[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <jussi> *yawn*
[07:20] <dholbach> hola ara, hey jussi
[07:23] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:25]  * nigelb yawns too
[07:27] <dholbach> hey nigelb :)
[07:27] <dholbach> how's life in sunny India?
[07:28] <nigelb> dholbach: as usual :)
[07:29] <dholbach> that's everything? "as usual"? :)
[07:30] <nigelb> heh
[07:30] <nigelb> well, busy with work, but free enough for irc :)
[07:31] <nigelb> AND waiting for my laptop to come back from the shop
[07:31] <dholbach> still?
[07:31] <dholbach> poor Nigel
[07:32] <nigelb> now you know why patch review didn't move last week ;)
[07:35] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:36] <dpm> morning dholbach :)
[07:36] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:01] <ara> morning dpm
[08:05] <dpm> hola ara
[09:36] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:39] <randa_> hola dholbach!
[12:26] <Pendulum> akgraner: ping
[14:17] <paultag> hey doctormo, poke
[14:36] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:37] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:30] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll mark the daily builds work item concerning "write up something awesome" as INPROGRESS
[15:30] <jcastro> yeah
[15:30] <nigelb> dholbach: shall we attack pedro re: hug day for patches?
[15:31] <jcastro> dholbach: really all I need is to test it once they tell us it's working and then I am ready to go about an hour after that
[15:31] <dholbach> jcastro: I think it's "almost working now" :)
[15:31] <paultag> speaking of daily builds, who do I have to yell at to try and port debian live to ubuntu live ?
[15:32] <dholbach> jcastro: I think we can always tweak the docs later on
[15:32] <dholbach> jcastro: the basic announce will probably always be the same :)
[15:32] <dholbach> paultag: yell at what? port debian live to ubuntu live?
[15:33] <paultag> dholbach: last time I tried ( which was way way back ) debian live bombed when I tried to roll an Ubuntu live CD out of it
[15:33] <paultag> dholbach: I hate the way to roll an ISO now, it makes me want to kill the nearest living thing
[15:33] <dholbach> paultag: I have no idea how all of that stuff works
[15:33] <dholbach> the people in #ubuntu-devel might though :)
[15:33] <jcastro> dholbach: nigelb: we have a todo for a ubuntu helpdesk for debian devs.
[15:33] <paultag> I used to do some work with that team back in 07-08 ish
[15:34] <paultag> dholbach: thanks mate :)
[15:34] <jcastro> I have been thinking about how to do that
[15:34] <dholbach> nigelb: shall we try to schedule it for after UDW?
[15:34] <nigelb> jcastro: same as them perhaps?
[15:34] <dholbach> nigelb: I'm happy with whatever really
[15:34] <nigelb> dholbach: ack, ok
[15:34] <nigelb> dholbach: I prefer having it when my laptop is back
[15:35] <dholbach> nigelb: there's still some time until UDW
[15:35] <nigelb> dholbach: I should get my computer this week (hopefully)
[15:35] <nigelb> jcastro: Idea A: We create a mailing list and have everyone who could be important to join that list
[15:36] <nigelb> Idea B: We have a mailing list of volunteers who can re-route specific issues to the right person
[15:36] <dholbach> jcastro: it could be #debian-ubuntu
[15:36] <jcastro> I am not sure another list/channel is a good idea, rather using the existing channels
[15:37] <nigelb> jcastro: it can be something like debian@ubuntu.com -> this forwards to you or jono right?
[15:37] <dholbach> jcastro: it exists already
[15:37] <dholbach> #debian-ubuntu on OFTC
[15:37] <jcastro> dholbach: which list?
[15:37] <jcastro> oh right right
[15:37] <jcastro> bbiab, getting deryck to close his work items so we're not so doomed
[15:38] <dholbach> hehe :)
[15:38] <nigelb> heh
[15:39] <nigelb> My person irk is that not many people know whom to contact for what especially stuff that canonical develops
[15:39] <dholbach> nigelb: it's probably the same as with any other package / piece of software
[15:39] <nigelb> I know, but I've found others not knowing.  The problem to be solved is improved communication to the right person
[15:40] <nigelb> dholbach: agreed, but I feel we can do better
[15:40] <jcastro> dholbach: ok so is #debian-ubuntu our agreed front desk then?
[15:40] <dholbach> which specific use-case are you thinking of?
[15:40] <dholbach> jcastro: erm, I did not write a spec about it or anything
[15:40] <jcastro> even better
[15:40] <jcastro> JFDI FTW.
[15:40] <dholbach> jcastro: but it feels natural that people can ask questions there - I thought that was the general idea
[15:40] <jcastro> yeah
[15:41] <jcastro> I think between irc, the debian@ubuntu.com and the normal ubuntu mailing lists that that ought to be enough
[15:41] <nigelb> dholbach: the -devel mail about software generated by ubuntu that has been bouncing around
[15:41] <jcastro> nigelb: but we're making progress there
[15:41] <jcastro> someone is snagging ayatana stuff for debian already
[15:41] <nigelb> jcastro: ofcourse :)
[15:42] <dholbach> nigelb: I'm not sure what exactly you want to improve
[15:42] <paultag> nigelb: I saw your email :)
[15:42] <dholbach> if I don't know who to contact about a piece of software, I'd get the code and check the changelog
[15:42] <paultag> nigelb: I'm here to help with Debian / Ubuntu interactions
[15:42] <dholbach> and the "homepage" if anything lists it
[15:42] <paultag> dholbach: most DMs don't know their code is being patched downstream from what I've seen
[15:42] <dholbach> what else do you think is missing?
[15:43] <nigelb> perhaps nothing more :/
[15:43] <dholbach> paultag: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gedit.html ← check out the right bottom corner
[15:44] <dholbach> nigelb: if you have a brilliant new idea what we could do, I'm all up for it - I just wasn't sure what you were looking for
[15:44] <paultag> dholbach: then I blame lazy DMs and DDs
[15:44] <nigelb> dholbach: I was looking for a brilliant new idea and hoping you'd come up with one :D
[15:44] <dholbach> paultag: maybe it's not advertised enough
[15:44] <dholbach> nigelb: haha
[15:44] <dholbach> :-)
[15:44]  * dholbach hugs you all
[15:44] <nigelb> paultag: I think we need to spam planets :)
[15:45] <nigelb> oh wait, we can perhaps have a post of all information available to DMs and DDs
[15:45] <paultag> nigelb: heh
[15:45] <paultag> dholbach: :P
[15:45] <paultag> I think I'm going to go for Debian maintainer soonish
[15:46]  * nigelb cheers for paultag :)
[15:46] <paultag> :)
[15:46] <paultag> I have my key nice and signed, and a few people willing to back me :D
[15:46] <nigelb> \o/
[15:46] <jcastro> also, hi paultag!
[15:46] <paultag> heyya jcastro! Coming to OLF again? We're just plotting :)
[15:47] <jcastro> for sure
[15:47] <nigelb> dholbach: I think we can have jcastro rotating with us for the reports!
[15:47] <paultag> jcastro: I do believe I owe you a drink or two :)
[15:47] <jcastro> so I went to FOSSCON, it's the one in rochester NY, first year
[15:47] <jcastro> it was pretty great
[15:47] <paultag> jcastro: Oh yeah, lefty was there too
[15:47] <paultag> jcastro: nice :)
[15:47] <jcastro> those NY locos got their stuff running tight!
[15:47] <vish> jcastro: hey hey,  back with us? :)
[15:47] <paultag> Charlie did a great job
[15:47] <jcastro> vish: yeah!
[15:48] <nigelb> jcastro: you wanna rotate with me and dholbach for cleansweep reports every monday?
[15:48] <jcastro> nigelb: absolutely
[15:48] <akgraner> I hate I missed FOSSCON :-(
[15:48] <nigelb> jcastro: next monday is your turn then :)
[15:48] <jcastro> I need like another hour to catch up and then I'd like to hit this debian stuff hard.
[15:48]  * nigelb likes that akgraner is getting some rest
[15:48] <jcastro> I want to blog about the new debian list, etc.
[15:49] <nigelb> jcastro: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/patches/
[15:49] <nigelb> we have some new graphs :)
[15:49] <jcastro> NOICE
[15:49] <jcastro> man we need more help
[15:49] <jcastro> did bobbo fail school yet?
[15:49] <jcastro> (just kidding)
[15:49] <nigelb> hahaha
[15:49] <nigelb> my laptop's dead and I've been away for a week
[15:49] <nigelb> last week I reviewed like 30 patches in an hour
[15:50] <jcastro> dholbach: ok so deryck just DONEd like 6 items.
[15:50] <dholbach> yeeeeeeeeeeehaw
[15:50] <jcastro> dholbach: that should give us a bit of breathing room
[15:50] <nigelb> yay, mail spam
[15:50] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm: we can and slack for a week now
[15:50] <jcastro> dholbach: yeah, good thing jono isn't here to spy on us
[15:50] <jcastro> WAIT.
[15:50] <dpm> jcastro, dholbach, awesome!
[15:51] <nigelb> jcastro: he is here, isn't he ;)
[15:51] <nigelb> ahh, I can work on of them for this week - the blacklist process
[15:51] <paultag> WHOH WHOH jcastro
[15:52] <jcastro> cool, when lucas is around nigelb we can talk about submit-to-debian
[15:52] <nigelb> paultag: re:debian maintainers complaining - we give patches back during merges, but get compaints before we can start the process
[15:52] <paultag> jcastro: I just checked out your blog, and the pic of that guy on the front page ( Jason ) is my goddamn double. I thought for a good 10 seconds that it was me
[15:52] <jcastro> maybe paultag can bring his undergrad enthusiasm and fix it for us. :p
[15:52] <jcastro> paultag: no he's way dorkier
[15:52] <nigelb> jcastro: ack, I'll write to you and you can not block on me
[15:52] <paultag> jcastro: goddamnit, not getting roped into this until I get my frieken todo queue done
[15:53] <paultag> jcastro: hold on, let me find a photo of me. We look _identical_
[15:53] <jcastro> paultag: hah, welcome to the team!
[15:53] <paultag> haha
[15:53] <jcastro> "oh just wait like, 10 minutes and I'll get caught up."
[15:54] <paultag> jcastro: this one is close ( don't mind the purple teeth, it was a wine night with my cuz ) -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs087.snc3/15453_1191843636533_1241640883_30964716_6817011_n.jpg
[15:56]  * paultag is really creeped out
[15:57]  * jussi creeps paultag out some more...
[15:57] <paultag> heyya jussi :)
[15:57] <jussi> :D
[15:57] <nigelb> dholbach: can we close persia's tasks? I'm not sure what they are and if they need to be done or even better if we did them already
[15:57]  * nigelb waves to jussi 
[15:57] <dholbach> nigelb: sure
[15:58] <nigelb> dholbach: talk to bug squad people would be telling bug squad about us and what needs to be done in case of patches - I'll raise it at next bug squad meeting - assign to me
[15:59] <nigelb> I don't remember what buckets and todo lists is about :/
[15:59] <dholbach> nigelb: will you assign to yourself or shall I do it?
[16:00] <nigelb> dholbach: can you please assign?
[16:00] <dholbach> nigelb: sure
[16:01] <dholbach> nigelb: done
[16:01] <nigelb> dholbach: thank you :)
[16:02] <dholbach> nigelb: we're on for Jul 22
[16:02] <dholbach> nigelb: hugday after udw
[16:02] <nigelb> awesome :)
[16:13]  * vish wonders who came up with the tag "Fearless leader" for Jono :D
[16:17] <dholbach> jcastro: moved the announce from the pad to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/Announce
[16:17] <dholbach> (and prepared a blog entry, so we can GO whenever its ready)
[16:17] <dholbach> jcastro: can you take "[dholbach] Ask interested people to set up daily builds: TODO"?
[16:18] <dholbach> jcastro: aren't you in touch with thos people anyway? :D
[16:19] <jcastro> I am
[16:19] <jcastro> you can move that to me
[16:19]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[16:19] <nigelb> that is one full of awesome wiki :)
[16:19] <dholbach> sweet
[16:20] <dholbach> nigelb: it just contains "awesome" twice
[16:20] <dholbach> nigelb: that's sub-par-under-awesome in jcastro-terms
[16:21] <jcastro> hah dholbach
[16:21] <jcastro> I just screwed you
[16:21] <jcastro> I am on holiday 27-29 august
[16:22] <nigelb> HAHA
[16:22] <jcastro> but I didn't put it in the calendar yet (just did now)
[16:22] <dholbach> jcastro: SCREW YOU!
[16:22]  * dholbach hugs jcastro :)
[16:22] <jcastro> don't worry, I am sure you will assign me to 45 IRC sessions before hand
[16:22] <paultag> Ha!
[16:23] <paultag> jcastro: you did one on your frik'n birthday
[16:23] <paultag> I don't think 45 is enough
[16:23] <dholbach> jcastro: we'll figure it out just fine
[16:23] <dholbach> there's a lot of time until then
[16:23] <jcastro> dholbach: ok what week did the lp team say they are landing daily build stuff?
[16:23] <jcastro> like, as in next week?
[16:24] <jcastro> or further out?
[16:28] <dholbach> jcastro: they only tested recipes up until now, package recipe builds are close, they hope to get it done ASAP, but will only roll out to edge because the UI needs a bit more polish
[16:28] <dholbach> jcastro: so hopefully next week
[16:29] <dholbach> they keep hitting small stumbling blocks and hoped to have it done earlier already
[16:29]  * jcastro nods
[16:29] <jcastro> I am planning on setting up a bunch (like from that list)
[16:29] <jcastro> as an example
[16:29] <jcastro> dholbach: will there be an easy way to list all the daily PPAs?
[16:30] <dholbach> jcastro: I dunno, abentley should know
[16:30] <dholbach> or noodles
[16:30] <jcastro> like are we going to ask people to follow a naming convention for the main ones or .. ?
[16:30] <jcastro> ok
[16:34] <dholbach> we
[16:34] <dholbach> 're below the line: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-community.html :)
[16:34] <dholbach> but maybe just for a day
[16:35] <dholbach> jcastro: no idea
[16:35] <dholbach> jcastro: might be nice though
[16:35] <jcastro> is that because of those 6 items you think?
[16:35] <dholbach> jcastro: I think I'll give a session quickly after announce as part of Packaging Training
[16:35] <dholbach> jcastro: maybe, yeah
[16:35] <jcastro> ok
[16:35] <jcastro> I should have like 2 more today
[16:37] <dholbach> ok, added my session
[16:45] <dpm> jcastro, that's definitely because of the 6 items. I've been watching the chart this morning and they did make the difference. Good work on deryck and you!
[17:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:02] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[17:02] <dholbach> big hugs
[17:02] <paultag> night dholbach :)
[17:02] <nigelb> night!
[17:07] <dpm> yep, time to call it a day for me too
[17:07] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[17:09] <jcastro> hey jussi
[17:09] <jcastro> #debian-ubuntu is a bridge to OFTC iirc?
[17:16] <jcastro> JFo: hey, so they landed the fix that makes +patches show the right stuff
[17:16] <jcastro> can you doublecheck next time you're doing bugwork?
[17:16] <JFo> certainly can :)
[17:17] <nigelb> later folks, going back home :)
[17:43] <doctormo> Has anyone heard of these guys: http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/ ?
[18:03] <paultag> hey doctormo, poke :)
[18:03] <paultag> also, I've never heard of them doctormo :/
[18:09] <paultag> doctormo: I'm going to head downtown at like 3:00, so I'll be down at about 4:00, and I'll walk around for a bit
[18:39] <qense> good afternoon
[19:19] <doctormo> paultag: Let me know if you want to meet up earlier.
[19:29] <paultag> doctormo: poke
[19:30] <doctormo> paultag: shoot
[19:30] <paultag> doctormo: so I'm leaving in about 30, I'll be down by 4:00
[19:33] <doctormo> paultag: Yes, I saw that, did you get my message about meeting up ealier?
[19:33] <paultag> doctormo: just now
[19:36] <paultag> doctormo: it takes me about an hour to get down, so that's asap :)
[19:37] <doctormo> paultag: Aight see you there.
[19:38] <paultag> doctormo: sounds like a plan, stan
[20:10] <jcastro> jono: we still on for today?
[20:55] <jono> jcastro, yep
[20:56] <czajkowski> jono: just the gentleman I'm looking for :)
[20:56] <czajkowski> jono: a heads up http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/06/22/new-tag-locoteams-find-out-whats-going-on-with-other-loco-teams/
[20:56] <czajkowski> be great if you could also start to use it when you can
[20:56] <czajkowski> trying to encourage loco teams to promote their events, get discssion going
[21:00] <jono> czajkowski, cool, have a call now, but will check when I am done
[21:00] <czajkowski> jono: thanks
[21:01] <jono> jcastro, give me a moment to get out the studio and head downstairs
[21:02] <jcastro> no worries
[21:10] <jono> jcastro, lets do skype
[21:10] <jono> I can do it in the studio
[21:12] <jcastro> ok
[21:12] <jcastro> I need to reboot
[21:12] <jcastro> one sec
[21:12] <jono> jcastro, np
[21:15] <jcastro> jono: ok all set
[22:41] <czajkowski> jono:  remember that page I asked ayou about re Loco council and updates be sent to you and how it was out of date and needed to be removed
[22:41] <jono> yeah
[22:41] <czajkowski> jono: well here is another https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader
[22:41] <czajkowski> but folks are editing it
[22:41] <jono> ok cool :)
[22:41] <czajkowski> but we have the ledership code of conduct
[22:41] <czajkowski> jono: are you redireting the pages to the new updated pages?
[22:45] <czajkowski> off now to drogheda to collect sister from aiport  then back to CAstleconnell tomorrow folks
[22:45] <czajkowski> nn