[00:00] <likemindead> What kind of delay, alvin-laptop
[00:01] <IncrStorm> No, but they gave me a great idea, LOL. Look for docs from the package that didn't come up.
[00:03] <alvin-laptop> For some reason, xubuntu waits for a while before it launchs into the script
[00:04] <likemindead> Could be hardware related, alvin-laptop, and something needs to be blacklisted.
[00:05] <alvin-laptop> do you mean changing the boot sequence?
[00:06] <alvin-laptop> I have already disabled the floppy drive in the bios
[00:08] <_Techie_> does anyone here have any experience with ATI Crossfire setups in *buntu?
[00:09] <likemindead> Check "Session and Startup" in the Xfce 4 Settings Manager.
[00:09] <alvin-laptop> I will give it a shot
[00:10] <knome> likemindead, but that's after the login screen
[00:10] <likemindead> Ah...
[00:11] <Sysi> there isn't something to be showed on the screen for every second
[00:12] <alvin-laptop> knome: burning the candle at both ends I see
[00:13] <_Techie_> Sysi and knome what graphcis cards do you guys use? ATI or nVidia?
[00:14] <likemindead> Just how slow is your boot, alvin-laptop?
[00:14] <Sysi> nvidia
[00:14] <knome> _Techie_, i've used both, but i have no idea about crossfire
[00:14] <likemindead> NVIDIA and Intel here.
[00:14] <Sysi> crossfire sound's non-working, does google know?
[00:15] <alvin-laptop> Not slow...It's as though it's waiting for something - perhaps a login screen
[00:15] <likemindead> Okay.
[00:15] <knome> from my experience, i'd say that's just normal
[00:16] <_Techie_> i gues ill have to document what i do when i get my new rig
[00:16] <likemindead> Xubuntu takes slightly longer to boot than Ubuntu for me on a couple of different laptops. Ten seconds, maybe.
[00:17] <alvin-laptop> Can't you force it to go directly into the load up script
[00:18] <knome> alvin-laptop, that would mean removing something from the boot, it does not wait just for fun ;)
[00:18] <alvin-laptop> it just sit there...as though it not sure what to do next
[00:18] <alvin-laptop> lol
[00:19] <_Techie_> it could be a cycle to check whether something loaded correctly
[00:20] <_Techie_> i would think that if the startup halted for a moment, it would not be without a good reason
[00:20] <knome> alvin-laptop, i'm sure it calculates something really important
[00:20] <knome> alvin-laptop, just think you were the guy who was given the pencil and paper and told to draw the login screen again and again!
[00:21] <alvin-laptop> I can't really complain - once in there is no waiting for anything else to load
[00:21] <alvin-laptop> carbon paper:P
[00:21] <knome> Sysi, ^ note the sarcasm in that sentence? :P
[00:21] <alvin-laptop> I do indeed
[00:21] <Sysi> knome: i was about to mention
[00:22] <knome> alvin-laptop, you couldn't know ;)
[00:22] <alvin-laptop> must be a linux joke
[00:22] <knome> actually a xubuntu joke...
[00:22] <alvin-laptop> do tell
[00:22] <knome> i used to work as the marketing lead, thus, drawing the login screens...
[00:23] <Sysi> marketing/artwork
[00:23] <knome> mmh
[00:23] <_Techie_> ... you two never cease to amaze me
[00:23] <knome> _Techie_, me and... m?
[00:23] <knome> *me
[00:23] <_Techie_> you and Sysi
[00:23] <knome> heh
[00:23] <Sysi> finnish power :P
[00:23] <_Techie_> lol
[00:23] <knome> finnish embarrassment
[00:24] <knome> :P
[00:24] <_Techie_> maybe one day ill head over your way and maybe some of it will rub off on me
[00:24] <knome> maybe... just maybe
[00:24] <knome> it doesn't stick very easily
[00:25] <Sysi> see Humon at DeaviantArt
[00:25] <alvin-laptop> knome: did you watch cooking with coolie - what did you think
[00:25] <knome> alvin-laptop, no, didn't ;)
[00:25] <Sysi> some jokes propably don't catch non-northern people
[00:26] <alvin-laptop> were can you get decent wallpaper?
[00:27] <alvin-laptop> There are only a few on offer in the default selection
[00:28] <knome> what's wrong with the ones shipped?
[00:28] <Sysi> xfce- / gnome-look.org
[00:28] <alvin-laptop> nothing marketing guru...you did a lovely job
[00:28] <_Techie_> http://4walled.org/
[00:28] <likemindead> I like wallbase.net or boards.4chan.org/wg/ if you're brave.
[00:28] <knome> alvin-laptop, hah, no really, want to know so i can improve :P
[00:29] <alvin-laptop> knome: The colour schemes are a little dark in my opinion... Although I like the designs it can be hard to read the screen at times
[00:30]  * likemindead loves the Shiki themes.
[00:31] <knome> alvin-laptop, okay :)
[00:31] <alvin-laptop> do you ship the metacity theme by default
[00:32] <Sysi> xubuntu uses xfwm
[00:32] <knome> there's not metacity themes in xfce, but xfwm
[00:32] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/kuvat/Screenshot.png
[00:32] <Sysi> i love and knome hates that
[00:32] <knome> pretty much.
[00:33] <alvin-laptop> techie: I tried that page - mostly porn
[00:33] <Sysi> i've changed irssi theme to more green
[00:33] <knome> http://emonk.fi/temp/Screenshot.png
[00:34] <knome> Sysi, note my kewl wallpaper
[00:34] <Sysi> yeah
[00:34] <likemindead> http://www.amarillolinux.com/mb/gallery/30_20_06_10_7_59_07.png
[00:35] <alvin-laptop> Sysi: That an excellent theme - where did you get it
[00:35] <likemindead> My latest. (It changes almost hourly...)
[00:35] <Sysi> i'll take updated screenie
[00:35] <Sysi> alvin-laptop: charcoal, gnome-look
[00:35] <Sysi> window border is self-made
[00:35] <alvin-laptop> totorro
[00:36] <Sysi> i should upload it to somewhere
[00:36] <knome> Sysi, try xfce-look.org :P
[00:36] <alvin-laptop> knome: I like the simplicity of your desktop
[00:36] <Sysi> knome: when i get it done..
[00:36] <knome> alvin-laptop, yep, i focus on usability and getting things done
[00:37] <knome> alvin-laptop, contrary to Sysi, as you can see from his comment
[00:37] <alvin-laptop> knome: the best method in my opinion
[00:37] <Sysi> this is usable
[00:37] <Sysi> itherly i'd use more opacity
[00:37] <knome> Sysi, note the irony on my last :P
[00:37] <alvin-laptop> =-O
[00:37] <Sysi> knome: i noted it's only the half :)
[00:38] <Sysi> smile :)
[00:39] <Sysi> i'll upload this in a few minutes
[00:39]  * knome has some coke and cookies
[00:39] <knome> no more beer in the house :(
[00:39] <alvin-laptop> :'(
[00:40] <Sysi> mmh coke
[00:40] <alvin-laptop> Hang on - you have coke and cookies?
[00:40] <knome> warm coke actually :|
[00:40] <alvin-laptop> aaahhh
[00:40] <knome> alvin-laptop, sure. i even have cold coke in the fridge
[00:40] <knome> and more cookies in the closet
[00:40] <alvin-laptop> you finish and your sookies
[00:41] <alvin-laptop> I'm mean cookes
[00:41] <alvin-laptop> dam it cookies
[00:41] <knome> ...and "finnish"
[00:41] <alvin-laptop> Thank you - we all know I can;t spell
[00:41] <alvin-laptop> another mistake
[00:41] <alvin-laptop> let all laugh
[00:42] <knome> hey, i wasn't the one who skipped english lessons!
[00:42] <knome> oh wait, i was
[00:44] <Sysi> argh this broadband
[00:45] <Sysi> scp stucks
[00:45] <knome> hello cody-somerville
[00:46] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/kuvat/Screenshot.png
[00:46] <cody-somerville> hi
[00:46] <Sysi> i guess there's even more to hate
[00:46] <knome> uh, all those gradients
[00:46] <Sysi> knome: are we the worst offtopic here?
[00:46] <alvin-laptop> be back in one moment
[00:47] <knome> Sysi, definitely
[00:48] <Sysi> sleepytiemz → (see the time at screenie)
[00:48] <knome> Sysi, good night boy
[00:48] <Sysi> i don't wanna sleep all time when parents are away
[00:48] <knome> hah :P
[00:48] <Sysi> g'night old man
[00:49] <knome> thank you kid
[00:49] <likemindead> Old man, eh?
[00:49] <knome> likemindead, older than Sysi :P
[00:50] <likemindead> All of 24? ;-)
[00:50] <_Techie_> NSFW--- http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/Screenshot.png
[00:50] <knome> mm-hmm :)
[00:50] <knome> _Techie_, please, we're trying to keep the channel family friendly
[00:51] <_Techie_> i listed NSFW
[00:51] <knome> still
[00:51] <likemindead> I give it a facepalm.jpg _Techie_
[00:51] <knome> people might not recognise the acronym, also, we're logged
[00:53] <_Techie_> http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/wallpaper-1.png
[00:53] <_Techie_> thats safe for work
[01:47]  * likemindead just installed Linux on his father-in-law's laptop. :D
[03:09] <patrick> HII
[03:10] <Raggs_> hu Guest30892
[03:11] <Guest30892> how fast is xubuntu in comparison to ubuntu
[03:11] <Guest30892> ( im on a hp mini 210 )
[03:12] <Raggs_> it is 22.5 % faster
[03:12] <Raggs_> that isnt a fact of course
[03:12] <Guest30892> loll
[03:12] <Guest30892> but like
[03:12] <Guest30892> boot time is all i care about
[03:12] <Guest30892> :P
[03:12] <Raggs_> it is faster, not sure how much though
[03:13] <Guest30892> im just hoping for something that is around 20 seconds
[03:13] <Raggs_> then again ubuntu is quick also
[03:13] <Raggs_> hmmm
[03:13] <Guest30892> yeah im on normal ubuntu now
[03:13] <Guest30892> it takes like 25 to 30 seconds
[03:14] <Raggs_> worth a try i guess, possibly change what gets started at startup
[03:14] <Guest30892> yeah
[03:14] <Guest30892> like how long does it take you to boot up?
[03:14] <Guest30892> (your system i mean :P)
[03:15] <Raggs_> i havent timed it
[03:15] <Raggs_> and i am running an xubuntu / ubuntu thing atm
[03:17] <Guest30892> like dual?
[03:18] <Raggs_> no, it started as ubuntu, and now it is xubuntu as well
[03:18] <Guest30892> ohh haha
[03:19] <Raggs_> and some large apps added, netbeans, virtualbox, wine
[03:19] <Guest30892> alright
[03:19] <Guest30892> like the thing is
[03:20] <Guest30892> i like the new ubuntu, ( no brown and orange ) and the new apps and features
[03:20] <Raggs_> then keep it
[03:20] <Guest30892> i mean ubuntu in general
[03:20] <Guest30892> like *buntus
[03:20] <Raggs_> the brown was ugly
[03:21] <Guest30892> the thing is about *buntus is the bloat that comes with any version no matter what, BECAUSE they are focused on making it simple to use
[03:21] <Guest30892> i agree
[03:21] <Raggs_> Guest30892, so you want the smallest distro possible?
[03:21] <Guest30892> not smallest distro possible
[03:21] <Guest30892> but like
[03:22] <Guest30892> something that is nice and fast
[03:22] <Guest30892> preferably not based on ubuntu
[03:22] <Raggs_> lol
[03:22] <Guest30892> :P
[03:22] <Raggs_> how much do you know about linux?
[03:23] <Guest30892> well ive been using it for a year or so
[03:23] <Guest30892> more than basic knowledge i would say
[03:23] <Guest30892> i can do some command line, and get my way out of problems
[03:23] <Raggs_> so setting up flash and java isnt a problem
[03:24] <Guest30892> not at all
[03:24] <Raggs_> ever use Debian?
[03:24] <Guest30892> nope
[03:25] <Raggs_> possibly worth a shot, but you will lose the ease of use
[03:25] <Guest30892> hmm
[03:25] <Raggs_> but Debian with fxce4 is much quicker than xubuntu
[03:26] <Guest30892> i just googled debian hp mini 210, and it said there was lots  of problems with the compatibility with this netbook
[03:26] <Raggs_> there is really nothing wrong with ubuntu
[03:27] <Raggs_> or xubuntu
[03:27] <Guest30892> but i like the idea of debian/arch/gentoo of installing your own de and/or window manager
[03:27] <Guest30892> yeah i know
[03:27] <Guest30892> im just trying to look for a really fast booting machine :P
[03:28] <Raggs_> Guest30892, lfs
[03:32] <Guest30892> how long would that take though
[03:32] <Guest30892> :P
[03:33] <Raggs_> have a good internet connection?
[03:33] <Guest30892> decent
[03:33] <Guest30892> i guess haha
[03:34] <Guest30892> takesa while to download stuff
[03:35] <Guest30892> sorrygotta goo
[03:35] <Guest30892> cya
[03:35] <Raggs_> you could always try to make xubuntu smaller
[06:50] <Colonel_Panic> I'm running Xubuntu 9.10 on a Dell Mini 9 and I just got a Kodak SD card at CVS
[06:50] <Colonel_Panic> for some reason, Xubuntu doesn't recognize it
[06:51] <Colonel_Panic> I tried it in a WinXP box, and it shows up fine
[06:51] <Colonel_Panic> I even formatted it as FAT32 in case it had some funky proprietary formatting on it that Linux doesn't know
[06:51] <Colonel_Panic> my Linux netbook still doesn't see it
[06:52] <Colonel_Panic> I have a number of other SDHC cards and they work fine
[06:52] <Colonel_Panic> any ideas?
[07:36] <clao> hi, i was deinstalling some CUPS programs and endended up removing the whole xubuntu desktop, now i have no window manager at all. I am going to go ahead and install xubuntu-desktop, but was wondering what else should i install? what else comes with the fresh installation of xubuntu lucid
[07:36] <clao> ?
[09:49] <alvin-laptop> Whats up everybody! whats happening in the world of xubuntu
[09:51] <TheSheep> !hi
[09:52] <Sysi> hi alvin
[09:53] <knome> we might actually want a different "hi" for just saying hi to people
[09:53] <knome> i's a bit overkill to use that one again and again and again
[09:53] <knome> *it's
[09:54] <Sysi> i think '! scares people a bit
[09:54] <knome> maybe
[09:59] <TheSheep> knome: I did it intentionally
[10:00] <TheSheep> knome: it should also mention #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:00] <knome> TheSheep, probably
[10:01] <alvin-laptop> Sysi: Hi dude
[10:02] <alvin-laptop> I was busy getting technical support from someone (no names)
[10:02]  * knome coughs
[10:02] <alvin-laptop> :-D
[10:03] <alvin-laptop> completely anonymous
[10:04] <alvin-laptop> Can some answer this question: Do the amount of icons in you panel increase your boot up time?
[10:05] <knome> maybe 0.000000001 milliseconds
[10:05] <knome> ;)
[10:06] <alvin-laptop> very scientific
[10:06] <alvin-laptop> Sysi: Did you end upload that theme you were raving about
[10:07] <Sysi> no
[10:08] <alvin-laptop> Sysi: Do take knomes comments to heart...I'm sure he loves your art work as much as I do
[10:08] <knome> to be fair, i'm sure i don't
[10:08] <Sysi> actually i have one with multiple coloures buttons, and this current one with just tvo turguoisish
[10:08] <knome> but Sysi is okay with that, i'm sure
[10:09] <alvin-laptop> knome: I sure your secretly experiment with themes (when no one is looking)
[10:09] <knome> alvin-laptop, actually, i'm not even doing it secretly: http://shimmerproject.org/2010/04/29/our-plans-update/
[10:10] <Sysi> not *secretly*, he just really don't like the gloss
[10:10] <alvin-laptop> Gloss is good...embrace the gloss knome
[10:11] <alvin-laptop> I stand corrected
[10:11] <alvin-laptop> :-(
[10:11] <knome> :)
[10:11] <knome> you are free to like gloss, i don't ;)
[10:13] <Sysi> (these window borders are based to theme named Glossy, i think it has disppeared from xfce-look)
[10:14] <alvin-laptop> In all honesty, I prefer a clean simple designs!
[10:15] <alvin-laptop> A minimalist approach some may say
[10:17] <Sysi> if there isn't license, is it public domain?
[10:17] <Sysi> i guess i can upload this and variations i've made
[10:18] <knome> Sysi, or http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
[10:18] <alvin-laptop> Ok boys...nice chatting with you. I'll catch you round. Knome, don't have to much beer or cookies (at once). Sysis, enjoy your glossy art work.
[10:18] <alvin-laptop> :-D
[10:18] <knome> :]
[10:18] <knome> see you alvin-laptop
[10:20] <Sysi> even if it's gpl i can upload it
[10:20] <Sysi> there's no license in(side) that tarball
[10:21] <knome> ah
[10:21] <knome> now i see where you're going to :P
[10:21] <knome> probably better to search the web and it's cache
[10:25] <Sysi> yeah, it's on DA
[10:25] <Sysi> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/Glossy-102893750?q=boost%3Apopular+in%3Acustomization%2Fskins%2Flinuxutil%2Fxfce+max_age%3A24h&qo=69
[10:26] <knome> (c)
[10:26] <knome> so ...
[10:28] <slow-motion> hi
[10:49] <xubuntu339> ciao
[10:49] <xubuntu339> sono nuovo
[10:49] <xubuntu339> sto ancora installando xubuntu asd
[13:25] <IncrStorm> I'm having video issues. "Movie Player" even with the stream updates is having problems.
[13:27] <IncrStorm> What is the current hot video player for Xubuntu. Give me your opinion on browsers as well, because firefox is running WAY too heavy.
[13:31] <Sysi> IncrStorm: vlc, smplayer; chromium, midori
[13:32] <Sysi> adblock is big help with ferefox if you have flash installed
[13:33] <IncrStorm> Well they said chrome. Do you know they package? my "Software Center" is taking a dump. I'd rather use apt-get
[13:35] <IncrStorm> When I say they, I mean my friends. Most of which have Linux experience, some of which have Ubuntu experience, NONE of which have Xubuntu experience.
[13:35] <IncrStorm> Light and fluffy is what I need.
[13:36] <likemindead> epiphany-browser is good too.
[13:36] <drizzt_> i've tried to use midory but it segfaulted constantly
[13:36] <likemindead> sudo apt-get install chromium && sudo apt-get install epiphany
[13:36] <drizzt_> and epiphany uses the same engine that firefox
[13:37] <Sysi> it's still lighter
[13:37] <Sysi> midori works pretty well for me, exept occasional crashes
[13:38] <likemindead> No, drizzt_ epiphany is now WebKit.
[13:38] <likemindead> Not Gecko.
[13:38] <Sysi> isn't there both engines available?
[13:39] <likemindead> Not in the latest versions, I don't think.
[13:40] <IncrStorm> Actually, I would prefer advice on video
[13:41] <IncrStorm> Either the codec sucks, or the player does.
[13:42] <likemindead> VLC is always a winner.
[13:42] <likemindead> !vlc
[13:43] <Sysi> i managed to play h264 on netbook only with VLC
[13:49] <IncrStorm> Kaffeine took a dump on me, something about a database. Haven't even seen Totem Xine or VLC
[13:50] <IncrStorm> !codecs ??? Forgive my ignorance, but I HAVE been looking for updated codecs. Actually haven't found one for Indeo 5 yet.
[13:51] <Sysi> restricted-extras contains those also
[14:02] <likemindead> IncrStorm: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:02] <likemindead> !codecs
[14:21] <Quadrescence> Why is the "Other" section of the menu not fixed?
[14:21] <Quadrescence> (the applications menu)
[14:23] <knome> Quadrescence, "fixed" in which way?
[14:24] <Quadrescence> Fixed in the way that icons don't randomly disappear, or that the entire Other menu doesn't disappear (typically the latter, typically after installing new software)
[14:25]  * likemindead has no "Other" section.
[14:26] <Quadrescence> It's there especially when wine software is installed
[14:26] <knome> Quadrescence, yes, because wine installs menu items in the "other" menu
[15:03] <IncrStorm> call me an idiot but I've got instructions for installing a bin package, but what about a deb package? Shouldn't that be easier?
[15:04] <TheSheep> yes, you just double-click on the deb
[17:44] <Arpad2> hello!
[17:44] <Arpad2> how can be a dvd+rw disk formated?
[17:45] <Sysi> with brasero, propably
[17:45] <Arpad2> i cant find it there
[17:45] <subuntu> i just installed 9.10 and it came up fine, but resolution was bad at 800 x 600, so i installed nvidia restricted driver (175 - recommended) but then when i restarted got black screen, not 'no signal' but 'out of range'
[17:54] <subuntu> heeeeeellllllllp! i installed 9.10 for my friend (and wiped her xp), and now i don't have any screen.  after i installed nvidia drivers and restarted monitor black, message says 'out of range'
[17:55] <Arpad2> subuntu: try at #ubuntu also:)
[17:55] <subuntu> at this point, if i could just get the nvidia drivers uninstalled and go back to 800 x 600 at least i could leave her with a working system today
[17:56] <subuntu> Arpad2: i've been all over the place today, it seems like i am somehow going to have to edit an xorg.conf file, and i need help to do it
[17:57] <Sysi> get to grub menu during boot and select failsafe graphics
[17:57] <Sysi> waht was the button again..
[17:57] <subuntu> sysi, hold shift key i think?
[17:58] <Sysi> worth a try
[17:59] <subuntu> sysi, i got into grub menu, but i don't see a failsafe grafix mode
[17:59] <Sysi> hmm, i'm not sure with grub2
[17:59] <subuntu> theres linux generic, and linux recovery, and memtest, and memtest serial
[18:00] <Sysi> try recovery
[18:00] <subuntu> should i try to edit it, or just enter to recovery mode?
[18:00] <Sysi> just enter
[18:02] <subuntu> k, got six options: rsume, clean, dpkg, grub, netroot, and root
[18:02] <subuntu> *resume
[18:02] <Sysi> clean could be
[18:03] <subuntu> clean, says try to make free space
[18:04] <subuntu> this is a new installation, so i don't think i need to make free space do i?
[18:04] <Sysi> should not
[18:05] <subuntu> is there a root command i can use to disable the nvidia drivers?
[18:08] <subuntu> the last two options are: drop to root shell prompt with networking, or simply drop to root shell prompt
[18:10] <Sysi> you can make it from root shell
[18:10] <Sysi> i don't remember how, google maybe does
[18:10] <subuntu> ok, how :)
[18:18] <subuntu> on page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-980081.html there is a post by perfectska that has a command to disable a particular nvidia driver   sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-177 nvidia-177-kernel-source nvidia-settings  but if i remember correctly, the driver installed was (175), not (177)
[18:19] <Sysi> switch the number
[18:21] <subuntu> says 'couldn't find package nvidia-glx-175'
[18:22] <Sysi> try "current"
[18:22] <subuntu> ummmm, where the number is substitute 'current' ?
[18:23] <Sysi> "aptitude search nvidia"
[18:23] <Sysi> it shows in left what's installed
[18:25] <subuntu> its showing A LOT .. whole screen ful of stuff, including references to nvidia 180, 185, 96, 173
[18:29] <lighta> can't u use grep to found what u want ?
[18:29] <subuntu> i can do whatever you tell me what (how) to do :)
[18:30] <subuntu> i'm just freaking out cause i just wiped out my friends xp and now she don't have a screen ... arrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh
[18:32] <lighta> let's try aptitude search nvidia | grep current ?
[18:32] <subuntu> sysi, the last output from aptitude search nvidia is nvidia-settings can i run that to disable the drivers?
[18:32] <Sysi> it's graphical
[18:32] <subuntu> oh, so i won't get it
[18:33] <Sysi> and you'd need to use ubuntu's tool
[18:33] <subuntu> lighta how do i make that perpendicular slash for your command?
[18:34] <lighta> with 6
[18:35] <subuntu> what do u mean by 6
[18:35] <lighta> well on my keyboard | is under 6 number but you could just copy and past
[18:40] <subuntu> its a different machine, i'm on the laptop talkin to you so can't copy/paste .. searching now for keyboard symbol
[18:42] <lighta> what's your keyboard ? azerty or qwerty ?
[18:42] <subuntu> qwerty
[18:42] <lighta> =(
[18:43] <subuntu> i have a broken perpendicular symbol, lemme try it
[18:44] <subuntu> nothing happened with my broken | on that machine
[18:45] <subuntu> X(
[18:45] <subuntu> damn this thing
[18:52] <slow-motion> bye
[19:08] <ludo182> somebody speaks french ?
[19:08] <lighta> subuntu ? did you succed ?
[19:08] <lighta> ludo182, I do
[19:08] <Sysi> !fr
[19:09] <ludo182> lighta woohooo : je viens d'installer xubuntu depuis peu sur un vieux portable, tout marchait bien, et depuis midi, je n'ai plus la barre des menus en haut, ni celle en bas ! tu peux m'aider ?
[19:09] <lighta> Sysi, what the A stand for when you do a aptitude search ?
[19:10] <lighta> ludo182, ce canal est juste anglais pm moi
[19:11] <subuntu> lighta, sorry this box dfon
[19:11] <subuntu> 'box dont have sound din't notice you comment
[19:12] <subuntu> lighta, no din't succeed, i am on the target machine now, running the live disk
[19:12] <lighta> I was asking you if you succed with your issue ?
[19:12] <lighta> ok
[19:13] <lighta> I was trying myself and all I can tell you is on big line you had from aptitude search
[19:13] <lighta> the one who got i on front are those who are installed
[19:14] <lighta> if this could help you
[19:14] <subuntu> no, i could not uninstall the invidia drivers
[20:01] <JasperNL_Laptop> ah :D
[20:01] <JasperNL_Laptop> perfect ;)
[20:01] <JasperNL_Laptop> anyone can help me:O
[20:02] <lighta> JasperNL_Laptop, don't ask to ask just ask
[20:02] <JasperNL_Laptop> hmm o_O
[20:02] <JasperNL_Laptop> i can't open a app which has to run at normal Ubuntu
[20:03] <lighta> did you gave him the right to run ?
[20:03] <JasperNL_Laptop> uhm, i did right-mousebutton and then
[20:03] <JasperNL_Laptop> rmb -> properties -> permissions
[20:04] <JasperNL_Laptop> everything on Read & Write, Group: Admin and Program [v] Allow this file to run as program
[20:04] <moetunes> start the app from a terminal and look for errors JasperNL_Laptop
[20:05] <JasperNL_Laptop> where can i find the terminal :$
[20:05] <JasperNL_Laptop> in CentOS he was easy to find o,o but i don't find him here >_>
[20:05] <lighta> right clik > terminal
[20:05] <JasperNL_Laptop> >_< that was easy
[20:06] <lighta> well it is
[20:06] <JasperNL_Laptop> now i need to navigate to Documents -> app-map -> app?
[20:07] <lighta>  give axact path but you can do it like this cd /go/on/this/path
[20:07] <JasperNL_Laptop> It's in my Documents Directory o,o
[20:08] <JasperNL_Laptop> other idea ;) move to the map and do there open terminal XD
[20:08] <lighta> then you could probably just use cd ./Documents
[20:08] <lighta> yes
[20:08] <JasperNL_Laptop> hmm
[20:08] <JasperNL_Laptop> ok, i'm still there, how to run it?
[20:08] <JasperNL_Laptop> just the application name doesn't work :<
[20:09] <lighta> is it a sh ?
[20:09] <JasperNL_Laptop> sh ?
[20:09] <lighta> I guess no
[20:09] <JasperNL_Laptop> it's a small-CPU server console program ;)
[20:10] <lighta> don't you have to run it on root ? try sudo name ?
[20:10] <JasperNL_Laptop> run on root o.o
[20:10] <JasperNL_Laptop> so on properties permissions: groups: root
[20:10] <JasperNL_Laptop> ?
[20:11] <lighta> no just type sudo progname in terminal
[20:11] <lighta> I don't really know graphic thing
[20:11] <JasperNL_Laptop> hmmm
[20:11] <JasperNL_Laptop> sudo mta-server
[20:11] <JasperNL_Laptop> sudo: mta -server: command not found
[20:13] <subuntu> how can i install remote help assistant in the livecd version?
[20:14] <JasperNL_Laptop> I don't know o.o
[20:15] <moetunes> JasperNL_Laptop: you will have to rename the app to mta_server
[20:16] <JasperNL_Laptop> ok ;)
[20:16] <JasperNL_Laptop> renamed o,o
[20:16] <JasperNL_Laptop> but he says:Command not found
[20:17] <JasperNL_Laptop> so i think the problem isn't the arguement (mta-server) but sudo o.o
[20:17] <moetunes> JasperNL_Laptop: no - the terminal read the command as mta with the option -server
[20:18] <JasperNL_Laptop> ah;)
[20:18] <moetunes> JasperNL_Laptop: chmod +x ./mta_server
[20:19] <JasperNL_Laptop> sudo: mta_server: commandn ot found
[20:19] <JasperNL_Laptop> same bug when i do sudo
[20:20] <JasperNL_Laptop> it doensn't need to be /sudo?
[20:20] <moetunes> maybe no - make sure the file is in the directory the terminal is in
[20:20] <moetunes> do   ls - l
[20:20] <JasperNL_Laptop> ls -l ?
[20:21] <JasperNL_Laptop> ah ;)
[20:21] <JasperNL_Laptop> i see something
[20:21] <moetunes> it will list the dir with each files permissions
[20:21] <JasperNL_Laptop> ye ;) mta_server doesn't have the permissions which mta-server have ;)
[20:21] <JasperNL_Laptop> so i need to do chmod ?
[20:22] <moetunes> JasperNL_Laptop: chmod +x ./mta_server
[20:23] <lighta> chmod or the graphic thing you did for other same thing
[20:23] <JasperNL_Laptop> mta_server has the permisisons now: -rwxr-xr-x
[20:23] <moetunes> run it then
[20:24] <moetunes> I have to go - bye
[20:24] <JasperNL_Laptop> ok
[20:24] <lighta> did it run ?
[20:24] <JasperNL_Laptop> no :<
[20:24] <lighta> no error nothing ?
[20:26] <JasperNL_Laptop> i can't run him in the explorer
[20:31] <lighta> hmm was it an archive or something like that ?
[20:33] <JasperNL_Laptop> o,o
[20:33] <JasperNL_Laptop> no, it was just a direcotry?
[20:33] <lighta> I wondering if it's a real prog or you musn't ./configue or majefile something
[20:35] <JasperNL_Laptop> o.o
[20:35] <JasperNL_Laptop> can i send it to you?
[20:36] <lighta> hmm ok
[20:36] <JasperNL_Laptop> where can i host him?
[20:37] <lighta> right click on my name and use send a file
[20:38] <JasperNL_Laptop> wow o,o i didn't know that that can in IRCo,o
[20:43] <JasperNL_Laptop> owh:<
[20:48] <JasperNL_Laptop> VODAFONE /O_O
[20:50] <lighta> I don't received anything JasperNL_Laptop
[20:51] <JasperNL_Laptop> i know o.o anything with  connection timed out
[20:51] <JasperNL_Laptop> maybe now?
[20:52] <lighta> check pm
[23:51] <jimisrvrox> hey guys im trying to dual boot xubuntu and xp for a friend of mine and im in Gparted but the whole disk is flagged as boot and so im trying to part it in half to install xubuntu...'
[23:51] <jimisrvrox> and so its not allowing me to resize the partition
[23:52] <Sysi> did you defrag xp?
[23:53] <Sysi> \that partition
[23:53] <jimisrvrox> no I havent defraged xp
[23:53] <jimisrvrox> are you saying that I should resize the partition in XP first
[23:54] <jimisrvrox> I was thinking about that I had seen some instructions that you had to do that first or something like that
[23:54] <Sysi> i say that you can't shrink "full" partition
[23:55] <Sysi> or does it give some error message?
[23:55] <jimisrvrox> right its not allowing me to srink it
[23:55] <jimisrvrox> shrink*
[23:56] <jimisrvrox> what if I took the boot flag off of it could I resize it then?
[23:58] <jimisrvrox> also Sysi im getting that 46 clusters are referenced multiple times and saying to run chkdsk /f on windows