] <NCommander> ScottK: indeed, but lack of hardware hurts.
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> Hrm, should the Canonical-support-message bit go in with the description, or should it go here? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopsm1416-jpg.jpg
[03:50] <lex79> in synaptic it's in description, but seems better in your position
[03:50] <lex79> opensuse will come out with oxygen-molecule by default o.O
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> opensuse will ship a gtk theme that doesn't support color schemes by default :P
[03:51] <lex79> right I know
[03:51] <lex79> :)
[03:52] <lex79> ScottK: libvpx is in Universe, ffmpeg needs it to build
[04:03] <ScottK> lex79: Ask siretart if it should be promoted or dropped.
[04:06] <lex79> ok
[04:07] <ScottK> Only 7 new FTBFS on armel tonight.
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> New thought: hide the details tabbar until you've clicked a package: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopv16382-jpg.jpg
[04:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We've got quite a few Universe armel FTBFS in KDE packages.  NCommander says they are mostly trivial to fix is someone knows any C++.  Would you have a suggestion for someone (not you) he could teach how to fix these?
[08:04] <Nightrose> ScottK: hehe you're welcome
[08:40] <apachelogger> ohhh
[08:40] <apachelogger> anyone on maverick around?
[08:40] <apachelogger> or lucid, just not with PPA packages?
[08:40] <apachelogger> actually, anything KDE 4 without PPA packages is sufficient ^^
[08:43] <jussi> not I said the hedgehog
[08:47] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:47] <apachelogger> brrr
[08:48] <apachelogger> if KConfig's code style would be any more different across files one would not know they belong to each other
[08:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:49]  * apachelogger feels dizzy all of a sudden
[08:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: once I have done this general desktop-file-translation-lookup-stuff we might consider trying to make PPA builds not attach a translation domain to the desktop file
[08:58] <apachelogger> that saves us from adding the appropriate catalog each time an affected desktop file gets loaded, even if it was not eaten by the binarymangler
[08:59] <apachelogger> same goes for packages outside the kubuntu package set I suppose
[09:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: could you push the i'm going to akademy image to the kubuntu server?
[09:09] <Nightrose> everyone is hotlinking my image and i'm not sure how much my server likes that 
[09:09] <Nightrose> i might need to take it down
[09:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why not put it on kollide?
[10:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: because i'd like my stuff on my server ;-)
[10:00] <Nightrose> just not exactly hot on everyone hotlinking the image from there
[10:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I mean the image on kollide :P
[10:00] <Nightrose> i know
[10:00] <apachelogger> wouldnt be any different from having it on kubuntu servers?
[10:01] <Nightrose> nooooo
[10:01] <Nightrose> my image is hotlinked on kubuntu.org
[10:01] <Nightrose> latest news
[10:01] <apachelogger> ah
[10:01] <apachelogger> AH ^^
[10:01] <Nightrose> right
[10:01] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:03] <apachelogger> hm, right, there was something about the content boxes
[10:07] <apachelogger> this is quite the pain in the neck
[10:09] <apachelogger> ahhh
[10:09] <apachelogger> getting there
[10:09] <Nightrose> \o/
[10:10]  * Nightrose vanishes for a while
[10:10] <Nightrose> :*
[10:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: fix0red
[10:11] <apachelogger> ryanakca: can we please do something about the usability of that butterfly... >5 minutes to just get an image uploaded is a bit of too long
[10:12]  * apachelogger closes the 3 additional browsers he opened
[10:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :*
[10:21] <Quintasan> jussi: \o
[10:21] <jussi> hiya Quintasan
[10:22] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger 
[10:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: hello
[10:24] <Riddell> morning Quintasan 
[10:24]  * apachelogger just noticed that he should probably be doing other things than fixing our desktop translations so that he shall get a B in his discrete maths course :P
[10:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1888334
[10:30] <apachelogger> any thoughts on line 29?
[10:31] <apachelogger> copying the global klocale seems like the saver choice OTOH it also includes loads of stuff we do not need for desktop files (e.g. syscatalogs)
[10:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: saver compared to what?
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: KLocale(nameOfDesktopCatalog);
[10:38]  * apachelogger somehow has the impression that new klocale instances get somehow based on the global one anyway though
[10:38] <Riddell> does your valgrind stuff have an opinion?
[10:40] <apachelogger> not really, difference would be marginal eitherway
[10:40] <apachelogger> hm
[10:42] <apachelogger> brrr
[10:42] <apachelogger> implicit cctor ^^
[10:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: from a low level POV the cctor ought to be considerable more expensive, also ctor with just a catalog name seems to be doing more closely what is required for the desktopfile usecase
[10:44] <apachelogger> well then
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: supposedly the new desktop file patch is done, and does not cause much of a noticable overhead compared to unpatched KDE
[10:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does it compare to the old patch?
[10:46] <Riddell> and actually how does it compare to the suse patch if you looked at that (code wise)?
[10:49] <apachelogger> code wise compared to the old patch it does hook in at a higher level (old was in kconfig, which would then trigger at least a load of unrelated if conditions), on the performance side context menus in dolphin now open almost instantly, whereas old patch caused a delay of roughly 3 to 4 seconds on my machine
[10:49] <Riddell> sounds like another apachelogger victory!
[10:49] <apachelogger> the new patch is based on the suse patch, however more efficient because suse uses it as fallback, whereas we use it as override, hence we can do a simple if locale == 0, suse needs to check if the key is translatable via the desktop file
[10:50]  * apachelogger needs to talk to suse about their patch, because actually it can be improved using qstringbuilder ^^
[10:52] <Riddell> I briefly tried engaging lubos about it but he went a bit vauge 
[10:53] <apachelogger> well, it is pretty straight forward, they just introduce a new function that is used when reading the name, comment or genericname of a desktop file, this function will then try to translate the key using the data available in the desktop file itself, if that fails they translateRaw via KLocale
[10:54] <apachelogger> oh that said, their approach also differs from ours in that we do have multiple gettext domains which requires our ctor to introduce a private locale member, suse only got one and adds it at global scope as system catalog in klocale.cpp
[10:54] <apachelogger> that is https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=add-suse-translations.diff&package=kdelibs4&project=openSUSE:11.2
[10:55] <Riddell> NCommander, agateau: if you guys want bof sessions at akademy they need to be added to the wiki now
[10:55] <Riddell> Nightrose: these wiki pages are problematic, there's no end time for the sessions http://community.kde.org/Events/Akademy/2010/Wednesday
[10:56] <Riddell> or maybe they really are three hour sessions in the morning
[10:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: hmmmm i don't have time atm to fix any of it sorry :/
[10:58]  * apachelogger browses through kickoff looking for regressions
[11:17] <nebula> help
[11:17] <nebula> http://gracca.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/screenshot-daisy.jpg
[11:17] <nebula> ?
[11:18] <apachelogger> no fedora please
[11:24] <ryanakca> apachelogger: butterffly?
[11:24] <apachelogger> hm, actually butterbunny
[11:27] <nebula> inUtileBar install but it will nowhere be obtained so why please help
[11:27] <nebula> ?
[11:27] <Riddell> nebula: try #ubuntu-bg
[11:28] <ryanakca> butterbunny?
[11:29]  * ryanakca figures apachelogger is way past the balmer peak and decides to go get ready for his last high school exam
[11:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: good luck
[11:30] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is coming from fregl, not me :P
[11:30] <apachelogger> ryanakca: good luck with the exam :)
[11:31] <ryanakca> Thanks :)
[11:32] <apachelogger> brrrrr
[11:32] <apachelogger> hooray for intltool create po files
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I finally found out why hardware drivers was not translated all those years ^^
[11:33] <apachelogger> and it is not our fault
[11:33] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/jockey/+pots/jockey/de/20/+translate
[11:34] <apachelogger> is supposed to be the name used in the desktopfile
[11:34] <apachelogger> it however lacks context
[11:34] <apachelogger> we however try to translate by precise context
[11:34] <apachelogger> i.e. context: Name, value: Hardware Drivers
[11:34] <apachelogger> which returns Hardware Drivers because there is no context 
[11:35] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+pots/desktop-kdeplasma-addons/de/32/+translate
[11:35] <apachelogger> OTOH provides a context and therefore gets translated properly
[11:37] <fregl> apachelogger: what is coming from me?
[11:38] <apachelogger> fregl: butterbunny
[11:38] <fregl> ah, that's when you can draw neither... butterfly nor bunny :D
[11:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: intltool fail?
[11:38] <apachelogger> most likely, maybe it is intentional *shrug*
[11:38] <apachelogger> I poked pitti about it
[11:40] <apachelogger> If it is intentional then it is a major PITA since we only can solve this by not looking up with context on general purpose, which seems wrong, or we try a second lookup without context if one with context did return untranslated
[11:40] <apachelogger> which is a waste of cpu cycles of course
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: also see bug 597216
[12:34] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/j0OPqZF.html \o/
[12:36] <Riddell> yay
[12:47] <apachelogger> hm, there might be an unaddressed case in the current desktopfile magic
[12:50] <NCommander> Riddell: what BoF sessions have you scheluded
[12:50] <Riddell> NCommander: none but you should schedule your one for arm
[12:51] <NCommander> Riddell: indeed
[13:05] <apachelogger> kde rev 976980
[13:22]  * apachelogger blinks because of the code of that applet
[13:25]  * apachelogger abandons hope to make the pastebin applet support pasteubuntucom
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: ping ^^
[13:59] <apachelogger> well...
[14:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is one thing that troubles me with the current desktopfile implementation ... as it stands it will prefer mo translations over desktop file whenever the gettext domain is defined
[14:00] <apachelogger> that however is an inherit problem caused by pkg-kde-tools adding the gettext domain entry even if not used (i.e. in non-archive builds)
[14:01] <apachelogger> so either we fix pkg-kde-tools or we introduce at least 2 additional methods that help detect if the desktop file contains translations itself and use that instead of looking them up via klocale
[14:02] <apachelogger> I find former the better choice :)
[14:02] <Riddell> how would you change that in pkg-kde-tools?
[14:04] <apachelogger> not sure yet, but IIRC pkgbinarymangler also has some magic embedded to check whether it is building on a PPA
[14:04] <Riddell> I think it's just not enabled on the PPAs
[14:05] <Riddell> it's an option in dpkg-something
[14:07] <nixternal> hola!
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1888439
[14:07] <apachelogger> dpkg-deb as seen in pkgbinarymangler
[14:07] <apachelogger> yo nixternal
[14:08] <apachelogger> I am wondering where /CurrentlyBuilding is coming from.
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose since there is purpose: ppa there is also a purpose for archive builds
[14:09] <nixternal> I was hoping my new computer would arrive today, but it will at least be here by tomorrow.. \o/ woohoo
[14:10]  * apachelogger wishes he would get a new computer with ssd ^^
[14:12] <txwikinger> what could switch off the screen every 15 secs in plasma-netbook?
[14:12] <txwikinger> actually less than 15 secs
[14:12] <nixternal> apachelogger: yeah, no SSD in this machine...just a simple dual core processor with 4gb of ram and a NVIDIA card :/
[14:13] <nixternal> not gonna complain since it is a freeby
[14:16] <apachelogger> oh, sweet :)
[14:18] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141309 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.h Make the set* functions public Q_SLOTS so that things can connect to them as slots. (E.g. buttons)
[14:25] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141312 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h package.cpp package.h) API change: Less mysterious bool variables as function arguments; split out purging into its own function
[14:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ping, where are you changes to kdenetwork for google talk/chat?
[14:30] <dantti> I tested the installer with nomodset on that vaio vpc cw13 and it shows up the installer now, I haven't installed though but i guess the only problem i might have is not having nomodset on the grub menu... will I have it?
[14:31] <dantti> btw is anything you need to know to "fix" for next cd?
[14:33] <echidnaman> !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer
[14:33] <Riddell> dantti: you can do the install and chroot in and edit the grub config if you want to be sure
[14:33] <echidnaman> !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer lucid
[14:34] <Riddell> dantti: I think you'd need to test a maverick CD to know if it needs reported for maverick
[14:34] <apachelogger> yay
[14:34] <apachelogger> http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=de#--GuQp5Xmnw/trunk/lib/lp/soyuz/doc/buildd-slavescanner.txt&q=purpose%20ppa%20buildd&exact_package=http://launchpad-code-search.googlecode.com/svn&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer lucid
[14:34] <apachelogger> We also pass arguments called 'suite' which is the current distroseries and
[14:34] <apachelogger> pocket, (e.g. edgy-updates) and 'archive_purpose' which contains the build's
[14:34] <apachelogger> archive.purpose (e.g. PRIMARY or PPA).  These latter two arguments are
[14:34] <apachelogger> used in the chroot to determine whether it needs to turn on some features
[14:34] <apachelogger> or not (like pkgstriptranslations and pkgmaintainermangler).
[14:34] <dantti> Riddell: right, after I install that I'll test maverik then
[14:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: check if /CurrentlyBuilding is present, if it is and contains purpose: PRIMARY -> add ubuntu gettext domain
[14:35] <apachelogger> else do nothing
[14:36] <dantti> Riddell: btw there is a change that I find time to add screenshot support to kpk, as you had packaged PackageKit last time do you think going to 0.6 will be a problem? ( I think the next fedora will have 0.6 by default)
[14:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: suspiciously easy
[14:37] <Riddell> dantti: we already have kpackagekit 0.6
[14:37] <Riddell> I uploaded that last week
[14:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you only think that it is easy because you did not have to search for that documentation ;)
[14:37] <Riddell> dantti: also search is broken in packagekit-backend-apt so there's a good case to switch to aptcc 
[14:38] <dantti> Riddell: hmm nice :D there are more things broken in backend-apt, I couldn't refresh my cache when I  was behind a proxy
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopg16382-jpg.jpg
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> I took some of your suggestions ;)
[14:39] <Riddell> dantti: how would screenshot support work?  where would it get the screenshots from?
[14:39] <dantti> Riddell: and also I asked you about using the session interface of packagekit to install the codecs and such so we don't have the proxy problem there too
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: debian has a screenshot website that all the package managers use
[14:39] <Riddell> it does?
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> yup yup
[14:39] <dantti> Riddell: well Synaptics has screenshot support right? I just need to change PackageKit to give me that info
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> http://screenshots.debian.net/
[14:40] <Riddell> I don't think Synaptics does
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> synaptic does
[14:40] <dantti> here it does :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you ought to took all ... I am now specialist in human-computer interaction :P
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: :P
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Just grab http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/pkgname or http://screenshots.debian.net/thumbnail/pkgname for thumbnails
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> the website does "no image available" handling
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> It's all quite sweet ^.^
[14:43] <dantti> JontheEchidna: nice :D
[14:45] <dantti> I'm going to change packagekit to emit packageData() which can give me any info that is predifined on an enum this way backends that don't support screen shots simply don't send the screen shot data ..
[14:46] <dantti> the only problem is that with the current package view it's not so cool to see even a thumbnail
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> and all without Qt D:
[14:49] <apachelogger> suggestions on making parts of a make target conditional without linebreak excaping a billion lines?
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get u1-kde to work btw?
[15:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: I got files to sync, I don't think i got any dolphin integration to work
[15:17] <apachelogger> hm
[15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you are on kde 4.5 pre-release you need to activate it in the settings?
[15:18] <apachelogger> and add a .ubuntuone file in the directory
[15:19] <Riddell> yes did that
[15:19] <Riddell> what should I be able to do having done that?
[15:19] <apachelogger> nothing, it should just display graphic emblems representing the status of the items
[15:20] <Riddell> I seem to have a square emblem
[15:20] <Riddell> what does that mean?
[15:20] <apachelogger> that is when it is up-to-date
[15:21] <apachelogger> if you add a new file it should have a green arrow 
[15:21] <apachelogger> if you hit f5 after a bit it should be a square too
[15:22] <Riddell> it's always a square
[15:22] <Riddell> even if I copy in a large .iso file
[15:22] <apachelogger> hm
[15:22] <Riddell> and it doesn't appear in my files on the website
[15:22] <Riddell> this is just a random directory
[15:22] <apachelogger> not good
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh
[15:22] <apachelogger> ~/Ubuntu One/
[15:23] <apachelogger> also subdirs are not supported
[15:23] <apachelogger> (all limitations of the current dolphin plugin interface unfortunately)
[15:24] <Riddell> putting .ubuntuone in ~/Ubuntu One/ adds square emblems to files but new .iso file is a square too
[15:24] <Riddell> ooh it's an arrow now
[15:24] <Riddell> looks like a link
[15:25] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/PqXln7.html
[15:25] <Riddell> yes like that
[15:25] <apachelogger> well, it is all a bit limited, I hope to get a proper plugin interface for 4.6
[15:26] <apachelogger> becuase unfortuantely you cannot do this stuff via slaves
[15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: pkg-kde-tools is changed to only do l10n stuff on Purpose: PRIMARY .... but only for the .sh scripts
[15:31] <apachelogger> doing that in makefile syntax is a bit of a PITA TBH
[15:32] <Riddell> alas makefile is what most of the KDE SC packages still use
[15:34] <apachelogger> which one?
[15:34]  * apachelogger thinks we are supporting too many build stuff at once -.-
[15:34] <apachelogger> ah
[15:34] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk
[15:34] <apachelogger> cdbs
[15:35] <apachelogger> at least for kdelibs
[15:35] <apachelogger> well then
[15:35]  * apachelogger does ugly things
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: kdenetwork uploaded with google talk support!
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: awesome awesome :D
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: did you close that bug with the upload or will i have to close manually ?
[15:43]  * shadeslayer_ thinks one library was left for inclusion in main...
[15:44]  * apachelogger is all sorts of scared
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: asac said I could just promote them and someone will worry about the MIRs later so we may will have issues there when anyone looks at them
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I filed a MIR for srtp
[15:45]  * shadeslayer_ dances with joy
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: pong
[15:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh did you do the doodle thing?
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yes
[15:45]  * shadeslayer_ gets the link
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5
[15:46] <ScottK> Link should go in /topic
[15:47] <shadeslayer_> sure thing
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: any progress on the rekonq mir?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> yay: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/06/22/qt-assistant-compat-version-available-as-extra-source-package/
[15:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: likewise I moved it to main
[15:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: however rekonq is crashy as anything currently :(
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> :(
[15:54] <Riddell> flash seems to kill it although even without it crashes
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> maybe we need a newer qtwebkit snapshot
[15:55] <Riddell> I think upstream are aware and it's due to a new flash version
[15:55]  * shadeslayer_ thinks next monday works out best as meeting day :)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: it does seem to yes
[15:56] <shadeslayer_> agateau: did you get the doodle link?
[15:56] <shadeslayer_> agateau: http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5 << In case you didnt get it ;)
[15:56] <agateau> shadeslayer_: /me checks mail
[15:57] <shadeslayer_> i dont think i mailed it seprately.... sent out the link via IRC only
[15:59] <agateau> shadeslayer_: that would be the reason then,
[16:00] <agateau> shadeslayer_: did my checkbox duty :)
[16:00] <shadeslayer_> hehe :D
[16:02] <apachelogger> hmm
[16:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: make doesnt like me today :(
[16:02] <shadeslayer_> oh whee : http://twitter.com/ubuntustatus/status/16332999727
[16:02] <shadeslayer_> well latest updates say everything is fine tho :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: apply for : http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UTA/ : :P
[16:05]  * shadeslayer_ goes and works on qipmsg 
[16:06] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: order pringles for everyone
[16:06]  * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get pringles for everyone - might take some time.
[16:06]  * kubotu is back and slides pringles down the bar to everyone
[16:06] <apachelogger> Extraordinary organizational and leadership skill, with a passion for attention to detail.
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: cant
[16:06] <apachelogger> detail--
[16:06] <apachelogger> :P
[16:07] <shadeslayer_> hehe :)
[16:07] <apachelogger> oh oh
[16:07]  * apachelogger should go showery
[16:09] <shadeslayer_> stupid new kernel... keeps toggling bluetooth radio.. mouse freezes... grumble grumble.... 
[16:09] <shadeslayer_> brb...
[16:11]  * JontheEchidna thinks that HCI is all details :P
[16:12] <apachelogger> HCI++
[16:12]  * apachelogger is a bit unhappy about the amount of debug from make
[16:12] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:13] <apachelogger> apachelogger->shower();
[16:22]  * shadeslayer_ didnt know apachelogger was a pointer....
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> i thought you was a object :P
[16:24] <Quintasan> **apachelogger
[16:24] <Quintasan> he is a pointer to a pointer
[16:30] <shadeslayer_> hehe ...
[16:31] <shadeslayer_> well technically speaking, apachelogger is a Nick which is a pointer to Harald Sitter which is again a pointer to the actual person :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer_> so Quintasan++ :P
[16:33] <apachelogger> well
[16:33] <apachelogger> first of all
[16:33] <apachelogger> ++Quintasan :P
[16:33] <apachelogger> second
[16:33] <apachelogger> why would the nick point to my real name?
[16:33]  * shadeslayer_ has no idea which year he should specify in copyright :)
[16:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 
[16:33] <Quintasan> [17:33] [Whois] apachelogger jest ~harald@kde/developer/sitter (Harald Sitter)
[16:33] <Quintasan> :D
[16:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: copyright for what?
[16:33] <apachelogger> well
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> hahaha :D
[16:33] <apachelogger> if I change my irc name?
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: the debian/copyright file
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell, JontheEchidna, apachelogger, Tonio_, anyone else messing with kubuntu-meta: The current process I came up with to build kubuntu-mobile from Universe is quite fugly, but documented, so please notice the new README and ping me for questions.  I do hope to improve this.
[16:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: then you lose ur developer rights
[16:34] <Quintasan> :P
[16:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: Hello.  Didn't see you for a while.
[16:34] <apachelogger> if anything then apachelogger is a pointer to a struct that represents my IRC identity which then holds a pointer or instance of me
[16:34] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: im packaging some new packages ( qipmsg in this case )
[16:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: roger
[16:35] <shadeslayer_> s/packages/tarballs
[16:36] <ScottK> Tonio_: kdesudo is FTBFS due to a new docbook dtd in KDE.  Could you have a look at that (see the armel FTBFS in maverick for details)?
[16:38] <shadeslayer_> Sput: around?
[16:38] <Tonio_> ScottK, yup I'll have a look toonight probably
[16:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.
[16:42] <apachelogger> aahh
[16:42] <apachelogger> omg
[16:42]  * apachelogger cant write no makefiles no more
[16:42]  * apachelogger shall write proper debian/rules again
[16:42] <apachelogger> this dh7 stuff is making one forget all the important things
[16:52] <nixternal> hey, how is KDE with NVIDIA? my new lappy has an nvidia card and I am way to use to Intel
[16:54] <Timo_> nvidia is best performance
[16:54] <Riddell> can't say I've had the privilage to try
[16:56] <jjesse> nixternal you have a new lappy?
[16:56] <nixternal> getting it tomorrow from zareason
[16:56] <jjesse> nice
[16:56] <nixternal> was hoping they would deliver it today, but it looks via tracking tomorrow
[16:56] <nixternal> i can get back into the swing of things and get back to contributing again :)
[16:57]  * shadeslayer_ has nvidia
[16:57] <nixternal> Timo_: is that using proprietary driver or the free version?
[16:57] <shadeslayer_> nixternal: its blazing fast with nvidia drivers
[16:57] <Timo_> yes
[16:57] <Timo_> 195.36
[16:57] <jjesse> did you whore yourself out to get it :)
[16:57] <nixternal> yeah
[16:57] <nixternal> haha
[16:57] <jjesse> nice
[16:57] <jjesse> where you cheap?
[16:57] <shadeslayer_> nixternal: the nouveau ones are sluggish :)
[16:57] <nixternal> always cheap
[16:58] <nixternal> it is just a simple dual core, 4gb of ram, and a 160gb drive...nothing fancy but perfect for what i need
[16:58] <nixternal> should be faster than my previous laptop that died
[16:58] <Timo_> kde 4.3.5 working perfectly my nvidia geforce 9300
[16:59] <nixternal> one thing i have learned about netbooks though in the past couple of weeks...oh boy they suck for anything other than browsing the web or playing a game, and they almost suck at that too
[16:59] <nixternal> this has an nvidia 8200 gpu...sounds old when compared to a 9300
[17:00] <nixternal> should be powerful enough to run vista right? :p
[17:00] <jjesse> hahah
[17:00] <jjesse> totally
[17:01] <Timo_> vista -> cheeze?
[17:02] <nixternal> well I want to be cool like jjesse. he writes documentation for kubuntu and kde with vista...that's hardcore!
[17:02] <jjesse> nixternal actually w/ windows 7 now :)
[17:02] <jjesse> bzr + ssh on windows 7 to commit for the win :)
[17:03] <nixternal> bzr for windows? *cringe*
[17:03] <jjesse> well running bzr on my windows 7 box
[17:03] <Timo_> wyf?
[17:03] <jjesse> and then use pagent for ssh key management
[17:03] <Timo_> wtf?
[17:04] <jjesse> or ssh to ubuntu netbook to write the docs in nano  :)
[17:04] <nixternal> nano? oh wow, your geek cred is dropping tremendously
[17:05] <Timo_> nano in windows?
[17:05] <nixternal> nano anywhere, though I am using vim now, so i feel my geek cred has dropped as well :p
[17:05]  * nixternal strives to switch back to emacs again one of these days
[17:06] <Timo_> i'm using kate, is the best for programming
[17:06] <Timo_> and mc for ssh
[17:07] <jjesse> i have no geek cred :)
[17:16] <nixternal> i used to love kate in the 3.x days. haven't really used it much since then...for some odd reason, i do more work in a terminal than anywhere else
[17:17] <Timo_> kate is the best and faster
[17:17] <Timo_> than cmd programs
[17:18] <Quintasan> hell no
[17:18] <Quintasan> ++vim
[17:20] <nixternal> yeah, i am using vim now. so many lovely plugins, but I still miss emacs, even though I have totally forgotten how to use it like I once did
[17:35] <txwikinger> why would kded4 have almost 10000 defunct child processes?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> I'm trying to think of a better name for fetchChangelogOrScreenshot(const QUrl &url);
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> any thoughts?
[17:43] <nixternal> getLogOrShot(const QUrl &url);
[17:43] <nixternal> getSomeDamnGoodInfo(const QUrl &url);
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> :D
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> QString fetchPackageData(const QUrl &url);
[17:44] <nixternal> shitsCrashingFindOutWhy(const QUrl &url);
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> ^Will have to use that in Dr. Konqi
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> hrm, actually, my function should return a local qurl that I can pass on to QFile
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: poke
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: please confirm your meet timings @ http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5
[18:01] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: lol... max participants if meeting is in half an hour :P
[18:02]  * shadeslayer_ thinks that wont be possible :P
[18:02] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: are you able to delete an entry in this survey?
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: 2 entries ?
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> yes
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> which one?
[18:03] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: the first Christian Mangold, who has time tomorrow :)
[18:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I remembered I need to go out in < an hour so that's not possible for me
[18:03] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ah ok :)
[18:03] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: sure
[18:04] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: done
[18:04] <neversfelde> thanks
[18:04] <neversfelde> thought that this is for 21 - 23 of July
[18:07] <shadeslayer_> hehe...
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> im thinking of adding more days to the poll tho...
[18:09] <Riddell> you don't need everyone
[18:09] <Riddell> one reason we have a large council is so it's easy to get quorum (3)
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> hmm ok :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer_> whoa... loads of new uploads
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: thanks for libyahoo :)
[18:12] <nixternal> be back later all...t minus 24 hours until new puter!
[18:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: when I'm on archive duty, things happen :)
[18:14] <shadeslayer_> :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> we might have to update qtcreator too... it isnt picking up installed examples and im working on it 
[18:26] <Riddell> lex79: where can I get the digikam tar?
[18:28] <Riddell> ooh http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/digikam/digikam-1.3.0.tar.bz2
[18:28] <Riddell> nifty
[18:29] <Riddell> uploaded, thanks lex79 
[18:37]  * shadeslayer_ thinks
[18:38] <shadeslayer_> qt4-demos seems broken... :(
[18:39] <shadeslayer_> qtcreator is trying to search demos in demosPath + "/qtdemo/xml/examples.xml" , where demosPath == /usr/lib/qt4/examples , but that file doest exsist
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: pokey
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/78FNqyc8 
[18:51]  * shadeslayer_ thinks we will have to patch qtcreator
[18:51] <shadeslayer_> but first to find the darn XML file :P
[18:52] <Quintasan> fck yea, sense ui on mah milestone!
[18:52] <shadeslayer_> 0_o
[18:53]  * shadeslayer_ wants a android phone too
[18:53] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: is milestone >> droid ?
[18:54] <Quintasan> nope
[18:54] <Quintasan> milestone is Droid with locked bootloader
[18:54] <Quintasan> meaning no custom roms
[18:54] <shadeslayer_> haha...
[18:54] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: are custom roms better ? 
[18:54] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: btw do you have qtcreator installed?
[18:56] <Quintasan> yes
[18:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: ^
[18:56] <Quintasan> I do have qt creator installed
[18:56] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: and what about qt4-demos ?
[18:56] <shadeslayer_> Blizzz: hey :)
[18:57] <Blizzz> shadeslayer_: ho! ;)
[18:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: installed too
[18:57] <Quintasan> Blizzz: \o
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: and when you start qtcreator,does it pick up installed examples?
[18:57]  * shadeslayer_ just completed learning signals and slots
[18:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: Examples are not installed
[18:58] <Quintasan> is what Qt Creator says
[18:58] <shadeslayer_> :(
[18:58] <Blizzz> Quintasan: hi 
[18:58] <shadeslayer_> its searching for a xml file for the demos,but cant find it :|
[18:58] <shadeslayer_> neither does the package have it :P
[19:01] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: oh i forgot to upload the fixed kdegames for lucid :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer_> bhargav: \o
[19:04] <bhargav> shadeslayer_: hey :)
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> needs a bit of work... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopug7962-jpg.jpg
[19:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: is this going to land in maverick? and what is this? kpk?
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: probably no, and Muon
[19:12] <shadeslayer> oh.. Muon Package manager?
[19:12] <sgh> Hi.... where has sun-java6 gone in maverick. Is it intentionally missing ?
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> sgh: Checked the partner repos? (May have to use the lucid ones until maverick is released)
[19:13] <shadeslayer> sgh: seems so 
[19:15] <sgh> JontheEchidna: shadeslayer ok.... can I do anything to speed up help the process? I don't know the procedure around the partners repo.
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> They usually don't have one for release+1 until near the release
[19:15] <shadeslayer> sgh: ^^
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> Probably some corporate junk or somesuch
[19:15] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:15] <shadeslayer> sgh: use open jdk
[19:16] <sgh> shadeslayer: yaach .... but it has this realy nasty bug that keeps me and many other to use it for web banking.
[19:16] <shadeslayer> sgh: hmm.. well you can always download the ones from lucid and install those
[19:17] <sgh> shadeslayer: thanks ..... will do that then.
[19:17] <shadeslayer> sgh: you might have to force dpkg to install them,and they might not always run :)
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> that's a bit better :) http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxa7962-jpg.jpg
[19:19] <sgh> shadeslayer: I cross my fingers for binary compatabillity.
[19:19] <shadeslayer> sgh: :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw will this be the next default package manager for KDE? or are you doing this for Kubuntu ?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> For Debian-based systems
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> I should really blog about it, but I always think its not ready...
[19:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: 'looks' ready to me :P
[19:23]  * JontheEchidna giggles
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> "Details" and "Installed Files" are the only tabs working atm
[19:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so just show those screenshots :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> no need to show all of the tabs working :P
[19:25] <shadeslayer> and at then end say WIP on the package manager xD
[19:25] <jjesse> or pleaze help so this gets into kubuntu :)
[19:25] <sgh> shadeslayer: btw. this is the bug on openjdk https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/527139
[19:26]  * shadeslayer checks
[19:26] <shadeslayer> shows missing plugin here :P
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> gotta fix that: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopor7962-jpg.jpg
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> (and perhaps give it a nicer error message)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: if the screenshot doesnt exsist,you could try a ping to the address and then if it doesnt respond,gray out the Get Screenshot button....
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uploading fixed kdegames to backport ppa
[19:34] <shadeslayer> +beta 
[19:35] <Quintasan> awesome
[19:40] <apachelogger> ......
[19:40] <apachelogger> *fluff*
[19:40] <apachelogger> ifeq ($(shell grep -qs '^Purpose: PRIMARY' /CurrentlyBuilding && echo 0),0) \o/
[19:41] <Blizzz> at least no brummmmmmm-sounds, apachelogger
[19:41] <apachelogger> oink oink
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1888702
[19:47] <apachelogger> most notibly line 35-37 & 56-58 for super modern build system, 105 & 146 for not so modern dh7 build system, 152 & 162 for stinky old cdbs
[19:48] <apachelogger> only if  grep -qs '^Purpose: PRIMARY' /CurrentlyBuilding exists with 0 (which it will only do if the file exists and a line Purpse: PRIMARY is available) the whole l10n stuff gets exectued
[19:49] <apachelogger> otherwise we ship un-altered upstream stuff
[19:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wind quickly looking over http://pastebin.ca/1888706
[19:51] <apachelogger> s/wind/mind
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this prevents .desktop pollution for universe packages?
[19:52] <apachelogger> nope
[19:53] <apachelogger> for PPA and anything that is not archive
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> ah, kk
[19:53]  * apachelogger is not yet sure how to prevent universe from getting poluted
[19:53] <lex79> echo "brummm" 
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> shell scripting was never my strong point, but it looks sane
[19:53] <lex79> lol
[19:53] <apachelogger> lol
[19:53] <apachelogger> debugging--
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> :g:
[19:54] <lex79> :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.ca/1888708
[19:56] <apachelogger> less crazy
[20:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: supposedly one could use the same appraoch for universe seperation, if I get this python scripty here correctly then it ought to launch sbuild on the buildd with the target component
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> It would be nice if all translations mucking could be prevented for universe
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> New idea: Fail silently and disable the screenshot: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxt7962-jpg.jpg
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> Maybe I could put an error message in the statusbar sort've like dolphin does later
[20:04] <lex79> sometimes we had uploaded the packages from ppa to archive, but I don't remember if we only copied or we also build...this can make a difference?
[20:04] <apachelogger> oh
[20:04] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[20:05] <apachelogger> oh it is
[20:05] <apachelogger> sweetneess
[20:05] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.ca/1888716
[20:05] <apachelogger> I guess component: is either, main restricted or universe
[20:06] <apachelogger> I'll upload for now using what I have, should there be problems it is easier to trace
[20:07] <apachelogger> if everything works out we can add main OR restricted as additional condition
[20:30] <apachelogger> !info qtgain lucid-backports
[20:30] <apachelogger> :(
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopvg7962-jpg.jpg
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> libqapt bug makes it only work for packages in main... will have to fix that
[20:35] <apachelogger> yay
[20:35] <apachelogger> bugs++
[20:35] <apachelogger> ;)
[20:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the frame around the left hand filter box already makes it look a lot less crappy really
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ~karma
[20:36] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 19
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ~karma bugs
[20:36] <kubotu> bugs has neutral karma
[20:37] <apachelogger> poor bugs :(
[20:46] <shadeslayer_> should i mark bug 503622 as invalid or fix released?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> Fixed I guess, since there was an upgrade between not working -> working
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> doesn't matter all to much though
[20:48] <shadeslayer_> :P
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> Hrm, KDE Desktop Environment is somewhat tautological
[20:50]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to say that in regards to a package group in the New World Branding Order
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> blah, for such a high speed network the connection sure is flakey
[21:01] <dantti> JontheEchidna: hey, I'm going home now, but we need to share that change log code :P i could not rewrite the python-apt regex yet to get that data
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> dantti: coincidentally I'm going too
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> dantti: It's in libqapt/src/package.cpp
[21:01] <dantti> :P cya then...
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> (If I'm not home soon)
[21:02] <shadeslayer_> seems bug 515138 and bug 597393 are dupes
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: do you think i should read after "Building the example" in http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/signalsandslots.html
[21:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: huh?
[21:09] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: the part after Building the Example in the above link
[21:09] <shadeslayer_> the Meta object information and stuff...
[21:10] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:10] <apachelogger> interesting things that is
[21:10] <apachelogger> meta objects are very important at times :)
[21:11] <apachelogger> well
[21:11] <apachelogger> nothing terribly interesting in those sections
[21:11] <apachelogger> the parts about singals and slots individually might be worth reading
[21:11] <apachelogger> but the other stuff is not terribly interesting
[21:35] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ok :)
[21:44] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: I guess no Meeting today or tomorrow?
[21:44] <neversfelde> btw was it announced on the list
[21:45] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: hmm
[21:45] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: which list?
[21:45] <neversfelde> the poll I mean
[21:45] <neversfelde> kubuntu-devel
[21:45] <shadeslayer_> uh.. i didnt get any mail about that :)
[21:46] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: and probably no meeting today or tomorrow :)
[21:47] <neversfelde> k
[21:52] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: I think it would be great, if polls for meeting times and meetings would be announced somewhere ;)
[21:52] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: hmm.. /topic ?
[21:52] <shadeslayer_> :P
[21:53] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: do we need to announce this on the list as well?
[21:53] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: not everyone is here regurlarly and not everyone reads the topic
[21:54] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: should i announce it? or will you do it?
[21:54] <neversfelde> so I think it is really necessary to announce it on the list as well
[21:55] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: I think we need another poll first, if there's no meeting today or tomorrow?
[21:55] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: theres a option open on the 28th as well
[21:55] <shadeslayer_> and i can extend the dates as well...
[21:56] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: how can I change my vote?
[21:56] <neversfelde> I am not registered atm on doodle
[21:56] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: theres a link at the bottom of the poll i think
[21:57] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: edit a entry :)
[21:58] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: where is the option for th 28th?
[21:58] <neversfelde> ah found it
[21:58] <neversfelde> sorry
[21:58] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: theres a scrollbar at the bottom :P
[21:58] <neversfelde> yeah, my browser window did not show it
[21:59] <shadeslayer_> hehe... btw didnt you know about the other dates? :)
[21:59] <shadeslayer_> or were you free only today and tommorow :P
[22:00] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: no, I did not know
[22:00] <shadeslayer_> :D
[22:00] <neversfelde> it looked like there were only yesterday, today or tomorrow
[22:00] <neversfelde> but I changed it now :)
[22:01] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: :0
[22:01] <shadeslayer_> i mean :)
[22:02] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: so should i announce it on the list as well?
[22:02] <neversfelde> a good idea I think
[22:03] <shadeslayer_> ok.. ill do it :)
[22:07] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: mail sent :)
[22:07] <neversfelde> :)
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> anyone heard of screencasts.ubuntu.com ?
[22:21] <shadeslayer_> its pretty awesome :)
[22:23] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: isn't there another member application, I remember that I read the wiki page of ofirk?
[22:24] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: yes,but he hasnt asked on launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[22:24] <shadeslayer_> you have to join that team as well
[22:24] <shadeslayer_> one of the requirements,also the application is very old... so i was not sure
[22:26] <neversfelde> yes, I thin I talked to him about kubunut.org a few weeks agon, so he's present
[22:26] <neversfelde> s/agon/ago
[22:27] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: also he hasnt added himself to the agenda on the wiki,so the next time he comes in,can you poke him about this?
[22:27] <shadeslayer_> he never seems to be around when im in :P
[22:27] <neversfelde> sure
[22:28] <neversfelde> I will talk to him, if I see him here
[22:28] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: oh and one more thing,can you also ask him to update the site with the latest KDE themes? the new default wallpaper and stuff
[22:28] <shadeslayer_> ( staging.kubuntu.org )
[22:29] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: the site?
[22:29] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: yes
[22:29] <shadeslayer_> the new one 
[22:29] <neversfelde> k
[22:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: your makefile foo is truely elite
[23:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: w00t ... kopete built on main servers ;)