[01:57] <trinikrono> hey all
[01:58] <trinikrono> if someone reports a bug that says it freezes on resuming what package to file too?
[01:59] <lajjr> trinikrono, what is it freezing on?
[01:59] <trinikrono> apon waking bug 366852
[01:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 366852 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Keyboard and Mouse Frozen after computer wakes (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366852
[02:00] <trinikrono> the wiki page says kernel is the safest, but i wanted to ask first
[02:05] <lajjr> are you getting a crash repost at all?
[02:05] <trinikrono> i am trying to assign packages here
[02:06] <lajjr> yes then kernel.
[02:09] <lajjr> can you tag it please??
[02:09] <trinikrono> well i am not sure what to do here,
[02:09] <lajjr> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies#Tags
[02:09] <trinikrono> lol okie
[02:09] <trinikrono> you do work on the kernel?
[02:22] <trinikrono> okie
[02:22] <trinikrono> so i go on select a source package
[02:22] <trinikrono> and type in linux
[02:22] <trinikrono> an it says  too many searches, what is the name of the kernel package in ubuntu?
[02:34] <dlbike76> Hello, how long does apport-retrace usually take to process the coredump file
[02:57] <lajjr> trinikrono, if you can use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies to add the files from you system to the bug report?
[02:58] <trinikrono> lajjr: well its up to the reporter now, i was doing assign bug to package and i put the tags 'suspend resume' also
[03:00] <lajjr> OK great...thanks..
[03:24] <trinikrono> i want to assign the package plymouth to this bug 596182, is this correct?
[03:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 596182 in ubuntu "Ugly Text Screens while booting, sometimes does not shut down (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596182
[03:52] <lajjr> trinikrono, are you sure that bug go with startupmanager ???
[03:53] <trinikrono> well that is why i asking, it said so on the wiki page, find the right package
[03:56] <lajjr> yes you are right just that the description gives you an answer..??
[05:06] <trinikrono> can someone look at bug 371195 i believe that it should be wishlist at least
[05:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 371195 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Blacklight stays lit (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371195
[09:55] <meho_r> Hi, all. A question: if I use apport to report a bug, and after a 2-3 days there was an update of some packages, and my bug was declared invalid by apport bot and ask that I report a new bug if it occurs again. What's the catch? How any bugs would be solved
[11:02] <xelister> did ssh -x just stoped working??
[11:06] <xelister> jesus christ  ssh  just stoped working.   or ssh -X  and ssh -x to be exact.
[11:18] <xelister> ssh -X    and even logging into  X stoped working after upgrade,
[11:18] <xelister> pam_ck_connector(kdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY
[11:19] <xelister> and then X session closes, even local one
[11:30] <xelister> hey false alarm, just ssh and/or pam are too lazy coded to report that they are out of disc space for their cookie files. I should patch this :)
[13:05] <vish> pedro_: hi , Bug #596022 is an Ubuntu bug? or needs to be sent to upstream?
[13:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 596022 in xchat-gnome (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Package description is unhelpful (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596022
[13:09] <pedro_> vish, that's a packaging bug (Ubuntu), probably the debian package is having the same description
[13:09] <pedro_> but that's not an upstream bug
[13:09] <vish> ah ok.
[14:24] <nigelb> vish: debian bug, you can open a task and perhaps provide a patch
[16:47] <xteejx> #ubuntu-meeting
[16:47] <xteejx> oops
[16:48] <xteejx> Anyway, Hi guys good afternoon :)
[16:49] <xteejx> Is anyone around that can take a look at my wiki page, tell me if it's up to scratch, I'm applying for Ubuntu membership and would be great if some of the higher up guys, i.e. pedro, brian etc would sponsor me or add a nice comment on my contributions wo my wiki page
[16:49] <xteejx> I'd really appreciate it, 7000+ karma so far bug triaging lol
[16:51] <xteejx> Or anyone really that's seen my work in and around the bug control/bugsquad stuff, I'm always here :)
[16:52] <drew212> hello xteejx
[16:52] <xteejx> Hi drew212 :)
[16:52] <xteejx> pedro_: Would you add a comment to my wiki page re above Mr pedro? :)
[16:53] <pedro_> hi xteejx
[16:53] <xteejx> hey :)
[16:53] <drew212> xteejx: i want to apply for bugcontrol, but idk when someone is competent enough to apply =P
[16:53] <pedro_> xteejx, only if you give me/us the url ;-)
[16:53] <xteejx> oops of course hehe
[16:53] <xteejx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xteejx
[16:54] <xteejx> drew212: Well you need to know about the bug triaging process, the workflow, how things work and why they work like that, our procedures, etc. All this information is on the wiki
[16:55] <drew212> xteejx: i'm currently a member of bugsquad, and i do my 5-a-days or more, and i'm being mentored under ddecator.
[16:56] <xteejx> drew212: Oh cool! Well if you have 5 decent bug reports that you have helped triage, you can apply for BugControl
[16:56] <drew212> xteejx: i do understand how to set importance, although i'm not going to be 100% correct in setting them because i cant get any experience...
[16:56] <drew212> xteejx: i usualy have to ask ddecator or micahg to set the importance of my FF bugs =P
[16:57] <xteejx> Of course, but it's on the Importance wiki page on what should be set as what, simple workaround = low, then medium, high, critical are real showstoppers
[16:57] <xteejx> drew212: That's no problem
[16:57] <drew212> xteejx: yeah, i always double check the wiki page before asking them to add an importance...
[16:57] <xteejx> tbh I haven't seen any BC applications for a couple of months
[16:58] <xteejx> drew212: Sometimes even us BC have to refer back from time to time
[16:58] <xteejx> ;)
[16:59] <xteejx> drew212: When you feel you are ready, just go for it anyway  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl - it's voted on by the curent BC members and of course bugmaster Brian or Pedro have the final say
[17:00] <xteejx> pedro_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xteejx
[17:00] <pedro_> drew212, you can also ask your mentor to vouch for you, that helps a lot
[17:00] <xteejx> oh yeah
[17:00] <pedro_> and makes the review process far more easier for the BC members
[17:17] <drew212> pedro_: i'll ask ddecator if he think's im ready =)
[17:31] <zz_grille> hey everybody
[17:32] <zz_grille> i have installed lucid, after this i setup my server system completly but get one problem
[17:34] <zz_grille> tomcat6 creates a new user/group with the path /usr/share/tomcat6, but this directory belongs to the user and group root. a commercial/opensource webapp called opproject uses this directory to create a new folder in it. there the license file will be stored
[17:34] <zz_grille> but because of the wrong owner this was not possible until i changed the ownership to tomcat6:tomcat6
[17:35] <zz_grille> please update the installscript
[17:35] <micahg> zz_grille: please file a bug :)
[17:35] <zz_grille> where ?
[17:36] <micahg> zz_grille: do you have an Ubuntu desktop?
[17:36] <zz_grille> no
[17:36] <zz_grille> thats why i post this hewre
[17:36] <zz_grille> here
[17:36] <zz_grille> :-)
[17:36] <baptistemm> the bug is the application you trying to install
[17:36] <baptistemm> so see with them I'd say
[17:36] <zz_grille> wtf
[17:36] <micahg> zz_grille: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat6/+filebug?no-redirect
[17:37] <baptistemm> I hardly why the owner of /usr/share would be different than root
[17:38] <zz_grille> baptistemm: why? the root webapp has there a directory, too
[17:39] <zus> would one bug begion to affect a bunch of other little things?  this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/574886 affe4cts me as well but im having other issues with in the last 24 hours  im on a fresh install  with ubuntu studio over ubuntu for 3 days now....
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574886 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt has strange network errors when updating indexes. (affects: 24) (heat: 185)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:45] <DrKenobi> Hi! A few days ago I read about some tool that make easy to triage bugs. Where can i find then?
[17:46] <micahg> DrKenobi: bughugger?
[17:47] <DrKenobi> I don't remember any name, maybe its bughugger. I'll take a look.
[18:07] <MrKanister> DrKenobi: You might want to take look at the packages "ubuntu-dev-tools" and "ubuntu-qa-tools". The present a large selection of useful small tools for the work with lp and bugs
[18:14] <DrKenobi> MrKanister: thanks, i'll take a look!
[18:53] <drew212> micahg: are you avail?
[18:54] <micahg> drew212: maybe for a quick question, about to run to $WORK
[18:54] <drew212> well for bug 571035 should i change the package to adobe flash and add the linux package as it could be a problem in either?
[18:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571035 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "No sound in Flash videos after hibernate (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571035
[18:54] <drew212> its definetly either a flash issue or a kernel issue
[18:57] <micahg> drew212: try kernel
[18:57] <drew212> alrite
[18:58] <drew212> don't assign both packages?
[18:58] <micahg> drew212: nah
[18:58] <drew212> alrite
[18:58] <micahg> drew212: you should only do that if you're at least sure about 1
[18:58] <micahg> drew212: if it's not kernel, they'll reassign
[18:58] <drew212> is there a possibly needs-reassignment tag?
[18:58] <micahg> drew212: what did audio team say?
[18:59] <drew212> no hits in 2 days
[18:59] <micahg> drew212: yes, but you use that if you're not sure where it goes
[18:59] <drew212> should i add the tag?
[19:00] <BUGabundo_IsBack> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[19:00] <drew212> should i mark as new?
[19:01] <micahg> drew212: move to kernel and mark as New
[19:01] <micahg> drew212: no tag
[19:01] <drew212> sounds good
[19:24] <ddecator> drew212: i'll let you know what i think after i get a chance to review your work more in-depth later this week :)
[20:22] <vish> !development
[20:22] <ubot2> Interested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? Get started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[20:23] <micahg> !msgthebot | vish :)
[20:23] <ubot2> vish :): Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
[20:23] <vish> ;)
[20:26] <vish> micahg: i was actually wondering why bugsquad is listed there^
[20:27] <micahg> vish: bugsquad is a good contact for bug info
[20:27] <vish> also not sure what mailing list communication have to do with actual development [as in does it require to be mentioned there]
[20:27] <micahg> which is needed to help fix bugs
[20:27] <vish> micahg: we do , but in context with the wiki.. seems out of place
[20:28] <vish> or maybe i havent got the point of the wiki
[20:28] <micahg> vish: documentation :)
[20:29] <vish> micahg: why i ask is , we often give that link for members asking how they can help develop , while the bugsquad, mailing list is probably not the info they want.. maybe its just me then :)
[20:31] <micahg> vish: it's encouraging upstream devs to talk to us AFAICT
[20:31] <vish> hmm..
[20:32] <micahg> vish: so their apps can be triaged better
[20:34]  * vish ponders about adding a sub-section for papercuts , we need help getting bugs fixed too ;)
[20:35] <micahg> vish: maybe send an e-mail to ubuntu-devel
[20:35] <vish> micahg: for papercuts?
[20:35] <Pa_trick17> Hi, just joined the BugSquad-Team in Launchpad. The Ubuntu-Wiki-Page says that one requirement is to send an e-mail to the BugSquad-Mailing-List, but as I joined this List a few weeks ago i recognized ppl that didn't like all the "Want-to-join"-Mails - Shall I write one or not?
[20:36] <micahg> vish: about adding it to the wiki for development
[20:36] <vish> micahg: ah , right. sure
[20:36] <vish> pedro_: Pa_trick17 is here to join bug squad
[20:37] <vish> Pa_trick17: do mention you launchpad profile link
[20:37] <vish> your*
[20:37] <Pa_trick17> here?
[20:37] <vish> yup , will be easier for pedro_ to add it
[20:38] <Pa_trick17> https://launchpad.net/~trick17
[20:38] <pedro_> though you were a member already Pa_trick17 ;-)
[20:38] <pedro_> let me have a look
[20:38] <Pa_trick17> hi pedro_ ;-)
[20:39] <Pa_trick17> i'm the "proposed member" in the launchpad-team
[20:39] <micahg> drew212: about that crash report bug, the user submitted a crash report, just not one that can be retraced
[20:39] <pedro_> Pa_trick17, approved, keep up the good work!
[20:40] <micahg> drew212: and asking someone for a coredump.gz is not a good idea either
[20:40] <Pa_trick17> pedro_: thx - and greetings to Chile ;-)
[20:40] <pedro_> thanks ;-)
[21:10] <drew212> micahg: we need the stacktrace.txt no? He cant seem to find the file or get anything uploaded, how should we proceed?
[21:17] <micahg> drew212: well, the upload of the coredump should be seamless to the reporter, if the user doesn't have enough memory, then a gdb backtrace might be a better option, but I can search upstream for that bug a little later to see if it's a know issue (you're welcome to search as well)
[21:18] <drew212> micahg: i'm still confused as to what a propper crash report contains... is there a wiki page i can read? the how to triage and apport pages don't really say what you should look for
[21:20] <micahg> drew212: will you be on later tonight
[21:20] <drew212> micahg: probably around 12:30ish
[21:21] <micahg> drew212: don't know if I'll be on that late, but if I am, I'll be happy to explain
[21:32] <trinikrono> i would like to know as well lol
[21:33] <xteejx> ogasawara: Hi Leann sorry to bother you, is there any chance we can get the patch for bug 461419 into Maverick before final?
[21:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 461419 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Karmic Lucid] Atheros AR5211 - ath5k driver connection and performance issues (affects: 53) (dups: 6) (heat: 302)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461419
[21:33] <xteejx> Or if anyone can answer that, I'd like to know (I'm affected)
[21:42] <xteejx> bug 461419 anyone?
[21:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 461419 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Karmic Lucid Maverick] Atheros AR5211 - ath5k driver connection and performance issues (affects: 53) (dups: 6) (heat: 307)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461419
[22:06] <xteejx> Anyone available?
[22:10] <xteejx> Does everyone go to sleep at 22:10 BST?
[22:16] <arand> xteejx: I could see If I can get the patch to a PPA, would that be useful?
[22:17] <xteejx> arand: Yeah that would definitely help, a PPA or bzr branch
[22:17] <xteejx> I had problems compiling it took an hour to recompile linux-headers and it messed up I done something wrong
[22:17] <arand> xteejx: And this seems to be a generally quiet hour indeed.
[22:18] <xteejx> arand: I'm not usually around this late, it's 22:18 here lol
[22:19] <arand> The thing is, I would guess the best thing is to try to get the patch included upstream, in the kernel proper. Dunno, since it seems it's not really finished (even though it works the upstream report sound as though some tweaking might be going on..)
[22:20] <micahg> arand: IIRC, upstream patch window for 2.6.35 is closed
[22:20] <xteejx> arand: Yeah, the patch came from upstream, but as micahg says there won't be any further patches for the 6.35 version
[22:20] <xteejx> Well, not unless we include them
[22:20] <arand> Ah, right, (have no check on kernel cycle)
[22:20] <ogasawara> xteejx: sorry, was away.  I'm trying to view the bug in lp but it keeps timing out (I'm assuming to the large # of comments)
[22:20] <micahg> xteejx: yeah, that doesn't mean we can't include it, but that's the kernel team's call
[22:21] <xteejx> talk of the devil :)
[22:21] <ogasawara> xteejx: you said the patch is upstream?
[22:21] <arand> #ubuntu-kernel might be of interest, iff they are alive..
[22:21] <xteejx> ogasawara: Yeah it is, it's attached to the LP report too
[22:21] <ogasawara> xteejx: can you point me to the upstream sha1 id?
[22:21] <xteejx> ermmmm...... no?
[22:21] <xteejx> I have no idea what that is
[22:22] <ogasawara> xteejx: it's the unique identifier for the upstream patch
[22:22] <arand> I don't know if it's in any git tree yet, apart from the one who made it.
[22:22] <ogasawara> xteejx: I'll keep trying to reload the bug here
[22:22] <arand> ogasawara: Patch from upstream bugzilla report https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=26566
[22:23] <arand> and report is https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13892
[22:23] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 13892 in network-wireless "ath5k with 168c:001c in Aspire ONE causes other nearby wireless clients to disassociate" [Normal,Needinfo]
[22:23] <xteejx> ogasawara: Ohhh I understand, it's in the upstream report as a patch file, it's not official yet, I'll link the report https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=26566 and https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13892
[22:23] <ogasawara> xteejx: hrm, so not officially upstream then (as in included in Linus' tree)
[22:24] <xteejx> Not yet, no, but it seems confirmed by those that have recompiled, and also I believe I've seen the idea of setting L0/L1 before with these cards back with Intrepid...I do think it *may* be a regression
[22:24] <xteejx> the dreaded word
[22:24] <arand> Is a PPA able to handle a kernel rebuild what with size constraints etc.?
[22:25] <micahg> arand: you get 2GB now :)
[22:25] <xteejx> arand: Well the actual .deb wouldn't even make 50mb I don't think, so you should be safe
[22:26] <arand> Yea, but I heard someone before who had troubles since the actual size during build was a fair amount of gigabytes...
[22:26] <xteejx> Is there no way to build locally and add the resulting .deb from pbuilder to a PPA, or something like that?
[22:27] <arand> I don't think so..
[22:27] <xteejx> :( oh
[22:28] <xteejx> ogasawara: ^^ up a few sorry I didn't put the IRC nick on there
[22:28] <micahg> arand: I don't think there's a problem with during build size, only upload size
[22:28] <ogasawara> xteejx: not sure on that, I've never tried
[22:29] <ogasawara> xteejx: I usually just build the .deb and point people to it
[22:29] <xteejx> ogasawara: I meant my answer to your "is it is linus' tree)
[22:29]  * ogasawara is lost
[22:29] <arand> micahg: Like I said, I was talking to someone who ran into a build size limit when (s)he was trying to stick a kernel in a PPA, but I don't know if there were other particulars involved...
[22:29] <xteejx> ogasawara: "Not yet, no, but it seems confirmed by those that have recompiled, and also I believe I've seen the idea of setting L0/L1 before with these cards back with Intrepid...I do think it *may* be a regression"
[22:29] <ogasawara> xteejx: do you know if the author of the patch has submitted this upstream?
[22:30] <xteejx> It is upstream, it's on the kernel bug report
[22:31] <ogasawara> xteejx: I should clarify, when I say "upstream" I mean more in the sense of it's been sent to the appropriate mailing lists when it'll get reviewed by the upstream maintainers
[22:31] <xteejx> ogasawara: Ohhh I don't think so
[22:31] <ogasawara> xteejx: the reason I ask is that's the preferred method to get this into Maverick
[22:32] <xteejx> Oh I see, I don't actually know how to do that, I don't usually deal with kernel patches, I only report upstream bugs
[22:32] <xteejx> :(
[22:33]  * xteejx thinks the LP mailer has just had a spaz attack and sent 20 emails to his inbox at once!!!
[22:35] <ogasawara> xteejx: I just looked up the author of the patch and it looks they've authored a few patches already that have landed upstream.
[22:35] <ogasawara> xteejx: so I'd assume they're comfortable with submitting this to the appropriate people
[22:35] <xteejx> ogasawara: Cool :)
[22:36] <ogasawara> xteejx: I'll dig around the mailing lists and see if it's already been posted or not
[22:36] <ogasawara> xteejx: in the best case scenario, this will get upstream before 2.6.35 final and we'll get the patch for free when we rebase
[22:36] <xteejx> I really hope this makes it to Maverick it's been semi-showstopping for over a year and half (at least for me)
[22:36] <xteejx> When we resync it?
[22:37] <xteejx> That'll be good :)
[22:37] <ogasawara> xteejx: right, we rebase with each 2.6.35-rc# candidate as they come out
[22:37]  * xteejx is happy :)
[22:39] <xteejx> ogasawara: Anyway thanks for looking into this but I gotta run, got an early morning
[22:40] <xteejx> Thanks all for the help, must dash, goodnight :)
[22:41]  * micahg thinks since dash is bash in ubuntu, he's having a party :D
[22:41] <yofel> arand: btw, I already did kernel rebuilds in a PPA, work fine, only if you upload several revisions in succession you get to the space limit very fast... (IE, with 1GB I ran out of space after 3 rebuilds I think)
[22:42] <arand> yofel: Ah, right.
[23:34] <stenten> How do I sign an email to Launchpad with my OpenPGP key?
[23:44] <jmarsden|work> stenten: Maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto  will help?
[23:49] <stenten> jmarsden|work: thanks, I already had a read of that and it confused me even more, heh.
[23:52] <jmarsden|work> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey any better for you?
[23:57] <stenten> Heh, I've already read through all those pages, thanks. I really just want to know if I have to actually add something to my email message or if I'm supposed to do something with it on Launchpad instead.
[23:58] <stenten> I'm trying to use the email interface to modify a bug report.