| flan | http://uguu.ca/245/another-quickshot-teaser/ | 05:23 |
|---|---|---|
| flan | I think it's starting to look almost pretty. | 05:23 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: i hope we didnt have a meeting this weekend, did we? | 06:27 |
| humphreybc | nope | 06:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | !ping | 13:53 |
| manualbot | pong | 13:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | !ping | 13:53 |
| * ubuntujenkins thinks manualbot is not very fast at ping pong | 13:54 | |
| ChrisWoollard | !pong | 13:56 |
| manualbot | pong is an old atari game. It's fun! | 13:56 |
| flan | ubuntujenkins, http://uguu.ca/245/another-quickshot-teaser/ | 14:52 |
| flan | Any ideas on things that could make that more intuitive? | 14:52 |
| flan | Layout-wise. | 14:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | that looks great, perhaps add the full language name next to the language code | 14:55 |
| flan | Would that really matter to an admin? | 14:57 |
| flan | (Trying to weigh space and clutter versus practicality) | 14:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | hmm not sure i do have to look up which one is which . Just if the person has no clue, the manual team deals with lanaguage codes as thats how we build them. other teams may not be use to them. on builds.ubuntu-manual.org does not look bad | 14:59 |
| ubuntujenkins | some are a bit long | 14:59 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am not liking glade at the moment it is proving very hard to get things correct | 15:00 |
| flan | Out of curiosity, since you know more about it than I do, what, exactly, does Babel give us? | 15:02 |
| flan | I get that it translates the name of the working language, but does it offer anything else? | 15:02 |
| flan | I'm thinking that maybe we could just remove it and get Turkish working that way. | 15:02 |
| flan | Or alternatively wrap it in an ImportError-handler and fall back to plain language codes. | 15:03 |
| flan | I mean, most people should be able to recognize their language code, even if they don't normally use Roman characters. | 15:03 |
| flan | Most people who'd be helping a multi-lingual documentation project* | 15:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | Babel gives us the language code in a pretty word. Thats all i know. We have a contigent for if bebal does not know what it is and that just shows the code. It does give us more hassle than it is worth | 15:04 |
| flan | So, yeah, since we don't actually need the decimal module or pickle for anything we do natively, if you wrap babel's import in a "try: import babel; except ImportError: babel = None" block, then test to see if it has a value before attempting to use it, the Turkish issue should go away. | 15:06 |
| flan | Without impacting anything else. | 15:06 |
| flan | Except other languages that might break with it. | 15:06 |
| flan | But those will just fall back to language code. | 15:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | Yea I think that would be a good idea | 15:07 |
| flan | Can you hack that or do you want me to do it during lunch? | 15:07 |
| flan | It should be pretty simple. | 15:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will give it ago and see how i get on | 15:09 |
| flan | We should also consider dropping babel as a requirement for 1.0, if we can't really justify it. It adds 1.8MB and we're only using, like, maybe 2K of that. | 15:09 |
| flan | We might be able to just rip its language table out of the source and parse it ourselves. | 15:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | yea another good idea. | 15:11 |
| _ubuntujenkins | not much is translated in turkish | 15:13 |
| flan | Well, we probably can't expect much in non-Western languages this early in the project's lifecycle. | 15:14 |
| _ubuntujenkins | fixed that bug all you need to do is add | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | except KeyError: | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | #This happens because of a python error for turkish | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | pass | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | in line 346 | 15:19 |
| flan | So Babel imports fine? | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | yep | 15:19 |
| _ubuntujenkins | we already have a work around for latin there | 15:19 |
| flan | Oh, I see what you did. | 15:20 |
| flan | A bit hackish, but it'll do. | 15:20 |
| flan | (Since we'll be dropping that logic anyway) | 15:20 |
| _ubuntujenkins | I would not have been able to work that out a 6 months ago :) | 15:20 |
| flan | Hacks are a great way to learn. | 15:21 |
| _ubuntujenkins | I suppose i should to a bug fix release? | 15:21 |
| _ubuntujenkins | brb | 15:21 |
| flan | They teach more about good design than rigourous adherence to "best practises" without actually learning why those practises are best. | 15:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | xchat has got bad some how _ubuntujenkins and flan are both yellow | 15:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | sweet that package should be built in the ppa and ready for people to update in 30mins | 15:38 |
| c7p | hello all | 15:50 |
| flan | Yay. | 16:04 |
| flan | I hope it works. | 16:04 |
| flan | Hi, c7p. | 16:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | hey c7p have you looked at builds.ubuntu-manual.org it looks like kevin has done some of the things on the list. like adding revision number and date on two lines. Also I have an issue with building at the moment I get japanese letters in the index to the left of evince | 16:09 |
| c7p | hey ubuntujenkins I was afk | 16:14 |
| c7p | yap revision stuff is ok :) | 16:15 |
| c7p | I don't know why japanese letters appear on your index :( | 16:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | neither do i I need to grad godbyk on that one | 16:17 |
| c7p | do you use the script I sent you yesterday ? | 16:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep, I had this problem before i think its my latex install | 16:19 |
| c7p | maybe | 16:20 |
| c7p | hm I think we should try eliminating those 4 warnings during the build (http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/). What do you think ? | 16:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will have a look | 16:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: I am not sure which warnings the 4 is on about if you look for the word "warning" in the log file there is loads of them. | 16:32 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: yes, exclude those about margin notes | 16:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok lets make a list | 16:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors | 16:35 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins do you have the link of the list of things that have to be done before the release of a translation edition handy ? | 16:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep just get it | 16:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | .ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo | 16:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo | 16:37 |
| c7p | ty | 16:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | all the non margin errors are no on the pad | 16:40 |
| c7p | ok nice | 16:41 |
| c7p | why they are more than 4 ? | 16:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | no clue | 16:44 |
| c7p | :/ it's so ... I don't know ... confusing | 16:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep this is definatley a godbyk job i am afraid | 16:45 |
| c7p | probably | 16:46 |
| c7p | can you make a similar list of the warnings from http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-de.log ? | 16:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | sure | 16:47 |
| c7p | so we can compare the warnings if there are any on german build | 16:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will do later as my sister is steeling my laptop | 16:47 |
| c7p | :p ok | 16:47 |
| c7p | brb in 10 min. ok ? | 16:48 |
| * c7p back | 17:11 | |
| flan | That was twenty-two minutes. | 17:13 |
| * flan can't trust you anymore. | 17:13 | |
| c7p | :p | 17:14 |
| c7p | i was waiting 12 minutes for the ok | 17:14 |
| c7p | 12 mins is ok timeout haha | 17:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will be back after dinner etc | 18:17 |
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| * ubuntujenkins has got his laptop back at last | 21:17 | |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: ping | 21:17 |
| * ubuntujenkins still uses ctrl+s automatically even on etherpad | 21:39 | |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: hello i made i back and have made the german list | 21:58 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: good job :D ty | 21:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors | 21:58 |
| c7p | the sixth warning doesn't exist | 21:59 |
| c7p | we use different font so we are ok | 22:00 |
| c7p | the same thing happens with 3rd and 4th warning | 22:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | the 4th is the same as the 6th, when did the font change? | 22:00 |
| c7p | from almost the beggining | 22:01 |
| c7p | because we had a problem with greek letters | 22:01 |
| c7p | some letters where highlighted while others not | 22:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | why is it not the same in builds.ubuntu-manual.org ? we must still be using the old font somewhere i guess | 22:02 |
| c7p | no | 22:02 |
| daker | check that we must still be using the old font somewhere i guess | 22:02 |
| c7p | but let me check it | 22:02 |
| daker | sorry | 22:03 |
| daker | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html#more-6253 | 22:03 |
| c7p | you can see the um-greek.clo file | 22:04 |
| daker | the "Download now" is ponting this link http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/c/pubRD.mpl/?pc=w_ubun01 | 22:04 |
| c7p | that's all about fonts if my memory deserves me well | 22:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: if you look at the um-greek.clo file mine says Linux Libertine | 22:04 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: i thought we were using serif :/ | 22:05 |
| c7p | daker: why is that so ? | 22:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: I cant download it | 22:06 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: I will search on my mails for more info about the fonts | 22:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks c7p | 22:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: are its ok its chromium | 22:07 |
| daker | when you click one the link you are redirect to http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/ | 22:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | why are people putting our manual behind spam walls! :/ | 22:08 |
| * ubuntujenkins gets anoyed | 22:08 | |
| dutchie | i suppose we should be pleased in a way | 22:09 |
| flan | Because, to quote an unnamed source, the Intenret is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. | 22:09 |
| flan | Our course of action is clear: build a better Internet. | 22:09 |
| flan | Or re-engineer society. | 22:09 |
| flan | Either way. | 22:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | hmm but its not publisisng the team. and people can get it with out giving up so much info | 22:10 |
| * ubuntujenkins is tempted to ask by using http://www.ubuntugeek.com/contact | 22:10 | |
| daker | when you click "Request now" your are redirect to http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/prgm.cgi | 22:10 |
| flan | Curtly ask they they put a link to our site in the article's body. | 22:10 |
| flan | Or politely. | 22:10 |
| flan | I like being a jerk. | 22:10 |
| flan | that they* | 22:10 |
| daker | the same thing as the other site, the one found by humphreybc | 22:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | Iwas just going to ask that they link to our site | 22:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | you have to give so much information just to get it | 22:11 |
| flan | daker, any quick design tips to make http://uguu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/qs-preview-2.png more aesthetically pleasing? | 22:12 |
| flan | Information *and* time. | 22:12 |
| flan | I'd give up before subscribing to some site I'll never visit again. | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | Hello, | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | It is great that you are promoting the manual, would you be able to put a link to our site so that people can find out more about our team? Our site is www.ubuntu-manual.org. | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | Thanks | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | Luke | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | is what i am going to send | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | any thoughts? | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | I would like to write stop using a spam wall! but i will not | 22:14 |
| flan | I'd mention that it should be a prominent link. | 22:14 |
| flan | The way they present it, it looks like they're saying they wrote it. | 22:14 |
| flan | Which is what I accused that other site of doing. | 22:14 |
| flan | In the message I wrote to them. | 22:14 |
| flan | Because I'm a jerk. | 22:15 |
| flan | (I made the accusation politely) | 22:15 |
| flan | (But the subtext was clear) | 22:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok now reads | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | It is great that you are promoting the manual, would you be able to put a predominate link to our site so that people can find out more about our team? That way they can get involved in helping us to write it | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | doh predominate! | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | done sent | 22:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | will i get a response? | 22:18 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: I didn't find any mail from godbyk, but I find our talk on channel http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/12/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t19:18 | 22:19 |
| daker | flan, i think bredcrumbs should be great for the navigation | 22:20 |
| flan | What do you mean? | 22:20 |
| daker | something like this http://blog.jaysalvat.com/_library/2009/10/breadcrumbs/breadcrumb0.png | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | all this talk of bread crumbs makes me hungry | 22:22 |
| daker | \o/ | 22:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: hmm the *.clo file has some comments in it. We will have to ask godbyk what his thinking was on that | 22:23 |
| * c7p omg I miss godbyk :D | 22:23 | |
| daker | give me more screenshots | 22:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | of food? | 22:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: is there anything else we can do? | 22:28 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: nope :D we are waiting for godbyk | 22:29 |
| flan | I already have that, though. | 22:29 |
| c7p | topo fixed almost all the bugs if not all but still we need godbyk to approve the release of pdf | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: cool If we all ping him at once :P | 22:30 |
| flan | The small text above the title links back to the parent. | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | for a moment I thought flan had thought of food | 22:30 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: hehe | 22:30 |
| c7p | well I'm having :p brb | 22:30 |
| flan | I can go one better than giving you screenshots, daker. I can give you live access, if you're okay with resisting the urge to start rebuilding the whole thing. | 22:31 |
| flan | (I'm making too many changes each night for a redesign to be practical at this time) | 22:31 |
| * ubuntujenkins has finaly worked out why facebook in pigin was not working | 22:33 | |
| daker | flan, i making some mockups for you | 22:40 |
| flan | Don't go into too much detail. I've still got about half of the system to go. | 22:41 |
| flan | (There are about eight more pages left to craft) | 22:41 |
| flan | (I was mostly looking for tips on colours and fonts on that one) | 22:42 |
| flan | I mean, I appreciate all the work you're willing to invest, but I don't want any of it to go to waste. | 22:42 |
| flan | I'll be asking for a full review when it's functionally complete, in early July. | 22:43 |
| flan | When you can freely change anything you'd like, without needing to worry about whether or not a feature is missing. | 22:44 |
| flan | (I'm keeping the code as separate from the interface as possible) | 22:44 |
| flan | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/server/annotate/head:/quickshot/quickshot/templates/root_project.mako ius the code behind that image. | 22:46 |
| c7p | ubuntujenkins: Is there anything else I can do today ? | 22:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: not as far as I know, wish i could do more | 22:49 |
| c7p | so do I :/ | 22:49 |
| daker | flan, kk | 22:50 |
| flan | (The CSS file is currently a mess. I promise to organize and document everything before I turn it over to you) | 22:50 |
| c7p | night all :) | 22:51 |
| flan | G'night, c7p. | 22:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | night c7p | 22:52 |
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