[00:17] Nightrose: Looks like wordpress.com will work for me. [00:17] Thanks. [00:35] we lost Scott! [00:47] ScottK: Riddell: mcasadevall@daybreak:~/src/kde/kdebase/workspace$ svn ci -m "Cast qMax calls so kdebase-workspace will build on qreal == float platforms" [00:47] Envoi workspace/plasma/desktop/shell/activitymanager/activityicon.cpp [00:47] Envoi workspace/plasma/generic/applets/quicklaunch/icongridlayout.cpp [00:47] Transmission des donnÃ©es .. [00:47] RÃ©vision 1140997 propagÃ©e. [00:47] :-) [00:48] NCommander: How goes bindings and edu? [00:49] That's great news, btw. [00:49] ScottK: kdeedu should be trivial to fix. [00:49] ScottK: kdebindings is broken because python-qt4 is broken [00:49] NCommander: Yes. For you.... [00:49] I think I need to trout some people at Akademy [00:49] NCommander: If only you knew someone who helped maintain it in Debian. [00:50] ScottK: you should be able to fix it. Find the qMax/qMin/etc call and add a cast [00:50] ScottK: er, I do maintain it in Debian :-P [00:50] NCommander: Oh. Handy isn't it. [00:50] * NCommander feels like he just became victim of his own success (or failure) [00:50] NCommander: I program Python. I have no idea what you're talking about other than it sounds a lot like the other stuff you've fixed. [00:51] ScottK: it is. The correct people will be trouted at Akademy. [00:51] Surely you're old enough to know that the reward for good work is more work. [00:51] ScottK: I hereby deligate you resonsible for python-qt4 in Debian. I'll add you to uploaders next time I touch it [00:52] NCommander: I'm not qualified for that one. Most of the trouble with it isn't in the Python. [00:57] Oh wow... just found a MAJOR flaw in Rekonq. restricts the address bar to 61 chars [00:59] Nix that... its working now.. it's my system [01:21] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141001 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Emit packageChanged() when marking the cache for (dist)upgrade [01:34] Nightrose: I even got the right posts going to two different planets. Thanks again for the suggestion. === AndIrc is now known as Guest87538 === Guest87538 is now known as Valdiyen [02:08] NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50710920/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1137272-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz too. [02:44] NCommander: There's several more in Universe. Maybe we could find you someone to train for those.... === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:30] ScottK: indeed, but lack of hardware hurts. [03:46] Hrm, should the Canonical-support-message bit go in with the description, or should it go here? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopsm1416-jpg.jpg [03:50] in synaptic it's in description, but seems better in your position [03:50] opensuse will come out with oxygen-molecule by default o.O [03:51] opensuse will ship a gtk theme that doesn't support color schemes by default :P [03:51] right I know [03:51] :) [03:52] ScottK: libvpx is in Universe, ffmpeg needs it to build [04:03] lex79: Ask siretart if it should be promoted or dropped. [04:06] ok [04:07] Only 7 new FTBFS on armel tonight. [04:35] New thought: hide the details tabbar until you've clicked a package: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopv16382-jpg.jpg [04:57] JontheEchidna: We've got quite a few Universe armel FTBFS in KDE packages. NCommander says they are mostly trivial to fix is someone knows any C++. Would you have a suggestion for someone (not you) he could teach how to fix these? [08:04] ScottK: hehe you're welcome [08:40] ohhh [08:40] anyone on maverick around? [08:40] or lucid, just not with PPA packages? [08:40] actually, anything KDE 4 without PPA packages is sufficient ^^ [08:43] not I said the hedgehog [08:47] ^^ [08:47] brrr [08:48] if KConfig's code style would be any more different across files one would not know they belong to each other [08:49] Oo [08:49] * apachelogger feels dizzy all of a sudden [08:58] Riddell: once I have done this general desktop-file-translation-lookup-stuff we might consider trying to make PPA builds not attach a translation domain to the desktop file [08:58] that saves us from adding the appropriate catalog each time an affected desktop file gets loaded, even if it was not eaten by the binarymangler [08:59] same goes for packages outside the kubuntu package set I suppose [09:09] Riddell: could you push the i'm going to akademy image to the kubuntu server? [09:09] everyone is hotlinking my image and i'm not sure how much my server likes that [09:09] i might need to take it down [09:59] Nightrose: why not put it on kollide? [10:00] apachelogger: because i'd like my stuff on my server ;-) [10:00] just not exactly hot on everyone hotlinking the image from there [10:00] Nightrose: I mean the image on kollide :P [10:00] i know [10:00] wouldnt be any different from having it on kubuntu servers? [10:01] nooooo [10:01] my image is hotlinked on kubuntu.org [10:01] latest news [10:01] ah [10:01] AH ^^ [10:01] right [10:01] ;-) [10:03] hm, right, there was something about the content boxes [10:07] this is quite the pain in the neck [10:09] ahhh [10:09] getting there [10:09] \o/ [10:10] * Nightrose vanishes for a while [10:10] :* [10:11] Nightrose: fix0red [10:11] ryanakca: can we please do something about the usability of that butterfly... >5 minutes to just get an image uploaded is a bit of too long [10:12] * apachelogger closes the 3 additional browsers he opened [10:19] apachelogger: :* === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:21] jussi: \o [10:21] hiya Quintasan [10:22] thanks apachelogger [10:23] Riddell: hello [10:24] morning Quintasan [10:24] * apachelogger just noticed that he should probably be doing other things than fixing our desktop translations so that he shall get a B in his discrete maths course :P [10:30] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1888334 [10:30] any thoughts on line 29? [10:31] copying the global klocale seems like the saver choice OTOH it also includes loads of stuff we do not need for desktop files (e.g. syscatalogs) [10:37] apachelogger: saver compared to what? [10:37] Riddell: KLocale(nameOfDesktopCatalog); [10:38] * apachelogger somehow has the impression that new klocale instances get somehow based on the global one anyway though [10:38] does your valgrind stuff have an opinion? [10:40] not really, difference would be marginal eitherway [10:40] hm [10:42] brrr [10:42] implicit cctor ^^ [10:44] Riddell: from a low level POV the cctor ought to be considerable more expensive, also ctor with just a catalog name seems to be doing more closely what is required for the desktopfile usecase [10:44] well then [10:45] Riddell: supposedly the new desktop file patch is done, and does not cause much of a noticable overhead compared to unpatched KDE [10:45] \o/ [10:46] apachelogger: how does it compare to the old patch? [10:46] and actually how does it compare to the suse patch if you looked at that (code wise)? [10:49] code wise compared to the old patch it does hook in at a higher level (old was in kconfig, which would then trigger at least a load of unrelated if conditions), on the performance side context menus in dolphin now open almost instantly, whereas old patch caused a delay of roughly 3 to 4 seconds on my machine [10:49] sounds like another apachelogger victory! [10:49] the new patch is based on the suse patch, however more efficient because suse uses it as fallback, whereas we use it as override, hence we can do a simple if locale == 0, suse needs to check if the key is translatable via the desktop file [10:50] * apachelogger needs to talk to suse about their patch, because actually it can be improved using qstringbuilder ^^ [10:52] I briefly tried engaging lubos about it but he went a bit vauge [10:53] well, it is pretty straight forward, they just introduce a new function that is used when reading the name, comment or genericname of a desktop file, this function will then try to translate the key using the data available in the desktop file itself, if that fails they translateRaw via KLocale [10:54] oh that said, their approach also differs from ours in that we do have multiple gettext domains which requires our ctor to introduce a private locale member, suse only got one and adds it at global scope as system catalog in klocale.cpp [10:54] that is https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=add-suse-translations.diff&package=kdelibs4&project=openSUSE:11.2 [10:55] NCommander, agateau: if you guys want bof sessions at akademy they need to be added to the wiki now [10:55] Nightrose: these wiki pages are problematic, there's no end time for the sessions http://community.kde.org/Events/Akademy/2010/Wednesday [10:56] or maybe they really are three hour sessions in the morning [10:56] Riddell: hmmmm i don't have time atm to fix any of it sorry :/ [10:58] * apachelogger browses through kickoff looking for regressions [11:17] help [11:17] http://gracca.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/screenshot-daisy.jpg [11:17] ? [11:18] no fedora please [11:24] apachelogger: butterffly? [11:24] hm, actually butterbunny [11:27] inUtileBar install but it will nowhere be obtained so why please help [11:27] ? [11:27] nebula: try #ubuntu-bg [11:28] butterbunny? [11:29] * ryanakca figures apachelogger is way past the balmer peak and decides to go get ready for his last high school exam [11:30] ryanakca: good luck [11:30] ryanakca: that is coming from fregl, not me :P [11:30] ryanakca: good luck with the exam :) [11:31] Thanks :) [11:32] brrrrr [11:32] hooray for intltool create po files [11:33] Riddell: I finally found out why hardware drivers was not translated all those years ^^ [11:33] and it is not our fault [11:33] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/jockey/+pots/jockey/de/20/+translate [11:34] is supposed to be the name used in the desktopfile [11:34] it however lacks context [11:34] we however try to translate by precise context [11:34] i.e. context: Name, value: Hardware Drivers [11:34] which returns Hardware Drivers because there is no context [11:35] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+pots/desktop-kdeplasma-addons/de/32/+translate [11:35] OTOH provides a context and therefore gets translated properly [11:37] apachelogger: what is coming from me? [11:38] fregl: butterbunny [11:38] ah, that's when you can draw neither... butterfly nor bunny :D [11:38] apachelogger: intltool fail? [11:38] most likely, maybe it is intentional *shrug* [11:38] I poked pitti about it [11:40] If it is intentional then it is a major PITA since we only can solve this by not looking up with context on general purpose, which seems wrong, or we try a second lookup without context if one with context did return untranslated [11:40] which is a waste of cpu cycles of course [12:32] Riddell: also see bug 597216 [12:32] Launchpad bug 597216 in python-distutils-extra (Ubuntu) "add a context to the strings extracted from .desktop.in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597216 [12:34] http://imagebin.ca/view/j0OPqZF.html \o/ [12:36] yay [12:47] hm, there might be an unaddressed case in the current desktopfile magic [12:50] Riddell: what BoF sessions have you scheluded [12:50] NCommander: none but you should schedule your one for arm [12:51] Riddell: indeed [13:05] kde rev 976980 [13:05] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=976980&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 976980 | const'ify [13:22] * apachelogger blinks because of the code of that applet [13:25] * apachelogger abandons hope to make the pastebin applet support pasteubuntucom [13:48] shadeslayer_: ping ^^ [13:59] well... [14:00] Riddell: there is one thing that troubles me with the current desktopfile implementation ... as it stands it will prefer mo translations over desktop file whenever the gettext domain is defined [14:00] that however is an inherit problem caused by pkg-kde-tools adding the gettext domain entry even if not used (i.e. in non-archive builds) [14:01] so either we fix pkg-kde-tools or we introduce at least 2 additional methods that help detect if the desktop file contains translations itself and use that instead of looking them up via klocale [14:02] I find former the better choice :) [14:02] how would you change that in pkg-kde-tools? [14:04] not sure yet, but IIRC pkgbinarymangler also has some magic embedded to check whether it is building on a PPA [14:04] I think it's just not enabled on the PPAs [14:05] it's an option in dpkg-something [14:07] hola! [14:07] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1888439 [14:07] dpkg-deb as seen in pkgbinarymangler [14:07] yo nixternal [14:08] I am wondering where /CurrentlyBuilding is coming from. [14:09] Riddell: I suppose since there is purpose: ppa there is also a purpose for archive builds [14:09] I was hoping my new computer would arrive today, but it will at least be here by tomorrow.. \o/ woohoo [14:10] * apachelogger wishes he would get a new computer with ssd ^^ [14:12] what could switch off the screen every 15 secs in plasma-netbook? [14:12] actually less than 15 secs [14:12] apachelogger: yeah, no SSD in this machine...just a simple dual core processor with 4gb of ram and a NVIDIA card :/ [14:13] not gonna complain since it is a freeby [14:16] oh, sweet :) [14:18] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141309 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.h Make the set* functions public Q_SLOTS so that things can connect to them as slots. (E.g. buttons) [14:25] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1141312 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h package.cpp package.h) API change: Less mysterious bool variables as function arguments; split out purging into its own function [14:27] shadeslayer_: ping, where are you changes to kdenetwork for google talk/chat? [14:30] I tested the installer with nomodset on that vaio vpc cw13 and it shows up the installer now, I haven't installed though but i guess the only problem i might have is not having nomodset on the grub menu... will I have it? [14:31] btw is anything you need to know to "fix" for next cd? [14:33] !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer [14:33] File /usr/bin/qdbusviewer found in libqt4-dbg, qt4-dev-tools [14:33] dantti: you can do the install and chroot in and edit the grub config if you want to be sure [14:33] !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer lucid === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [14:34] dantti: I think you'd need to test a maverick CD to know if it needs reported for maverick [14:34] yay [14:34] http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=de#--GuQp5Xmnw/trunk/lib/lp/soyuz/doc/buildd-slavescanner.txt&q=purpose%20ppa%20buildd&exact_package=http://launchpad-code-search.googlecode.com/svn&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc [14:34] !find /usr/bin/qdbusviewer lucid [14:34] We also pass arguments called 'suite' which is the current distroseries and [14:34] pocket, (e.g. edgy-updates) and 'archive_purpose' which contains the build's [14:34] archive.purpose (e.g. PRIMARY or PPA). These latter two arguments are [14:34] used in the chroot to determine whether it needs to turn on some features [14:34] File /usr/bin/qdbusviewer found in libqt4-dbg, qt4-dev-tools [14:34] or not (like pkgstriptranslations and pkgmaintainermangler). [14:34] Riddell: right, after I install that I'll test maverik then [14:35] Riddell: check if /CurrentlyBuilding is present, if it is and contains purpose: PRIMARY -> add ubuntu gettext domain [14:35] else do nothing [14:36] Riddell: btw there is a change that I find time to add screenshot support to kpk, as you had packaged PackageKit last time do you think going to 0.6 will be a problem? ( I think the next fedora will have 0.6 by default) [14:36] apachelogger: suspiciously easy [14:37] dantti: we already have kpackagekit 0.6 [14:37] I uploaded that last week [14:37] Riddell: you only think that it is easy because you did not have to search for that documentation ;) [14:37] dantti: also search is broken in packagekit-backend-apt so there's a good case to switch to aptcc [14:38] Riddell: hmm nice :D there are more things broken in backend-apt, I couldn't refresh my cache when I was behind a proxy [14:38] apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopg16382-jpg.jpg [14:38] I took some of your suggestions ;) [14:39] dantti: how would screenshot support work? where would it get the screenshots from? [14:39] Riddell: and also I asked you about using the session interface of packagekit to install the codecs and such so we don't have the proxy problem there too [14:39] Riddell: debian has a screenshot website that all the package managers use [14:39] it does? [14:39] yup yup [14:39] Riddell: well Synaptics has screenshot support right? I just need to change PackageKit to give me that info [14:40] http://screenshots.debian.net/ [14:40] I don't think Synaptics does [14:40] synaptic does [14:40] here it does :P [14:40] JontheEchidna: you ought to took all ... I am now specialist in human-computer interaction :P [14:40] apachelogger: :P [14:41] dantti: Just grab http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/pkgname or http://screenshots.debian.net/thumbnail/pkgname for thumbnails [14:41] the website does "no image available" handling [14:41] It's all quite sweet ^.^ [14:43] JontheEchidna: nice :D [14:45] I'm going to change packagekit to emit packageData() which can give me any info that is predifined on an enum this way backends that don't support screen shots simply don't send the screen shot data .. [14:46] the only problem is that with the current package view it's not so cool to see even a thumbnail [14:47] and all without Qt D: [14:49] suggestions on making parts of a make target conditional without linebreak excaping a billion lines? [15:16] Riddell: did you get u1-kde to work btw? [15:17] apachelogger: I got files to sync, I don't think i got any dolphin integration to work [15:17] hm [15:18] Riddell: if you are on kde 4.5 pre-release you need to activate it in the settings? [15:18] and add a .ubuntuone file in the directory [15:19] yes did that [15:19] what should I be able to do having done that? [15:19] nothing, it should just display graphic emblems representing the status of the items [15:20] I seem to have a square emblem [15:20] what does that mean? [15:20] that is when it is up-to-date [15:21] if you add a new file it should have a green arrow [15:21] if you hit f5 after a bit it should be a square too [15:22] it's always a square [15:22] even if I copy in a large .iso file [15:22] hm [15:22] and it doesn't appear in my files on the website [15:22] this is just a random directory [15:22] not good [15:22] oh [15:22] ~/Ubuntu One/ [15:23] also subdirs are not supported [15:23] (all limitations of the current dolphin plugin interface unfortunately) [15:24] putting .ubuntuone in ~/Ubuntu One/ adds square emblems to files but new .iso file is a square too [15:24] ooh it's an arrow now [15:24] looks like a link [15:25] http://imagebin.ca/view/PqXln7.html [15:25] yes like that [15:25] well, it is all a bit limited, I hope to get a proper plugin interface for 4.6 [15:26] becuase unfortuantely you cannot do this stuff via slaves [15:30] Riddell: pkg-kde-tools is changed to only do l10n stuff on Purpose: PRIMARY .... but only for the .sh scripts [15:31] doing that in makefile syntax is a bit of a PITA TBH [15:32] alas makefile is what most of the KDE SC packages still use [15:34] which one? [15:34] * apachelogger thinks we are supporting too many build stuff at once -.- [15:34] ah [15:34] /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk [15:34] cdbs [15:35] at least for kdelibs [15:35] well then [15:35] * apachelogger does ugly things [15:38] shadeslayer_: kdenetwork uploaded with google talk support! [15:43] Riddell: awesome awesome :D [15:43] Riddell: did you close that bug with the upload or will i have to close manually ? [15:43] * shadeslayer_ thinks one library was left for inclusion in main... [15:44] * apachelogger is all sorts of scared [15:44] shadeslayer_: asac said I could just promote them and someone will worry about the MIRs later so we may will have issues there when anyone looks at them [15:44] shadeslayer_: I filed a MIR for srtp [15:45] * shadeslayer_ dances with joy [15:45] apachelogger: pong [15:45] shadeslayer_: oh did you do the doodle thing? [15:45] Riddell: yes [15:45] * shadeslayer_ gets the link [15:46] Riddell: http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5 [15:46] Link should go in /topic [15:47] sure thing === shadeslayer_ changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are amazing <3 | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Wed 7th July 18:00UTC | Timings for next meeting : http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5 [15:51] Riddell: any progress on the rekonq mir? [15:52] yay: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/06/22/qt-assistant-compat-version-available-as-extra-source-package/ [15:54] JontheEchidna: likewise I moved it to main [15:54] JontheEchidna: however rekonq is crashy as anything currently :( [15:54] :( [15:54] flash seems to kill it although even without it crashes [15:55] maybe we need a newer qtwebkit snapshot [15:55] I think upstream are aware and it's due to a new flash version [15:55] * shadeslayer_ thinks next monday works out best as meeting day :) [15:55] oh [15:55] shadeslayer_: it does seem to yes [15:56] agateau: did you get the doodle link? [15:56] agateau: http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5 << In case you didnt get it ;) [15:56] shadeslayer_: /me checks mail [15:57] i dont think i mailed it seprately.... sent out the link via IRC only [15:59] shadeslayer_: that would be the reason then, [16:00] shadeslayer_: did my checkbox duty :) [16:00] hehe :D [16:02] hmm [16:02] Riddell: make doesnt like me today :( [16:02] oh whee : http://twitter.com/ubuntustatus/status/16332999727 [16:02] well latest updates say everything is fine tho :P [16:03] apachelogger: apply for : http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UTA/ : :P [16:05] * shadeslayer_ goes and works on qipmsg [16:06] kubotu: order pringles for everyone [16:06] * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get pringles for everyone - might take some time. [16:06] * kubotu is back and slides pringles down the bar to everyone [16:06] Extraordinary organizational and leadership skill, with a passion for attention to detail. [16:06] shadeslayer_: cant [16:06] detail-- [16:06] :P [16:07] hehe :) [16:07] oh oh [16:07] * apachelogger should go showery [16:09] stupid new kernel... keeps toggling bluetooth radio.. mouse freezes... grumble grumble.... [16:09] brb... [16:11] * JontheEchidna thinks that HCI is all details :P [16:12] HCI++ [16:12] * apachelogger is a bit unhappy about the amount of debug from make [16:12] anyhow [16:13] apachelogger->shower(); [16:22] * shadeslayer_ didnt know apachelogger was a pointer.... [16:23] i thought you was a object :P [16:24] **apachelogger [16:24] he is a pointer to a pointer [16:30] hehe ... [16:31] well technically speaking, apachelogger is a Nick which is a pointer to Harald Sitter which is again a pointer to the actual person :P [16:31] so Quintasan++ :P [16:33] well [16:33] first of all [16:33] ++Quintasan :P [16:33] second [16:33] why would the nick point to my real name? [16:33] * shadeslayer_ has no idea which year he should specify in copyright :) [16:33] apachelogger: [16:33] [17:33] [Whois] apachelogger jest ~harald@kde/developer/sitter (Harald Sitter) [16:33] :D [16:33] shadeslayer_: copyright for what? [16:33] well [16:33] hahaha :D [16:33] if I change my irc name? [16:33] Riddell: the debian/copyright file [16:34] Riddell, JontheEchidna, apachelogger, Tonio_, anyone else messing with kubuntu-meta: The current process I came up with to build kubuntu-mobile from Universe is quite fugly, but documented, so please notice the new README and ping me for questions. I do hope to improve this. [16:34] apachelogger: then you lose ur developer rights [16:34] :P [16:34] Tonio_: Hello. Didn't see you for a while. [16:34] if anything then apachelogger is a pointer to a struct that represents my IRC identity which then holds a pointer or instance of me [16:34] Riddell: im packaging some new packages ( qipmsg in this case ) [16:35] ScottK: roger [16:35] s/packages/tarballs [16:36] Tonio_: kdesudo is FTBFS due to a new docbook dtd in KDE. Could you have a look at that (see the armel FTBFS in maverick for details)? [16:38] Sput: around? [16:38] ScottK, yup I'll have a look toonight probably [16:38] Tonio_: Thanks. [16:42] aahh [16:42] omg [16:42] * apachelogger cant write no makefiles no more [16:42] * apachelogger shall write proper debian/rules again [16:42] this dh7 stuff is making one forget all the important things [16:52] hey, how is KDE with NVIDIA? my new lappy has an nvidia card and I am way to use to Intel [16:54] nvidia is best performance [16:54] can't say I've had the privilage to try [16:56] nixternal you have a new lappy? [16:56] getting it tomorrow from zareason [16:56] nice [16:56] was hoping they would deliver it today, but it looks via tracking tomorrow [16:56] i can get back into the swing of things and get back to contributing again :) [16:57] * shadeslayer_ has nvidia [16:57] Timo_: is that using proprietary driver or the free version? [16:57] nixternal: its blazing fast with nvidia drivers [16:57] yes [16:57] 195.36 [16:57] did you whore yourself out to get it :) [16:57] yeah [16:57] haha [16:57] nice [16:57] where you cheap? [16:57] nixternal: the nouveau ones are sluggish :) [16:57] always cheap [16:58] it is just a simple dual core, 4gb of ram, and a 160gb drive...nothing fancy but perfect for what i need [16:58] should be faster than my previous laptop that died [16:58] kde 4.3.5 working perfectly my nvidia geforce 9300 [16:59] one thing i have learned about netbooks though in the past couple of weeks...oh boy they suck for anything other than browsing the web or playing a game, and they almost suck at that too [16:59] this has an nvidia 8200 gpu...sounds old when compared to a 9300 [17:00] should be powerful enough to run vista right? :p [17:00] hahah [17:00] totally [17:01] vista -> cheeze? [17:02] well I want to be cool like jjesse. he writes documentation for kubuntu and kde with vista...that's hardcore! [17:02] nixternal actually w/ windows 7 now :) [17:02] bzr + ssh on windows 7 to commit for the win :) [17:03] bzr for windows? *cringe* [17:03] well running bzr on my windows 7 box [17:03] wyf? [17:03] and then use pagent for ssh key management [17:03] wtf? [17:04] or ssh to ubuntu netbook to write the docs in nano :) [17:04] nano? oh wow, your geek cred is dropping tremendously [17:05] nano in windows? [17:05] nano anywhere, though I am using vim now, so i feel my geek cred has dropped as well :p [17:05] * nixternal strives to switch back to emacs again one of these days [17:06] i'm using kate, is the best for programming [17:06] and mc for ssh [17:07] i have no geek cred :) [17:16] i used to love kate in the 3.x days. haven't really used it much since then...for some odd reason, i do more work in a terminal than anywhere else [17:17] kate is the best and faster [17:17] than cmd programs [17:18] hell no [17:18] ++vim [17:20] yeah, i am using vim now. so many lovely plugins, but I still miss emacs, even though I have totally forgotten how to use it like I once did [17:35] why would kded4 have almost 10000 defunct child processes? [17:41] I'm trying to think of a better name for fetchChangelogOrScreenshot(const QUrl &url); [17:41] any thoughts? [17:43]