[00:58] <Afon_> hello
[00:59] <Afon_> Hi I am trying to register the key of launchpad. there is a step to send the pub ID to keyserver.ubuntu.com.
[00:59] <Afon_> I have tried a few times. it shows: gpg: keyserver timed out
[00:59] <Afon_> gpg: keyserver send failed: keyserver error
[00:59] <Afon_> Could anyone suggest what to do? thank you.
[06:41] <Ddorda> hey, i tried to register a lp-l10n team few weeks ago and still no answer, can someone check this?
[06:42] <jtv> Ddorda: team creation should be instantaneous.
[06:42] <jtv> Or are you talking about adding a translation team to the Launchpad translation group?
[06:43] <Ddorda> for now LP and some lp-l10n dependent projects are translated with google translate and this is BAD, i really want to fix this out, but can't.
[06:43] <Ddorda> jtv: indeed
[06:43] <jtv> Ddorda: LP is not translated at all.
[06:43] <jtv> Are you talking about people using Google to get translated versions of the UI?  That's scary.
[06:44] <Ddorda> jtv: yes, and they use lp-l10n dependent, so i can't fix it until the team will be approved
[06:45] <jtv> Ddorda: I'm having trouble understanding this part: "they use lp-l10n dependent"
[06:45] <jtv> Also, what team exactly are we talking about & where did you propose it?
[06:45] <Ddorda> jtv: sec i'll link you
[06:45] <jtv> thanks
[06:52] <Ddorda> found it! minute :)
[06:52] <Ddorda> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+groups/launchpad-translators
[06:52] <Ddorda> check the end of the page
[06:55] <Ddorda> jtv: so to register the team i need to send a mail to the Launchpad Translators Coordinators, which i did
[06:55] <Ddorda> and got no answer for a long while now...
[07:07] <jtv> Ddorda: and what was the team?
[07:07] <Ddorda> lp-l10n-he
[07:27] <jtv> Ddorda: I don't think I've seen your message anywhere.  More Europeans are coming online around now.  I'll have a look around to see if anyone knows more.
[07:27] <Ddorda> jtv: odd, i'm 100% sure i've sent one =\
[07:28] <jtv> Ddorda: but it's not a 100% reliable medium.  I'm sometimes tempted to discard all my email and claim a 100% spam recognition rate with only 1% or so false positives.
[07:28] <Ddorda> jtv: well i don't blame anyone :)
[07:29]  * jtv breathes sigh of relief  :)
[07:29] <Ddorda> i just want us to be approved to fix all the mess :D
[07:29] <jtv> Yes, that sounds like a worthy goal.  :)  The people I'm hoping to ask aren't online yet, but should be soon.
[07:36] <jtv> hi dpm!
[07:36] <dpm> hey jtv!
[07:37] <jtv> dpm: I'm just talking to Ddorda here.  Did you see the emailed proposal to include lp-l10n-he in the LP translation group?
[07:38] <dpm> dpm, ah, yeah, that was a few days ago. Ddorda, sorry I haven't replied. Let me look at it now...
[07:38] <Ddorda> few days ago?
[07:39] <Ddorda> okay, okay, i won't even start :P
[07:39] <jtv> Ddorda: remember what I said about email?  dpm probably gets a lot more.  :)
[07:41] <Ddorda> jtv: i guess so :D
[07:44] <dpm> Ddorda, are these your translation guidelines? -> http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/gezer/?q=rules
[07:44] <Ddorda> dpm: indeed
[07:47] <dpm> Ddorda, ok, added them as the guidelines and added the Hebrew team to the Launchpad Translators group. I see there is only one member, so you might want to contact other translators to join. It might be interesting to contact the Hebrew Ubuntu translators as a group of people already experienced in translations. In any case, welcome to the LP translators group and happy translating! :)
[07:47] <Ddorda> dpm: i'm one of the organizers of Ubuntu-l10n-he
[07:48] <Ddorda> dpm: and there's only me in the team as i didn't want people to join and wait
[07:48] <Ddorda> i'll make sure people join right away!
[07:48] <dpm> Ddorda, sounds good, then :)
[07:50] <Ddorda> dpm: thanks a lot :)
[07:51] <dpm> Ddorda, no worries, and sorry for the delay.
[07:51] <Ddorda> dpm: it's okay, i just thought it didn't get to you
[07:54] <dpm> Ddorda, it did indeed, the e-mail got to all LP translations coordinators, it's only that no one had had time to look into it yet. If there is any further issues requiring our attention and you find there is no response, please feel free to ping me directly. I'm usually here, in #ubuntu-translators and #ubuntu-community-team
[07:57] <Ddorda> dpm: okay :)
[07:57] <Ddorda> thanks
[08:29]  * Theuni1 waves
[08:33] <jtv> Theuni1: are you waving because you need help?  Or just waving in general?  :)
[08:35] <Theuni1> Just in general. I'm reading up on managing meetings with Launchpad. In the Zope community we started doing weekly meetings on IRC and we've been dealing with text files for managing the minutes and the agenda for quite a while but I find it to become unwieldy. I'm pondering using blueprints with sprints for that, but I need to figure out which project/project group to assign them to.
[08:35] <jtv> Depends on which project they're for, I guess.  :)
[08:36] <Theuni1> it's pretty independent :)
[08:36] <Theuni1> I kinda wish for a hierarchical project group structure, but then again the UI is complex already ;)
[08:36] <Theuni1> and a hierarchy wouldn't fit all of our cases anyway
[08:38] <Theuni1> we already have a "meta" project "zopetoolkit-project" in addition to the project group "zopetoolkit" itself, but that holds all the release engineering and over-arching technical issues
[08:38] <Theuni1> i'm pondering to create another meta project "zope-orga" which could hold organisational issues
[08:39] <jtv> Theuni1: if you try to break things down too much, you may end up making things harder than needed.  Consider naming or tagging conventions as a way to maintain order.
[08:39] <Theuni1> hmm
[08:39] <Theuni1> right.
[08:39]  * Theuni1 thinks
[08:40] <Theuni1> then again blueprints don't have tags
[08:40] <Theuni1> can i assign bugs to sprints?
[08:41] <Theuni1> doesn't look like it
[08:47] <jtv> Theuni1: I'm not sure but I think the Ubuntu folks use milestones for those.
[08:47] <Theuni1> hmmm
[09:09] <Theuni1> hmm
[09:09] <Theuni1> jtv: it looks like the basic sprint data can't be edited after creation?
[09:12] <jtv> Theuni1: I've never done that tbh... the Launchpad people who would be best able to help with this are all in the US, so this may be something to ask again later in the day (or much earlier, depending).  But dpm or other ubuntu folks would know a thing or two.
[09:12] <Theuni1> sure
[09:12] <Theuni1> I'll stick around. :)
[10:03] <Mez> where would I find instructions on setting up a local copy of LP?
[10:04] <Mez> https://dev.launchpad.net/Running <--
[10:04] <Mez> *sigh*
[10:12] <maxb> sigh?
[10:13] <Mez> yeah, cause I search and search, then, as soon as I ask, I find it myself
[10:13] <nigelb> maxb: I guess (s)he realized that "search and you shall find" :D
[10:13] <maxb> :)
[10:13] <Mez> though to be honest, not too sure if that's what I want :D
[10:13] <Mez> I remember a script that did the full install for you, etc etc
[10:13] <jtv> Mez: that's on the Getting page IIRC
[10:14] <maxb> rocketfuel-setup?
[10:14] <Mez> hmmles ....
[10:14] <jtv> See the "Get the source code" link on the front page.
[10:15] <Mez> maybe it's just the way LP works - but there's a lot of "make" commands to be run
[10:15] <Mez> for general usage
[10:15] <jtv> make ; make run
[10:15] <jtv> or if you want to enable a bunch of extra services, "make ; make run_all"
[10:16] <Mez> make sync_branches
[10:16] <jtv> That's pretty specialized, I think.  You don't need it just to get an LP running.
[10:16] <Mez> I actually just want the codehosting bit to be honest ;)
[10:17] <wgrant> Most of the Makefile targets are just shortcuts that start up a few LP bits and pieces, run a cronscript here and there...
[10:17] <jtv> Ah!
[10:17] <Mez> though, I doubt it'll fix the retardedness of some of the people here....
[10:17] <Mez> they'll still try and check in from the same user account
[10:18] <Mez> "lets all log into the box and develop using the same username"
[10:27] <spiv> Deploying Launchpad's codehosting would be overkill for most places, I'd think.
[10:28] <spiv> Compared to e.g. SSH keys restricted to running bzr on a subdirectory via the bzr_access script in contrib/.
[10:29] <spiv> There is a bit of middle-ground between those two that isn't hugely well catered for, though.
[10:29] <wgrant> I've occasionally been tempted to rip Codehosting out and stick it in front of a simpler DB.
[10:30] <wgrant> It'd be very handy.
[10:46] <Mez> wgrant: do it :D
[10:46] <Mez> spiv: possibly overkill, but it'd work nicely...
[10:47] <Mez> The main issue we have at the moment is that 1) people are all using the same login (so all the permissions are screwed) and 2) the permissions are screwed, even with sticky bit and chmod g+rw on a cron
[12:28] <piju> hello
[12:29] <piju> i have already deleted all of my PPA
[12:29] <piju> why i still cant change my user name for lauchpad ?
[12:32] <maxb> PPA 'deletion' doesn't really delete them, just hides them quite well
[12:33] <bigjools> piju: you need to wait 10 minutes
[12:33] <bigjools> then you will be able to rename
[12:33] <piju> bigjools, you again ? thanks buddy
[12:33] <maxb> oh, that got fixed :-)
[12:33]  * bigjools is here to serve
[12:33] <piju> you are like robot. never sleep
[12:34] <bigjools> my wife says the same thing
[12:34] <piju> bigjools, all PPAs are turning to grey
[12:34] <piju> need to wait for 10minutes ?
[12:36] <piju> This user has an active PPA with packages published and may not be renamed.
[12:36] <bigjools> piju: keep trying, it'll work soon
[12:36] <bigjools> which PPA?
[12:36] <piju> bigjools, all
[12:36] <piju> https://launchpad.net/~mypiju/
[12:36] <piju> i want to change from mypiju to piju
[12:37] <bigjools> piju: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mypiju/+archive/psk31lx-9w2pju is disabled, not deleted
[12:38] <piju> wait
[12:38] <bigjools> the other PPAs have gone
[12:39] <piju> bigjools, ok done
[12:39] <piju> all PPA are deleted!
[12:39] <bigjools> piju: ok wait a minute or two
[12:39] <bigjools> piju: when http://ppa.launchpad.net/mypiju/ is empty, you can rename
[12:43] <piju> thanks bigjools
[13:04] <mtaylor> soren: hey- I have to be on a plane during the DMB meeting today
[13:04] <soren> mtaylor: :(
[13:05] <mtaylor> soren: yeah. not happy about that :(
[13:11] <mtaylor> soren: ooh! nevermind...
[13:13] <soren> mtaylor: Heh :)
[14:33] <cakofony> Is there any way to get the "uses launchpad for" information out of the api (launchpadlib)?
[14:51] <nigelb> cakofony: can you explain further?
[14:53] <cakofony> On project pages, it says "uses launchpad for:" and then lists things such as answers, bugs, development etc
[14:53] <cakofony> I was wondering if I could get that information from the api
[14:55] <nigelb> cakofony: hm, I think not, but you can always ask in #launchpad-dev to confirm
[14:55] <cakofony> nigelb: Alright, thanks!
[15:07] <DeeJay1> hi, I think I have borked samarium, one thing is still building (for 3 hours now) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deejay1/+recipe/daily/+build/60
[15:10] <purvesh> can some one help me to register on wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:10] <nigelb> purvesh: register on LP and then try to login to wiki using your open ID
[15:12] <purvesh> nigelb, ya i had tried but m getting one error so that i cant register on wiki...
[15:12] <purvesh> nigelb, can i show u error if u dont mind
[15:13] <nigelb> sure
[15:13] <nigelb> purvesh: wait
[15:13] <nigelb> your LP time zone is set to Asia/Kolkata?
[15:13] <nigelb> if so, change to some other zone and try again
[15:13] <purvesh> nigelb, ya
[15:13] <purvesh> nigelb, ok .... i ll try wt a sec
[15:14] <nigelb> its a known bug, change your TZ to some other TZ, something like UTC
[15:14] <jaalto> Is it possible to subscribe to announcements of some "product"; similar to freshement.net ?
[15:16] <nigelb> jaalto: if you're looking for one particular project, you can subscribe to 'Announcements' section via RSS
[15:17] <jaalto> nigelb: I'm more looking for email messages, like freshmenta.net sends. Is this available?
[15:17] <nigelb> jaalto: not that I know of, but I may be wrong too :)
[15:18] <nigelb> jaalto: to give you an example, you can see the ubuntu rss feeds http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/announcements.atom
[15:19] <jaalto> nigelb: Yup, but that requires browser. I'm packaging software and I'd like to get announcements via email when new "announcement" is put in launchpad. Too bad if this feature is not available
[15:20]  * nigelb isn't sure if that feature is available
[15:21] <jcastro> deryck: ping a ling sir
[15:22] <nigelb> morning jcastro :)
[15:22] <nigelb> did you see that debian derivates front desk is now open? :)
[15:25] <jcastro> I saw!
[15:26] <deryck> jcastro, hi.  on call.  available shortly.
[15:26] <jcastro> no worries, just ping me whenevs
[15:26] <nigelb> jcastro: I'm hugely grateful for zack, he's very friendly :)
[15:59] <exarkun> I just created a new milestone, and the result seems to be that https://launchpad.net/pyopenssl/main now has two "pyOpenSSL 0.9" versions listed.
[17:39] <JoshBrown> Can someone explain to me how branch merging works? I've been merging branches in a small project, but I'm not sure if I've been doing it the 'right' way.
[17:54] <abhi_nav> if some one submits a solution to a bug problem with new code then is it reliable?
[17:55] <abhi_nav> ??
[17:56] <abhi_nav> anyone here?
[17:57] <abhi_nav> :(
[19:08] <maxb> JoshBrown: Hi. If your question is purely Bazaar-related, you might find #bzr has more people that can help.
[19:08] <maxb> Otherwise, clarify what it is you want help with
[19:10] <JoshBrown> maxb: I want to know stuff like 'Do I copy the entire branch content, or just the file I'm going to modify?'
[19:11] <exarkun> JoshBrown: That's probably purely bzr related
[19:11] <exarkun> JoshBrown: in general you can only branch everything, though.  it's not like svn where all your branches live inside the same hierarchy.
[19:13] <maxb> JoshBrown: I'm pretty confused - I don't understand what you think you'd be copying
[19:16] <JoshBrown> Say I want to modify a file in a projects's bazaar branch - how do I do it?
[19:18] <maxb> You just modify it
[19:47] <JoshBrown> maxb: I can't, you have to make a new branch and then merge into it.
[19:48] <maxb> huh?
[19:48] <maxb> I'm sorry, you are going to have to describe what the problem you are having is in more detail.
[19:48] <maxb> And doing it on #bzr may get you more answers.
[19:49] <JoshBrown> maxb: Well I can't just push my changes directly to the main branch?
[19:49] <exarkun> Why not?
[19:49] <maxb> If you have access to do so, you can
[19:49] <maxb> And if you don't, I'm still not understanding where you feel stuck
[19:49] <JoshBrown> maxb: This isn't a bazaar issue, I know exactly how to use bazaar, I just don't know how Bazaar integrates with Launchpad.
[19:50] <maxb> Launchpad hosts Bazaar branches and provides nice web-based ways to browse and organize them. That's it.
[19:50] <JoshBrown> maxb: Well I could, but I'm supposed to submit a merge proposal so the project leader can decide if the changes are okay.
[19:50] <maxb> So, push your branch to Launchpad and create a merge proposal
[19:52] <JoshBrown> maxb: What command do I use to make my branch though? So far I've been using 'bzr new' - but I thought perhaps that isn't the 'right' way to do things..?
[19:52]  * maxb looks up what bzr new does
[19:52] <exarkun> 'bzr new'?
[19:53] <maxb> Apparently it's something funky from bzr-explorer
[19:54] <lifeless> JoshBrown: it doesn't matter how you make your branch - bzr new is fine
[19:54] <lifeless> JoshBrown: once you have it, you push it to launchpad
[19:54] <maxb> JoshBrown: See, now you're wandering back towards pure-bzr territory. I don't use 'bzr new' myself, but I don't see why it shouldn't be one of many valid ways to work
[19:55] <lifeless> JoshBrown: to lp:~$USER/$PROJECT/$BRANCHNAME
[19:55] <JoshBrown> maxb: What do you use?
[19:55] <maxb> Usually bzr init-repo and bzr branch
[19:55] <JoshBrown> lifeless: But do you copy the entire branch or just the files you're modifying?
[19:55] <lifeless> JoshBrown: I don't copy anything
[19:56] <lifeless> JoshBrown: I run 'bzr push lp:~my-username/my-projectname/mybranchname
[19:56] <lifeless> I'm sure bzr explorer has a push option in its GUI for you to use
[19:57] <JoshBrown> What I've been doing: Pull main branch, copy any files I plan on modifying to a new branch, modify the files, upload branch. I was just wondering if this is an efficient way to go about branching?
[19:58] <maxb> This "copy any files I plan on modifying to a new branch" sounds very wrong - why do you do that?
[19:59] <maxb> If you mean what I think you mean you are defeating pretty much the entire point of using bzr at all
[19:59] <JoshBrown> maxb: Exactly my point - it seems weird, but I don't know how else to go about it. Perhaps I should be using this 'bzr branch' command.
[20:00] <lifeless> JoshBrown: when you say copy any files
[20:00] <lifeless> JoshBrown: do you mean an operating system file copy, or some bzr command ?
[20:00] <JoshBrown> lifeless: Just a standard Unix cp
[20:01] <lifeless> ok
[20:01] <lifeless> you definitely want to use branch
[20:01] <lifeless> the init command, which I suspect 'new' is a wrapper for
[20:01] <lifeless> makes a brand new *project*
[20:01] <lifeless> you should only ever run it once per project.
[20:01] <lifeless> ever
[20:01] <lifeless> the 'branch' command makes new branches
[20:01] <lifeless> you should run it every time you want a new branch of an existing project.
[20:02] <JoshBrown> Ah.
[20:03] <JoshBrown> So I should be doing: Branch, modify, push, merge.
[20:03] <lifeless> yes
[20:03] <lifeless> with a commit between modify and push probably ;)
[20:05] <JoshBrown> lifeless: Yeh, that'd be a good idea =)
[21:46] <dtwood> I am trying to file a bug in krb5-auth-dialog, and I have filed the bug against '“krb5-auth-dialog” source package in Maverick', and another bug in GNOME bugzilla, but I do not have the option to link them, as there is no project for krb5-auth-dialog in launchpad. How can I link these?
[21:47] <dtwood> sorry if this is the wrong place to ask
[21:48] <JoshBrown> dtwood: Could you give us a link?
[21:49] <dtwood> JoshBrown: (should I always put the name of the person I'm talking to like this, I'm new to this?) yeah sure - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=krb5-auth-dialog
[21:52] <JoshBrown> In most IRC clients when you say someone's name (dtwood), it gives that user some kind of alert and highlights the message. So it's helpful to use names in most cases.
[21:54] <dtwood> JoshBrown: ah thanks, that makes sense
[21:57] <JoshBrown> dtwood: Looks like there is no upstream package, I think you should create one although I can't be 100% sure because I've never had this issue before.
[21:59] <JoshBrown> https://launchpad.net/projects/+new
[22:00] <dtwood> JoshBrown: I've created that at https://launchpad.net/krb5-auth-dialog, what should I do next?
[22:01] <JoshBrown> Wow, I just saw that pop up on Launchpad :P
[22:02] <dtwood> ok, where did you see that?
[22:02] <JoshBrown> dtwood: Click 'Also affects project', then enter the URL for your bugzilla bug.
[22:05] <dtwood> JoshBrown: ok, I presumed that it had to be linked to the GNOME bugzilla or similar
[22:05] <dtwood> JoshBrown: yep, that's linked now :) thanks
[22:06] <JoshBrown> Right, I'll be off now. If anything I said was wrong you can contact me at ~joshbrown - bye
[22:06] <JoshBrown> :)