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[10:04] <lifeless> what time is the meeting ?
[10:06] <piju> 2200UTC
[10:06] <lifeless> dunno what meeting you're thinking of
[10:07] <lifeless> but thats out by ~10-12 hours
[10:09] <nigelb> lifeless: I think another hour to go.  I presume you mean asia board
[10:09] <vish> lifeless: probably in another hr
[10:09] <lifeless> yah
[10:09] <vish> ah , nigelb !
[10:09] <lifeless> the one I'm the board for :P I figure I should be here
[10:09] <nigelb> vish: too slow :p
[10:09] <nigelb> lifeless: heh
[11:00] <happyaron> meeting time?
[11:00] <lifeless> works for me
[11:01] <piju> hi
[11:02] <amachu> hello!
[11:02] <wzssyqa> hey
[11:04] <happyaron> persia: hi
[11:04] <persia> hey happyaron
[11:04] <freeflying> hi all
[11:04] <ejat> ello ..
[11:05] <happyaron> do we have enough board here?
[11:05]  * persia thinks we're short a secretary
[11:05] <happyaron> well, yup
[11:07] <happyaron> Eleanor: hey
[11:07] <Eleanor> happyaron: hey
[11:08] <amachu> persia: and quorum
[11:09] <persia> amachu: We're at least four, but I haven't seen traffic from lifeless, Vantrax, takdiir, or e-jat
[11:11] <ejat> persia: 0/
[11:12] <lifeless> persia: thats cause you're not idling :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> persia: you need to lurk harder
[11:12] <persia> Indeed :)  In that case, we're very quorate.
[11:12] <elky> Sorry I'm late, only just walked in.
[11:12] <elky> We have quorum?
[11:12] <persia> We have at least six present.
[11:12] <elky> Whee!
[11:13] <amachu> fenris or e-jat ?
[11:13] <amachu> we can begin now
[11:13] <amachu> i feel
[11:13] <hyperair> amachu: ejat's around.
[11:14] <elky> It's almost 15 past, so yes.
[11:14] <ejat> i cant register nick fenris in irc ..
[11:14] <ejat> so i use ejat
[11:14] <amachu> let's vantrax join later
[11:14] <amachu> persia: ?
[11:15] <ejat> piju quit?
[11:15] <amachu> lifeless: ejat: freeflying: raise your hands
[11:15] <lifeless> o/
[11:15] <amachu> vantrax: Hey..
[11:16] <happyaron> Vantrax: finally you are here, :D
[11:16] <Vantrax> hi
[11:16] <Vantrax> sorry, ran a little late getting home
[11:16] <Destine> Vantrax, hi
[11:16] <elky> Lets just start, those not loooking at the screen will later
[11:16] <Destine> elky, hi
[11:16] <ejat> o/
[11:16] <amachu> Vantrax: we are five positively, you can take over
[11:17] <Vantrax> if you insist
[11:17]  * persia counted seven
[11:17] <Vantrax> #startmeeting
[11:17] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:17. The chair is Vantrax.
[11:17] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:17] <lifeless> I'm tired. perhaps I count as 1/2.
[11:17]  * freeflying will leave a little bit early
[11:17] <ejat> lifeless: :)
[11:17]  * elky hugs lifeless
[11:17] <lifeless> OTOH theres lots of me, so perhaps I count as 2 :>
[11:17] <Vantrax> is nasirkhan around?
[11:18] <elky> lifeless, likewise here. 3 between us?
[11:18] <Vantrax> ok, no nasir
[11:18] <Vantrax> how about qzssyqa aka  Yun Qiang Su?
[11:18] <happyaron> wzssyqa: ^
[11:18] <wzssyqa> Vantrax:  i am here
[11:19] <Vantrax> ahh yeah, my bad
[11:19] <lifeless> elky: :>
[11:19] <Vantrax> [TOPIC] wzssyqa aka Yun Qiang Su Membership App
[11:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  wzssyqa aka Yun Qiang Su Membership App
[11:19] <wzssyqa> i am a Graduate in LiaoNing Technology university
[11:19] <wzssyqa> devote on translations and packages
[11:20] <wzssyqa> I have translated something to zh_CN,and packaged several debian packages
[11:20] <wzssyqa> over
[11:20] <Vantrax> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YunQiangSu
[11:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YunQiangSu
[11:21] <Vantrax> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~wzssyqa
[11:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~wzssyqa
[11:22] <persia> wzssyqa: One of your testimonials mentions activity in the forums.  Is this the ubuntu.cn forums, or forums.ubuntu.com?
[11:22] <wzssyqa> persia: forum.ubuntu.org.cn
[11:23] <persia> What's your username there?
[11:23] <wzssyqa> persia: as here,the speed of login in Ubuntu.com, is suck,so
[11:23] <wzssyqa> persia: wzssyqa
[11:24] <lifeless> wzssyqa: your wiki.ubuntu.com links - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/how%20to%20launch%20to%20IRC - go nowhere
[11:25] <wzssyqa> lifeless: oh.sorry,as the ftp of ubuntu.org.cn has damaged,i remove the link temp
[11:25] <freeflying> wzssyqa: yes, seems those link on your wiki page break
[11:25] <Vantrax> Destine: you here to cheer for wzssyqa/talk about his involvement in the china loco?
[11:26] <wzssyqa> freeflying: they were in ftp.ubuntu.org.cn,now, it damaged
[11:26] <freeflying> wzssyqa: ic
[11:27] <Destine> Vantrax, yup, have a loook.
[11:27] <wzssyqa> persia: now i will upload them somewhere
[11:27] <Vantrax> Destine, was curious about his loco involvement, you didnt talk about that and from memory you are active in the lovo
[11:27] <Vantrax> wzssyqa: how long have you been contributing to ubuntu?
[11:28] <wzssyqa> Vantrax: about one year
[11:28] <Destine> Vantrax, actually his main contribution is not in the field of loco but l10n.
[11:30] <wzssyqa> now , i am a reviewer of gnome zh_CN team
[11:31] <Vantrax> anyone have more questions?
[11:31] <amachu> Vantrax: nope
[11:31] <elky> Nope
[11:31] <ejat> wzssyqa: did u involve with any ubuntu-ch activity?
[11:31] <persia> ch?  cn?
[11:31] <happyaron> cn
[11:32] <Destine> cn
[11:32] <ejat> cn
[11:32] <ejat> sorry ..
[11:32] <wzssyqa> ejat: i am mainterting a lug on my uninversity
[11:32] <freeflying> wzssyqa: so you have lug in your school? did you get it added to chinalug?
[11:32] <wzssyqa> ejat: as here is where that linux is not very family to people
[11:33] <wzssyqa> ejat: there is some difficult ,but i will go on
[11:33] <ejat> familiar?
[11:33] <Destine> ejat, yes.
[11:34] <Vantrax> anymore questions?
[11:34] <wzssyqa> persia: i have upload my documents to http://people.ubuntu.com/~happyaron/wzssyqa/
[11:34]  * happyaron it's in my people.ubuntu.com space, I sponsored him
[11:35]  * persia may not be the only interested party
[11:35] <happyaron> wzssyqa is now doing awesome job on GNOME zh_CN team as a translator as well as reviewer
[11:36]  * Destine really good work.
[11:36] <Vantrax> thanks for the input happyaron, Destine
[11:36] <happyaron> :)
[11:36] <Vantrax> okies lets get to it
[11:36] <Vantrax> [VOTE] wzssyqa for ubuntu membership
[11:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  wzssyqa for ubuntu membership.
[11:36] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[11:37] <Vantrax> +1
[11:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:37] <happyaron> well, some more input, he is actively participating in our LoCo forum
[11:37] <lifeless> +0
[11:37] <MootBot> Abstention received from lifeless. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:37] <happyaron> and mostly help on partitioning and ubuntu+1 discussions.
[11:38] <lifeless> about half the bugs linked weren't followed up on so got closed because of that
[11:38] <lifeless> I'm happy to see the translations and loco stuff
[11:38] <happyaron> lifeless: you may check on l10n.gnome.org to see his contributions on translations
[11:39] <persia> +1 : Good testimonials, nice documentation, long history (2+ years), wiki page could use more useful links to stuff though.
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:39] <freeflying> +1
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from freeflying. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:39] <elky> +1
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:39] <amachu> +1 from me too
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from amachu. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[11:39] <ejat> +1
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from ejat. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[11:39] <piju> +1
[11:39] <MootBot> +1 received from piju. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7
[11:39] <elky> piju, are you on the board?
[11:39] <Vantrax> [ENDVOTE]
[11:39] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 7
[11:39] <lifeless> happyaron: upstream contributions are important too, but we don't generally count them towards Ubuntu membership ... otherwise all of GNOME and KDE would be members :>
[11:39] <piju> elky, yes
[11:40] <Vantrax> piju, not this one:P
[11:40] <piju> yes. me
[11:40] <Vantrax> name piju?
[11:40] <happyaron> lifeless: well, translations on Launchpad for upstream strings are not encouraged
[11:40] <persia> piju: You're on the agenda to become an Ubuntu membet, but you're not yet a member o the Board.
[11:40] <amachu> i would second what lifeless say, still testimonials and other factors lead to my +1
[11:40] <Vantrax> happyaron: we do take note of them, but they dont hold heavy weight.
[11:41] <happyaron> Vantrax: :)
[11:41] <piju> my name is mohamad faizul zulkifli
[11:41] <lifeless> happyaron: we can discuss that after the applicants, if you wish.
[11:41] <wzssyqa> lifeless: ok,why not all of upstream as ubuntu member? if have enough controibt ,and they wish?
[11:41] <Vantrax> Still , your vote is successful wzssyqa welcome.
[11:42] <elky> piju, being a prospective member of ubuntu doesn't give you Regional Membership Board voting privileges. That's a different group from plain members.
[11:42] <Vantrax> wzssyqa: its a recognition of both contribution and community involvement
[11:42] <happyaron> wzssyqa: anyway, congrats!
[11:42] <lifeless> wzssyqa: if they contribute to Ubuntu, we're delighted to have them; but contributing to a different project is, well, contributing to a different project: its good for free software, its not particularly relevant to Ubuntu membership.
[11:42] <piju> ok guys
[11:42] <freeflying> happyaron: wzssyqa lets talk about that off meeting
[11:42] <piju> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/piju
[11:42] <persia> wzssyqa: I believe it is because the benefits of membership are designed to be most applicable to those directly contributing to Ubuntu, rather than to a separate project (which tends to have similar benefits available through similar processes)
[11:42] <piju> http://9w2pju.blogspot.com
[11:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://9w2pju.blogspot.com
[11:43] <piju> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHamsNets
[11:43] <piju> http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/search/label/ubuntu
[11:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/search/label/ubuntu
[11:43] <Vantrax> [TOPIC] Piju ubuntu membership application
[11:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Piju ubuntu membership application
[11:44] <piju> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHamsMembers
[11:44] <piju> ok
[11:44] <piju> my name is mohamad faizul zulkifli
[11:44] <piju> and im from malaysia
[11:44] <piju> currently working as gov servant
[11:44] <piju> also a ham radio
[11:44] <piju> and one of ubuntu-hams member
[11:44] <piju> i wrote a lot about using ubuntu as a perfect shack for ham radio operator
[11:45] <piju> reporting bugs for ubuntu-hams-devel
[11:45] <piju> running echolink ubuntu-hams net
[11:45] <piju> do you guys know what is ham radio ?
[11:45] <lifeless> yes
[11:45] <piju> also involve with ubuntu-my
[11:45] <piju> more pictures on my facebook
[11:46] <piju> and also at http://9w2pju.blogspot.com
[11:46] <piju> discussion ubuntu for ham radio with sconklin everyday
[11:46] <piju> also participating on translating for ubuntu-my and ubuntu manual
[11:46] <piju> blogging about ubuntu since 2007
[11:47] <Vantrax> nice choices for testimonials
[11:47] <piju> http://piju.fakap.net
[11:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://piju.fakap.net
[11:47] <freeflying> piju: how do you help new comers with your ham?
[11:47] <freeflying> :)
[11:47] <piju> freeflying, nice questions
[11:47] <Vantrax> no one from the my loco tho, i can see you attend loco events
[11:47] <ejat> Vantrax: yes .. piju always support ubuntu-my loco events
[11:47] <piju> freeflying, first, i will tell them about ubuntu and then what ubuntu offers for ham radio
[11:47] <ejat> u can see his pict
[11:47] <piju> including their packages
[11:48] <piju> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs574.snc3/31306_397319043669_761633669_3823741_7316607_n.jpghttp://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/06/malaysian-ubuntu-hams-at-lucid-party.html
[11:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs574.snc3/31306_397319043669_761633669_3823741_7316607_n.jpghttp://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/06/malaysian-ubuntu-hams-at-lucid-party.html
[11:48] <piju> sorry
[11:48] <piju> http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/06/malaysian-ubuntu-hams-at-lucid-party.html
[11:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/06/malaysian-ubuntu-hams-at-lucid-party.html
[11:48] <piju> i wrote how to use ubuntu for ham radio operator
[11:48] <piju> on my blog
[11:48] <piju> and i receive lots of email
[11:48] <piju> asking me what is ubuntu all about
[11:49] <freeflying> piju: cool
[11:49] <piju> ok
[11:49] <piju> what i am saying here is
[11:49] <piju> there is so little young ppl who are interested in ham radio
[11:49] <elky> The internet is so much shinier.
[11:50] <ejat> piju also always helping answering question in #ubuntu-my
[11:50] <piju> if you can see, lots of ham radio opensource developer in #hamradio who are using ubuntu
[11:50] <Vantrax> I do hear its popular in in malaysia
[11:50] <piju> but they dont even know about #ubuntu-hams
[11:50] <ejat> Vantrax: yes it is ..
[11:50] <piju> you know what, ppl said im old school
[11:50] <piju> because using ham radio to contact my friends
[11:50] <piju> in year 2010
[11:50] <piju> "ham radio always work"
[11:51] <piju> and ubuntu always be the best ham radio friends
[11:51] <Vantrax> anyone here to cheer on piju or give a testimonal in person?
[11:51] <ejat> Vantrax: o/
[11:51] <piju> wait
[11:51] <piju> check out http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubuntu-hams-t-shirt-artwork-from-9w2pju.html
[11:51] <Vantrax> anything particular you wanted to say ejat?
[11:51] <Vantrax> I saw that piju, very cool
[11:52] <piju> kamal who work at canonical sent me a ubuntu-hams round badge
[11:52] <ejat> as i said before .. piju always supporting ubuntu-my loco activity since 2007
[11:52] <lifeless> I find joey's comment interesting
[11:52] <piju> ubuntu-hams is going hotter than before http://9w2pju.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubuntu-hams-session-notes-on-ubuntu.html
[11:52] <piju> you know what, the first time i joined #ubuntu-hams, there is only 5,6 ppl
[11:52] <ejat> lifeless: yeah .. blog posting n etc ..
[11:53] <Vantrax> me too lifeless
[11:53] <lifeless> postive and supporting, but also encouraging you to get involved in more of the actual direct support/creation/community around Ubuntu itself
[11:53] <piju> im now thinking to make a class/unformal talk to ham radio
[11:53] <piju> about ubuntu
[11:53] <piju> what ubuntu offers in emergency communications
[11:53] <lifeless> I'm willing to +1 here piju, as I like what you're doing, but I'd like to see more bridging of the two
[11:53] <Vantrax> I would agree with joey, id like to see some more of your work make it to the wiki's and not just on your blog
[11:54] <piju> id like to see my blog on planet.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <Vantrax> Your doing good work tho, and i like the tack you are taking to combine your interests to spread ubuntu
[11:54] <piju> why not ?
[11:54] <piju> i can send morse code using ubuntu
[11:54] <piju> communicate with ISS ?
[11:54] <piju> have you all tried ?
[11:54] <Vantrax> ISS?
[11:55] <freeflying> piju: but you'd have more audience firstly :)
[11:55] <Vantrax> oh the space station:P
[11:55] <Vantrax> no... do they talk back?
[11:55] <piju> do you know what is ISS ?
[11:55] <piju> ham radio can talk to the crews
[11:55] <piju> and also transmit a packet data for APRS
[11:55] <Vantrax> that is very cool, spreading ubuntu in space eh
[11:55] <piju> there is aprsd and xastir packages for ubuntu
[11:55] <piju> just apt-cache search ham radio
[11:56] <Vantrax> anyone have more questions for piju?
[11:56] <ejat> agree ... piju but hopefully we can see your contribution to hams radio and to ubuntu in general :)
[11:56] <piju> ok next question please
[11:56] <piju> ejat, just wait.
[11:56] <ejat> piju: ok .. ill kept your word :)
[11:56] <Vantrax> If you promise to get your blog on ubuntu and start putting some of your guides into the wiki its a +1 from me too
[11:57] <piju> ubuntu for morse code, building antennas, packet data, APRS, etc
[11:57] <piju> ok
[11:57] <Vantrax> It would be great to see a how to ubuntu ham etc on the wiki
[11:57] <piju> just get your ham license
[11:57] <piju> and ill see you on the air
[11:57] <piju> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHamsNets
[11:58] <piju> echolink is voip for ham radio
[11:58] <piju> BPSK31 is packet data
[11:58] <piju> just type and transmit
[11:58] <Vantrax> any last questions?
[11:58] <piju> gmfsk, fldigi can do this
[11:58] <piju> any questions ?
[11:58] <Vantrax> okies, running out of time so...
[11:58] <Vantrax> [VOTE] Piju for Ubuntu Membership
[11:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Piju for Ubuntu Membership.
[11:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:59] <Vantrax> +1
[11:59] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:59] <lifeless> +1
[11:59] <MootBot> +1 received from lifeless. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:59] <freeflying> =1
[11:59] <elky> +1
[11:59] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:59] <ejat> +1
[11:59] <MootBot> +1 received from ejat. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[12:00] <elky> freeflying, you need to do that again, it doesn't count =
[12:00] <amachu> +1 from, with a comment that the wiki needs more info as felt by others
[12:00] <MootBot> +1 received from amachu. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[12:00] <Vantrax> and ejat's doesnt... afaik
[12:00] <persia> +0 : Considerable work in a desreving area, but the UbuntuHams wiki space could use a lot more of this content
[12:00] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[12:01] <Vantrax> [ENDVOTE]
[12:01] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[12:01] <Vantrax> we are out of time:P congrats piju, welcome
[12:01] <piju> thanks Vantrax
[12:01] <ejat> congrate piju
[12:01] <wzssyqa> thanks you all
[12:01] <piju> see you all on the air soon
[12:01] <piju> get your ham radio license now!
[12:02] <Vantrax> lol
[12:02] <Vantrax> if only I had time
[12:02] <piju> send me your ubuntu screenshot using SSTV
[12:02] <piju> ignore internet for a while
[12:02] <piju> use the airwaves, and ionosphere!
[12:02] <Vantrax> wzssyqa and piju you are added to ubuntu memebers, you can request your forum tag and cloak if you want em
[12:02] <Vantrax> piju: you should be able to get started on getting your blog synched
[12:03] <Vantrax> your ubuntu emails should be live in under 24hrs based on your ~name@ubuntu from launchpad
[12:03] <Vantrax> #endmeeting
[12:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:03.
[12:04] <Vantrax> thanks for coming guys
[12:04] <nigelb> and persia does disappearing act again
[12:04] <Vantrax> hes good at that:P
[12:05] <piju> meeting finished ?
[12:05] <piju> ok.time to on my radio.
[12:05] <piju> bye
[12:24] <wzssyqa> lifeless: hellp
[12:25] <wzssyqa> lifeless: hello,i want to know,what should i do ,to be enough as an Ubuntu member?
[12:26] <nigelb> wzssyqa: could you be more clear?
[12:26] <ajmitch> wzssyqa: looks like you've been added to the LP team
[12:27] <wzssyqa> nigelb: ajmitch i feel that what i do is not enough for ubuntu, i just want to know which work to do
[12:27] <elky> wzssyqa, i think this discussion should move to #ubuntu-irc
[12:28] <wzssyqa> elky: o ,sorry
[12:28] <elky> Just so meeting logs aren't all mixed up with general discussion
[12:29] <nigelb> elky: appologies.
[12:32] <elky> wzssyqa, are you going to "/join #ubuntu-irc"?
[12:32] <wzssyqa> elky: ok
[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100622#preview
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[13:01] <NCommander> davidm: ogra, dyfet ping?
[13:02] <ogra> ??
[13:03]  * ogra wonders if NCommander reads his gcal from time to time 
[13:03] <NCommander>  oh crap
[13:03] <ogra> :)
[13:03] <NCommander> I'm an hour early
[13:03] <ogra> morning :)
[13:03] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[13:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 07:03.
[13:03]  * NCommander goes back to sleep
[13:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:59. The chair is NCommander.
[13:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100622#preview
[13:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100622#preview
[14:00] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ogra dyfet davidm ping?
[14:00] <GrueMaster> yep
[14:00] <cooloney> NCommander: i am here
[14:00] <davidm> NCommander, G'day
[14:00] <ogra> moop
[14:00] <NCommander> hey cooloney.
[14:00] <mpoirier> NCommander: me too.
[14:00] <mpoirier> full house this morning.
[14:01]  * NCommander gives ogra coffee to turn that moop into something else
[14:01] <NCommander> indeed
[14:01] <NCommander> lets get right into it
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] davidm to ship mpoirier a beagle C4
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  davidm to ship mpoirier a beagle C4
[14:01] <mpoirier> got the beagle board but USB port seems dead.
[14:02] <mpoirier> ordered another one from Sparkfun.
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] davidm to ship mpoirier a XM board
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  davidm to ship mpoirier a XM board
[14:02] <mpoirier> got the XM board.
[14:02] <NCommander> excellent
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to talk to persia about IRC channels
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to talk to persia about IRC channels
[14:03]  * NCommander suspects this is a c/o. ENOPERSIA
[14:03] <ogra> right
[14:03] <ogra> no idea why he's not around
[14:03] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[14:03] <NCommander> ogra: his internet connection is down; as is his IRC proxies
[14:03]  * NCommander talked to him yesterday
[14:03] <ogra> ah, great
[14:03] <NCommander> er, maybe not his internet, but something got mangled
[14:04] <persia> my servers
[14:04] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:04] <NCommander> persia: ah, where did you come from?
[14:04]  * NCommander didn't see you join
[14:04] <ogra> NCommander, can you also add the WI chgart for the next milestone to the agenda ?
[14:04] <davidm> I spoke with persia last night, he is home working
[14:04] <NCommander> ogra: NP
[14:04] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-2.html
[14:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-2.html
[14:05] <ogra> (for today, next week its A3)
[14:05] <NCommander> we're looking good on both charts overall
[14:05] <ogra> well, we could look better :)
[14:05] <ogra> hacking around in jasper for days stole a lot of my time
[14:05] <NCommander> ogra: its not the usual "OMG, ONE WEEK TO RELEASE AND ITS ALL RED"
[14:06] <ogra> but its fixed now
[14:06] <persia> I don't actually expect to finish the jasper review by Thursday.
[14:06] <persia> Probably next week: should that be retargeted?
[14:06] <ogra> persia, then postpone your item
[14:06] <persia> OK
[14:06] <ogra> i'll do the same for the docs part
[14:06] <NCommander> anything else to be brought up?
[14:06] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)
[14:06] <NCommander> er
[14:06]  * NCommander didn't mean to press enter
[14:07] <mpoirier> submitted temporary fix for b594382 - daisy chain.
[14:07] <NCommander> yay!
[14:07] <ogra> \o/
[14:07] <ogra> so we should have booting omap3 again :)
[14:07] <mpoirier> b591941 - SD card is on hold until previous is resolved.
[14:08] <ogra> could you also take a look at the XM issue ?
[14:08] <mpoirier> yes, after these two bugs are resolved.
[14:08] <ogra> bug 589624
[14:08] <ogra> (if you type out the word "bug" you get a nice bot response btw ;) )
[14:09] <ogra> how is the status on omap4 ?
[14:09] <ogra> i saw an upload
[14:09] <ogra> but no metapackage or anything yet
[14:10] <mpoirier> lag is working on omap4 - should have touched base with him.
[14:10] <mpoirier> will do for the next meeting.
[14:10] <lag> I am not working on OMAP4
[14:10] <ogra> well, we would need a kernel (including metapackage) by thursday
[14:10] <lag> I have a board
[14:10] <lag> And a bootable kernel
[14:10] <lag> But I have not been actively working on it
[14:10]  * cooloney lol 
[14:11] <ogra> alpha release is coming and we are committed to release our first images by then
[14:11] <davidm> Who is working on OMAP4?
[14:11] <cooloney> ogra: rtg is working on the metapackage for ti-omap4 branch
[14:11] <ogra> cooloney, great
[14:11] <cooloney> davidm: i am working on it, but don't have board
[14:11] <ogra> cooloney, has the kernel in the archive been tested
[14:11] <NCommander> is the kernel in the archive Panda safe?
[14:12] <lag> I am doing cooloney's testing
[14:12] <cooloney> ogra: i think only sebjan from TI and lag test that
[14:12] <cooloney> lag: thanks for the testing
[14:12] <lag> His board by proxy
[14:12] <ogra> great
[14:12] <cooloney> and ti-omap4 branch was merged into our maverick kernel now
[14:12] <ogra> i think u-boot needs an update, the current omap4 version only boots blaze atm
[14:12] <cooloney> it is based on TI 2.6.34 omap4 release
[14:12] <ogra> yeah
[14:13] <ogra> will switch to .35 before kernel freeze
[14:13] <cooloney> and TI will provide the .35 based omap4 branch at the mid of Aug
[14:13] <ogra> right
[14:13] <cooloney> sebjan told us that
[14:13] <cooloney> and for lucid fsl-imx51
[14:13] <ogra> NCommander, btw, was ndec officially invited to the meeting now ?
[14:14] <ogra> lucid fsl ?
[14:14] <cooloney> kernel was in the -proposed, and pitti asked for testing
[14:14] <ogra> what do you update there ?
[14:14] <NCommander> ogra: he was
[14:14] <ogra> ok
[14:14] <cooloney> GrueMaster: could you help on that?
[14:14] <ogra> cooloney, yeah, thats for GrueMaster
[14:14] <cooloney> bug #559065
[14:14] <ogra> but i guess it will be covered in QA anyway
[14:14] <ogra> once that topic is up :)
[14:14] <GrueMaster> I didn't see any updates or emails, but will test asap.
[14:15] <NCommander> can I move on?
[14:15]  * ogra saw a lot bug status changes last week
[14:15] <ogra> move !
[14:15] <cooloney> GrueMaster: yeah, i will email you soon
[14:15] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:15] <cooloney> yeah, i am done
[14:15] <GrueMaster> Not much to report here.  I've ripped apart the hand made image ogra sent me last week as many ways as I possibly can.
[14:16] <ogra> i'll have a new one later today for you :)
[14:16] <ogra> finally with most bits working
[14:16] <GrueMaster> I'm currently trying to hand-build my own images so I can get familiar with the tools and build process.
[14:16] <GrueMaster> ok
[14:18] <GrueMaster> All the bugs I was going to cover have been touched on, so, next.
[14:19] <ogra> NCommander, ?
[14:19] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:19] <NCommander> I smashed kdebase-workspace over the weekend to fix a large chunk of KDE FTBFS
[14:20] <ogra> there is a lot of new stuff
[14:20] <ogra> evo ...
[14:20] <ogra> libbonoboui
[14:20] <ogra> xscreensaver !
[14:21] <NCommander> ogra: partial fallout from gobjection-inspector and a few others being broken :-/
[14:21] <ogra> few other things ?
[14:21] <davidm> dyfet, status on gobject-introspection?
[14:22] <ogra> libgtkhtml-editor-dev: Depends: libgtkhtml-editor0
[14:22] <NCommander> ogra: thought I saw s afe wlibraries in the list, but I'm kinda half awake ATM
[14:22] <ogra> ^^^ evo
[14:23] <NCommander> dyfet: ping?
[14:23] <ogra> bonobo looks like a give-back
[14:23]  * ogra tries that
[14:23] <GrueMaster> You should post the link to the ftbs sheet.
[14:23] <NCommander> I'll be looking at nursing the FTBFS list this week since basics for preinstalled images are done, and we need to have a happier archive for A2
[14:23] <dyfet> Back
[14:23] <davidm> dyfet, will be here in a moment
[14:24] <ogra> ubuntu-artwork: Depends: light-themes <-- xscreensaver
[14:24] <dyfet> I am still working on gobject-inspection
[14:24] <ogra> we'll start building images tomorrow
[14:24] <davidm> dyfet, do you understand what is going wrong?
[14:25] <dyfet> I originally thought it was bison, because the source parser was producing invalid results
[14:25] <ogra> did you talk to seb128 or didrocks ?
[14:25] <dyfet> I think now it is something specific to gobject-inspection and gcc
[14:26] <dyfet> and not the dependencies
[14:26] <NCommander> dyfet: have you tried building with different GCC flags or other GCC versions?
[14:26] <dyfet> Thats what I was starting on this morning
[14:27] <dyfet> I noticed we have gcc-4.5 in Maverick, too...
[14:27] <ogra> i dont think we default to it though
[14:28] <dyfet> ogra: no we do not
[14:28] <persia> We don't
[14:28] <ogra> right
[14:28] <NCommander> so anything else to bring up or can I move on?
[14:29] <ogra> well, we need to get that fixed
[14:29] <ogra> and a bunch of other FTBFS stuff too
[14:29]  * ogra just gave back evo 
[14:30] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:30] <ogra> well
[14:30] <ogra> i'm behind on the publishing scripts review
[14:31] <ogra> will finish that today
[14:31] <ogra> jasper kheld me up a lot
[14:31] <ogra> or rather vfat did
[14:31] <NCommander> _\o/_
[14:31] <ogra> but i just solved that bit before the meeting
[14:31] <NCommander> ogra: so resizing works now?
[14:31] <ogra> jasper MIR is still not done (i hope we manage that in time)
[14:31] <ogra> resizing works fine on two SD cards i tried it on
[14:32] <ogra> the partition table is clean before and after and the vfat stays bootable
[14:32] <NCommander> ogra: maybe you should delgate the MIR to someone else
[14:32] <ogra> i'm just doing a full image test before spinning a new one for GrueMaster to test
[14:32] <ogra> NCommander, i'll ask asac once the code is ready
[14:33] <ogra> i dont want to push for a MIR review for half finished code
[14:33] <NCommander> ogra: probably worth to MIR now so we don't get ourselves in trouble down the road. YMMV
[14:33] <asac> ++
[14:33] <ogra> its MIRed since two weeks
[14:33] <ogra> but i didnt subscribe the MIR team to it yet
[14:33] <ogra> since i want the code done first
[14:33] <ogra> the vfat issues held me up for about four days
[14:34] <ogra> which is very unfortunate
[14:34] <NCommander> :-/
[14:34] <ogra> so given jasper gets in, the RT is processed for BuildLiveCD and i got the publishing scripts merged, we're ready to roll
[14:35] <ogra> (modulo unknown bugs ... we never tested all bits together yet :) )
[14:35] <NCommander> _\o/_ \o_ _o/ \o/!
[14:35] <NCommander> ogra: well, we didn't break normal dailies with the d-cd merge. That's a good first sign
[14:35] <ogra> i hope what comes out at the rear end will actually be what we expect :)
[14:36] <NCommander> ogra: a pile of expections?
[14:36]  * NCommander runs
[14:36] <NCommander> anyway
[14:36] <ogra> expections or exceptions ? :)
[14:36] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:36]  * ogra likes to do exceptional work *g*
[14:37] <NCommander> heh
[14:37]  * NCommander thinks davidm had somethng he wanted to brin gup
[14:38] <davidm> NCommander, nope I was interesting in FTBFS
[14:38] <NCommander> ok
[14:38] <NCommander> closing meeting in
[14:38] <NCommander> 3
[14:38] <NCommander> 2
[14:38] <NCommander> 1
[14:38] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:38.
[14:38] <NCommander> woo
[15:23] <jester-> hi
[16:02] <soren> Um..
[16:02] <soren> D
[16:02] <soren> DMB meeting, anyone?
[16:02]  * micahg is here :)
[16:03] <persia> soren: Sounds good.
[16:03]  * barry is lurking
[16:03]  * mtaylor is also lurking
[16:03]  * cnd o/
[16:05]  * geser waves
[16:06]  * menesis waiting
[16:06]  * tumbleweed is kind of hoping the meeting will happen - third time lucky? :)
[16:07] <geser> tumbleweed: one DMB member missing to reach quorum
[16:08] <dholbach> soren: you could try pinging cody-somerville, cjwatson and stgraber :)
[16:08] <geser> dholbach: cjwatson and stgraber said that they are absent
[16:08] <dholbach> ah, I'll better shut up then :)
[16:08] <geser> waiting on nixternal or cody-somerville
[16:09] <persia> Two of those people already sent apologies though, which reduces the chances of that working perfectly :)
[16:09]  * cody-somerville is on the phone unfortunately. :(
[16:09] <cjwatson> I can possibly manage it, this is one hour later than I'd thought
[16:09] <micahg> the Fridge is off 1 hr for the summer :)
[16:10] <cjwatson> I won't be enormously active but can be present
[16:10] <nixternal> hola
[16:11] <geser> soren: will you chair?
[16:11] <cjwatson> oh good, I'd prefer if I could sit out for today, since nixternal's here
[16:11] <nixternal> don't know how long I can stay around...i am on battery on my netbook and my power cord is nowhere to be found right now
[16:12] <geser> nixternal: how long will your battery last?
[16:12] <soren> geser: I'd rather not. I'm expecting a phone call :(
[16:13] <nixternal> probably an hour...waiting for a new computer, as I am stuck with a netbook for the past week...my puters didn't make it through a microburst/tornado, except for my netbook, only because it was on me the night of the storm and i wasn't around :)
[16:14] <nixternal> if my battery dies I can switch over to my droid if need be
[16:14] <geser> cjwatson: did Rodrigo Moya did contact you about his tomboy PPU upload rights?
[16:14] <cjwatson> I have no unprocessed mail from him
[16:15] <cjwatson> was this an action from a previous meeting?
[16:15] <cjwatson> can somebody who's not me please chair and start the meeting
[16:15] <geser> this came up today in #ubuntu-desktop
[16:15] <cjwatson> is he supposed to have tomboy upload rights?
[16:16] <cjwatson> I'd appreciate a reference to meeting minutes if so
[16:16] <geser> cjwatson: will dig it up, we didn't properly finish his deferred votes
[16:16] <geser> #startmeeting
[16:16] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:16. The chair is geser.
[16:16] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:17] <geser> [TOPIC] Review of previous action items
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous action items
[16:17] <geser> * cjwatson to create ubuntu-kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to Ubuntu kernel packages
[16:17] <cjwatson> not done, sorry
[16:17] <geser> ok, will leave it on the agenda then
[16:17] <geser> * Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:18] <geser> seems to not happened either, don't remember an email about it
[16:18]  * micahg has another item that should have been on there (Create Mozilla Package Set)
[16:19] <geser> cjwatson: ^^ this is also still pending?
[16:20] <cjwatson> >>> mozilla = lp.packagesets.new(name='mozilla', distroseries=maverick, description='Packages related to Mozilla', owner=techboard)
[16:21] <cjwatson> does anyone have a reference to the meeting in which the mozilla set was approved?
[16:21] <cjwatson> ah, 2010-05-25
[16:21] <geser> cjwatson: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/25/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:16
[16:22] <micahg> should I change the owner of the Mozilla uploader team to the DMB now?
[16:22] <geser> persia: do you have time to write the minutes for that DMB meeting?
[16:22] <persia> Oops.  Yeah.  I'll publish them in 10-12 hours.
[16:23] <geser> thanks
[16:23] <cjwatson> hm, that should be DMB not TB I think
[16:23] <geser> we voted on "Creation of a Mozilla Package set with a set of developers to be administered by the DMB"
[16:24] <geser> has somebody else any other pending action items?
[16:24] <cjwatson> we did not vote to actually add any developers to that set
[16:24] <persia> Right.  The set of developers who can upload to the mozilla packageset is currently null.
[16:26] <geser> didn't the proposal for that package set mentioned to "initialize" it with ~ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders?
[16:27] <cjwatson> the meeting explicitly separated micahg's developer status from the set, but not the other uploaders
[16:27]  * micahg just removed himself from the team and set DMB as owner
[16:27] <geser> do we want to vote on this?
[16:27] <persia> Let's, quickly.
[16:29] <geser> [VOTE] Add Alexander Sack (asac), Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson) and Fabien Tassin (fta) as uploaders to the Mozilla Package set
[16:29] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Add Alexander Sack (asac), Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson) and Fabien Tassin (fta) as uploaders to the Mozilla Package set.
[16:29] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[16:29] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[16:29] <geser> +1
[16:29] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:29] <cjwatson> +1
[16:29] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:29] <persia> +1
[16:29] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:29] <soren> +1
[16:29] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:30] <geser> nixternal?
[16:30] <nixternal> +1
[16:30] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:30] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[16:30] <nixternal> sorry, was looking for my power cord :)
[16:30] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[16:32] <cjwatson> implemented
[16:32] <persia> Just for confirmation, can we implement that using ~ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders, for ease of administration?
[16:32] <cjwatson> argh
[16:32] <cjwatson> ok
[16:32] <cjwatson> done (modulo response time)
[16:33] <persia> cjwatson: Sorry to make more work for you: the idea is to reduce your workload in the future :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> yeah
[16:33] <geser> next topic?
[16:33] <cjwatson> please
[16:33] <geser> [TOPIC] Administrative Matters
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Administrative Matters
[16:33] <geser> * Meeting Structure
[16:34] <geser> * Voting Procedures
[16:34] <geser> I remember we voted on parts of it in the last meeting
[16:34] <geser> and wanted to continue this per mail
[16:34] <persia> Let's ignore those until I belatedly summarise the current state of affairs, and we have some list discussion.
[16:34] <geser> ok
[16:35] <geser> then applications next
[16:35] <geser> who knows which application is first?
[16:35] <nixternal> core-dev?
[16:37] <persia> tumbleweed is the oldest outstanding, if I'm reading ?action=info correctly
[16:38] <geser> As Robert Ancell (core-dev application) is not here (see also his mail on devel-permissions) I assume we can do that one
[16:39] <geser> [TOPIC] MOTU application: Stefano Rivera
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU application: Stefano Rivera
[16:39]  * tumbleweed waves
[16:39] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StefanoRivera/MOTUApplication
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StefanoRivera/MOTUApplication
[16:42] <geser> nobody has any questions? that's unusual
[16:42] <highvoltage> ooh, I'm just in time!
[16:42] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: oh, thanks
[16:42] <highvoltage> I just want to say that tumbleweed is awesome and he's way too modest!
[16:43] <tumbleweed> lol
[16:43] <nixternal> tumbleweed: you say that you have begun work on improving upstream patches. what work have you begun and is it helping (yet?)?
[16:44] <highvoltage> I reviewed some of tumbleweed's pacakges in REVU too and he was really quick with fixing minor issues, but he ended up getting it in Debian really well so we didn't upload those specific packages (use it / don't use it)
[16:44] <tumbleweed> nixternal: I've come across a handful of packages where Ubuntu has diverged quite a bit from debian. I forward those up to debian or upstream
[16:44] <tumbleweed> nixternal: so far, fpm maintainer accepted all the ubuntu patches (with modifications)
[16:44] <tumbleweed> and quite a few others are in debian bugs now. Can't remember many more details there
[16:45] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030936.html might be good if you want a challenge!
[16:46] <nixternal> tumbleweed: groovy...sounds like a good start
[16:46] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: yeah, I've seen one or two of those and run screaming
[16:48] <nixternal> yeah, just looking at that list makes me cringe a bit
[16:48]  * micahg already claimed 3 :)
[16:48] <geser> any other questions? persia? soren?
[16:49]  * persia doesn't have any
[16:49] <nixternal> seeing as I can't really build packages on my netbook without jumping out of a window, I am down right now. looks like my new puter will be here tomorrow so I can start dev'ing again...I have been itching...try building some c++ or java code on a netbook...so not fun!
[16:50] <soren> geser: nope
[16:50] <geser> [VOTE] Should Stefano Rivera become MOTU?
[16:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should Stefano Rivera become MOTU?.
[16:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[16:50] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[16:50] <geser> +1
[16:50] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:50] <nixternal> +1
[16:50] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:51] <cjwatson> +1
[16:51] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:51] <soren> +1
[16:51] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:52] <persia> +1
[16:52] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:52] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[16:52] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[16:52] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: congrats and welcome to MOTU!
[16:52] <tumbleweed> thanks everyone :)
[16:52] <geser> tumbleweed: congrats
[16:53] <nixternal> tumbleweed: congrats and welcome!
[16:54] <geser> who is next? (I remember we changed the order but not to what order)
[16:55] <nixternal> core-dev, motu, ppu, contribs?
[16:55] <persia> I don't think we decided the order.  barry is next by age, BlackZ is next by category
[16:55] <barry> persia: ouch.  hopefully that means by age of page edit :)
[16:55] <persia> barry: Yes
[16:56] <geser> [TOPIC] PPU application: Barry Warsaw
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Barry Warsaw
[16:56] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[16:56] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[16:59]  * persia remains uncomfortable approving PPU applications with no changelog entries
[16:59]  * soren has a hard stop coming up :(
[16:59] <geser> barry: I see that you have only some sponsored uploads for the packages you apply for. Did someone else upload the others for you?
[17:00] <barry> geser: mostly mvo
[17:00] <cjwatson> I don't mind approving PPU applications for which there've been uploads in the same general category (as appears to be the case here).
[17:00] <nixternal> ditto
[17:01] <mvo> (just for the record I'm here if there are any questions)
[17:03] <geser> any questions?
[17:03] <nixternal> none here
[17:03] <cjwatson> nope
[17:03]  * soren has to run
[17:04] <geser> [VOTE] Grant Barry Warsaw upload rights for computer-janitor, python-lazr.restful, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-argparse, python-virtualenv, python-flufl.enum, python-flufl.i18n
[17:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Grant Barry Warsaw upload rights for computer-janitor, python-lazr.restful, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-argparse, python-virtualenv, python-flufl.enum, python-flufl.i18n.
[17:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:05] <cjwatson> +1
[17:05] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:05] <nixternal> +1
[17:05] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:05] <geser> +1
[17:05] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:05] <persia> +0 : The work is good, but I'd like to see at least one sponsored upload for each package for a PPU application.
[17:05] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:06] <geser> I've got a +1 from soren for barry
[17:06] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[17:06] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[17:06] <persia> barry: Congratulations
[17:06] <nixternal> barry: congrats and welcome!
[17:06] <mvo> congrats barry
[17:06] <barry> awesome, thanks!  persia: nod
[17:07] <geser> as we don't have any order anymore: who is here and wants next?
[17:07]  * oubiwann high-fives barry 
[17:07]  * micahg is here :)
[17:07] <BlackZ> \o
[17:07] <cnd> o/
[17:07]  * mtaylor is here
[17:07]  * menesis is here
[17:08] <persia> BlackZ is next by both age and category
[17:08] <geser> ok
[17:08] <cjwatson> do we have quorum any more?
[17:08] <geser> geser, persia, nixternal and cjwatson = 4
[17:09] <cjwatson> barry: there are no python-flufl.enum or python-flufl.i18n packages in the archive, so I don't think I am technically able to grant permissions for those right now
[17:09] <cjwatson> barry: can you ping me when those are in the archive (via sponsorship)?
[17:09] <cjwatson> and remind me of the date of today's meeting
[17:09] <persia> BlackZ: your application isn't quite complete: if you're not comfortable sharing what you like least about Ubuntu, could you share what you think is most important to improve?
[17:09] <geser> [TOPIC] Universe contributor application: Lorenzo De Liso
[17:09] <barry> cjwatson: absolutely.  thanks
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Universe contributor application: Lorenzo De Liso
[17:10] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LorenzoDeLiso/UniverseContributorApplication
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LorenzoDeLiso/UniverseContributorApplication
[17:10] <cjwatson> barry: (the remainder are active now)
[17:10] <BlackZ> persia: I think we should improve the relationship with the debian developers
[17:10] <BlackZ> and get the work in debian directly, that would provide more benefits
[17:11] <BlackZ> (I mean for new packages)
[17:11] <barry> cjwatson: thanks!  mvo will be happy :)
[17:11] <BlackZ> and there's not a thing that I don't like in ubuntu (as far)
[17:11] <BlackZ> that's the reason why I admitted it :)
[17:11] <persia> BlackZ: Any specific suggestions on how we can do that?  Sometimes we run into issues with NEW delays or with developers who don't have hardware handy to test in Debian prior to upload.
[17:12] <BlackZ> persia: the first way for new contributors would be mentors.debian.net (that's the way which I'm following too)
[17:12] <BlackZ> there's a lot of documentation that can really help
[17:15] <geser> BlackZ: is the documentation still up-to-date or does it need some work?
[17:16] <BlackZ> geser: I think it needs some work
[17:16] <BlackZ> someone could feel themselves rejected for the reason "nobody wants to see my packages"
[17:17] <BlackZ> but it's not -- we have our own skills also in the debian packaging
[17:17] <BlackZ> e.g. I'd prefer python and C++ application and avoid all java stuff
[17:17] <BlackZ> s/application/applications
[17:18] <BlackZ> (EOF)
[17:18] <geser> any more questions?
[17:19]  * persia is done
[17:19] <geser> [VOTE] Should Lorenzo De Liso become Universe Contributor?
[17:19] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should Lorenzo De Liso become Universe Contributor?.
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[17:19] <persia> +1
[17:19] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:19] <geser> +1
[17:19] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:20] <cjwatson> +1
[17:20] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:20] <nixternal> +1
[17:20] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:20] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[17:20] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:21] <persia> BlackZ: Congratulations!
[17:21] <BlackZ> thanks all
[17:21] <nixternal> BlackZ: congrats and welcome!
[17:22] <geser> persia: who is next? menesis or mtaylor?
[17:22] <persia> mtaylor, I think.
[17:22]  * mtaylor votes for mtaylor of course
[17:23] <persia> But I don't see menesis on the info page, which confuses me
[17:23] <geser> persia: edit #63
[17:23]  * menesis is Gediminas Paulauskas
[17:24] <geser> I add him as he only mailed his application short before a past DMB meeting and I added him for the meeting after that
[17:24] <persia> menesis: Right, but your edit seems subsumed somewhere in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda?action=info :(
[17:25] <persia> geser: Ah, then menesis is next (rev=63 vs 65)
[17:25] <geser> [TOPIC] PPU application: Gediminas Paulauskas
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Gediminas Paulauskas
[17:25] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/MyApplication
[17:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/MyApplication
[17:27] <highvoltage> ooh, I reviewed a bunch of menesis' packages before as well. he's been doing a real good job with the Zope packages over the Lucid cycle
[17:28] <persia> menesis: Do you expect the set of people maintaining Zope in Ubuntu to grow over time, or just be you?
[17:29] <geser> menesis: how many from the packages on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/Packages are currently in Ubuntu?
[17:29] <menesis> I hope it will be more people
[17:30] <nixternal> interesting...there is a local company here in chicago who do zope dev work and installs for companies, and they said Ubuntu has great packages...this was just last week at a tech conference...pretty groovy
[17:31] <mhall119> must be a recent change, I should zope packages on Ubuntu had been a problem
[17:31] <mhall119> oops, in the middle of a meeting, sorry for interrupting
[17:31] <menesis> nixternal: it could be true a few years ago, and that's about zope2.10, that has since been removed from Debian
[17:31] <nixternal> Contextual is the name of the company
[17:32] <nixternal> so he was more than likely blowing smoke up my rear to get rid of me as he probably didn't want to talk to me :D
[17:32] <menesis> current zope2 and plone are not packaged at all, and that's not what I work on.
[17:32] <menesis> I work on SchoolTool and Zope 3
[17:33] <nixternal> schooltool ftw. you chat with the edubuntu devs?
[17:33] <menesis> geser: let me count.
[17:33] <nixternal> I would know this if my IRC server was up and running and I wasn't afk for a couple of weeks due to hardware problems
[17:33] <menesis> yes I have been at UDS and talked with some people from edubuntu
[17:33] <nixternal> awesome
[17:34] <cjwatson> FWIW we can only grant upload privileges at the moment for packages currently in Ubuntu
[17:34] <cjwatson> (just so you know)
[17:35] <menesis> Yes, dholbach warned me that might be hard
[17:36] <geser> menesis: a rough count is enough, I don't need an exact count
[17:36] <menesis> but, if I were to upload all those packages, it is too much work and too little interest to file needs-packaging bugs and upload to REVU every single package
[17:37] <cjwatson> it's OK to ask for permission in advance, we can just only actually turn it on once they're in the archive
[17:37] <persia> menesis: You don't need to upload to REVU: it's just a handy tool to enable peer-review, which we encourage for all new packages (whether one has upload rights or not).
[17:37] <cjwatson> that last step won't require a meeting to approve it though
[17:37] <menesis> geser: 20-30
[17:37] <persia> If the packages are available for review somewhere else, that works too.
[17:38] <geser> any other questions?
[17:38] <menesis> persia: they are available in schooltool ppa, is that acceptable?
[17:39] <menesis> i.e. I upload a new package to the PPA, someone sponsors it, after it enters the archive, the package is added to the set
[17:39] <persia> menesis: PPAs are often used: some folk prefer REVU for comments and version overwriting, but anywhere works, really.
[17:39] <menesis> good.
[17:40]  * persia asked all the questions at UDS.
[17:40] <persia> I would like to exclude the last category (dependencies) from the set though, unless someone has a very strong argument for inclusion.
[17:41] <cjwatson> agreed
[17:41] <menesis> two packagesets should be created I think, pkg-zope-uploaders and schooltool-uploaders.
[17:41] <menesis> well, schooltool is just me, while zope is of interest to more people
[17:42] <geser> persia: "van.pydeb" should stay in the list?
[17:42] <menesis> persia: yes, Dependencies are already in archive, I had some problems with them, but I'm ok not having rights for them
[17:43] <persia> Probably, as it's important mostly for Zope, and has been troublesome in the past.  I just don't want to go all the way down the stack (the last category, plus the recursive dependencies thereof)
[17:43] <cjwatson> I'm OK with van.pydeb being included together with this; I don't think it's widely used elsewhere, is it?
[17:43] <menesis> yes, please, van.pydeb is a build dependency of all packages. a tool created by Brian Sutherland specifically to package zope packages.
[17:44] <menesis> it may be useful to any python package with many dependencies, though
[17:45] <cjwatson> so I think it would be fine to have a zope packageset incorporating the Zope, Zope Community, and Python Packaging sections, and a schooltool packageset for the rest
[17:45] <cjwatson> excluding the Dependencies section
[17:45] <geser> [VOTE] Grant Gediminas Paulauskas upload rights for the packages listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/Packages (rev #5) from the sections "Zope", "Zope Community", "SchoolTool" and "Python Packaging"
[17:45] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Grant Gediminas Paulauskas upload rights for the packages listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/Packages (rev #5) from the sections "Zope", "Zope Community", "SchoolTool" and "Python Packaging".
[17:45] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:45] <cjwatson> +1 - I'd like to implement that grant by way of two packagesets as suggested above
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:45] <nixternal> +1
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:45] <persia> +1 : assuming implementation as cjwatson described
[17:45] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:45] <geser> cjwatson: 47 packages have python-van.pydeb in Build-Depends
[17:46] <geser> +1
[17:46] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:46] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[17:46] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:46]  * persia is running out of stamina, and only has time for one more
[17:46] <cjwatson> geser: right, and they're practically all zope.*
[17:46] <cjwatson> please give me an action to do the packagesets here, it will take a while to set up
[17:47]  * cnd is still here :)
[17:47]  * micahg is still here
[17:47] <menesis> I can generate a list of packages already in maverick, I have a tool for that
[17:47]  * mtaylor is still here
[17:47] <cjwatson> menesis: so do I :)
[17:47] <geser> [ACTION] cjwatson create a zope packageset incorporating the Zope, Zope Community, and Python Packaging sections, and a schooltool packageset for the SchoolTool section
[17:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson create a zope packageset incorporating the Zope, Zope Community, and Python Packaging sections, and a schooltool packageset for the SchoolTool section
[17:48] <geser> one last application for today (we are nearing 2h duration)
[17:49] <geser> [TOPIC] PPU application: Monty Taylor
[17:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Monty Taylor
[17:49] <geser> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontyTaylor/PerPackageUploaderApplication
[17:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontyTaylor/PerPackageUploaderApplication
[17:50] <persia> mtaylor: Could you expand on your plans for the future?
[17:51] <mtaylor> persia: sure. currently I'm mainly focused on the things where I'm also upstream I'd love to eventually become a MOTU
[17:52] <mtaylor> I'd also be interested in working on some meta-projects - like working on packaging process or tooling
[17:53] <mtaylor> and I'll most likely be involved in some way or another with ongoing server/cloud discussions and planning
[17:53] <mtaylor> EOF
[17:54] <persia> I don't think we can approve the request for haildb today (or I'm failing to find the package due to the hour), and I'll overlook my regular opposition regarding pandora-build in the interests of not forcing lifeless to purchase a fish.
[17:54] <mtaylor> :)
[17:55] <mtaylor> yeah- haildb was just on the todo list. that's certainly fine by me
[17:56] <geser> any other questions?
[17:57]  * cjwatson idly notes that drizzle fails to build everywhere but amd64
[17:57] <mtaylor> yeah- working on that
[17:57] <cjwatson> was wondering whether or not it was deliberate :)
[17:57] <cjwatson> ok, no questions
[17:57] <mtaylor> heh
[17:57] <geser> [VOTE] Grant Monty Taylor upload rights for drizzle, gearmand, libdrizzle, libinnodb, libmemcached, python-drizzle and pandora-build?
[17:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Grant Monty Taylor upload rights for drizzle, gearmand, libdrizzle, libinnodb, libmemcached, python-drizzle and pandora-build?.
[17:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:58] <persia> +1
[17:58] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:58] <geser> +1
[17:58] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:58] <cjwatson> +1
[17:58] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:59] <geser> I've got a +1 from soren for mtaylor
[18:00] <geser> nixternal: still enough power for a vote?
[18:00] <nixternal> +1
[18:00] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[18:00] <geser> [ENDVOTE]
[18:00] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[18:00] <nixternal> haha, yeah, found my power cord...hiding under my bed :)
[18:01] <mtaylor> thanks everybody!
[18:01] <nixternal> mtaylor: congrats and welcome!
[18:02] <bjf> can we start our meeting?
[18:02] <geser> micahg and cnd: you will be first on the next meeting, sorry
[18:02] <micahg> geser: ok, thanks
[18:02] <cnd> geser: sounds good
[18:02] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:02] <geser> we lost quorum anyways
[18:02] <MootBot> bjf, There is already a meeting in progress.
[18:02] <cjwatson> mtaylor: that's active for you now
[18:02] <menesis> cjwatson: I have attached a list of existing zope packages to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GediminasPaulauskas/Packages?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=zope_packages_in_maverick.txt
[18:02] <geser> #endmeeting
[18:02] <JFo> o/
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:02.
[18:02] <cjwatson> menesis: thanks
[18:02] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:02] <cking> o/ here
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is bjf.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <mtaylor> cjwatson: thanks!
[18:02] <apw> o/
[18:02] <lag>                  |//
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[18:03]  * ogasawara waves
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[18:03]  * lag giggles
[18:03]  * apw slaps lag
[18:03] <sconklin> here
[18:03] <jjohansen> \o
[18:03] <mpoirier> present
[18:03]  * pgraner is here 0/
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:03] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open action item: manjo to send a patch with test info
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open action item: manjo to send a patch with test info
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open action item: jfo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open action item: jfo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack
[18:04] <JFo> that is holding for manjo's test kernel
[18:05] <JFo> it will likely land in Alpha3
[18:05] <JFo> it is also tracked in the firewire blueprint
[18:05] <JFo> ..
[18:05] <apw> manjo is travelling
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:05] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (3 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[18:05] <JFo> [18:05] <JFo>  * 2 linux kernel bugs (down 8)
[18:05] <JFo>  * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs
[18:05] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug
[18:05] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * 7 linux kernel bugs (down 10)
[18:06] <JFo>  * 4 linux-ti-omap bugs155301
[18:06] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * 13 blueprints
[18:06] <JFo> *** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[18:06] <JFo>  * Breakdown by status:
[18:06] <JFo>    http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:06] <JFo> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:06] <jjohansen> no progress from last week.  Doing the testing now
[18:06] <jjohansen> ..
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)
[18:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack
[18:07] <bjf> not here
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:07] <apw> The debian commonisation is progressing well, Lucid and Maverick are both applied.  Karmic is still pending approval.  The TI-OMAP4 preliminary kernel has now been created and pushed to the repository.
[18:07] <apw> ..
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:08] <tgardner> Uploaded Ubuntu-lts-2.6.35-5.6 this morning to the kernel-ppa at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu.
[18:08] <tgardner> Submitted upstream patch to deprecate a netfilter config option CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT which will
[18:08] <tgardner> have an impact on Lucid userspace when the 11.04 kernel is backported.
[18:08] <tgardner> ..
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:09] <jjohansen> Ported over the latest .34 Xen patchset, it currently has some issues, so we will stay with Lucid EC2 kernel until they are resolved.
[18:09] <jjohansen> ..
[18:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-tracing-support (cnd)
[18:09] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-tracing-support
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-tracing-support (cnd)
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-tracing-support
[18:09] <cnd> trace-cmd and kernelshark have been uploaded as of 2 hrs ago, feel free to give it a spin! Our version of perf probe now also supports the new -s option for specifying the source directory. This blueprint is pretty much fulfilled in terms of development. JFo has a task for looking at arsenal scripting responses for ftraceable bugs, but that's all.
[18:09] <cnd> ..
[18:10]  * JFo updates his tasks
[18:10] <JFo> ..
[18:10] <bjf> did that get onto the arsenal wiki page?
[18:10] <JFo> it has not yet
[18:10] <JFo> I will add it
[18:10] <JFo> ..
[18:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:10] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:10] <ogasawara> 2 of the usb sauce patches I pushed upstream to remove duplicate id's
[18:10] <ogasawara> are now in gregkh-2.6 tree.  Per feedback on linux-wireless ml, I fixed
[18:10] <ogasawara> up and resent the p54usb patch to comment out a duplicate id.  I also
[18:10] <ogasawara> resent the ipw2200 enable led by default patch with TJ's official SOB.
[18:10] <ogasawara> These last two are still pending acceptance.
[18:10] <ogasawara> ..
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)
[18:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)
[18:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts
[18:11] <apw> The union mounts patches have been revised and are now at 2.6.34, however they are looking to be still undergoing heavy churn and review.  I do not see them being ready for our use within the timescales required.
[18:11] <apw> we should probabally consider assuming it will not make it.
[18:11] <apw> ..
[18:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (jfo)
[18:12] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (jfo)
[18:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:12] <JFo>  * apw and I will be reworking the Triage section of the wiki. I'll be adding a page for the BugDays and moving over some relevant information from the old ones, but generally leaving legacy information there.
[18:12] <JFo>  * The forum moderators are excited to be helping us address kernel related forum topics as well as bugs filed due to comments in the forums. More to come on this
[18:12] <JFo>  * I've sent out an initial inquiry out to gauge the interest in the proposed kernel triage summit. So far the response has been immensely positive. the X community is involved and it seems that there is a great deal of interest in the classes on specific subsystems. I also sent out a call for experts to address some of the subsystems that have a separate component outside the kernel such as X and audio specifically. I'll send out some more specif
[18:12] <JFo> ic e-mails as time goes on to gather subject experts for the classes.
[18:12] <JFo> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:13] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:13] <apw> The initargs patches have now been tested, updated and pushed to the Maverick kernels.  The ureadahead patches remain untested.
[18:13] <apw> ..
[18:14] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:14] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:14] <cking> Changes to Firmware Test Suite this week:
[18:14] <cking>  Add in heurstic driven advice when detecting errors (lots of textual help)
[18:14] <cking>  Lots of code tidy up (fix memory leaks, func return values), tested with valgrind
[18:14] <cking>  Add in generic CPU identification code
[18:14] <cking>  Automate debian packaging from git repo
[18:14] <cking>  Put in PPA http://ppa.launchpad.net/firmware-testing-team/ppa-firmware-test-suite
[18:14] <cking>  Scan ~2870 kernel logs from LP, extract errors, tune klog scanner to detect these errors.
[18:14] <cking>  Regex pattern matching on log scanning (slower, more flexible though)
[18:14] <cking> ..
[18:14] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:14] <ogasawara> We just uploaded the linux-2.6.35-5.6 kernel yesterday.  This primarily
[18:14] <ogasawara> contains kernel config changes, so please test.
[18:14] <ogasawara> Alpha 2 is Thurs July 1 (ie ~1week from today).  You should be
[18:14] <ogasawara> finalizing any work items you have or pushing them out to Alpha3 if
[18:14] <ogasawara> they're not Alpha2 release critical.  Note that we're currently above
[18:14] <ogasawara> the trend line in our Alpha 2 burn down chart so get those items closed
[18:14] <ogasawara> or moved asap:
[18:15] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-2.html
[18:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-2.html
[18:15] <ogasawara> Also, if you have any patches which you want to land in the Alpha2
[18:15] <ogasawara> kernel, they need to be sent to the kernel-team ml and have garnered
[18:15] <ogasawara> the appropriate Ack's *before* this Fri, June 25.  I plan to upload
[18:15] <ogasawara> our final Alpha2 kernel Thursday afternoon/Friday morning PST (UTC-7).
[18:15] <ogasawara> ..
[18:15]  * tgardner hears the whip crack
[18:15] <ogasawara> heh
[18:16] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (lag)
[18:16] <lag> Marvel (mvl-dove) :
[18:16] <lag>   mvl-dove branch in lucid has been updated to sync with the latest Marvell
[18:16] <lag>   Dove LSP 5.2.1 (mostly fixes), as well as one additional fix to the resume
[18:16] <lag>   failure from hibernation.
[18:16] <lag> Freescale (fsl-imx51):
[18:16] <lag>   Nothing new this week; however, cooloney indicates that smb may have completed
[18:16] <lag>   some work to upload the kernel to -proposed.
[18:16] <lag> Texas Instruments (ti-omap):
[18:16] <lag>   A new topic branch named ti-omap4 was merged into Maverick. It is based on TI
[18:16] <lag>   2.6.34 omap4 kernel tree. rtg also helped to pull the branch and sync the Debian
[18:16] <lag>   packaging stuff with our Maverick master branch. TI said they will provide a
[18:16] <lag>   2.6.35-rc based omap4 tree to our Maverick in the middle of Aug.
[18:16] <lag> ..
[18:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:17] <bjf> Maybe it helps to add the input. Doh!
[18:17] <bjf> Hardy:       2.6.24-28.70  (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.24-28.71  (proposed)[ 4]  0 / 1 verifications done
[18:17] <bjf> Jaunty:      2.6.28-19.61  (security)
[18:17] <bjf> Karmic:      2.6.31-22.60  (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.31-22.61  (waiting for approval)
[18:17] <bjf>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-214.28 (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.31-214.29 (waiting for approval)
[18:17] <bjf>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-112.28 (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.31-112.29 (waiting for approval)
[18:17] <bjf>  - ec2       2.6.31-307.15 (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.31-307.16 (waiting for approval)
[18:17] <bjf> Lucid:       2.6.32-22.36  (security)
[18:17] <bjf>              2.6.32-23.37  (proposed)[11] 14/39 verifications done (+ 6)
[18:17] <bjf>  - LBM       2.6.32-23.37  (proposed)[ 8]  3/ 3 verifications done (+ 2)
[18:17] <bjf>  - mvl-dove  2.6.32-205.18 (security)
[18:18] <bjf>              2.6.32-206.19 (proposed)[ 4] 12/41 verifications done (+12)
[18:18] <bjf>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-608.14 (security)
[18:18] <bjf>              2.6.31-608.15 (proposed)[ 4]  2/ 4 verifications done (+ 2)
[18:18] <bjf>  - ti-omap   2.6.33-501.7  (security)
[18:18] <bjf>              2.6.33-502.8  (proposed)[ 4]  0/ 4 verifications done
[18:18] <bjf>  - qcm-msm   2.6.31-802.4  (security)
[18:18] <bjf>              2.6.31-802.5  (proposed)[ 4]  1/ 5 verifications done (+ 1)
[18:18] <bjf>  - ec2       2.6.32-306.11 (security)
[18:18] <bjf>              2.6.32-307.12 (proposed)[ 4] 12/38 verifications done (+12)
[18:18] <bjf> For the various ARM topic branches, people with testing HW need to make sure
[18:18] <bjf> that beside of generic boot tests, they verify their specific bugs:
[18:18] <bjf>  * mvl-dove
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/509006
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576257
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/591249
[18:18] <bjf>  * fsl-imx51
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/567157
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/575558
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/559065
[18:18] <bjf>  * ti-omap
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/584920
[18:18] <bjf>    * BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/566238
[18:18] <bjf>  * ec2 has no specific changes
[18:18] <smb-nx> Yo
[18:18] <smb-nx> Ta
[18:19] <smb-nx> ..
[18:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:19] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[18:19] <JFo> 28 Maverick Bugs (up 5)
[18:19] <JFo> 980 Lucid Bugs (up 30)
[18:19] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:19] <JFo> [18:19] <JFo>   * 12 maverick bugs (up 4)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 223 lucid bugs (no change: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:19] <JFo> [18:19] <tgardner> smbwhat is linux-ti-omap? omap3 is in the master branch.
[18:19] <JFo>   * 34 lucid bugs (up 4)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 1 hardy bug (no change)
[18:19] <JFo> [18:19] <JFo>   * 142 lucid bugs (up 6)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 46 karmic bugs (down 2)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 19 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:19] <JFo> [18:19] <JFo>   * 1 lucid bug (no change)
[18:19] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:19] <JFo> ..
[18:19] <smb-nx> tgardner: omap4 afaik
[18:20] <apw> tgardner, ti-omap is that not in lucid ?
[18:20] <tgardner> its linux-ti-omap4 then
[18:20] <tgardner> apw, the status was referring to Maverick
[18:20] <apw> those bugs are on linux-ti-omap though in the list
[18:20] <smb-nx> No lucod
[18:20] <apw> tgardner, smb no touchey maverick
[18:21] <tgardner>  linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Maverick)
[18:21] <smb-nx> Exactly
[18:21] <tgardner> it ain't a package
[18:22] <apw> hrm that got to be user error doesn't it, a nomination against the wrong release
[18:22] <tgardner> ..
[18:22] <apw> ..
[18:22] <smb-nx> We have a linux ti omap plg in luid
[18:22] <tgardner> yes
[18:22] <smb-nx> .
[18:22] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:22] <JFo> Today's bug day will be focusing on working Confirmed bugs and getting them to either Incomplete, by way of testing or information requests, or Triaged based on the completeness of the bug. My goal is to work through all of the Confirmed bugs to get them in the correct state.
[18:22] <JFo> The Team Bug Days will continue to be the two half days on Friday and Monday. Please provide me feedback on these as you have it.
[18:22] <JFo> Next week's bug day will be two-fold. On the one hand, we will change the remaining lucid regression-potential bugs to regression release. On the other hand, we will be reviewing the incorrectly labeled new bugs that need to be some other status based on either response by the bug reporter or the inclusion of requested logging.
[18:23] <JFo> ..
[18:24] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:24] <apw> o/
[18:24] <bjf> apw, go
[18:25] <apw> just a reminder that we are all meant to be helping with the wiki gardening effort ... this needs to be basically complete by the end of the platform sprint
[18:25] <apw> there is a long todo of small items people can help out with
[18:25] <apw> ..
[18:25] <pgraner> for the date & time challenged that is 23 Jul
[18:25] <sconklin> link to todo?
[18:26] <ogasawara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/WikiToDo
[18:26] <apw> ogasawara, thans
[18:26] <apw> ks
[18:27] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[18:27] <JFo> thanks bjf
[18:27] <ogasawara> apw: we should maybe throw that on the misc spec and hand out specific tasks to people?
[18:27] <kamal> thanks bjf
[18:27]  * tgardner likes taht idea better
[18:27] <apw> ogasawara, yeah how does this align with A-3 probabally pretty closely
[18:27] <cking> yep
[18:27] <JFo> ogasawara, tgardner do you think it useful to have a wiki gardening day? :)
[18:28] <tgardner> JFo, we're going to at the sprint forsure
[18:28] <JFo> oh indeed
[18:28] <JFo> but I was thinking in addition to specific tasks
[18:28] <JFo> so that there was a day when some of us were focused on it
[18:28] <tgardner> I think if folks are assigned certain pages, then it'll likley get done in time.
[18:28] <JFo> k
[18:28]  * apw personally thinks the 30mins after you start work, when you are slow and in need of coffee is a perfect time
[18:29]  * tgardner thinks apw shouw make the assignments since he's quite familiar with the current wiki
[18:29] <cking> yeah, like when you have a gazillion emails waiting that need urgent attention ;-)
[18:29] <apw> cking, but you are still too stupid due to lack of caffine to understand them
[18:29] <JFo> heh
[18:29] <cking> heh
[18:59] <Daviey> \o
[18:59] <ccheney> hi
[18:59] <ttx> o/
[18:59] <jiboumans_> o/
[19:00]  * Daviey wonders if the chair is him or hallyn (agenda says hallyn, but i thought it was me)
[19:00] <jiboumans_> at velocity, but lurking
[19:00] <sommer> o//
[19:00] <hallyn> i thought it was Daviey too
[19:00] <ttx> Daviey: jiboumans said scribe=chair
[19:00]  * hallyn taking next week
[19:00]  * ttx checks again
[19:00]  * Daviey takes it, if that makes it easier
[19:01] <ttx> "Starting next week, we'll have a rotating chair for the
[19:01] <ttx> IRC meeting. The chair will also scribe the meeting and
[19:01] <ttx> send out the minutes/update the blog etc.
[19:01] <ttx> "
[19:01] <Daviey> hmm
[19:01] <Daviey> that means it's not me
[19:01] <ttx> Daviey: so if you take it, you write meeting minutes again :)
[19:01] <Daviey> <-- scribe laste week
[19:01] <ttx> hallyn: so it's your turn :)
[19:02]  * ttx can chair if you prefer
[19:02] <Daviey> (i don't mind being chair, but would rather not scribe 2 weeks in a row)
[19:02] <zul> afternoon
[19:02] <hallyn> sorry, that's why i asked yesterday - i can try today, but i did not prepare and am not familiar with agenda
[19:02]  * hallyn looking right now...
[19:02] <Daviey> hallyn: If i chair this, wanna scribe?
[19:03] <ttx> Daviey: ok, go.
[19:03] <Daviey> #startmeeting
[19:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:03. The chair is Daviey.
[19:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:03] <smoser> o/
[19:03] <hallyn> k
[19:03] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Approve last weeks minutes as true and accurate
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Approve last weeks minutes as true and accurate
[19:03] <Daviey> [VOTE] last weeks minutes as true and accurate?
[19:03] <MootBot> Please vote on:  last weeks minutes as true and accurate?.
[19:03] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[19:03] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:04] <Daviey> +0
[19:04] <MootBot> Abstention received from Daviey. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[19:04] <ttx> Daviey: and lose all the scribe pleasure to twist reality ? no way
[19:04] <hallyn> +1
[19:04] <MootBot> +1 received from hallyn. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:04] <Daviey> (I wrote them)
[19:04] <ttx> +1
[19:04] <MootBot> +1 received from ttx. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:04] <ccheney> +0
[19:04] <MootBot> Abstention received from ccheney. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:04]  * ccheney was not there
[19:05] <Daviey> ok, moving on
[19:05] <Daviey> [endvote]
[19:05] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 2
[19:05] <Daviey> [TOPI
[19:05] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:05] <Daviey> ttx to coordinate testing for Alpha 2?
[19:05] <ttx> will start during this meeting. So not done yet.
[19:05] <Daviey> ok
[19:05] <Daviey> smoser to train someone on the release team on the cloud image release?
[19:06] <smoser> in progress
[19:06] <Daviey> smoser: Will it be done by next meeting?
[19:06] <jiboumans_> smoser: who's the trainee(s)?
[19:07]  * Daviey nudges smoser to hurry :)
[19:07] <smoser> sory, yes, it can be done by alpha2
[19:08] <smoser> i  opened a ticket to get cjwatson an account on our build machine
[19:08] <jiboumans_> smoser: and cjwatson has the spare cycles before alpha2, yes?
[19:08] <smoser> the "training" is mostly written up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing
[19:09] <smoser> i would just plan on verifying / improving that during my publishing for alpha2
[19:09] <Daviey> smoser: Is that an action?
[19:09] <smoser> sure. why not
[19:10] <smoser> but that wont be done by next tuesday.
[19:10] <Daviey> [ACTION] smoser to chase IS regarding cjwatson's access and verifying / improving https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing
[19:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  smoser to chase IS regarding cjwatson's access and verifying / improving https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing
[19:10] <Daviey> smoser: ok, but we can check progress next week
[19:10] <Daviey> jjohansen to review atop patchset for Alpha3 planning purposes?
[19:10] <Daviey> jjohansen: Are you here?
[19:10] <jjohansen> right, I had problems with sick kids last week so I handed them off to kamal
[19:11] <jjohansen> he hopes to be done with them today
[19:11] <Daviey> jjohansen: aww, sorry to hear that.. Hope they are dandy now.
[19:11] <jjohansen> doing a lot better thanks
[19:11] <Daviey> jjohansen: Great.. can you ask kamal to email the ubuntu-server mailing list when he has finished?
[19:11] <jjohansen> yes
[19:12] <Daviey> [ACTION] jjohansen to ask kamal to email ubuntu-server mailing list with results of atop patchset
[19:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen to ask kamal to email ubuntu-server mailing list with results of atop patchset
[19:12] <Daviey> Daviey to update #588861, if needed against alpha1
[19:12] <Daviey> bug #588861
[19:12] <Daviey> This has mainly been passed onto ccheney and jjohansen i believe
[19:12] <ccheney> yes
[19:12] <jjohansen> Right
[19:13] <Daviey> ccheney has been doing some AWESOME testing, and updated his results on the bug, right?
[19:13] <jjohansen> indeed
[19:13] <ccheney> we have tracked it down to between 2.6.32 and 2.6.33 and waiting on 2.6.33rc kernels to test
[19:13] <jiboumans_> note that this is blocking for working eucalyptus on alpha2
[19:13] <Daviey> ccheney / jjohansen: What are the next steps?
[19:13] <jjohansen> there are going to be some bisected test kernels
[19:13] <jjohansen> from either me, tim, or andy
[19:13] <Daviey> jiboumans_: We can revert the kernel for the A2 tests, but it's "less than ideal"
[19:13] <ttx> jjohansen: this has way higher prio than the atop patchset, fwiw
[19:13] <jjohansen> who ever gets to them first
[19:14] <jjohansen> ttx: right, different people working on it
[19:14] <jiboumans_> Daviey: sure, but it means that eucaltypus doesn't work on maverick, which is the point of a2 tests after all
[19:14] <Daviey> jjohansen: Ok.. Any idea of an ETA for the test kernels?
[19:14] <jiboumans_> so yeah, what ttx says; highest kernel issue that ^
[19:14] <jjohansen> I expect there will be some today
[19:14] <ccheney> it shouldn't take me more than a couple hours to find the rc kernel at fault once i have them
[19:14] <Daviey> jjohansen: How will they be communicated?
[19:14] <jjohansen> kernel team just finished a meeting and there is a bit of grind from that
[19:15] <jjohansen> email, with urls, to you and ccheney
[19:15] <ccheney> jjohansen, great :)
[19:15] <jjohansen> and probably attached to the bug as well
[19:15] <Daviey> [ACTION] jjohansen, tim or andy to email ccheney and Daviey with test kernels for bug #588861
[19:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen, tim or andy to email ccheney and Daviey with test kernels for bug #588861
[19:16] <Daviey> jjohansen: Thanks for that
[19:16] <Daviey> zul to move the sru tracker code to it's own project?
[19:16] <zul> yes https://edge.launchpad.net/server-sru-tracker
[19:16] <Daviey> zul: you were waiting for that one, right?
[19:16] <Daviey> zul: great work.
[19:16] <zul> yep :)
[19:16] <Daviey> moving on
[19:16] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Maverick development (ttx)
[19:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development (ttx)
[19:16] <Daviey> ttx: wanna shoot?
[19:16] <ttx> sure
[19:16] <ttx> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-maverick-alpha-2.html
[19:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-maverick-alpha-2.html
[19:17] <ttx> So at this point the specs should be around 75%
[19:17] <ttx> Also I need to know if there is anyone that thinks he cannot complete his work items by alpha2
[19:17] <ttx> I'll talk to each of you in 1:1s
[19:18] <ttx> just have a look at the remaining TODo work and assess the remaining time
[19:18] <ttx> On the milestones bugs side...
[19:18] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone=27560
[19:18] <ttx> A few of those apply to us
[19:19] <ttx> Bug #588861
[19:19] <ttx> already mentioned
[19:19]  * Daviey feels that bug is yet to come up in this meeting
[19:19] <ttx> Bug #595421
[19:19] <Daviey> ^^ pending upload
[19:19] <ttx> Daviey: this one isn't solved ?
[19:19] <ttx> ah ok
[19:19] <Daviey> already in bzr
[19:19] <ttx> Bug #588410
[19:20] <Daviey> ^^ pending upload
[19:20] <Daviey> already in bzr
[19:20] <ttx> Bug #594372
[19:20] <ttx> (together with Bug #574554)
[19:20] <ttx> ccheney, zul:  ^
[19:20] <zul> the upstart script needs to be reiveiwed by the foundations team
[19:20] <ttx> Bug #594509
[19:20] <ttx> zul ^
[19:20] <ccheney> tgt mir is waiting on ubuntu-mir
[19:21] <zul> will work on it today
[19:21] <Daviey> ccheney: Any chance you can chase on of them, with a prod?
[19:21] <ttx> ccheney, zul: ok, don't hesitate to nudge them as those have been targeted against alpha2
[19:21] <ccheney> do we have someone we usually use to process them?
[19:21] <ttx> ccheney: no. But pitti was assigning someone to them usually
[19:21] <zul> ccheney: no whoever is assigned to them
[19:21] <ccheney> ok
[19:22] <ttx> Finally, Alpha2 ISO testing coverage
[19:22] <ttx> So the idea is that we split the ISO testing work to have test coverage inside the team
[19:22] <ttx> We need to test : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[19:22] <ttx> Please subscribe to the tests you'd like to run
[19:23] <ttx> and I'll check the holes in the subscription next week.
[19:23] <ttx> hallyn: you'll need to create a QA/ISO testing account if you don't have already one.
[19:23] <Daviey> [ACTION] People to subscribe to the test coverage for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[19:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  People to subscribe to the test coverage for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[19:23] <ttx> Daviey: thanks
[19:23] <hallyn> ttxi was about to ask...  so that's on amazon?
[19:23] <ttx> hallyn: no
[19:24] <ttx> hallyn: we can talk about it off-meeting
[19:24] <hallyn> k
[19:24] <Daviey> ttx: finished?
[19:24] <ttx> yes
[19:24] <Daviey> cool, thanks ttx
[19:24] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:24] <ttx> I'll be back
[19:25] <hggdh> hi
[19:25] <Daviey> hey hggdh
[19:25] <hggdh> I have been a bit busy in Lexington
[19:25] <ttx> hggdh: how is the training going ?
[19:25] <Daviey> hggdh: How is
[19:25]  * Daviey cuts short. :)
[19:25] <hggdh> but -- thanks to Daviey -- I have installed the latest euca on our rig, and am right now running a small test
[19:26] <Daviey> hggdh: Awesome.. can you email through the results for that issue?
[19:26] <hggdh> ttx: good. We have decided on some simplifications on the protocol, also
[19:26] <hggdh> Daviey: will do
[19:26] <Daviey> [ACTION] hggdh to email interested parties about the results of the ppa build.
[19:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  hggdh to email interested parties about the results of the ppa build.
[19:26] <Daviey> Does anyone have any questions or comments for hggdh ?
[19:26] <hggdh> we intend to complete the protocol tomorrow, no new machines crapping out
[19:27] <Daviey> (other than to state hggdh is awesome)
[19:27] <ttx> Daviey: no
[19:27] <Daviey> hggdh: Anything else you want to pass on?
[19:27] <hggdh> no, not right now...
[19:27] <Daviey> ok, great hggdh - thanks for the great testing
[19:27] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:28] <Daviey> Bug 588861: "pad block corrupted" error with >=2.6.34 kernel - Already covered
[19:28] <Daviey> atop kernel patch - Already covered
[19:28] <ccheney> lol
[19:28] <Daviey> jjohansen: Anything new?
[19:28] <jjohansen> the EC2 kernel is being problematic and we may have to go with a Lucid based kernel for alpha2, if we don't have a working kernel by friday
[19:28] <Daviey> and inverse, anyone have anything else for the kernel team?
[19:28] <Daviey> jjohansen: What is blocking?
[19:28] <jjohansen> on the EC2 kernel?
[19:28] <Daviey> yah
[19:29] <zul> Daviey: xen being a horribly bitch godddess perhaps?
[19:29] <jjohansen> pv-ops works in 3 out of 4 zones
[19:29] <Daviey> zul: noted :)
[19:29] <Daviey> golly, that is crazy.
[19:29] <Daviey> jjohansen: Is there a bug that is chasing the progress of that?
[19:29] <jjohansen> and I just did a port of the Xen patchset to Maverick but it wasn't clean and is having some issues
[19:30] <jjohansen> Daviey: no I haven't opened one for maverick
[19:30] <jjohansen> I will just give me a sec
[19:30] <Daviey> jjohansen: Would you mind raising one, it would be good to help us track the progress.
[19:30] <jjohansen> :)
[19:30] <Daviey> \o/
[19:31] <Daviey> [ACTION] Follow up on bug #TBC - EC2 kernel (jjohansen)
[19:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Follow up on bug #TBC - EC2 kernel (jjohansen)
[19:31] <jjohansen> hopefully we will have pv-ops, if not we will be falling back to Xen patchset
[19:31] <Daviey> anyone have anything else for jjohansen ?
[19:32] <Daviey> jjohansen: As ever, your team seems to be doing great work.. I'm sure you'll pull some awesome out of the bag.
[19:32]  * Daviey moves on.
[19:32] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Papercuts status (ttx)
[19:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Papercuts status (ttx)
[19:32] <Daviey> ttx: your floor
[19:32] <ttx> Alpha2 iteration status: https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-alpha-2
[19:32] <ttx> We still have a few bugs to nail
[19:33] <ttx> If you think you can't make it, unassign yourself so that I reassign
[19:33] <ttx> That's for Clint and kirkland
[19:33] <ttx> i'll chase up ivoks and nxvl
[19:34] <ttx> asommer is, I think done with his
[19:34] <sommer> :)
[19:34] <ttx> On the alpha3 side...
[19:34] <ttx> We are unfortunately very short on nominations
[19:34] <ttx> I wrote a blog post about it (with a provoking title)
[19:35] <Daviey> ttx: what is the url?
[19:35] <ttx> but so far just a couple new, that's all
[19:35] <ttx> http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/did-we-fix-all-small-usability-issues-in-ubuntu-server/
[19:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/did-we-fix-all-small-usability-issues-in-ubuntu-server/
[19:35] <ttx> So team members and bystanders, please file and nominate your favorite usability issues
[19:36] <Daviey> ttx: okay, is there an action we can pull out of this?
[19:36] <ttx> Other bloggers could echo my post
[19:36] <Daviey> okay, /me leaves his ACTION stick @ home, and has a pause to thought about that.
[19:37] <Daviey> ttx: moving on?
[19:37] <ttx> sure
[19:37] <Daviey> cool, top work ttx
[19:37] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20revi
[19:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20revi
[19:37] <ttx> ew
[19:37] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (zul)
[19:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (zul)
[19:37] <Daviey> rather
[19:37] <zul> hi
[19:37] <Daviey> hey zul
[19:38] <zul> so there is nothing nominated for the stable releases
[19:38] <zul> and with regards to http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[19:38] <zul> is there anything worth nominating to be backported?
[19:38] <Daviey> (that's good, right?)
[19:38] <zul> yep
[19:39] <zul> i dont have anything does anyone else?
[19:39] <Daviey> zul: so that first link is the pretty New SRU tracker?
[19:39] <ttx> looking
[19:39] <Daviey> zul: In the agenda we've got "Move to the new SRU process".. Can you expand on that?
[19:40] <ttx> zul:  nothing from me
[19:40] <zul> Daviey: yes
[19:40] <Daviey> oh good
[19:40] <Daviey> please do :)
[19:41] <Daviey> zul?
[19:41] <zul> at UDS in brussels we had a session that came up with a new way of getting more people invovled with people nominating SRUs by using the ml rather than the team meeting
[19:41] <zul> sorry i type slow
[19:41] <Daviey> (sorry)
[19:41] <zul> I would like to start that next week
[19:41] <Daviey> zul: How does that start?
[19:42] <zul> Daviey: basically i would fire off a canned email saying that these were fixed last week with instructions on how to nominate them and by the end of the week they would be reviewed by me
[19:42] <Daviey> zul: All of them reviewed by you?
[19:43] <Daviey> zul: Is there a stand by, if you go AWOL?
[19:43] <zul> well i would probably collect which ones are nominated and acuttually do the leg work
[19:43] <zul> is that right ttx?
[19:43] <zul> Daviey: not as yet
[19:43] <ttx> yes
[19:43] <Daviey> ok, that might be a good idea to get organised... which basically means document what you do :)
[19:44] <Daviey> [ACTION] zul to mail the ubuntu-server mailing list with the SRU nomination process, and document his process from there.
[19:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to mail the ubuntu-server mailing list with the SRU nomination process, and document his process from there.
[19:44] <Daviey> \o/
[19:44] <Daviey> zul: Nice stuff! you rock.
[19:44] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:45] <Daviey> sommer is our doc's rock star, any one have anything for him?
[19:45] <Daviey> sommer: Have anything for us?
[19:45] <sommer> I didn't really have anything for this week... things are sailing smooth at this point
[19:45] <Daviey> \o/
[19:46] <Daviey> sommer: Keep on rockin'.  Know that you can contact any of us if you have any concerns during the week.
[19:46] <Daviey> thanks sommer!
[19:46] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:46] <sommer> coolio thanks Daviey
[19:46] <Daviey> Nothing here o/
[19:46] <ttx> Nominate papercuts !
[19:47] <zul> sorry computer went bonkers
[19:47] <Daviey> zul: heh
[19:47] <Daviey> ok, moving on
[19:47] <zul> what did i miss?
[19:47] <Daviey> zul: nothing
[19:47] <zul> k
[19:47] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:47] <ttx> Daviey: you missed sommer.
[19:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:47] <Daviey> ttx: huh?
[19:48] <ttx> s/Daviey/zul/
[19:48] <Daviey> [ACTION] Make Daviey sad with the late time of the next meeting.
[19:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Make Daviey sad with the late time of the next meeting.
[19:48] <Daviey> Tuesday 2010-06-29 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:48] <ttx> yes, do it again.
[19:49] <Daviey> ttx: sorry?
[19:49] <ttx> let's make you sad again !
[19:49] <Daviey> boohoo
[19:49] <Daviey> thanks all for attending
[19:49] <Daviey> #endmeeting
[19:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:49.
[19:49] <ttx> thanks Daviey !
[19:50] <sommer> party on all :-)
[19:50] <Daviey> hggdh: When you do the mins, can you 's/#TBC/#597387/g'
[19:54] <hggdh> Daviey: sure
[19:59] <Daviey> hggdh: Awesome
[21:00] <sirex`> Does CC meeting will take place today? 20:00 UTC?
[21:11] <sirex`> stas: Does CC meeting will take place today? 20:00 UTC?
[21:12] <stas> sirex`: it should
[21:12] <sirex`> stas: you are from Romanian LoCo?
[21:12] <stas> sirex`: yes, you?
[21:13] <sirex`> From Lithuanian LoCo.
[21:13] <sirex`> Strange in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda are written that we sould attend on 15 July, but not today...
[21:14] <sirex`> Also ubuntu meeting calendar doesn't list anyl LoCoCouncil meetings today...
[21:14] <DoruHush> The LoCo Council meets on the 3rd Tuesday of every month at 20:00 UTC. The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday 22-June-2010, 20:00 UTC and and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
[21:14] <Cracknel> sirex`: look in the first paragraph
[21:15] <czajkowski> Hi
[21:15] <Cracknel> it's what DoruHush just said :)
[21:15] <czajkowski> The loco council meet last week
[21:15] <czajkowski> we will meet again next month
[21:15] <DoruHush> on the 29th?
[21:15] <sirex`> Yes, am looking there, but in other places are written different dates. It's confusing..
[21:16] <stas> strange, the page on wiki is modified recently
[21:16] <DoruHush> thank you czajkowski :)
[21:16] <alex3f> '/part
[21:16] <Cracknel> Someone should update the wiki with correct information.
[21:16]  * stas fake alarm
[21:16] <czajkowski> DoruHush: no problem
[21:17] <czajkowski> Cracknel: I think it is correct
[21:17] <czajkowski> 3rd tuesday
[21:17] <stas> cheers
[21:17] <czajkowski> this month has 5 tuesdays in it
[21:21] <sirex`> So in first paragrapth is written, that meeting will be today, then someone changes dates next to teams lising to 15 july and next 3rd tuesday will be on 20 july... :)
[21:26] <DoruHush> that means it will be on a Thursday and not a Tuesday, right?
[21:27] <sirex`> DoruHush: it seems, that next lococouncil meeting will be on 20 july...
[21:27] <czajkowski> sirex`: I dont see where it says meeting today
[21:28] <sirex`> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda first paragraph
[21:30] <DoruHush> on the table is the right date 20 of july
[21:30] <DoruHush> thank you
[21:30] <czajkowski> I've fixed it now
[21:31] <czajkowski> but it does state 3rd tuesday so it wuldnt have happened today
[21:31] <czajkowski> and in the past all of the meetings were won the 3rd tuesday
[21:31] <DoruHush> yes yes
[21:32] <sirex`> who knows which statment is correct... I only attend these meetings each two years... :)
[21:32] <czajkowski> sirex`: well that's a bit of an issue in its;ef so
[21:32] <czajkowski> sirex`: are you the team contact
[21:33] <sirex`> czajkowski: yes.
[21:33] <sirex`> Was prepared today to reapprove Lithuanian team.
[21:33] <czajkowski> sirex`: well team contacts should know when the council meetings and also attend on a monthly basis
[21:35] <sirex`> czajkowski: ok, I will try to watch for what is going more attentive.
[21:36] <czajkowski> sirex`: thanks and see you next month
[21:37] <DoruHush> bye bye :)
[22:19] <zkriesse> any council members here?
[22:23] <czajkowski> zkriesse: which council
[22:25] <zkriesse> just any ubuntu council member
[22:26] <zkriesse> i need to get my ubuntu member cloak changed but the freenode staff need permission from the group that gave the cloak...
[22:26] <zkriesse> hence ubuntu
[22:26] <czajkowski> zkriesse: which membership board did you get your membership from and have you gone to the IRC channel to sort it out
[22:26] <czajkowski> zkriesse: nope not hence Ubuntu, :)
[22:27] <zkriesse> czajkowski: gimme a sec
[22:28] <zkriesse> czajkowski: it was the Asia Oceania membership board
[22:28] <zkriesse> and i've been to #ubuntu-irc and #freenode but they say that they need a GC approval before they can change it for me
[22:29] <popey> zkriesse: whats your launchpad ID?
[22:29] <zkriesse> popey: ~zkriesse
[22:29] <popey> what do you want it changed to?
[22:31] <zkriesse> popey: from zach@ubuntu/member/ZachK- to zach@ubuntu/member/zkriesse
[22:32] <popey> who did you speak to so far?
[22:32] <zkriesse> popey: few different staff in #freenode nick of jtrucks and some others in #ubuntu-irc
[22:32] <popey> today?
[22:33] <pleia2> zkriesse: you need to talk to one of the irc-council folks in #ubuntu-irc
[22:33] <pleia2> they control the GC stuff for Ubuntu
[22:33] <czajkowski> zkriesse: not a #freenode issue
[22:33] <zkriesse> ah
[22:33] <zkriesse> ok
[22:35] <zkriesse> pleia2: know of anybody that i can talk to in -irc?
[22:35] <zkriesse> a name to look for?
[22:37] <popey> jussi or pici
[22:38] <zkriesse> ok thanks
[22:38] <popey> or topyli, bnrubin or tsimpson