[05:23] http://uguu.ca/245/another-quickshot-teaser/ [05:23] I think it's starting to look almost pretty. [06:27] humphreybc: i hope we didnt have a meeting this weekend, did we? [06:35] nope [13:53] !ping [13:53] pong [13:53] !ping [13:54] * ubuntujenkins thinks manualbot is not very fast at ping pong [13:56] !pong [13:56] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [14:52] ubuntujenkins, http://uguu.ca/245/another-quickshot-teaser/ [14:52] Any ideas on things that could make that more intuitive? [14:53] Layout-wise. [14:55] that looks great, perhaps add the full language name next to the language code [14:57] Would that really matter to an admin? [14:57] (Trying to weigh space and clutter versus practicality) [14:59] hmm not sure i do have to look up which one is which . Just if the person has no clue, the manual team deals with lanaguage codes as thats how we build them. other teams may not be use to them. on builds.ubuntu-manual.org does not look bad [14:59] some are a bit long [15:00] I am not liking glade at the moment it is proving very hard to get things correct [15:02] Out of curiosity, since you know more about it than I do, what, exactly, does Babel give us? [15:02] I get that it translates the name of the working language, but does it offer anything else? [15:02] I'm thinking that maybe we could just remove it and get Turkish working that way. [15:03] Or alternatively wrap it in an ImportError-handler and fall back to plain language codes. [15:03] I mean, most people should be able to recognize their language code, even if they don't normally use Roman characters. [15:04] Most people who'd be helping a multi-lingual documentation project* [15:04] Babel gives us the language code in a pretty word. Thats all i know. We have a contigent for if bebal does not know what it is and that just shows the code. It does give us more hassle than it is worth [15:06] So, yeah, since we don't actually need the decimal module or pickle for anything we do natively, if you wrap babel's import in a "try: import babel; except ImportError: babel = None" block, then test to see if it has a value before attempting to use it, the Turkish issue should go away. [15:06] Without impacting anything else. [15:06] Except other languages that might break with it. [15:06] But those will just fall back to language code. [15:07] Yea I think that would be a good idea [15:07] Can you hack that or do you want me to do it during lunch? [15:07] It should be pretty simple. [15:09] I will give it ago and see how i get on [15:09] We should also consider dropping babel as a requirement for 1.0, if we can't really justify it. It adds 1.8MB and we're only using, like, maybe 2K of that. [15:09] We might be able to just rip its language table out of the source and parse it ourselves. [15:11] yea another good idea. [15:13] <_ubuntujenkins> not much is translated in turkish [15:14] Well, we probably can't expect much in non-Western languages this early in the project's lifecycle. [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> fixed that bug all you need to do is add [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> except KeyError: [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> #This happens because of a python error for turkish [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> pass [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> in line 346 [15:19] So Babel imports fine? [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> yep [15:19] <_ubuntujenkins> we already have a work around for latin there [15:20] Oh, I see what you did. [15:20] A bit hackish, but it'll do. [15:20] (Since we'll be dropping that logic anyway) [15:20] <_ubuntujenkins> I would not have been able to work that out a 6 months ago :) [15:21] Hacks are a great way to learn. [15:21] <_ubuntujenkins> I suppose i should to a bug fix release? [15:21] <_ubuntujenkins> brb [15:21] They teach more about good design than rigourous adherence to "best practises" without actually learning why those practises are best. [15:22] xchat has got bad some how _ubuntujenkins and flan are both yellow [15:38] sweet that package should be built in the ppa and ready for people to update in 30mins [15:50] hello all [16:04] Yay. [16:04] I hope it works. [16:04] Hi, c7p. [16:09] hey c7p have you looked at builds.ubuntu-manual.org it looks like kevin has done some of the things on the list. like adding revision number and date on two lines. Also I have an issue with building at the moment I get japanese letters in the index to the left of evince [16:14] hey ubuntujenkins I was afk [16:15] yap revision stuff is ok :) [16:17] I don't know why japanese letters appear on your index :( [16:17] neither do i I need to grad godbyk on that one [16:18] do you use the script I sent you yesterday ? [16:19] yep, I had this problem before i think its my latex install [16:20] maybe [16:24] hm I think we should try eliminating those 4 warnings during the build (http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/). What do you think ? [16:29] I will have a look [16:32] c7p: I am not sure which warnings the 4 is on about if you look for the word "warning" in the log file there is loads of them. [16:34] ubuntujenkins: yes, exclude those about margin notes [16:35] ok lets make a list [16:35] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors [16:36] ubuntujenkins do you have the link of the list of things that have to be done before the release of a translation edition handy ? [16:37] yep just get it [16:37] .ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo [16:37] pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo [16:38] ty [16:40] all the non margin errors are no on the pad [16:41] ok nice [16:43] why they are more than 4 ? [16:44] no clue [16:45] :/ it's so ... I don't know ... confusing [16:45] yep this is definatley a godbyk job i am afraid [16:46] probably [16:46] can you make a similar list of the warnings from http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-de.log ? [16:47] sure [16:47] so we can compare the warnings if there are any on german build [16:47] I will do later as my sister is steeling my laptop [16:47] :p ok [16:48] brb in 10 min. ok ? [17:11] * c7p back [17:13] That was twenty-two minutes. [17:13] * flan can't trust you anymore. [17:14] :p [17:14] i was waiting 12 minutes for the ok [17:14] 12 mins is ok timeout haha [18:17] I will be back after dinner etc === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [21:17] * ubuntujenkins has got his laptop back at last [21:17] godbyk: ping [21:39] * ubuntujenkins still uses ctrl+s automatically even on etherpad [21:58] c7p: hello i made i back and have made the german list [21:58] ubuntujenkins: good job :D ty [21:58] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/elerrors [21:59] the sixth warning doesn't exist [22:00] we use different font so we are ok [22:00] the same thing happens with 3rd and 4th warning [22:00] the 4th is the same as the 6th, when did the font change? [22:01] from almost the beggining [22:01] because we had a problem with greek letters [22:02] some letters where highlighted while others not [22:02] why is it not the same in builds.ubuntu-manual.org ? we must still be using the old font somewhere i guess [22:02] no [22:02] check that we must still be using the old font somewhere i guess [22:02] but let me check it [22:03] sorry [22:03] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html#more-6253 [22:04] you can see the um-greek.clo file [22:04] the "Download now" is ponting this link http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/c/pubRD.mpl/?pc=w_ubun01 [22:04] that's all about fonts if my memory deserves me well [22:04] c7p: if you look at the um-greek.clo file mine says Linux Libertine [22:05] ubuntujenkins: i thought we were using serif :/ [22:06] daker: why is that so ? [22:06] daker: I cant download it [22:07] ubuntujenkins: I will search on my mails for more info about the fonts [22:07] thanks c7p [22:07] daker: are its ok its chromium [22:08] when you click one the link you are redirect to http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/ [22:08] why are people putting our manual behind spam walls! :/ [22:08] * ubuntujenkins gets anoyed [22:09] i suppose we should be pleased in a way [22:09] Because, to quote an unnamed source, the Intenret is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. [22:09] Our course of action is clear: build a better Internet. [22:09] Or re-engineer society. [22:10] Either way. [22:10] hmm but its not publisisng the team. and people can get it with out giving up so much info [22:10] * ubuntujenkins is tempted to ask by using http://www.ubuntugeek.com/contact [22:10] when you click "Request now" your are redirect to http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/free/w_ubun01/prgm.cgi [22:10] Curtly ask they they put a link to our site in the article's body. [22:10] Or politely. [22:10] I like being a jerk. [22:10] that they* [22:11] the same thing as the other site, the one found by humphreybc [22:11] Iwas just going to ask that they link to our site [22:11] you have to give so much information just to get it [22:12] daker, any quick design tips to make http://uguu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/qs-preview-2.png more aesthetically pleasing? [22:12] Information *and* time. [22:13] I'd give up before subscribing to some site I'll never visit again. [22:13] Hello, [22:13] It is great that you are promoting the manual, would you be able to put a link to our site so that people can find out more about our team? Our site is www.ubuntu-manual.org. [22:13] Thanks [22:13] Luke [22:13] is what i am going to send [22:13] any thoughts? [22:14] I would like to write stop using a spam wall! but i will not [22:14] I'd mention that it should be a prominent link. [22:14] The way they present it, it looks like they're saying they wrote it. [22:14] Which is what I accused that other site of doing. [22:14] In the message I wrote to them. [22:15] Because I'm a jerk. [22:15] (I made the accusation politely) [22:15] (But the subtext was clear) [22:17] ok now reads [22:17] It is great that you are promoting the manual, would you be able to put a predominate link to our site so that people can find out more about our team? That way they can get involved in helping us to write it [22:17] doh predominate! [22:18] done sent [22:18] will i get a response? [22:19] ubuntujenkins: I didn't find any mail from godbyk, but I find our talk on channel http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/12/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t19:18 [22:20] flan, i think bredcrumbs should be great for the navigation [22:20] What do you mean? [22:22] something like this http://blog.jaysalvat.com/_library/2009/10/breadcrumbs/breadcrumb0.png [22:22] all this talk of bread crumbs makes me hungry [22:23] \o/ [22:23] c7p: hmm the *.clo file has some comments in it. We will have to ask godbyk what his thinking was on that [22:23] * c7p omg I miss godbyk :D [22:24] give me more screenshots [22:25] of food? [22:28] c7p: is there anything else we can do? [22:29] ubuntujenkins: nope :D we are waiting for godbyk [22:29] I already have that, though. [22:30] topo fixed almost all the bugs if not all but still we need godbyk to approve the release of pdf [22:30] c7p: cool If we all ping him at once :P [22:30] The small text above the title links back to the parent. [22:30] for a moment I thought flan had thought of food [22:30] ubuntujenkins: hehe [22:30] well I'm having :p brb [22:31] I can go one better than giving you screenshots, daker. I can give you live access, if you're okay with resisting the urge to start rebuilding the whole thing. [22:31] (I'm making too many changes each night for a redesign to be practical at this time) [22:33] * ubuntujenkins has finaly worked out why facebook in pigin was not working [22:40] flan, i making some mockups for you [22:41] Don't go into too much detail. I've still got about half of the system to go. [22:41] (There are about eight more pages left to craft) [22:42] (I was mostly looking for tips on colours and fonts on that one) [22:42] I mean, I appreciate all the work you're willing to invest, but I don't want any of it to go to waste. [22:43] I'll be asking for a full review when it's functionally complete, in early July. [22:44] When you can freely change anything you'd like, without needing to worry about whether or not a feature is missing. [22:44] (I'm keeping the code as separate from the interface as possible) [22:46] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/server/annotate/head:/quickshot/quickshot/templates/root_project.mako ius the code behind that image. [22:48] ubuntujenkins: Is there anything else I can do today ? [22:49] c7p: not as far as I know, wish i could do more [22:49] so do I :/ [22:50] flan, kk [22:50] (The CSS file is currently a mess. I promise to organize and document everything before I turn it over to you) [22:51] night all :) [22:52] G'night, c7p. [22:52] night c7p