[00:00] What kind of delay, alvin-laptop [00:01] No, but they gave me a great idea, LOL. Look for docs from the package that didn't come up. [00:03] For some reason, xubuntu waits for a while before it launchs into the script [00:04] Could be hardware related, alvin-laptop, and something needs to be blacklisted. [00:05] do you mean changing the boot sequence? [00:06] I have already disabled the floppy drive in the bios [00:08] <_Techie_> does anyone here have any experience with ATI Crossfire setups in *buntu? [00:09] Check "Session and Startup" in the Xfce 4 Settings Manager. [00:09] I will give it a shot [00:10] likemindead, but that's after the login screen [00:10] Ah... [00:11] there isn't something to be showed on the screen for every second [00:12] knome: burning the candle at both ends I see [00:13] <_Techie_> Sysi and knome what graphcis cards do you guys use? ATI or nVidia? [00:14] Just how slow is your boot, alvin-laptop? [00:14] nvidia [00:14] _Techie_, i've used both, but i have no idea about crossfire [00:14] NVIDIA and Intel here. [00:14] crossfire sound's non-working, does google know? [00:15] Not slow...It's as though it's waiting for something - perhaps a login screen [00:15] Okay. [00:15] from my experience, i'd say that's just normal [00:16] <_Techie_> i gues ill have to document what i do when i get my new rig [00:16] Xubuntu takes slightly longer to boot than Ubuntu for me on a couple of different laptops. Ten seconds, maybe. [00:17] Can't you force it to go directly into the load up script [00:18] alvin-laptop, that would mean removing something from the boot, it does not wait just for fun ;) [00:18] it just sit there...as though it not sure what to do next [00:18] lol [00:19] <_Techie_> it could be a cycle to check whether something loaded correctly [00:20] <_Techie_> i would think that if the startup halted for a moment, it would not be without a good reason [00:20] alvin-laptop, i'm sure it calculates something really important [00:20] alvin-laptop, just think you were the guy who was given the pencil and paper and told to draw the login screen again and again! [00:21] I can't really complain - once in there is no waiting for anything else to load [00:21] carbon paper:P [00:21] Sysi, ^ note the sarcasm in that sentence? :P [00:21] I do indeed [00:21] knome: i was about to mention [00:22] alvin-laptop, you couldn't know ;) [00:22] must be a linux joke [00:22] actually a xubuntu joke... [00:22] do tell [00:22] i used to work as the marketing lead, thus, drawing the login screens... [00:23] marketing/artwork [00:23] mmh [00:23] <_Techie_> ... you two never cease to amaze me [00:23] _Techie_, me and... m? [00:23] *me [00:23] <_Techie_> you and Sysi [00:23] heh [00:23] finnish power :P [00:23] <_Techie_> lol [00:23] finnish embarrassment [00:24] :P [00:24] <_Techie_> maybe one day ill head over your way and maybe some of it will rub off on me [00:24] maybe... just maybe [00:24] it doesn't stick very easily [00:25] see Humon at DeaviantArt [00:25] knome: did you watch cooking with coolie - what did you think [00:25] alvin-laptop, no, didn't ;) [00:25] some jokes propably don't catch non-northern people [00:26] were can you get decent wallpaper? [00:27] There are only a few on offer in the default selection [00:28] what's wrong with the ones shipped? [00:28] xfce- / gnome-look.org [00:28] nothing marketing guru...you did a lovely job [00:28] <_Techie_> http://4walled.org/ [00:28] I like wallbase.net or boards.4chan.org/wg/ if you're brave. [00:28] alvin-laptop, hah, no really, want to know so i can improve :P [00:29] knome: The colour schemes are a little dark in my opinion... Although I like the designs it can be hard to read the screen at times [00:30] * likemindead loves the Shiki themes. [00:31] alvin-laptop, okay :) [00:31] do you ship the metacity theme by default [00:32] xubuntu uses xfwm [00:32] there's not metacity themes in xfce, but xfwm [00:32] http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/kuvat/Screenshot.png [00:32] i love and knome hates that [00:32] pretty much. [00:33] techie: I tried that page - mostly porn [00:33] i've changed irssi theme to more green [00:33] http://emonk.fi/temp/Screenshot.png [00:34] Sysi, note my kewl wallpaper [00:34] yeah [00:34] http://www.amarillolinux.com/mb/gallery/30_20_06_10_7_59_07.png [00:35] Sysi: That an excellent theme - where did you get it [00:35] My latest. (It changes almost hourly...) [00:35] i'll take updated screenie [00:35] alvin-laptop: charcoal, gnome-look [00:35] window border is self-made [00:35] totorro [00:36] i should upload it to somewhere [00:36] Sysi, try xfce-look.org :P [00:36] knome: I like the simplicity of your desktop [00:36] knome: when i get it done.. [00:36] alvin-laptop, yep, i focus on usability and getting things done [00:37] alvin-laptop, contrary to Sysi, as you can see from his comment [00:37] knome: the best method in my opinion [00:37] this is usable [00:37] itherly i'd use more opacity [00:37] Sysi, note the irony on my last :P [00:37] =-O [00:37] knome: i noted it's only the half :) [00:38] smile :) [00:39] i'll upload this in a few minutes [00:39] * knome has some coke and cookies [00:39] no more beer in the house :( [00:39] :'( [00:40] mmh coke [00:40] Hang on - you have coke and cookies? [00:40] warm coke actually :| [00:40] aaahhh [00:40] alvin-laptop, sure. i even have cold coke in the fridge [00:40] and more cookies in the closet [00:40] you finish and your sookies [00:41] I'm mean cookes [00:41] dam it cookies [00:41] ...and "finnish" [00:41] Thank you - we all know I can;t spell [00:41] another mistake [00:41] let all laugh [00:42] hey, i wasn't the one who skipped english lessons! [00:42] oh wait, i was [00:44] argh this broadband [00:45] scp stucks [00:45] hello cody-somerville [00:46] http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/kuvat/Screenshot.png [00:46] hi [00:46] i guess there's even more to hate [00:46] uh, all those gradients [00:46] knome: are we the worst offtopic here? [00:46] be back in one moment [00:47] Sysi, definitely [00:48] sleepytiemz → (see the time at screenie) [00:48] Sysi, good night boy [00:48] i don't wanna sleep all time when parents are away [00:48] hah :P [00:48] g'night old man [00:49] thank you kid [00:49] Old man, eh? [00:49] likemindead, older than Sysi :P [00:50] All of 24? ;-) [00:50] <_Techie_> NSFW--- http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/Screenshot.png [00:50] mm-hmm :) [00:50] _Techie_, please, we're trying to keep the channel family friendly [00:51] <_Techie_> i listed NSFW [00:51] still [00:51] I give it a facepalm.jpg _Techie_ [00:51] people might not recognise the acronym, also, we're logged [00:53] <_Techie_> http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/wallpaper-1.png [00:53] <_Techie_> thats safe for work [01:47] * likemindead just installed Linux on his father-in-law's laptop. :D [03:09] HII === patrick is now known as Guest30892 [03:10] hu Guest30892 [03:11] how fast is xubuntu in comparison to ubuntu [03:11] ( im on a hp mini 210 ) [03:12] it is 22.5 % faster [03:12] that isnt a fact of course [03:12] loll [03:12] but like [03:12] boot time is all i care about [03:12] :P [03:12] it is faster, not sure how much though [03:13] im just hoping for something that is around 20 seconds [03:13] then again ubuntu is quick also [03:13] hmmm [03:13] yeah im on normal ubuntu now [03:13] it takes like 25 to 30 seconds [03:14] worth a try i guess, possibly change what gets started at startup [03:14] yeah [03:14] like how long does it take you to boot up? [03:14] (your system i mean :P) [03:15] i havent timed it [03:15] and i am running an xubuntu / ubuntu thing atm [03:17] like dual? [03:18] no, it started as ubuntu, and now it is xubuntu as well [03:18] ohh haha [03:19] and some large apps added, netbeans, virtualbox, wine [03:19] alright [03:19] like the thing is [03:20] i like the new ubuntu, ( no brown and orange ) and the new apps and features [03:20] then keep it [03:20] i mean ubuntu in general [03:20] like *buntus [03:20] the brown was ugly [03:21] the thing is about *buntus is the bloat that comes with any version no matter what, BECAUSE they are focused on making it simple to use [03:21] i agree [03:21] Guest30892, so you want the smallest distro possible? [03:21] not smallest distro possible [03:21] but like [03:22] something that is nice and fast [03:22] preferably not based on ubuntu [03:22] lol [03:22] :P [03:22] how much do you know about linux? [03:23] well ive been using it for a year or so [03:23] more than basic knowledge i would say [03:23] i can do some command line, and get my way out of problems [03:23] so setting up flash and java isnt a problem [03:24] not at all [03:24] ever use Debian? [03:24] nope [03:25] possibly worth a shot, but you will lose the ease of use [03:25] hmm [03:25] but Debian with fxce4 is much quicker than xubuntu [03:26] i just googled debian hp mini 210, and it said there was lots of problems with the compatibility with this netbook [03:26] there is really nothing wrong with ubuntu [03:27] or xubuntu [03:27] but i like the idea of debian/arch/gentoo of installing your own de and/or window manager [03:27] yeah i know [03:27] im just trying to look for a really fast booting machine :P [03:28] Guest30892, lfs [03:32] how long would that take though [03:32] :P [03:33] have a good internet connection? [03:33] decent [03:33] i guess haha [03:34] takesa while to download stuff [03:35] sorrygotta goo [03:35] cya [03:35] you could always try to make xubuntu smaller [06:50] I'm running Xubuntu 9.10 on a Dell Mini 9 and I just got a Kodak SD card at CVS [06:50] for some reason, Xubuntu doesn't recognize it [06:51] I tried it in a WinXP box, and it shows up fine [06:51] I even formatted it as FAT32 in case it had some funky proprietary formatting on it that Linux doesn't know [06:51] my Linux netbook still doesn't see it [06:52] I have a number of other SDHC cards and they work fine [06:52] any ideas? [07:36] hi, i was deinstalling some CUPS programs and endended up removing the whole xubuntu desktop, now i have no window manager at all. I am going to go ahead and install xubuntu-desktop, but was wondering what else should i install? what else comes with the fresh installation of xubuntu lucid [07:36] ? [09:49] Whats up everybody! whats happening in the world of xubuntu [09:51] !hi [09:51] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay! [09:52] hi alvin [09:53] we might actually want a different "hi" for just saying hi to people [09:53] i's a bit overkill to use that one again and again and again [09:53] *it's [09:54] i think '! scares people a bit [09:54] maybe [09:59] knome: I did it intentionally [10:00] knome: it should also mention #xubuntu-offtopic [10:00] TheSheep, probably [10:01] Sysi: Hi dude [10:02] I was busy getting technical support from someone (no names) [10:02] * knome coughs [10:02] :-D [10:03] completely anonymous [10:04] Can some answer this question: Do the amount of icons in you panel increase your boot up time? [10:05] maybe 0.000000001 milliseconds [10:05] ;) [10:06] very scientific [10:06] Sysi: Did you end upload that theme you were raving about [10:07] no [10:08] Sysi: Do take knomes comments to heart...I'm sure he loves your art work as much as I do [10:08] to be fair, i'm sure i don't [10:08] actually i have one with multiple coloures buttons, and this current one with just tvo turguoisish [10:08] but Sysi is okay with that, i'm sure [10:09] knome: I sure your secretly experiment with themes (when no one is looking) [10:09] alvin-laptop, actually, i'm not even doing it secretly: http://shimmerproject.org/2010/04/29/our-plans-update/ [10:10] not *secretly*, he just really don't like the gloss [10:10] Gloss is good...embrace the gloss knome [10:11] I stand corrected [10:11] :-( [10:11] :) [10:11] you are free to like gloss, i don't ;) [10:13] (these window borders are based to theme named Glossy, i think it has disppeared from xfce-look) [10:14] In all honesty, I prefer a clean simple designs! [10:15] A minimalist approach some may say [10:17] if there isn't license, is it public domain? [10:17] i guess i can upload this and variations i've made [10:18] Sysi, or http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ [10:18] Ok boys...nice chatting with you. I'll catch you round. Knome, don't have to much beer or cookies (at once). Sysis, enjoy your glossy art work. [10:18] :-D [10:18] :] [10:18] see you alvin-laptop [10:20] even if it's gpl i can upload it [10:20] there's no license in(side) that tarball [10:21] ah [10:21] now i see where you're going to :P [10:21] probably better to search the web and it's cache === simplicity-_ is now known as simplicity- [10:25] yeah, it's on DA [10:25] http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/Glossy-102893750?q=boost%3Apopular+in%3Acustomization%2Fskins%2Flinuxutil%2Fxfce+max_age%3A24h&qo=69 [10:26] (c) [10:26] so ... [10:28] hi [10:49] ciao [10:49] sono nuovo [10:49] sto ancora installando xubuntu asd === __Techie__ is now known as _Techie_ === _Techie_ is now known as bob___ === bob___ is now known as _Techie_ [13:25] I'm having video issues. "Movie Player" even with the stream updates is having problems. [13:27] What is the current hot video player for Xubuntu. Give me your opinion on browsers as well, because firefox is running WAY too heavy. [13:31] IncrStorm: vlc, smplayer; chromium, midori [13:32] adblock is big help with ferefox if you have flash installed [13:33] Well they said chrome. Do you know they package? my "Software Center" is taking a dump. I'd rather use apt-get [13:35] When I say they, I mean my friends. Most of which have Linux experience, some of which have Ubuntu experience, NONE of which have Xubuntu experience. [13:35] Light and fluffy is what I need. [13:36] epiphany-browser is good too. [13:36] i've tried to use midory but it segfaulted constantly [13:36] sudo apt-get install chromium && sudo apt-get install epiphany [13:36] and epiphany uses the same engine that firefox [13:37] it's still lighter [13:37] midori works pretty well for me, exept occasional crashes [13:38] No, drizzt_ epiphany is now WebKit. [13:38] Not Gecko. [13:38] isn't there both engines available? [13:39] Not in the latest versions, I don't think. [13:40] Actually, I would prefer advice on video [13:41] Either the codec sucks, or the player does. [13:42] VLC is always a winner. [13:42] !vlc [13:42] Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs [13:43] i managed to play h264 on netbook only with VLC [13:49] Kaffeine took a dump on me, something about a database. Haven't even seen Totem Xine or VLC [13:50] !codecs ??? Forgive my ignorance, but I HAVE been looking for updated codecs. Actually haven't found one for Indeo 5 yet. [13:50] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:51] restricted-extras contains those also [14:02] IncrStorm: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras [14:02] !codecs [14:02] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [14:21] Why is the "Other" section of the menu not fixed? [14:21] (the applications menu) [14:23] Quadrescence, "fixed" in which way? [14:24] Fixed in the way that icons don't randomly disappear, or that the entire Other menu doesn't disappear (typically the latter, typically after installing new software) [14:25] * likemindead has no "Other" section. [14:26] It's there especially when wine software is installed [14:26] Quadrescence, yes, because wine installs menu items in the "other" menu [15:03] call me an idiot but I've got instructions for installing a bin package, but what about a deb package? Shouldn't that be easier? [15:04] yes, you just double-click on the deb [17:44] hello! [17:44] how can be a dvd+rw disk formated? [17:45] with brasero, propably [17:45] i cant find it there [17:45] i just installed 9.10 and it came up fine, but resolution was bad at 800 x 600, so i installed nvidia restricted driver (175 - recommended) but then when i restarted got black screen, not 'no signal' but 'out of range' [17:54] heeeeeellllllllp! i installed 9.10 for my friend (and wiped her xp), and now i don't have any screen. after i installed nvidia drivers and restarted monitor black, message says 'out of range' [17:55] subuntu: try at #ubuntu also:) [17:55] at this point, if i could just get the nvidia drivers uninstalled and go back to 800 x 600 at least i could leave her with a working system today [17:56] Arpad2: i've been all over the place today, it seems like i am somehow going to have to edit an xorg.conf file, and i need help to do it [17:57] get to grub menu during boot and select failsafe graphics [17:57] waht was the button again.. [17:57] sysi, hold shift key i think? [17:58] worth a try [17:59] sysi, i got into grub menu, but i don't see a failsafe grafix mode [17:59] hmm, i'm not sure with grub2 [17:59] theres linux generic, and linux recovery, and memtest, and memtest serial [18:00] try recovery [18:00] should i try to edit it, or just enter to recovery mode? [18:00] just enter [18:02] k, got six options: rsume, clean, dpkg, grub, netroot, and root [18:02] *resume [18:02] clean could be [18:03] clean, says try to make free space [18:04] this is a new installation, so i don't think i need to make free space do i? [18:04] should not [18:05] is there a root command i can use to disable the nvidia drivers? [18:08] the last two options are: drop to root shell prompt with networking, or simply drop to root shell prompt [18:10] you can make it from root shell [18:10] i don't remember how, google maybe does [18:10] ok, how :) [18:18] on page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-980081.html there is a post by perfectska that has a command to disable a particular nvidia driver sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-177 nvidia-177-kernel-source nvidia-settings but if i remember correctly, the driver installed was (175), not (177) [18:19] switch the number [18:21] says 'couldn't find package nvidia-glx-175' [18:22] try "current" [18:22] ummmm, where the number is substitute 'current' ? [18:23] "aptitude search nvidia" [18:23] it shows in left what's installed [18:25] its showing A LOT .. whole screen ful of stuff, including references to nvidia 180, 185, 96, 173 [18:29] can't u use grep to found what u want ? [18:29] i can do whatever you tell me what (how) to do :) [18:30] i'm just freaking out cause i just wiped out my friends xp and now she don't have a screen ... arrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh [18:32] let's try aptitude search nvidia | grep current ? [18:32] sysi, the last output from aptitude search nvidia is nvidia-settings can i run that to disable the drivers? [18:32] it's graphical [18:32] oh, so i won't get it [18:33] and you'd need to use ubuntu's tool [18:33] lighta how do i make that perpendicular slash for your command? [18:34] with 6 [18:35] what do u mean by 6 [18:35] well on my keyboard | is under 6 number but you could just copy and past [18:40] its a different machine, i'm on the laptop talkin to you so can't copy/paste .. searching now for keyboard symbol [18:42] what's your keyboard ? azerty or qwerty ? [18:42] qwerty [18:42] =( [18:43] i have a broken perpendicular symbol, lemme try it [18:44] nothing happened with my broken | on that machine [18:45] X( [18:45] damn this thing [18:52] bye [19:08] somebody speaks french ? [19:08] subuntu ? did you succed ? [19:08] ludo182, I do [19:08] !fr [19:08] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [19:09] lighta woohooo : je viens d'installer xubuntu depuis peu sur un vieux portable, tout marchait bien, et depuis midi, je n'ai plus la barre des menus en haut, ni celle en bas ! tu peux m'aider ? [19:09] Sysi, what the A stand for when you do a aptitude search ? [19:10] ludo182, ce canal est juste anglais pm moi [19:11] lighta, sorry this box dfon [19:11] 'box dont have sound din't notice you comment [19:12] lighta, no din't succeed, i am on the target machine now, running the live disk [19:12] I was asking you if you succed with your issue ? [19:12] ok [19:13] I was trying myself and all I can tell you is on big line you had from aptitude search [19:13] the one who got i on front are those who are installed [19:14] if this could help you [19:14] no, i could not uninstall the invidia drivers [20:01] ah :D [20:01] perfect ;) [20:01] anyone can help me:O [20:02] JasperNL_Laptop, don't ask to ask just ask [20:02] hmm o_O [20:02] i can't open a app which has to run at normal Ubuntu [20:03] did you gave him the right to run ? [20:03] uhm, i did right-mousebutton and then [20:03] rmb -> properties -> permissions [20:04] everything on Read & Write, Group: Admin and Program [v] Allow this file to run as program [20:04] start the app from a terminal and look for errors JasperNL_Laptop [20:05] where can i find the terminal :$ [20:05] in CentOS he was easy to find o,o but i don't find him here >_> [20:05] right clik > terminal [20:05] >_< that was easy [20:06] well it is [20:06] now i need to navigate to Documents -> app-map -> app? [20:07] give axact path but you can do it like this cd /go/on/this/path [20:07]